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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 8, 2009 16:29:16 GMT -5
I've had it happen to me about 6 or 7 times. Terrible experience, complete terror including presence of an entity. If you have ever experienced it, please share.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 8, 2009 17:10:34 GMT -5
I've had it happen to me about 6 or 7 times. Terrible experience, complete terror including presence of an entity. If you have ever experienced it, please share. I had it twice THIS WEEK, and I've had it about 50 times in my life. It's awful. And horrifying. And disorienting. And did I mention that it's awful? I'll share more later, but I'm off to dinner now.
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Post by jarvitronics on Aug 8, 2009 18:35:26 GMT -5
It's been a while, but yeah, many, many times. Buzzing bees, sinking into the bed, feeling pressed down upon. The first time it happened, maybe 30 years ago, I panicked, thinking I was possessed by a demon or some crazy shit like that.
I have learned to relax when it happens, and to "know" that I am okay. If I focus on regulating my breathing, (which seems to be about the only part of my body I can consciously control), then I usually wake up within a few seconds.
-j
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 9, 2009 17:23:28 GMT -5
It's been a while, but yeah, many, many times. Buzzing bees, sinking into the bed, feeling pressed down upon. The first time it happened, maybe 30 years ago, I panicked, thinking I was possessed by a demon or some crazy shit like that. I have learned to relax when it happens, and to "know" that I am okay. If I focus on regulating my breathing, (which seems to be about the only part of my body I can consciously control), then I usually wake up within a few seconds. -j I never thought I was possessed but was in the presence of great evil. Its amazing to me how many people have experienced this and how similar their stories are. Many years I've wondered about it and recently been looking into it the past couple of days after hearing a story on a sports forum of all places. Thanks for sharing -j. PS: I also found a few docus on it:
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Post by skyward on Aug 9, 2009 18:48:52 GMT -5
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Post by Red Lion on Aug 10, 2009 0:20:08 GMT -5
I've had it happen to me about 6 or 7 times. Terrible experience, complete terror including presence of an entity. If you have ever experienced it, please share.
I happen to know a tad about this subject. Your conciousness has moved to the infrared area of the electromagnetic spectrum. So although your mind is awake and aware, your body is asleep and in paralysis. With infrared being the place that ghosts and such hang out, it is very common to feel other entities present while experiencing this state. In nearly all cases, while a bit freaky, no actual harm is done. For me personally, I have a had something run in circles around my bed while I lay frozen.
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Post by jestertor on Aug 10, 2009 2:02:59 GMT -5
I take it that you good people know about lucid dreaming, so I won't patronise you with an explanation. Nightmares are typified as being the lowest grade of lucid dreams. Sleep paralysis nightmares arise from some level of returning conciousness combined with the physical immobility which usually prevents us acting out our internal nocturnal meanderings. The involuntary breathing mechanism is set at a rate which does not allow for deep 'fight or flight' variation - hence the oppressed feeling. Your imagination does (for) the rest.
That dozy DVD advert exploiting a common physiological phenomenon is a good example of marketing the 're-enchantment of the West'.
It's my first post on any such forum, so I've chosen by far the best one. Forgive my English spelling (as I forgive you yours). Being born in 1956, I can perhaps claim to be as old as rock 'n' roll. I know and love the music.
I got seriously ill about seven years ago and decided I needed a new interest as a displacement activity. I chose to go back to vinyl in a big way. I came across a pristine copy of 'More Merseymania' and looked in to its obviously dodgy provenance. I had no idea as to just how many worms could come pouring from one single can.
When I came upon this forum I was impressed with the quality of the input. I have come to admire many of the contributors, including Jarv, Doc, and of course the benign and sagacious JoJo. I hope to contribute in some way to the cause; it has genuine pertinence.
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Post by SS on Aug 10, 2009 2:54:30 GMT -5
Those of you who are frightened and struggle, there is a beautiful solution. Bear with me and next time it happens remember this post. If you relax and let the terror and feeling of death pass, you can will yourself to lift right out of your body.
There is a chemical that keeps you from moving while dreaming as already stated in a previous post. You can not move a muscle and if you struggle it is like the weight of the world against you. You have to turn yourself in your mind. Every thought is an action like it is in the material world. Once you overcome your fears, you will feel bliss beyond your wildest imagination.
