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Post by JoJo on Nov 21, 2009 23:58:06 GMT -5
Some must have heard about this by now, apparently a global warming research institute's emails and documents were posted on the internet and places to download the enclosing zip file have multiplied exponentially.. Hundreds of private e-mail messages and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change.
The e-mail messages, attributed to prominent American and British climate researchers, include discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released, exchanges about how best to combat the arguments of skeptics, and casual comments — in some cases derisive — about specific people known for their skeptical views. Drafts of scientific papers and a photo collage that portrays climate skeptics on an ice floe were also among the hacked data, some of which dates back 13 years.
In one e-mail exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical “trick” in a chart illustrating a recent sharp warming trend. In another, a scientist refers to climate skeptics as “idiots.”... More at: www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=hacked&st=cseGood discussion: tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=118625 And: tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=118702Just my 2 cents, but from reading this emails, the concern amongst this group seems to be far more about keeping the "skeptics" at bay, for example talking about ways of stonewalling freedom of information requests than about discussing the science they are supposed to researching. |
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 22, 2009 11:15:11 GMT -5
I just read this ABC story, and WOW -- they're REALLY in spin control mode: Opening paragraph: "Computer hackers have broken into a server at a well-respected climate change research center in Britain and posted hundreds of private e-mails and documents online — stoking debate over whether some scientists have overstated the case for man-made climate change." So, it seems as if a bunch of criminals have stolen the private property of well-respected people. "The university said police are investigating the theft of the information" Well, what else are you gonna do when criminals steal your private property? Nice. Then... "Jones wrote that, in compiling new data, he had "just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline," according to a leaked e-mail, which the author confirmed was genuine."
The use of the word "trick" by Jones has been seized on by skeptics — who say his e-mail offers proof of collusion between scientists to distort evidence to support their assertion that human activity is influencing climate change."
However, Jones denied manipulating evidence and insisted his comment had been taken out of context. "The word 'trick' was used here colloquially, as in a clever thing to do. It is ludicrous to suggest that it refers to anything untoward," he said in a statement Saturday." Oh, well thank freaking Christ for that! For a minute there, I was thinking that the phrase " to hide the decline" was the smoking gun, due to the fact that the global temps are, you know...supposed to be RISING and all, but now I know that I should have been focusing on the word " trick" instead, and that's just a "colloquial" scientific term. So clever, those scientists. Forgive my ignorance, and commence taxing me into oblivion. abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9145220 |
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Post by JoJo on Nov 22, 2009 22:00:34 GMT -5
Al Gore warned us you know...
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Post by B on Nov 22, 2009 22:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 22, 2009 22:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 25, 2009 14:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by MikeNL on Nov 26, 2009 10:45:16 GMT -5
i'm so exited about this  thank you hackers  |
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Post by JoJo on Nov 26, 2009 11:29:55 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 26, 2009 19:30:35 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 26, 2009 19:32:09 GMT -5
We Are Change Colorado @ Al Gore Book Signing - Activist Rips Up Al's Book in Front of His Face.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 27, 2009 10:35:31 GMT -5
'Cap and Trade Is Dead'"So declares Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe, taking a few minutes away from a Thanksgiving retreat with his family. "Ninety-five percent of the nails were in the coffin prior to this week. Now they are all in." If any politician might be qualified to offer last rites, it would be Mr. Inhofe. The top Republican on the Environment and Public Works Committee has spent the past decade in the thick of Washington's climate fight. He's seen the back of three cap-and-trade bills, rode herd on an overweening Environmental Protection Agency, and steadfastly insisted that global researchers were "cooking" the science behind man-made global warming. This week he's looking prescient. The more than 3,000 emails and documents from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU) that have found their way to the Internet have blown the lid off the "science" of manmade global warming. CRU is a nerve center for many of those researchers who have authored the United Nations' global warming reports and fueled the political movement to regulate carbon. Their correspondence show a claque of scientists massaging data to make it fit their theories, squelching scientists who disagreed, punishing academic journals that didn't toe the apocalyptic line, and hiding their work from public view. "It's no use pretending that this isn't a major blow," glumly wrote George Monbiot, a U.K. writer who has been among the fiercest warming alarmists. The documents "could scarcely be more damaging." And that's from a believer. " Full article: online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574558070997168360.html
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Post by 65if2007 on Nov 29, 2009 14:38:42 GMT -5
We Are Change Colorado @ Al Gore Book Signing - Activist Rips Up Al's Book in Front of His Face. Yee haw! Thank God for the Internet that he, ironically enough, "invented". I note that the Climategate scandal is exclusively being covered by a number of Internet pages and blogs and not at all by the mainstream media, other than the Wall Street Journal. "Global warming" or "climate change" or whatever the term of art is nowadays is an invention of a few elite scientists aided and abetted by whores in government and media and academia -- and that makes me more receptive to conspiracy theories as a whole. |
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 29, 2009 16:00:00 GMT -5
