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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 8:21:31 GMT -5
Is "the tower" right next to an apple? After all, they're both associated with the fall of man, and Allegro associated the apple/tree of knowledge with the Amanita Muscaria. here's a closer look Penny
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jun 15, 2009 10:08:21 GMT -5
Is "the tower" right next to an apple? After all, they're both associated with the fall of man, and Allegro associated the apple/tree of knowledge with the Amanita Muscaria. here's a closer look Penny Thanks iameye. Even this big and this clear, it's still nearly impossible to tell what's at the bottom of that image. Is it one person? Is it two people? Is it any people at all? In my mind, there are too many similarities to the Tower card for it to be a coincidence. I just wish that it was CLEARER.
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Post by skyward on Jun 15, 2009 10:29:45 GMT -5
here's a closer look Penny It is difficult to discern, but at times I think I'm seeing a dachsund (or other breed of dog) holding a small radio with an antenna. There is the circular black splotch that would be the tip of its nose and then the big floppy ears. Getting back to the guy who is assumed to be Crowley, the Beast in the Temple with the RAOB, could that be Gurdjieff ?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jun 15, 2009 10:55:10 GMT -5
here's a closer look Penny It is difficult to discern, but at times I think I'm seeing a dachsund (or other breed of dog) holding a small radio with an antenna. There is the circular black splotch that would be the tip of its nose and then the big floppy ears. Getting back to the guy who is assumed to be Crowley, the Beast in the Temple with the RAOB, could that be Gurdjieff ? It's interesting that they chose to obscure the area that would have shown Gurdjieff's moustache. I can't find any connection between Gurdjieff and the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes, however, and the Pepper sleeve is very specific about this.
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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 11:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 15, 2009 11:22:37 GMT -5
Getting back to the guy who is assumed to be Crowley, the Beast in the Temple with the RAOB, could that be Gurdjieff ? It could be just about any bald guy with pointy ears and bushy eyebrows. Heck, it could be me if they did it over again today. -j
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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 11:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by B on Jun 15, 2009 11:35:26 GMT -5
jarvitronics wrote: "Heck, it could be me if they did it over again today."
Uh, jarv, I hate to tell you this.....
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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 11:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 12:07:49 GMT -5
"It was an idea I had, I think when I was flying from L.A. to somewhere. I thought it would be nice to lose our identities, to submerge ourselves in the persona of a fake group. We would make up all the culture around it and collect all our heroes in one place. So I thought a stupid-sounding name for a Dr. Hook's Medicine Show and Traveling Circus kind of thing would be 'Sgt. Pepper's Loneley Hearts Club Band'. Just a word game, really."At the very least, we can see the parallel of our similar situation. also the term used for the alternate name, Dr Hook's Medicine Show and Traveling Circus is pretty self-explanatory........
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 15, 2009 13:14:20 GMT -5
"It was an idea I had, I think when I was flying from L.A. to somewhere. I thought it would be nice to lose our identities, to submerge ourselves in the persona of a fake group. We would make up all the culture around it and collect all our heroes in one place. So I thought a stupid-sounding name for a Dr. Hook's Medicine Show and Traveling Circus kind of thing would be 'Sgt. Pepper's Loneley Hearts Club Band'. Just a word game, really."At the very least, we can see the parallel of our similar situation. Are you referring to the way internet people adopt mysterious online personae and sock puppets? Or did you mean something else? My interpretation, and thus my understanding, is not always clear. -j
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 15, 2009 13:27:49 GMT -5
Hmm... right now I struggle to get on board with all the mystic stuff. I can see links etc. but none of it rings true with PID/PWR, It may in some kind of way work with the whole Beatle phenomena but I honestly think that these days we are so far removed from "our" original quest and there is too much sensationalist stuff and no serious investigation anymore. I'm genuinely concerned that by exploring these avenues so deeply we are killing off the whole purpose of the forum. You hit the nail on the head plastic paul.