Those who have never experienced what is termed "lucid dreaming" and the out of body experience scoff at it entirely. However, there is a lot of literature out there to help you along if you wish to delve into the realms of the unknown and spiritual nature of who you are in reality. You are not your physical body, it is only a container for the soul.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
Disclaimer: Of course this could only be the product of the most powerful hallucinogen known to man, dimethyltryptamine. This is the chemical produced all throughout nature and also the chemical secretion of the pituitary gland in your brain which causes you to dream. The reason science has not come up with a real solution or reason behind schizophrenia is DMT does not decrease upon waking up, therefore causing people to see and hear things that are not reality...or maybe it is, who is to say for sure.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 10, 2009 3:53:06 GMT -5
I take it that you good people know about lucid dreaming, so I won't patronise you with an explanation. Nightmares are typified as being the lowest grade of lucid dreams. Sleep paralysis nightmares arise from some level of returning conciousness combined with the physical immobility which usually prevents us acting out our internal nocturnal meanderings. The involuntary breathing mechanism is set at a rate which does not allow for deep 'fight or flight' variation - hence the oppressed feeling. Your imagination does (for) the rest. That dozy DVD advert exploiting a common physiological phenomenon is a good example of marketing the 're-enchantment of the West'. It's my first post on any such forum, so I've chosen by far the best one. Forgive my English spelling (as I forgive you yours). Being born in 1956, I can perhaps claim to be as old as rock 'n' roll. I know and love the music. I got seriously ill about seven years ago and decided I needed a new interest as a displacement activity. I chose to go back to vinyl in a big way. I came across a pristine copy of 'More Merseymania' and looked in to its obviously dodgy provenance. I had no idea as to just how many worms could come pouring from one single can. When I came upon this forum I was impressed with the quality of the input. I have come to admire many of the contributors, including Jarv, Doc, and of course the benign and sagacious JoJo. I hope to contribute in some way to the cause; it has genuine pertinence. First off, welcome to the forum. Believe me, I've remembered alot of nightmares and none of those imaginations were involved and as terrifying as this. I believe you're wrong about the DVD, it does just the opposite. It explores a phenomenon that many people attest to. The main reason for this thread was for those that have experienced it, to share their story. Speculation isn't useful from one that has not experienced it. Its easy to get the information you regurgitate from the scientific world off the Internet . So again, if you have experienced it, please share.
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Post by jestertor on Aug 10, 2009 4:07:06 GMT -5
Dear fauLLIBle
I have experienced the phenomenon and can testify to its unpleasantness. I believe it to be important to discriminate between what is out there and what is within; what is quintessential is the interaction between these domains. This manifestation is far too close to call, and stretches even my considerable elasticity of credulity.
To suggest I am merely regurgitating stuff from the Internet is both grossly inaccurate and somewhat patronising; I only looked inside my own head for the comments; fortunately, my memory is not almost full.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 10, 2009 4:08:29 GMT -5
Those of you who are frightened and struggle, there is a beautiful solution. Bare with me and next time it happens remember this post. If you relax and let the terror and feeling of death pass, you can will yourself to lift right out of your body. There is a chemical that keeps you from moving while dreaming as already stated in a previous post. You can not move a muscle and if you struggle it is like the weight of the world against you. You have to turn yourself in your mind. Every thought is an action like it is in the material world. Once you overcome your fears, you will feel bliss beyond your wildest imagination. Those who have never experienced what is termed "lucid dreaming" and the out of body experience scoff at it entirely. However, there is a lot of literature out there to help you along if you wish to delve into the realms of the unknown and spiritual nature of who you are in reality. You are not your physical body, it is only a container for the soul. Now, back to your regularly scheduled program. Disclaimer: Of course this could only be the product of the most powerful hallucinogen known to man, dimethyltryptamine. This is the chemical produced all throughout nature and also the chemical secretion of the pituitary gland in your brain which causes you to dream. The reason science has not come up with a real solution or reason behind schizophrenia is DMT does not decrease upon waking up, therefore causing people to see and hear things that are not reality...or maybe it is, who is to say for sure. I actually experienced astral projection during sleep paralysis, but it was not willingly. I once again came under a supernatural assault. As described in the above videos there were shadowy figures pulling me from my body off to someplace I didn't know but I sure as hell didn't want to go. Thank God I made it back!
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Post by FP on Aug 10, 2009 4:11:50 GMT -5
Thank God I made it back! Well, remember whenever that's happening, you'll always make it back!
