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Post by 8749 on Jul 31, 2009 17:30:06 GMT -5
I was reading The Beatles London and they were describing how Faul "jumped" into the tree in the video. I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I think J/Fohn was describing Paul and not his own life. The video on YouTube shows only Faul in a tree ("No one I think is in my tree"): www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7NoOhnVMac at 0:57-1:57, which asks the question, what was happening to Paul in late '66, early '67? |
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Post by Jude on Aug 1, 2009 6:14:36 GMT -5
1. There is no "Fohn". Speak in evidence not "what ifs", otherwise you'll never prove anything and you'll only manage to look insane.
2. Please explain how "No one I think is in my tree" pertains any more to Paul than it does John, especially considering that the rest of the song is certainly written from John, and not Paul's perspective.
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Post by iameye on Aug 1, 2009 8:05:41 GMT -5
1. There is no "Fohn". Speak in evidence not "what ifs", otherwise you'll never prove anything and you'll only manage to look insane. 2. Please explain how "No one I think is in my tree" pertains any more to Paul than it does John, especially considering that the rest of the song is certainly written from John, and not Paul's perspective. I dunno either, ;D but here's a nice little Zen story: A man was being chased by a tiger up a mountain. He reached the top of the mountain and realised he could flee no more; he therefore decided to jump off the mountain which meant sure death. Falling off the mountain, he felt, was better than being eaten by a tiger. As he began falling he noticed a tree, weak and slender but nevertheless a tree that he could hold on to. He grabbed the branches but soon the tree began to give way. He now realised that death was imminent. Suddenly he noticed a fresh strawberry growing beside the tree. His impulse allowed him to pluck the strawberry. As he ate the strawberry he said to himself, ‘What a wonderful fruit!’ |
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Post by B on Aug 1, 2009 9:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Aug 1, 2009 18:35:59 GMT -5
what, like Lennon would never have heard this teaching? lol B |
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Post by B on Aug 2, 2009 10:47:00 GMT -5
I thought you had invented it.
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 3, 2009 5:47:46 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure John admits that it was about him, because he said that he always felt that he was different to everyone else and was either insane or a genius.
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Post by 8749 on Aug 3, 2009 17:32:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure John admits that it was about him, because he said that he always felt that he was different to everyone else and was either insane or a genius. John (or Fohn) also "admits" that he said "cranberry sauce" not "I buried Paul", so I would take J/Fohn's "admissions" with a grain of salt. |
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Post by 65if2007 on Aug 3, 2009 18:27:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure John admits that it was about him, because he said that he always felt that he was different to everyone else and was either insane or a genius. John (or Fohn) also "admits" that he said "cranberry sauce" not "I buried Paul", so I would take J/Fohn's "admissions" with a grain of salt. There has only been one John Lennon, and he said, "Cranberry sauce". "I buried Paul" is a false clue since it was never verbalized -- at least not in "Strawberry Fields" -- and talk of the other Beatles having been impersonated moves the whole PID/PWR discussion from the sublime to the ridiculous. |
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Post by Jude on Aug 4, 2009 10:30:00 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure John admits that it was about him, because he said that he always felt that he was different to everyone else and was either insane or a genius. John (or Fohn) also "admits" that he said "cranberry sauce" not "I buried Paul", so I would take J/Fohn's "admissions" with a grain of salt. ...you are joking, right? Do you honestly think that he said "I buried Paul"? Can there really be someone so ignorant in this world? Here's a tip: quit wasting your time researching Jimmy Gypsy's genealogy and learn some basic audio analyzing skills such as playing audio at slower speeds or in Out of Phase Stereo. Better yet, do as I have---download the dozens of takes of Strawberry Fields forever (you can also find a few alternate takes on Youtube) available on the internet and hear for yourself what he really said. Quit being so gullible and actually research these clues that you so readily put your trust in. As for me, I find it hard to believe that someone who so easily believes in all the "original" clues (the ones that started in 1969) will "prove...that Replacement Paul has a Romany background.". |
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 4, 2009 12:48:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure John admits that it was about him, because he said that he always felt that he was different to everyone else and was either insane or a genius. John (or Fohn) also "admits" that he said "cranberry sauce" not "I buried Paul", so I would take J/Fohn's "admissions" with a grain of salt. Wow, I am incredibly sorry for my being so very gullible. How does one become so very wise 8749? |
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Post by 8749 on Aug 4, 2009 17:03:23 GMT -5
John (or Fohn) also "admits" that he said "cranberry sauce" not "I buried Paul", so I would take J/Fohn's "admissions" with a grain of salt. Wow, I am incredibly sorry for my being so very gullible. How does one become so very wise 8749? READING! Another example of Fohn's "admitting" something was when he was commenting on the PID rumors in 1969 and he said he would rather talk about his new single Cold Turkey and said: "We've all had cold turkey. Don't believe the rumors about this one either." We know now that the song was about his heroin withdrawal. So the man could be very un-forthcoming when he damn well felt like it. BTW, I listened to the CD version of Strawberry Fields and the comment at the end is CLEARLY "I buried Paul." |
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 4, 2009 17:58:54 GMT -5
Sorry that was supposed to say "How does one become so very sanctimonious 8749?"