We Are Change Colorado @ Al Gore Book Signing - Activist Rips Up Al's Book in Front of His Face. Yee haw! Thank God for the Internet that he, ironically enough, "invented". I note that the Climategate scandal is exclusively being covered by a number of Internet pages and blogs and not at all by the mainstream media, other than the Wall Street Journal. "Global warming" or "climate change" or whatever the term of art is nowadays is an invention of a few elite scientists aided and abetted by whores in government and media and academia -- and that makes me more receptive to conspiracy theories as a whole. I share your sentiments, 65if2007, but I'm afraid that we really need to push the hell out of this, or it will just be swept under the rug and forgotten. I don't know about your area, but this revelation isn't budging any of the self-proclaimed "liberals" and "progressives" who I know. The Assholes That Be have done such a great job of mind-fucking us into two waring factions on EVERYTHING that the left won't even pay attention to this scandal, as they've been programmed to see any viewpoint that veers from Al Gore's perspective as right wing propaganda, paid for by oil companies. They'd never, EVER stop to think that perhaps the cap and trade will CRUSH the oil company's biggest competitor; the COAL companies. So yes, this is GREAT news, but only if we can convince 50% of the population to NOT ignore it. |
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Post by JoJo on Dec 5, 2009 11:58:03 GMT -5
Another good video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF31ImEozbAYou make a good point P(D)enny, one thing to do is visit the pages of MSM web articles and if they have a comments section, hit it hard.. Needless to say, almost all MSM stories are written to defend the AGW "scientists", and hah the comments are often 100-1 slamming the lame articles. |
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 5, 2009 13:04:06 GMT -5
Another good video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF31ImEozbAYou make a good point P(D)enny, one thing to do is visit the pages of MSM web articles and if they have a comments section, hit it hard.. Needless to say, almost all MSM stories are written to defend the AGW "scientists", and hah the comments are often 100-1 slamming the lame articles. Great vid, JoJo. I've seen a lot of his vids, but hadn't watched this one yet. Thanks for posting it. Here's his channel btw... www.youtube.com/user/Rys2sense |
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 8, 2009 14:02:42 GMT -5
Lord Monckton on Climategate at The 2nd International Climate Conference, Dec. 4, 2009 - 1of4
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 9, 2009 15:00:31 GMT -5
Power4Home System"46-Year-Old Home Energy Expert Discovers The Only Practical Method Of Generating Your Own electricity For Less Than $200 And Finally Reveals Everything, In Easy To Follow, Fully Illustrated Manuals + Step-By-Step Instructional Videos" power-4-homes.com/index1.php?tid=6249127&l=1&s=1
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 12, 2009 22:28:21 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise. Here's the logical end to the "carbon dioxide is bad" myth. They're really not wasting any more time... The Real Inconvenient Truth
The whole world needs to adopt China's one-child policywww.financialpost.com/story.html?id=2314438 |
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Post by B on Dec 14, 2009 9:07:29 GMT -5
British Admit: Copenhagen Is All About Genocide December 13, 2009 (LPAC)—The official British policy for the Copenhagen conference is now out, in explicit language: Massive population genocide, on a scale that would make Adolf Hitler blush. The London School of Economics, the anchor of the Fabian Gordon Brown government, has produced a study for Copenhagen, released by the British organization Optimum Population Trust (OPT), calling for the reduction of world population by between three to five billion people between now and 2050. This flagrant call for mass extermination is based on the argument that the single greatest cause of global warming is over-population, and that the most "cost-effective" cure for global warming is radical population reduction. According to a recent OPT study, the so-called global warming crisis can be solved, most cheaply, by reducing the world population by 500 million between now and 2050. Since linear population projections put world population at well-over 9 billion by that date, the proposal to cut back world population to just over 6 billion people, would mean the elimination of 3 billion people. Indeed, an OPT press release, dated March 16, 2009, titled "Earth Heading for 5 Billion Overpopulation?" reported, "Based on ecological footprint and biolgoical capacity data which have become available over the last decade, OPT estimates the world's sustainable population currently at 5 billion and the U.K.'s at 18 million (the U.K.'s actual current population is 61 million). "However," the release continued, "these figures are predicated on present levels and patterns of consumption. Greener lifestyles in the U.K. could push up its sustainable population; by contrast, if the world as a whole grows richer and consumes more, this will reduce the planet's carrying capacity. If present trends continue, by 2050, when the UN projects world population will be 9.1 billion, there will be an estimated 5 billion more people than the Earth can support." A later OPT report, prepared for Copenhagen, called "Fewer Emitters, Lower Emissions, Less Cost," spelled out London's solution: Place population reduction at the top of the agenda. OPT "called on climate change negotiators to ensure that population restraint policies are adopted by every state worldwide to combat climate change." The UNFPA, the United Nations Population Fund, gave its de facto blessing to this mass murder scheme on Nov. 18, when they featured Optimum Population Trust director Roger Martin, as a presenter of the UN's own "State of World Population 2009" report, a document geared to the now-ongoing Copenhagen conference on global warming. While the UN report, itself, makes the same link between global warming and population growth, it is the OPT study and its "Pop Offsets" program of targeted population reduction in the world's poorest countries, that defines the true London agenda at Copenhagen. It is the agenda spelled out, repeatedly, by the Royal Consort Prince Philip, for decades: Reduce the world population by 80 percent, create a global feudal dictatorship, eliminating the nation-state system altogether. www.larouchepac.com/node/12763 |
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Post by JoJo on Dec 20, 2009 10:51:27 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Jan 29, 2010 23:44:14 GMT -5
In other news, a new tape of Osama Bin Laden has him blaming the US for global warming.. No, this is NOT satire from Theonion.com. From Fox News, and I'm assuming it's being presented as a serious story. Can I get a WTF! www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584249,00.html
CAIRO — Usama bin Laden sought to draw a wider public into his fight against the United States in a new message Friday, dropping his usual talk of religion and holy war and focusing instead on an unexpected topic: global warming.