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 10, 2009 4:17:39 GMT -5
Dear fauLLIBle I have experienced the phenomenon and can testify to its unpleasantness. I believe it to be important to discriminate between what is out there and what is within, and the interaction between these domains. To suggest I am merely regurgitating stuff from the Internet is both grossly inaccurate and somewhat patronising; I only looked inside my own head for the comments; fortunately, my memory is not almost full. Lying there paralyzed is bod enough, I'm sorry you've experienced that. Some of us though, have experienced something else. Something I couldn't dream up in my wildest nightmares. The common theme of an evil presence, the hag, and the shadowy figure can't be so easily explained away. I do not think these people are all lying, I've seen it for myself.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 10, 2009 4:19:45 GMT -5
Thank God I made it back! Well, remember whenever that's happening, you'll always make it back! Thank you
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 10, 2009 8:16:37 GMT -5
I've never seen Hat Man, the Hag, or the shadow people. My experiences always involve an unexplainable awareness of some unseen dark force on my chest (it only happens when I sleep on my back, which I don't do very often). I know that the force is malevolent in the same way that you just *know* things in your dreams. I always end up trying to reach for my girlfriend, and trying to call out to her, but I'm always unable. She has never been aware when this has been going on. The thing about this that wiggs me out the most is that I believe that our "reality" only exists inside of our heads as our brains interpret data input and project it onto the screen of our mind. This is why dreams *feel* like reality; because it's the exact same mechanism at work. So, the question then becomes, where are these input data coming from that are causing the sleep paralysis? I tend to think that Red Lion is on the right track with his explanation: "Your conciousness has moved to the infrared area of the electromagnetic spectrum. So although your mind is awake and aware, your body is asleep and in paralysis. With infrared being the place that ghosts and such hang out, it is very common to feel other entities present while experiencing this state." In any event, I've had it happen to me at least 50 times, and it's never caused me any harm, beyond hours of lost sleep upon waking in a state of freaked-outness. Great thread, fauLLIBle!
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Post by jestertor on Aug 10, 2009 9:22:50 GMT -5
I can't give you the links, I am a book lover, but if you check out someone like Ouspensky on the power and potential of hypnogogic and hypnopompic imagery, and then perhaps tie it in with aspects of the 'collective unconciousness', then you might consider other explanations.
FauLLIBle, I have indeed experienced the true horror of these situations (the archetypical imagery, the old chill call of the chthonic) and I don't wish to denigrate other peoples' perceptions. But, as I intimated previously, I believe it to be important to distinguish between the wheat of genuine paranormal intervention and the chaff of mutual titillation.
I offer up something I hope not to be too irrelevant, sludged up from somewhere within the wobbly wetware rather than the Great Machine. Narcoleptic patients in the early part of the twentieth century (when studies were admittedly in their infancy) reported common hallucinations whereby the paralysed sufferers were beset by little green men mantling about over their bodies. I cannot pin down the date it all changed (you'll be relieved to hear that I haven't tried), but I suspect Roswell might have had something to do with it. Anyway, apparently, these days the patients still report similar disturbing visitations but the little green men are now to be found all sporting silver suits. And I am not taking the piss. Morphic resonance? Mental dissonance? I dunno; but maybe there's nothing to get Jung about.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 10, 2009 9:47:14 GMT -5
I take it that you good people know about lucid dreaming, so I won't patronise you with an explanation. Nightmares are typified as being the lowest grade of lucid dreams. Sleep paralysis nightmares arise from some level of returning conciousness combined with the physical immobility which usually prevents us acting out our internal nocturnal meanderings. The involuntary breathing mechanism is set at a rate which does not allow for deep 'fight or flight' variation - hence the oppressed feeling. Your imagination does (for) the rest. That dozy DVD advert exploiting a common physiological phenomenon is a good example of marketing the 're-enchantment of the West'. It's my first post on any such forum, so I've chosen by far the best one. Forgive my English spelling (as I forgive you yours). Being born in 1956, I can perhaps claim to be as old as rock 'n' roll. I know and love the music. I got seriously ill about seven years ago and decided I needed a new interest as a displacement activity. I chose to go back to vinyl in a big way. I came across a pristine copy of 'More Merseymania' and looked in to its obviously dodgy provenance. I had no idea as to just how many worms could come pouring from one single can. When I came upon this forum I was impressed with the quality of the input. I have come to admire many of the contributors, including Jarv, Doc, and of course the benign and sagacious JoJo. I hope to contribute in some way to the cause; it has genuine pertinence. Welcome to NIR, jestertor!