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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 14:53:03 GMT -5
"It was an idea I had, I think when I was flying from L.A. to somewhere. I thought it would be nice to lose our identities, to submerge ourselves in the persona of a fake group. We would make up all the culture around it and collect all our heroes in one place. So I thought a stupid-sounding name for a Dr. Hook's Medicine Show and Traveling Circus kind of thing would be 'Sgt. Pepper's Loneley Hearts Club Band'. Just a word game, really."At the very least, we can see the parallel of our similar situation. Are you referring to the way internet people adopt mysterious online personae and sock puppets? Or did you mean something else? My interpretation, and thus my understanding, is not always clear. -j No, I wasn't talking about internet sock puppets. I'm refering mainly to this line: " We would make up all the culture around it and collect all our heroes in one place"
Paralleling what we also, collectively and individually, right here, have done with our resouces and imaginations. Based, ok jarve, on the efforts of four-sock-tops / -puppets- in - satin- suits.
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Post by B on Jun 15, 2009 15:54:16 GMT -5
Plastic Paul wrote: "Hmm... right now I struggle to get on board with all the mystic stuff. I can see links etc. but none of it rings true with PID/PWR. It may in some kind of way work with the whole Beatle phenomena but I honestly think that these days we are so far removed from "our" original quest and there is too much sensationalist stuff and no serious investigation anymore. I'm genuinely concerned that by exploring these avenues so deeply we are killing off the whole purpose of the forum."
Dark Horse wrote: "You hit the nail on the head plastic paul."
All right. "'our' original quest" as defined on the front page of this forum is: "The purpose of this forum is to discuss the idea that Paul McCartney was replaced some time in late 1966. Why was he replaced? The most likely answer is that the original Paul McCartney is dead, but some other theories have been presented here. Please feel free to read further!"
Seems we've been doing that, and more, for the last 4 years or so.
If "there is too much sensationalist stuff and no serious investigation anymore", then I say let those who wish to do a 'serious investigation' do so right away! I would think that the folks living in England would be ideally situated to do such an investigation, being closest to the source. A few nights under the moonlight digging around Strawberry Fields ought to do the trick, I should think. If not, interviews with Apple staffers might unearth a few truffles.
Still, nobody played 'mind games' better than Apollo C Vermouth, and A Pinch of Vermouth is no slacker, so if ever there was a thread where "all the mystical stuff" might be likely to show up, this just might be it. Especially since the subject is what is on the cover of Pepper. I mean, when Pinch says, "Let's see if there's something we missed", that's like saying: "Hey! You missed something!", imo.
There is plenty of opportunity for prosaic discussions here about what became of Paul. No one is stopping anyone here from doing that. If anyone posts material that goes 'too deep' for the taste of a reader, the reader can scan the material for anything he/she feels is of value, and if there is nothing, they can move on to something more to their liking.
That having been said, I am of the opinion that what The Beatles produced goes very deep, and it deserves to see the light of day. I endeavor to keep my posts relatively comprehensible to anyone who would read them, but when a message as vast as space and time has been presented by 'the lads', sometimes that is a bit of a challenge. That is about as much as I have to say on the matter.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jun 15, 2009 16:16:09 GMT -5
Hmm... right now I struggle to get on board with all the mystic stuff. I can see links etc. but none of it rings true with PID/PWR, It may in some kind of way work with the whole Beatle phenomena but I honestly think that these days we are so far removed from "our" original quest and there is too much sensationalist stuff and no serious investigation anymore. I'm genuinely concerned that by exploring these avenues so deeply we are killing off the whole purpose of the forum. You hit the nail on the head plastic paul. I disagree, DH and PP. This site is dedicated to the premise that one of the most talented, most recognizable artists in the history of the world was replaced, without 99.8% of the population ever catching on, and no drop in the quantity or quality of the art. If that premise doesn't qualify as "sensationalist stuff", then I really don't know what does. I believe that the world is controlled by a small group of Luciferian elite, and that it has been this way for hundreds, if not thousands of years. I also believe that this Luciferian elite ( Illuminati) have hidden the true history from us in order to cut us off from the power that can be gained from it. Further, they have created many false histories to keep us from ever figuring out their deception. This is how they remain in power. These people are the power-brokers and the secret-keepers in our world. They decide who succeeds and fails, and who lives and dies, and I would imagine that an individual's willingness/unwillingness to keep their secrets is partly the difference between being allowed into the club, or being disposed of. With this in mind, I don't see how we can discuss the PID/PWR story without taking the Luciferian elite into account. Did Paul die in an accidental car crash? Even if this was the case, he needed to be replaced because he was a key cog in the machinery of the Luciferian