The Al Qaeda leader blamed the United States and other industrialized nations for climate change and said the only way to prevent disaster was to break the American economy, calling on the world to boycott U.S. goods and stop using the dollar.
"The effects of global warming have touched every continent. Drought and deserts are spreading, while from the other floods and hurricanes unseen before the previous decades have now become frequent," bin Laden said in the audiotape, aired on the Arab TV network Al-Jazeera.
The terror leader noted Washington's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol aimed at reducing greenhouse gases and painted the United States as in the thrall of major corporations that he said "are the true criminals against the global climate" and are to blame for the global economic crisis, driving "tens of millions into poverty and unemployment."
Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders have mentioned global warming and struck an anti-globalization tone in previous tapes and videos. But the latest was the first message by bin Laden solely dedicated to the topic. It was also nearly entirely empty of the Islamic militant rhetoric that usually fills his declarations.
The change in rhetoric aims to give Al Qaeda's message an appeal beyond hardcore Islamic militants, said Evan Kohlmann, of globalterroralert.com, a private, U.S.-based terrorism analysis group.
"It's a bridge issue," Kohlmann said. "They are looking to appeal to people who don't necessarily love Al Qaeda but who are angry at the U.S. and the West, to galvanize them against the West" and make them more receptive to "alternative solutions like adopting violence for the cause."
"If you're looking to draw people who are disenchanted or disillusioned, what better issue to use than global warming," he said. While the focus on climate may be new, the tactic itself is not, he said: Al Qaeda used issues like the abuse of prisoners by U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib in Iraq and the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay to reach out to Muslims who might not be drawn to Al Qaeda's ideology but are angry over the injustices.
Bin Laden "looks to see the issues that are the most cogent and more likely to get popular support," Kohlmann said.
The Al Qaeda leader's call for an economic boycott helps in the appeal -- providing a nonviolent way to participate in opposing the United States.
"People of the world, it's not right for the burden to be left on the mujahedeen (holy warriors) in an issue that causes harm to everyone," he said. "Boycott them to save yourselves and your possessions and your children from climate change and to live proud and free."
Al-Jazeera aired excerpts of the message and posted a transcript on its Web site. The tape's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but the voice resembled that of bin Laden on messages known to be from him. The new message comes after a bin Laden tape released last week in which he endorsed a failed attempt to blow up an American airliner on Christmas Day.
In the new tape, bin Laden refers to the Dec. 18 climate conference in Copenhagen -- indicated the message was made recently.
The message -- whose length Al-Jazeera did not specify -- makes only brief passing mentions of Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine and instead hits on issues that could resonate at a time of widespread economic woes.
"The world is held hostage by major corporations, which are pushing it to the brink," he said. "World politics are not governed by reason but by the force and greed of oil thieves and warmongers and the cruel beasts of capitalism."
To stop global warming, he called for the "wheels of the American economy" to be brought to a halt. "This is possible ... if the peoples of the world stop consuming American goods."
"We must also stop dealings in the dollar and get rid of it as soon as possible," he said. "I know that this has great consequences and grave ramifications, but it is the only means to liberate humanity from slavery and dependence on America."
He also called for the "punishing and holding to account" of corporation chiefs, adding, "this should be easy for the American people to do, particularly those who were effected by Hurricane Katrina or those who lost their jobs, since these criminals live among them, particularly in Washington, New York and Texas."
The message represents a honing of Al Qaeda's rhetoric. In 2007, bin Laden issued a tape in which he warned that human life is endangered by global warning, and he blamed democratic systems for seeking the interests of major corporations, said the U.S.-based Site Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamic militant message traffic.
