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Post by ipuffin on Jun 7, 2011 9:25:40 GMT -5
...or Alien Cadets? The title is (split) tongue-in-(puffed-up) cheek, of course, but the idea is to discuss information that is beyond text and visuals - i.e. 'purely' musical. These clues are harder to quote, but are (at least) a third of the information, if not more. We ARE, after all, discussing musicians - not film actors. the idea came to me while watching the clip posted by iameye of "Cosmically Consious". I have to admit I never heard the song before, and was pleased as Punch...except for the fact that it further solidified my suspicions when hearing "Isn't It a Pity" for the first time. It was during a period when I was toying with playing "You Won't See Me" at a Rock-Ballad tempo, and I immediately recognized the basic riff. Of Course, Harrison was very talented in his own right and takes it from there - "how we break each others HEART" - that's a new chord in the game. Still one of my favorite songs ever (part 1 anyway) but the similarities are quite striking, and with Harrison's "criminal record"... and now this... But Cosmic Copiousness is a good example for why such a thread is needed for another reason: Listen to what happens in "It's such a joy joy..." there's that eerie, menacing, very tense progression I would even say a 007 progression that feels in complete contrast the lyrics...
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 7, 2011 9:59:35 GMT -5
another appearance of the 007 progression:
Can he really talk to you? It doesn't sound like he should Are you here to help - or to question him?
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 8, 2011 13:50:01 GMT -5
By "007 progression" I presume you mean 4, 5dim, 5, like in the blues scale? That's what Bulldog does. In cosmically conscious it's 1, 2dim, 2.
I'm not sure what you are digging at here.
I've always been amused at Baby You're a Rich Man where they sing 'tuned to a natural E'...the song is in G, and when they sing the word 'E' they use a G/C harmony.
-j
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 8, 2011 13:59:51 GMT -5
;D -j
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Post by B on Jun 8, 2011 18:53:40 GMT -5
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 8, 2011 20:12:36 GMT -5
Well, I know nothing of Aeolien Cadences I don't know much about them either and neither did the Beatles, that's the point - It's not meant to be a musicology thread, but a thread that focuses on the information that's in the music, that's available to "laymen". The said "007" progression is an example - you don't have to be a musician to recognize it. A musician may put it better into words - or may complicate matters with strange Italian words - but the Information is available to all. By "007 progression" I presume you mean 4, 5dim, 5, like in the blues scale? That's what Bulldog does. In cosmically conscious it's 1, 2dim, 2. In this particular case, WHERE the progression is played is immaterial: "Bulldog" does it again, and higher, straight after as if to make it even more tense. The similarity is the FOURTH note, that goes back a semi-tone. Here's another famous example, starting @1:25
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 8, 2011 21:05:40 GMT -5
Well, I know nothing of Aeolien Cadences I don't know much about them either and neither did the Beatles, that's the point - It's not meant to be a musicology thread, but a thread that focuses on the information that's in the music, that's available to "laymen". The said "007" progression is an example - you don't have to be a musician to recognize it. A musician may put it better into words - or may complicate matters with strange Italian words - but the Information is available to all. By "007 progression" I presume you mean 4, 5dim, 5, like in the blues scale? That's what Bulldog does. In cosmically conscious it's 1, 2dim, 2. In this particular case, WHERE the progression is played is immaterial: "Bulldog" does it again, and higher, straight after as if to make it even more tense. The similarity is the FOURTH note, that goes back a semi-tone. Here's another famous example, starting @1:25 That one uses an augmented 5 just like the actual 'James Bond 007' riff. (Or is that a diminished 6? Doc? Maybe us non-musicians should just call it a 5½. ) Here's another famous one that uses the 4½ like Hey Bulldog does: For those of you who have no idea what we're talking about...there are 12 musical notes but only seven at a time 'belong' to the key in which a song is being played; the other five are called 'accidentals' (even though musicians play them on purpose!) When I talk about a 4½ note or a 5½ note, I am talking about one of those accidentals. They add 'spice' to a chord progression or a melody. (Blues music incorporates the 4½ note as a regular part of its scale, which is a big part of what gives the blues it's signature sound). -j
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Post by FP on Jun 9, 2011 1:02:22 GMT -5
I think in Cosmically Conscious he's taking the fingering of an open E chord and moving it up a fret, then up another one, then down one, if you're curious how to play that "eerie" part that on guitar.
