Number 9, Number 9, Number 9. . .

[8749]

I was going to hold off on this until I finished the book, but Charles Godfrey was a Gypsiologist who wrote a book in the 1890's called, Gypsy Sorcery and Fortune Telling. Illustrated by Incantations, Specimens of Medical Magic, Anecdotes and Tales. Just glancing through it, I have found SIXTEEN references to the number 9 (and multiples, i.e., 99) being used in Gypsy magic. The post-1966 Beatle love of the number 9 is Gypsy-inspired.

[iameye]

Desmond has a barrow in the marketplace.

[8749]

I've finished the Gypsy Sorcery book and I found seventeen instances of the number 9 used in incantations, fetishes, and other magic rituals. The interesting thing is that possibly all of the spells, charms, etc. originate with Eastern European gypsies. The countries mentioned specifically are Bosnia, Hungary, and Romania. Sooo, I'M thinking that Faul had a close Eastern European relative.

[8749]

I mentioned the book, Gypsy Magic A Romany Book of Spells, Charms and Fortune-Telling in the "Faul is Brown" thread. I found four more instances of the number 9 used in spells; a lay-out for tarot card reading [the simple nine-card Gypsy oracle];and for making a wish.

[JS2]

May 11, 2009 8:32:03 GMT -5 iameye said:

Desmond has a barrow in the marketplace.

Win.

[GN]

Jun 2, 2009 15:06:28 GMT -5 @8749 said:

I mentioned the book, Gypsy Magic A Romany Book of Spells, Charms and Fortune-Telling in the "Faul is Brown" thread. I found four more instances of the number 9 used in spells; a lay-out for tarot card reading [the simple nine-card Gypsy oracle];and for making a wish.

[8749]

In the book, The Gypsies by J.P. Clebert, I found some more instances of the number 9 being used by the Gypsies, this time Romanian (Transylvanian) demonology. It's an extremely bizarre tale but the summary is: The queen of the Good Fairies, Ana, married the king of the demon people. She had 9 demons by him, which coincide with human illnesses, i.e., the demons can cause these illnesses. The second demon was born 9 days after the king gave Ana a love-potion. And because the king was so frightened by the demons he and Ana produced, he gave her her freedom, on condition that every woman of the Good Fairies would, on reaching the age of 999 be delivered to his demon people. BTW, the second demon's name is Lilyi the Viscous and her body was that of a fish with a man's head, and on each side of the head hung 9 hairs of beard or sticky filaments.

[jilly]

I dont understand why u are attrubiting the number 9 to Paul.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_9

Revolution 9" is a recorded composition that appeared on The Beatles' 1968 self-titled LP release.
The work is credited to Lennon/McCartney, but Paul McCartney did not actively participate in the track's creation. In actuality, "Revolution 9" was primarily the work of John Lennon, George Harrison and Ringo Starr, although Yoko Ono made small contributions (and, perhaps more importantly, her avant-garde influence on Lennon's compositional style is clear throughout the work.)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_9_Dream

"#9 Dream" is a song written and performed by John Lennon
It continues Lennon's fascination with the number nine (he was born on October 9, and, coincidentally, the track also peaked at number nine in the U.S. charts when it was released).

www.geocities.com/SoHo/Veranda/4009/no9.html

But the number 9, though, was very important in his life. The following is an excerpt of Ray Coleman's "John Lennon--The definitive biography" a great book on John Lennon:

"John was acutely aware of the fact that the number nine had dominated his life. He was born on Octover 9, 1940. Sean [Lennon's second son] was born on October 9, 1975. Brian Epstein first saw John and the Beatles at Liverpool Cavern on November 9, 1961, and he secured their recording contract with EMI in London on May 9, 1962. The debut record Love me do, was on Parlophone r4949.

John met Yoko Ono on November 9, 1966. John and Yoko's apartment was located on West 72 streeet, New York City (seven plus two making nine) , and their main Dakota apartment number was also, at first 72. The bus he traveled on as a student each morning from his home to the Liverpool Art college had been the 72. John's songs included "Revolution #9", "#9 dream" and "one after 909" which he had written at his mother's home at 9 Newcastle(nine letters) Road, Wavertree (nine letters), Liverpool(nine letters). "

so i dont understand why u keep saying the number 9 is about Paul?

[8749]

Faul identifies himself as a Gypsy with the reference I found in Barry Miles' biography of him (that Faul was scrap collecting door-to-door when he was a kid: that's Anglo-Romany work) and also the reproduction of the sign-in sheet in The Making of the Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour book where Faul says his nationality is "brown", which is something of a code word for being Romany. I've read several books where the authors are hinting at Faul's Gypsy background by talking about his "Gypsy, hippy life" and that the Wings caravan touring around England in the early 1970's "had a Gypsy feel to it."
As for John and the number 9, I can find dates that would prove that John had an affinity to the number 4 or 2 or whatever: the Beatles' collective life was very involved and so was John's separately. My guess is that because I believe real John was replaced in 1966 (I think he cashed in and stepped out), the replacement and Paul's replacement sort of clung to each other for awhile and reflected each other's background in songs and actions. Remember, John bought a Gypsy caravan and had it shipped to an island he bought. He also--and I don't know if this has been mentioned before--contributed a 32ft. caravan school for gypsy children that was used on a caravan site at Caddington, near Luton, Bedfordshire. I found that in a December 1, 1969 London Times article. So I think this was a nod to his Gypsy bandmate--unless, of course, fake John had a Romany background, too.