But in Friday's message, the anti-democracy rhetoric is dropped.
"It's populism, pure and simple," Kohlmann said.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jan 30, 2010 2:04:43 GMT -5
In other news, a new tape of Osama Bin Laden has him blaming the US for global warming.. No, this is NOT satire from Theonion.com. From Fox News, and I'm assuming it's being presented as a serious story. Can I get a WTF! They really think people are that gullible, and sadly, most are. It's damn near comical. -j |
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Post by B on Jan 30, 2010 9:04:38 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jan 30, 2010 10:18:09 GMT -5
In other news, a new tape of Osama Bin Laden has him blaming the US for global warming.. No, this is NOT satire from Theonion.com. From Fox News, and I'm assuming it's being presented as a serious story. Can I get a WTF! www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584249,00.html
CAIRO — Usama bin Laden sought to draw a wider public into his fight against the United States in a new message Friday, dropping his usual talk of religion and holy war and focusing instead on an unexpected topic: global warming.
The Al Qaeda leader blamed the United States and other industrialized nations for climate change and said the only way to prevent disaster was to break the American economy, calling on the world to boycott U.S. goods and stop using the dollar.
"The effects of global warming have touched every continent. Drought and deserts are spreading, while from the other floods and hurricanes unseen before the previous decades have now become frequent," bin Laden said in the audiotape, aired on the Arab TV network Al-Jazeera.
The terror leader noted Washington's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol aimed at reducing greenhouse gases and painted the United States as in the thrall of major corporations that he said "are the true criminals against the global climate" and are to blame for the global economic crisis, driving "tens of millions into poverty and unemployment."
Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders have mentioned global warming and struck an anti-globalization tone in previous tapes and videos. But the latest was the first message by bin Laden solely dedicated to the topic. It was also nearly entirely empty of the Islamic militant rhetoric that usually fills his declarations.
The change in rhetoric aims to give Al Qaeda's message an appeal beyond hardcore Islamic militants, said Evan Kohlmann, of globalterroralert.com, a private, U.S.-based terrorism analysis group.
"It's a bridge issue," Kohlmann said. "They are looking to appeal to people who don't necessarily love Al Qaeda but who are angry at the U.S. and the West, to galvanize them against the West" and make them more receptive to "alternative solutions like adopting violence for the cause."
"If you're looking to draw people who are disenchanted or disillusioned, what better issue to use than global warming," he said. While the focus on climate may be new, the tactic itself is not, he said: Al Qaeda used issues like the abuse of prisoners by U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib in Iraq and the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay to reach out to Muslims who might not be drawn to Al Qaeda's ideology but are angry over the injustices.
Bin Laden "looks to see the issues that are the most cogent and more likely to get popular support," Kohlmann said.
The Al Qaeda leader's call for an economic boycott helps in the appeal -- providing a nonviolent way to participate in opposing the United States.
"People of the world, it's not right for the burden to be left on the mujahedeen (holy warriors) in an issue that causes harm to everyone," he said. "Boycott them to save yourselves and your possessions and your children from climate change and to live proud and free."
Al-Jazeera aired excerpts of the message and posted a transcript on its Web site. The tape's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but the voice resembled that of bin Laden on messages known to be from him. The new message comes after a bin Laden tape released last week in which he endorsed a failed attempt to blow up an American airliner on Christmas Day.
In the new tape, bin Laden refers to the Dec. 18 climate conference in Copenhagen -- indicated the message was made recently.
The message -- whose length Al-Jazeera did not specify -- makes only brief passing mentions of Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine and instead hits on issues that could resonate at a time of widespread economic woes.
"The world is held hostage by major corporations, which are pushing it to the brink," he said. "World politics are not governed by reason but by the force and greed of oil thieves and warmongers and the cruel beasts of capitalism."
To stop global warming, he called for the "wheels of the American economy" to be brought to a halt. "This is possible ... if the peoples of the world stop consuming American goods."
"We must also stop dealings in the dollar and get rid of it as soon as possible," he said. "I know that this has great consequences and grave ramifications, but it is the only means to liberate humanity from slavery and dependence on America."
He also called for the "punishing and holding to account" of corporation chiefs, adding, "this should be easy for the American people to do, particularly those who were effected by Hurricane Katrina or those who lost their jobs, since these criminals live among them, particularly in Washington, New York and Texas."
The message represents a honing of Al Qaeda's rhetoric. In 2007, bin Laden issued a tape in which he warned that human life is endangered by global warning, and he blamed democratic systems for seeking the interests of major corporations, said the U.S.-based Site Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamic militant message traffic.
But in Friday's message, the anti-democracy rhetoric is dropped.
"It's populism, pure and simple," Kohlmann said.
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