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Post by SS on Aug 10, 2009 11:48:12 GMT -5
When out of body I have encountered the shadow or what appear as human shadows of complete darkness with no discernible features whatsoever. The only thing I can relate it to is "Death" as depicted in movies and television. There were other human-like creatures who would not meet what is perceived as eye contact. Out of the body, we are only pure energy, a ball of light as it were. The feeling of having a body and limbs can eventually go away once you realize you are not in this physical world.
My experiences have all been positive although I have heard the nightmares of creatures and hellish trips from other people. I had no fear and knew instantly I could not be harmed by anything in the spirit world. A feeling of what can only be described as pure love washing waves of joy throughout me and this emotion never decreased in intensity. All creatures and shadow forms seemed to recognize and respect me and my feeling was one of invincibility. Flying through the gateways of the stars was incredible. I would describe it as driving along a highway with the stars as street lights and a built-in sense of direction.
The reason some people may have bad experiences could be because you allow the darkness to control you. There could be more sinister reasons for this threatening experience, as you can see, you are not harmed and can not be harmed unless you allow it in your own consciousness. Remember, every thought becomes your perception of reality in the spirit world. You have the power to control your emotions and possibly these ominous spirits feed off fear. You deprive them of your energy, they'll go away. It is like the line to an old song, relax and float downstream. If you by chance never happen to be slammed back into your body, you will most likely be dead. Try a positive approach if possible next time and choose to encounter heaven, it is only a state of mind.
I enjoy this discussion and would like to hear more experiences of those who have had OBE or night terrors. It is quite strange to be mentally awake while paralyzed. It is a feeling of sinking and a fear of dying, as if something is coming to take you. The roar gets louder as the fear grows. Overcoming your fear is strictly a decision within you.
Having said all of that, the experience could possibly be just the electrical and chemical changes in the brain and we create our own scenarios. This is why some people call it a lucid dream and other people think of it as an OBE and spiritual awakening. It can be a glorious gift and I suppose one's worst terrifying nightmare. It is certainly not boring and creates excitement for wherever your experience leads you.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 10, 2009 13:41:35 GMT -5
I can't give you the links, I am a book lover, but if you check out someone like Ouspensky on the power and potential of hypnogogic and hypnopompic imagery, and then perhaps tie it in with aspects of the 'collective unconciousness', then you might consider other explanations. Thanks anyways I already have.FauLLIBle, I have indeed experienced the true horror of these situations (the archetypical imagery, the old chill call of the chthonic) who said anything about that? and I don't wish to denigrate other peoples' perceptions. But, as I intimated previously, I believe it to be important to distinguish between the wheat of genuine paranormal intervention and the chaff of mutual titillation. Don't over think yourself, its like a philosopher that forgot to live his life. Again with the useless speculation.I offer up something I hope not to be too irrelevant, sludged up from somewhere within the wobbly wetware rather than the Great Machine. ha aha that was a funny sentence Narcoleptic patients in the early part of the twentieth century (when studies were admittedly in their infancy) reported common hallucinations whereby the paralysed sufferers were beset by little green men mantling about over their bodies. I cannot pin down the date it all changed (you'll be relieved to hear that I haven't tried), but I suspect Roswell might have had something to do with it. Anyway, apparently, these days the patients still report similar disturbing visitations but the little green men are now to be found all sporting silver suits. And I am not taking the piss. Morphic resonance? Mental dissonance? I dunno; but maybe there's nothing to get Jung about. I have no idea what your last 5 or 6 sentences are getting at. Believe me, I read them and I get it, but it goes nowhere and its scrambled
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Post by jestertor on Aug 10, 2009 15:53:08 GMT -5
Hmm... Guv'nor, you seem to have both ontological and grammatical problems. Is it worth it? Surely there are more fertile fields to joust over?
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 10, 2009 16:18:59 GMT -5
Hmm... Guv'nor, you seem to have both ontological and grammatical problems. Is it worth it? Surely there are more fertile fields to joust over? Yes I do have a problem with your ontological and grammatical problems. I mean c'mon, do you really talk in that matter in person? Even if you spoke to the top minds at Harvard in such a manner they would tell you to turn it down a notch, sport. It's obvious you are very anxious to impress, but its come to the point where your posts begin to lead to nowhere. I'm sure glad you threw that little tidbit about the silver suits though, very informative, helpful, and interesting as well. Nice job, Carry on.
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Post by FAUllibLE on Aug 10, 2009 18:57:46 GMT -5
I appogize for being a little snappy, I didn't sleep to well last night. I just wasn't really interested in hearing information that comes from those involved in the occult, like Jung, Ouspensky, or Sheldrake.
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