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Post by 8749 on Aug 4, 2009 18:26:04 GMT -5
Sorry that was supposed to say "How does one become so very sanctimonious 8749?" READING! |
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 4, 2009 18:32:48 GMT -5
Touche.
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Post by Jude on Aug 4, 2009 19:30:35 GMT -5
BTW, I listened to the CD version of Strawberry Fields and the comment at the end is CLEARLY "I buried Paul." You....you used a CD?! How cutting edge! This settles it then, sorry for every doubting you! By the way dear, do you know I got to be so sanctimonious? By getting off my arse and doing my homework: Takes 1- 4 Take 4 Take 7 Take 7 + Ending of Take 25 Take 11 Demo of Take 26 (Take 26 is the version you hear on your oh-so-infallible CD) www.youtube.co/watch?v=hRhZRIA6rh0Mono Mix of Take 25 Takes 25 and 26 playing simultaneously in their original form (that is to say, before George Martin "remixed" it by splicing together 26 and 7) You state your claims matter-of-factly. You rely on old, disproved theories as "proof" and are naive enough to take for granted what you think you hear in a Beatles CD, not taking into account the fact that it's very easy to find bootlegged Beatles (and the very fact that it's bootlegged sort of makes you think it hasn't been tampered with by people who want to hide the truth, if you know what I mean) recordings, nor even the fact that the Beatles CDs are widely regarded to contain some of the worst mixing and mastering to ever heard in the world of classic rock. You would have been better off listening to the vinyl version for your "definitive proof" that Paul is dead. But you hear John saying "I buried Paul" on a Beatles CD and that's good enough for you. You didn't bother listening to an unmastered version of take 26, nor any of the studio outtakes. You just blindly assume that John, Paul, and everyone else involved lied when they said it was "cranberry sauce", not "I buried Paul". You can't get it through your head John was crazy enough to say something like cranberry sauce, and you think everyone who hears "cranberry sauce" is crazy. I won't even tell you how to slow the audio in Strawberry Fields so you can hear that he is definitely saying cranberry sauce. The threshold of ignorance is one that you need to cross yourself, 8749. BTW, I've CLEARLY proven you wrong. But you know that, so either you'll come up with some cowardly half-answer ("Well you didn't post ALL the takes!") or you wouldn't respond at all (as was the case when I countered the ridiculous notion that 1967 Beatles Christmas record contains solid proof that Paul was born in 1935). |
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 4, 2009 23:18:46 GMT -5
You ought to make a video of the slowed version, so we can hear it clear, Jude. It sounds like it could go either way when I listened to v.7. I didn't listen to the others. Is there something on the other vids I should hear?
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Post by skyward on Aug 4, 2009 23:32:14 GMT -5
Did John Lennon actually say 'Cranberry Sauce', let's say yes.
Does John Lennon saying 'Cranberry Sauce' sound suspiciously like 'I buried Paul', let's say yes.