elite, whether he knew it or not. Was Paul murdered? If so, it was probably because he refused to play ball with this group of Luciferian elite. Is Paul really the grandson of Aleister Crowley, and was he just planted in the Beatles in order to control them from the inside? Did Paul undergo some sort of magickal transformation into a Luciferian? Did he knowingly sell his soul in order to get the keys to the kingdom, or was his identity forcibly stolen by virtue of a some sort of a spiritual death and rebirth as a Luciferian in general, or more specifically as Crowley himself? Is this type of magickal manipulation the sort of power that's been hidden from us all along in order to keep us powerless? We've made numerous connections between the Beatles/Paul and Crowley in several other threads, but most notably in the Magical Crowley Tour thread. I believe that the numerology involved in 9/11 shows that the perpetrators ( Illuminati) were/are followers of the same Luciferian "religion" as Crowley. 9/11 was used as an excuse for for multiple wars, the military encirclement of the "Holy Land", the establishment of a far more fascist regime in the U.S., a rapid acceleration towards a one world currency/government, and possibly Armageddon as we head towards the end of an age. Reminder: 9/ 11/01 9/ 11 is the Egyptian new year. 11 is the number of Illumination. Crowley wrote the Book of the Law in a fit of automatic writing after visiting the EGYPTIAN Pyramids, at the behest of a spirit called Aiwass. Flight 11 led the attack to bring down the giant 11's, that were each 110 storeys high. Flight 77 (supposedly) crashed into the 77' tall penta(gram)gon, that began construction on 9/ 11/41. A collection of Crowley's writing is called Liber 777. Two of the flights ( 11 and 77) used on 9/ 11 were American Airlines planes, and Crowley founded an organization called the Argenteum Astrum, or the AA. AA11 and AA77en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%E2%88%B4A%E2%88%B4Paul or Bill called his group Wings, making him the Winged Beatle. Crowley is on the cover of Pepper AT LEAST once. Derek Taylor is quoted as saying that a young Crowley was supposed to be included on the cover as well, and that the reason they chose not to include it was because he looked TOO MUCH like Paul. The connections are there. I really don't think we're stretching for them. If the current power structure of the world is similar to the way it was in 1980 and 1966 (Luciferian, and slowly building towards control of the entire planet during the end times), then the same people who did 9/11 are the ones who were pulling the strings behind the most influential pop culture phenomenon of all time. So, if the Beatles were/are modern day prophets (as I believe is the case), then it certainly stands to reason that "all the mystic stuff" is well worth looking into. Especially since it seems as if AT LEAST one of them (John for certain, and probably Paul in *some* way) was silenced to prevent him/them from communicating something to us. I really do think that this IS a viable path for us to be investigating. Total respect to you, Darkhorse and Plastic Paul, of course.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 15, 2009 16:35:27 GMT -5
I agree with your premise PL for the most part.
But I think you missed the point pp was trying to make.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jun 15, 2009 17:09:07 GMT -5
I agree with your premise PL for the most part. But I think you missed the point pp was trying to make. PP/DH, I've only been a member here for a year (although it *seems* like a lot longer). How would you define "our original quest", and the "purpose of the forum"?
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 15, 2009 17:57:36 GMT -5
I totally agree that ACV and "heir apparent" APoV are cryptic but not mystic, and I have the upmost respect for everyone on this forum and their right to their individual opinions.
IMO the PWR/PID theory is on the verge of becoming a theological argument like theism vs. atheism, no longer the study of clues in song lyrics, album covers, photos etc to determine whether we believe JPM was replaced, why and how it happened and if they were trying to tell us.
Anyway, I'm glad we're keeping this an adult discussion rather than an jumping straight into a full-blown argument!
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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 18:46:33 GMT -5
I totally agree that ACV and "heir apparent" APoV are cryptic but not mystic, and I have the upmost respect for everyone on this forum and their right to their individual opinions. IMO the PWR/PID theory is on the verge of becoming a theological argument like theism vs. atheism, no longer the study of clues in song lyrics, album covers, photos etc to determine whether we believe JPM was replaced, why and how it happened and if they were trying to tell us. Anyway, I'm glad we're keeping this an adult discussion rather than an jumping straight into a full-blown argument! " no longer the study of clues in song lyrics, album covers, photos etc to determine whether we believe JPM was replaced, why and how it happened and if they were trying to tell us.[/color] & it still is, but we have been around the globe on that one. Not to say that IF something new "sheds light" we wouldn't pay attention. Or contrubite our vast knowledge (LOL) to "the cause"? there is no verge thus far, stay cool, I say. Ha ha. the term "replaced" still has many many different scenerios. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzyIRay1n7s Last Night You Helped Me Through, Took Me To The Lovers Zone. I Saw There, Images Projected On A Wall Of Stone. I Stood Inside Egyptian Temples, I Looked Into Eternal Gardens, Lay On The Shores Of Distant Islands, Listening To The Sea Bird's Song Of Joy.