Yeah, the You Won't See Me progression (I-II-IV-I) is a pretty common one, (Sgt Pepper and the song from School Of Rock use it). And George substitutes the second chord of this progression with a diminished 7th chord in Isn't It A Pity. Thing is, people have been using simple chord progressions like these for ages, consciously or subconsciously. Just think of the doo-wop progression: I-iv-IV(or ii)-V (Like G, em, C, D). Or I-bIII-IV-I (E, G, A, E). I really don't think this was intentional.
On the other hand, however, if I heard a song with the same chords as Beware of Darkness, well, it would be hard to do that by accident!
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 9, 2011 3:14:26 GMT -5
I think in Cosmically Conscious he's taking the fingering of an open E chord and moving it up a fret, then up another one, then down one, if you're curious how to play that "eerie" part that on guitar. Yeah, the You Won't See Me progression (I-II-IV-I) is a pretty common one, (Sgt Pepper and the song from School Of Rock use it). And George substitutes the second chord of this progression with a diminished 7th chord in Isn't It A Pity. Thing is, people have been using simple chord progressions like these for ages, consciously or subconsciously. Just think of the doo-wop progression: I-iv-IV(or ii)-V (Like G, em, C, D). Or I-bIII-IV-I (E, G, A, E). I really don't think this was intentional. On the other hand, however, if I heard a song with the same chords as Beware of Darkness, well, it would be hard to do that by accident! yes, it's common NOW, it's the "Cosmic Progression" (try playing it and just singing "Ah" to it and you'll understand) But I'm pretty sure it was not so common before YWSM. In fact, it may have been the first. It's just so straightforwardly positive - yet in a "magical" way, there's something epic about it, which would feel quite out of place pre-65'. In YWSM the "epic-ness" is obscured by a lot of bluesy piano. But later on, as the 60's blossomed: (one of many examples) On chords level alone, YWSM is a Rock'n'Roll song with 0% Blues. IF I believed in Tavistock I would say this progression was created by Adorno to ease the inserting of un-christian ideas and Neo-Pagan ethics. As I don't believe in it, I'd say it is the working of the Spice, introduced to the Beatles by Dylan.
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 9, 2011 3:28:42 GMT -5
I don't know much about them either and neither did the Beatles, that's the point - It's not meant to be a musicology thread, but a thread that focuses on the information that's in the music, that's available to "laymen". The said "007" progression is an example - you don't have to be a musician to recognize it. A musician may put it better into words - or may complicate matters with strange Italian words - but the Information is available to all. In this particular case, WHERE the progression is played is immaterial: "Bulldog" does it again, and higher, straight after as if to make it even more tense. The similarity is the FOURTH note, that goes back a semi-tone. Here's another famous example, starting @1:25 That one uses an augmented 5 just like the actual 'James Bond 007' riff. (Or is that a diminished 6? Doc? Maybe us non-musicians should just call it a 5½. ) Here's another famous one that uses the 4½ like Hey Bulldog does: actually, this one is reversed...but the effect is very much the same. I'll just note - for our younger readers - that this (the Batman song) is the origin of the joke in "Taxman": (again, this is something that is lost in just posting the text of a song)
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Post by iameye on Jun 9, 2011 5:01:18 GMT -5
Aeolus (Greek: Αἴολος Aiolos [ájjolos], Modern Greek: [ˈe.olos] ) was the ruler of the winds in Greek mythology. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_harpAnd what if all of animated nature Be but organic Harps diversely framed, That tremble into thought, as o'er them sweeps Plastic and vast, one intellectual breeze, At once the Soul of each, and God of all? the double O 7 progression
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 9, 2011 5:05:53 GMT -5
Aeolus (Greek: Αἴολος Aiolos [ájjolos], Modern Greek: [ˈe.olos] ) was the ruler of the winds in Greek mythology. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_harpAnd what if all of animated nature Be but organic Harps diversely framed, That tremble into thought, as o'er them sweeps Plastic and vast, one intellectual breeze, At once the Soul of each, and God of all? the double O 7 progression good morning eye! (presuming it's morning at AE) and you know what the wind cries...don't you? speaking of "cosmic harps" - have you seen Google today?
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Post by iameye on Jun 9, 2011 5:09:49 GMT -5
Good Morning, Puffy. Yes, I did notice and I know EXACTLY what the wind cries.
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 9, 2011 5:41:04 GMT -5
Good Morning, Puffy. Yes, I did notice and I know EXACTLY what the wind cries. PS Haven't seen that intro before but it goes straight to my favorites ...Banksy mentioned on the Simpsons, how cooler can it get? a pity they are so lagging these days...takes too long to make I guess. half a year per chapter comparing with South-Park's approx 2 days... or is it just an excuse so FOX can make sure there's nothing TOO radical in it?