Do you think anyone in the recording studio might have realized that? Let's say yes.
So, we have one possibility where John Lennon just added that 'throw-away' line on a pure whim. Possible
We have another possibility where that recording was intentionally added to the song to elicit a puzzled reaction for those listening (intently). Possible
Let's not forget, John Lennon said 'all of our messages were subliminal'
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Post by FP on Aug 4, 2009 23:56:41 GMT -5
8749, if there was a Fohn, why is PWR such a big deal? John was a much bigger social icon then Paul.
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Post by Jude on Aug 5, 2009 8:13:22 GMT -5
You ought to make a video of the slowed version, so we can hear it clear, Jude. It sounds like it could go either way when I listened to v.7. I didn't listen to the others. Is there something on the other vids I should hear? I'll whip something up later on if I find the time. |
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Post by MikeNL on Aug 5, 2009 10:07:15 GMT -5
Jude,
when you reverse All Together Now, you hear "I Buried Paul/Cranberry Sauce"
and at the end of Strawberry Fields you can hear "I Buried Paul/Cranberry Sauce"
either way... it's very suspicious that you can basically hear the same wordplay-thing in 2 different songs.
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Post by 8749 on Aug 5, 2009 17:11:22 GMT -5
I listened to the Parlophone Magical Mystery Tour cd. The voice (Fohn's or whoever) says, "I Buried Paul." Also, in the Life magazine article of November 7, 1969, they discuss some of the PID visual clues and then analyze the audio clues: "Deep down in the grooves at the very end of the song Strawberry Fields Forever, on the Magical Mystery Tour album, investigators had discovered a voice eerily like John Lennon's saying, 'I buried Paul.' It was even clearer at 45 rpm." So you can hear it on the 1967 album and the 1989 cd. Period.
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 5, 2009 19:18:54 GMT -5
I'd never call you sanctimonious Jude!
Could you stop bringing up Fohn though please 8749? If this forum was JWR then cool, but as it stands that has no place in general discussion. If there were a thread about it discussing it I would understand but not just for the sake of it, thanks.
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Post by Jude on Aug 6, 2009 7:45:17 GMT -5
You ought to make a video of the slowed version, so we can hear it clear, Jude. Ta-dah! I listened to the Parlophone Magical Mystery Tour cd. The voice (Fohn's or whoever) says, " I Buried Paul." Also, in the Life magazine article of November 7, 1969, they discuss some of the PID visual clues and then analyze the audio clues: "Deep down in the grooves at the very end of the song Strawberry Fields Forever, on the Magical Mystery Tour album, investigators had discovered a voice eerily like John Lennon's saying, 'I buried Paul.' It was even clearer at 45 rpm." So you can hear it on the 1967 album and the 1989 cd. Period. |
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Post by 8749 on Aug 6, 2009 17:32:35 GMT -5
I'd never call you sanctimonious Jude! Could you stop bringing up Fohn though please 8749? If this forum was JWR then cool, but as it stands that has no place in general discussion. If there were a thread about it discussing it I would understand but not just for the sake of it, thanks. I appreciate your being courteous about it, plasticpaul, but John leaving the group in 1966 is germane to the conversation. gfinn (welcome) asked why Faul would take over the group when pre-1966 it was John and Paul who were the driving forces behind the Beatles. The obvious reason is that real John and real Paul were out and Faul moved in to fill the void. And one more contemporary example of people hearing "I buried Paul" in Strawberry Fields: The Massachussetts Institute of Technology student newspaper The Tech published a review of the PID clues in its October 21, 1969 edition. The authors said, "The first vocal clue, and proof that it isn't all coincidence is at the very end of 'Strawberry Fields Forever'. After the horns finish tootling, fading, and tootling again, a weird voice says clearly, 'I buried Paul.' Play it at 45 rpm to get the words clearly; then at 33 rpm the effect is morbid." Later on, the authors were discussing "Revolution Number 9" and explained how to hear the backmasking: "With a little practice this effect can be duplicated by anyone with a tape recorder which allows one to record half-track monophonic and play back the tape in quarter-track mode." The MIT boys knew what they were doing. |
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