Oh - I Owe It All To You, You Make Me Happy, Oh - I Owe It All To You.
Late Last Night, We arrived Into Some Exotic Scene. Everywhere, Images Appearing On A Giant Screen. I Stood Inside A Glass Cathedral, I Looked Into The Golden Canyon, Lay By The Lakes Of Holy Water Glistening Like A Diamond In The Light.
Oh - I Owe It All To You, You Make Me Happy, Oh - I Owe It All To You.
Egyptian Temples, Eternal Gardens,
Listening To The Sea Bird's Song Of Joy.
I Owe It All To You.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 15, 2009 20:34:16 GMT -5
" no longer the study of clues in song lyrics, album covers, photos etc to determine whether we believe JPM was replaced, why and how it happened and if they were trying to tell us.[/color] & it still is, but we have been around the globe on that one. Not to say that IF something new "sheds light" we wouldn't pay attention. Or contrubite our vast knowledge (LOL) to "the cause"?[/quote] Oh yes.. We HAVE been around the earth and then some! Everything here and here has some post here or at TKIN attached to it. So, and not to pat myself on the back, but I did some heavy lifting in my day. Some was crap in retrospect and some was not, but the point was to lay out whatever I thought might be relevant to our discussion. Thing is, if you want to revisit "evidence discussing" then it's all here on the forum, just look around. After all these years, it might be a good idea to revive some old threads rather than simply repeat ourselves with no tribute to the discussion that already took place.. Am I wrong? If something new comes up as Iameye says then yes.. But of course it's worth a look. If the goal is to prove a preconceived notion, i.e. that Paul was replaced, then we are handicapped by putting conclusions ahead of a thorough examination of evidence. If on the other hand, the goal is to decode what is actually there, then it seems that an examination of mysticism is unavoidable.Bravo Jarv, yes it's a good idea to put aside preconceptions for sure.. But at this late date it's almost impossible to not have reached a conclusion or two.
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Post by iameye on Jun 15, 2009 20:59:42 GMT -5
" no longer the study of clues in song lyrics, album covers, photos etc to determine whether we believe JPM was replaced, why and how it happened and if they were trying to tell us.[/color] & it still is, but we have been around the globe on that one. Not to say that IF something new "sheds light" we wouldn't pay attention. Or contrubite our vast knowledge (LOL) to "the cause"?[/quote] Oh yes.. We HAVE been around the earth and then some! Everything here and here has some post here or at TKIN attached to it. So, and not to pat myself on the back, but I did some heavy lifting in my day. Some was crap in retrospect and some was not, but the point was to lay out whatever I thought might be relevant to our discussion. Thing is, if you want to revisit "evidence discussing" then it's all here on the forum, just look around. After all these years, it might be a good idea to revive some old threads rather than simply repeat ourselves with no tribute to the discussion that already took place.. Am I wrong? If something new comes up as Iameye says then yes.. But of course it's worth a look. If the goal is to prove a preconceived notion, i.e. that Paul was replaced, then we are handicapped by putting conclusions ahead of a thorough examination of evidence. If on the other hand, the goal is to decode what is actually there, then it seems that an examination of mysticism is unavoidable.Bravo Jarv, yes it's a good idea to put aside preconceptions for sure.. But at this late date it's almost impossible to not have reached a conclusion or two. [/quote] "After all these years, it might be a good idea to revive some old threads rather than simply repeat ourselves with no tribute to the discussion that already took place.. Am I wrong?"
damn straight! point is... most of us remember what's "out there", total recall..... ;D
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Post by someotherguy on Jun 15, 2009 22:11:10 GMT -5
I really think people are just missing the satanic Illuminati connection
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Post by B on Jun 15, 2009 22:12:50 GMT -5
That's because there isn't one.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 15, 2009 22:35:35 GMT -5
That's because there isn't one. Why isn't there?
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Post by Red Lion on Jun 15, 2009 22:44:38 GMT -5
That's because there isn't one.
LOL, right on B.
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