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Post by FP on Jun 9, 2011 12:13:53 GMT -5
I think in Cosmically Conscious he's taking the fingering of an open E chord and moving it up a fret, then up another one, then down one, if you're curious how to play that "eerie" part that on guitar. Yeah, the You Won't See Me progression (I-II-IV-I) is a pretty common one, (Sgt Pepper and the song from School Of Rock use it). And George substitutes the second chord of this progression with a diminished 7th chord in Isn't It A Pity. Thing is, people have been using simple chord progressions like these for ages, consciously or subconsciously. Just think of the doo-wop progression: I-iv-IV(or ii)-V (Like G, em, C, D). Or I-bIII-IV-I (E, G, A, E). I really don't think this was intentional. On the other hand, however, if I heard a song with the same chords as Beware of Darkness, well, it would be hard to do that by accident! yes, it's common NOW, it's the "Cosmic Progression" (try playing it and just singing "Ah" to it and you'll understand) But I'm pretty sure it was not so common before YWSM. In fact, it may have been the first. It's just so straightforwardly positive - yet in a "magical" way, there's something epic about it, which would feel quite out of place pre-65'. In YWSM the "epic-ness" is obscured by a lot of bluesy piano. But later on, as the 60's blossomed: Actually, Eight Days A Week used it (October 64), so that would be the first.
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 9, 2011 13:23:28 GMT -5
yes, it's common NOW, it's the "Cosmic Progression" (try playing it and just singing "Ah" to it and you'll understand) But I'm pretty sure it was not so common before YWSM. In fact, it may have been the first. It's just so straightforwardly positive - yet in a "magical" way, there's something epic about it, which would feel quite out of place pre-65'. In YWSM the "epic-ness" is obscured by a lot of bluesy piano. But later on, as the 60's blossomed: Actually, Eight Days A Week used it (October 64), so that would be the first. My my, you are right! still, that puts it AFTER Dylan "passed the torch" - late August. Elevation:
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 10, 2011 7:07:18 GMT -5
the double O 7 progression killing two birds with one bullet:
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Post by iameye on Jun 10, 2011 7:44:58 GMT -5
people will walk you through it. Step by step, like an infant new kid. Inch by inch with the new solution. Transmit hits, with no delusion. The feeling's irresistible and that's how we movin'. the double O 7 progression
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 10, 2011 8:48:54 GMT -5
people will walk you through it. Step by step, like an infant new kid. Inch by inch with the new solution. Transmit hits, with no delusion. The feeling's irresistible and that's how we movin'. lol
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 12, 2011 12:43:50 GMT -5
Strawberry Fields+ Penny Lane+ Blue Jay Way+ 007 = PS just switched my "facebook" status to "single"... back to being a frog, then...
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Post by B on Jun 12, 2011 15:43:21 GMT -5
Strawberry Fields+ Penny Lane+ Blue Jay Way+ 007 = PS just switched my "facebook" status to "single"... back to being a frog, then... Sorry to hear that you're presumably suffering. If not, maybe this will help! ;D
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Post by ipuffin on Jun 12, 2011 16:15:02 GMT -5
your plan was foiled letter B by now I've developed such a fetish for good-old hand-drawn animation that it actually made me feel a bit better... Never seen this before! I have a feeling this is by far better than "Broad Street"...
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Post by B on Jun 12, 2011 16:19:41 GMT -5
Actually no studies have been done regarding how many marraiges have dissolved due to "PID Obsessitivity Compulsion", but it seems that once a person has entered the rabbit hole, well.... anything can happen. Here we have a formerly productive contributing member to NIR-PWR (in the blue shirt) holding sway (or something) at a Mad Hatter Tea Party: Dinner Conversations from Frozensquirrelwww.youtube.com/watch?v=qhySLosSgqAAnd he's not even a Nutter! Well, - actually he might be, but - But fear not! Have faith! Tis an ill wind that brings no fukushima radiation. Or whatever. Cheers.
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Post by iameye on Jun 12, 2011 19:41:02 GMT -5
Strawberry Fields+ Penny Lane+ Blue Jay Way+ 007 = PS just switched my "facebook" status to "single"... back to being a frog, then... Sorry to hear that you're presumably suffering. If not, maybe this will help! ;D change facebook status to "ONE" Come up to meet you, Tell you I’m sorry, You don’t know how lovely you are I had to find you, Tell you I need you, Tell you I set you apart Tell me your secrets, And ask me your questions, Aww let’s go back to the start
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Post by iameye on Jun 12, 2011 19:54:53 GMT -5
I'd like to be, included, artistically...
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