[8749]

Wings performed at the Empire Pool Wembley on October 21, 1976. Faul commented, "I still love touring and will still be doing it when I'm 99."

[JS2]

Nine: A common number, like the other 9 (see?) numbers we all know so well.

JS2

P.s. 874 WHAAAAA!?!?!?! Are you Macca?

[Jude]

Sept 10, 2009 9:01:30 GMT -5 JS2 said:

Nine: A common number, like the other 9 (see?) numbers we all know so well.

JS2

P.s. 874 WHAAAAA!?!?!?! Are you Macca?

It all makes sense now! SHE was the gypsy all along!

[8749]

When you hear people talking about getting old, the common number mentioned (the milestone) is 100, not 99. Have you ever heard the slang expression, "The first hundred years are the hardest?"

I could change my screen name to 4148: www.cfa.harvard.edu/iau/special/rocknroll/0004148.html

The added feature there is that 7 years is the age difference between real Paul and replacement Paul, although I don't think the discoverer knew that.

[B]

I think somebody already used the 4148 screen name. If not here, on one of these PID/PWR boards.

[8749]

Sept 10, 2009 17:02:43 GMT -5 B said:

I think somebody already used the 4148 screen name. If not here, on one of these PID/PWR boards.

How about Ms. 4148?

[B]

That one is still available. ;D

[puzzled]

If anyone is interested in reading the Gypsy Sorcery book, I found a link:

www.sacred-texts.com/pag/gsft/index.htm

[B]

Shown in the source puzzled cited:

Encampment of Gypsies with Caravans, by Van Gogh [1888]


(and the name and author of the book: )
Gypsy Sorcery and Fortune Telling
by Charles Godfrey Leland[/b]
[1891]

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That's interesting. There's a fellow who calls himself Jeff Leland who posts at tafultong's blog,
who apparently claims he is John Lennon re-incarnated.

It is also interesting to me because I have been trying to get what the link is of Don McLean's
"Starry Starry Night" song with the PID mystery, as I have suspected "Vincent" is, in fact,
an indirect tribute to Paul, whose life may have paralleled Vincent Van Gogh's. *

I think you have connected the dots somewhat, puzzled.
Thank you!



As for this:

" Leland gives some generalized methods of fortune-telling... as well as the details of
the 'Great Secret', a magic trick in which all of your money disappears..."

Oh, I know that secret all too well!

* Another song which strikes me as being in that vein is (don't laugh! )

Ode to Billie Joe


Billie Joe McAllister ( "Bill-y" Joe MC ALEISTER)

Laugh if you must, but when there is now a rock group called "the Black Eyed Peas",
I mean - all the young dudes are carrying the news!

Other strangeness:
bobbiegentry.com/Song/141679/Stranger%20to%20Himself.html

"Ode to Billie Joe" was the fourth most popular song in the United States in 1967.
...she was raised in poverty by her mother, on her grandparents' farm in Chickasaw County, Mississippi.
After her grandmother traded one of the family's milk cows for a neighbor's piano, seven-year-old
Bobbie composed her first song, "My Dog Sergeant Is a Good Dog".
At 13, she moved to Arcadia, California to live with her mother, Ruby Bullington Streeter.
She had a half sister Rosemary in Vancouver,Canada.
The single sold over three million copies. The Rolling Stone listed it among the 500 Greatest
Songs of All Time in 2001.
The LP replaced Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band at the top of U.S. charts.
It also reached #5 of the Billboard Black Albums charts. Bobbie Gentry won three Grammy Awards
in 1967, including Best New Artist and Best Female Pop Vocal Performance." (edited)

[8749]

Another 9 reference: In the 1980 Faul McCartney interview that JoJo has in his shoebox, Faul is talking about how he created the Sgt. Pepper band and that is was supposed to be another group that wasn't the Beatles. He said, "It was just a nice little NINE walk to get you to see the album." I have searched high and low in slang books and on the internet trying to find that expression with no result. Has anyone heard that slang expression?

[puzzled]

I too searched for "nine walk" and didn't come up with anything. I've emailed a friend who teaches English in France if he's heard of it before. He grew up in Scotland as well, so maybe he's come across it before.

Puzzled.

[knowthe411]

In the My Love video...
1) What's with the smoke?
2) What's the retarded dance Linda does in the middle?
3) What's the meaning of "Only my love holds the other key to me"?