George on Rolling Stone

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on the cover of the Rolling Stone

The Private Life of George Harrison
Preview pictures from 'George Harrison: Living in the Material World'

Use the red arrows on right to see pictures:

www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/the-private-life-of-george-harrison-20110902

www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/george-harrison-in-the-words-of-friends-and-family-20110902

[seasaltcaramel]

its strange. I live right by lancaster massachusetts where the maharishi set up an ashram, i believe. The name ayurveda something. There used to be an abbey, the building is still there. The abbey of the cenacle was its name. I heard about this the week before the article came out.
Have you ever come across this in any biographies? Apparently george went to the ayurveda place. There is a story that he was cleaning the halls one night

[B]

*waiting for the rest of the story*

[seasaltcaramel]

Oct 1, 2011 23:48:27 GMT -5 B said:

*waiting for the rest of the story*

im sorry, this has been happening lately. I cant see how that would have been too long...

So the ayurveda center or ashram is located in the woods. The thayer family (who basically built the town) are buried in the middle of the forest, called "blood forest". "The ayurveda" is in this forest. It is supposedly a haunted area.

One day george was cleaning the halls. It was late and he was cleaning/locking the unused rooms. He goes into a room and when he leaves the doors are all open in the hallway.

I dont know if all the guests getting their yogurt baths were also assigned janitorial duty, but maybe, to humble them or something. I had never heard of the place, and this story, told by a friend whose mother used to go to a church at the abbey of the cenacle, also located in the forest.

If you are ever in the area and want to get lost, i suggest trying to find the ruins of the abbey. The center still exists. But im not into yogurt baths or ghosts so i dont know much about it.

By the way, the picture of george's grotto with the virgin mary looks like it was pretty cool.

If someone searched their indexes and could suggest some references to the center it would be appreciated. I enjoy doing that sort of thing myself. So if you know any books that might be worth reading, i will get them and post the interesting passages, and obviously, whatever else there might be related to PID/PWR.
Sorry about the wait... Just a little ghost story.

[seasaltcaramel]

www.ayurvedalancaster.com/ -- a mansion. the furniture alone would cost a few million dollars.

"In 1984, Chopra met the Maharishi, who encouraged him to learn about Ayurveda. Chopra did so and in 1985 became director of the Maharishi Ayurveda Health Center for Stress Management in Lancaster, Massachusetts. He also founded and became president of the American Association for Ayurvedic Medicine and Maharishi Ayur-Veda Products International (MAPI). An FDA report states that Chopra remained MAPI's sole stockholder until September 1987, when the stock was transferred to the tax-exempt Maharishi Ayurveda Foundation. MAPI is now called Maharishi Ayur-Ved Products International."
www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/chopra.html


Maharishi Ayurveda Products • 1680 Hwy 1 North, Suite 2200 • Fairfield, IA • U.S.A. 52556
E-mail: [e-mail] • Fax: [phone] • To order, call 800-255-8332 Outside USA, call [phone]


"Anand Shrivastava is president of Maharishi Ayurveda Corporation. It was founded in 1987 and is ISO 9000 compliant. It markets over 900 products to 37 countries; exports which account for 60% of its output.

"Maharishi Ayurveda Products Pvt Ltd. (MAPPL), also run by Anand Srivastava, announced in a 2010 press release that it had been in business for three decades, that it operated 13 clinic in India, and that it was seeking the advice of a franchise company regarding further expansion. A 2011 press release, announcing franchise opportunities, says it markets over 1500 products.[12] MAPPL was sued in 2008 by a resident of Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa when she discovered that she had received lead poisoning after using their products. One herbal supplement was tested and reported to contain 3% lead by weight."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_Group
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_Vedic_City,_Iowa:

"The city plan and buildings are based on Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, an ancient system of architecture and design, revived by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi..." i wonder...


apparently by 2000 the maharishi had moved his ayurveda center to north carolina. so people are currently trying to keep it open:

"The center is on 250 acres surrounding an elegant 54-room turn-of-the-last century mansion built by the Thayers, one of the town's most prosperous families. It needed extensive renovations, Mr. Pirc said. But, he agreed that it has a dedicated staff and is held in high esteem by Ayurveda enthusiasts around the world.
"Work on the mansion began this summer, with $200,000 spent so far. Ten of the 15 guestrooms have been beautifully refurbished with marble bathrooms and antique furniture. All windows have been replaced. An adjoining two-story clinic featuring treatment suites, of three rooms each, has been done over as well.
"Although the cost of staying at the center is pricey — $690 a day, which includes seeing doctors, plus treatments, food and classes — a one-hour outpatient consultation with an Ayurvedic doctor costs $150."
www.ayurvedalancaster.com/index.php?id=telegram

"Cynthia Lennon believed that Mardas invented a story about sexual impropriety to undermine the Maharishi's influence on the Beatles." yes, with his candles.
www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi

an interesting quote from the same site:
"Donovan, commenting on past rumors, said to WNYC New York Public Radio on February 6, 2008: "It was not to do with Maharishi and everything to do with what was personally happening in the lives of the Beatles at the time. In fact, George went to Maharishi and apologized. It was really a complete OVERLAY of falsehood that in reality has nothing to do with this extraordinary man.... It is my great pleasure to speak of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. George and I agreed, this is the one, he can show us the technique. We honour him for his extraordinary work."

considering this article was for the movie exploring george's spirituality i think it is worth investigating, i even tried to focus less on the local interest this time... there is a george harrison quote about the maharishi and mantras. he needed a password. isnt that sweet...

any of you (all two of you) ever heard of paul twitchell?

[B]

Yes, I've heard of Paul Twitchell. He wrote two books about ECKankar (an astral projection
technique), and was he was also Omnec Onec's teacher when she arrived in the Himalayas
to learn to function as an earthling, according to her.
I seem to recall that she said he was, in fact, a fellow Venusian.

And you mention him why?

Omnec Onec, (reply #6)

[seasaltcaramel]

Oct 3, 2011 10:36:44 GMT -5 B said:

Yes, I've heard of Paul Twitchell. He wrote two books about ECKankar (an astral projection
technique), and was he was also Omnec Onec's teacher when she arrived in the Himalayas
to learn to function as an earthling, according to her.
I seem to recall that she said he was, in fact, a fellow Venusian.

And you mention him why?

Omnec Onec, (reply #6)

that post is absurd. but it does reminds me of the song by the misfits "teenagers from mars"...

i thought you weren't a magician? the new age movement is an oedipal thing. there is the freudian interpretation of oedipus, & there is the "classical" interpretation which concerns fantasy vs. reality. i've been following conspiracy culture for a while now and realize that a lot of the conclusions require knowledge of new age ideas, if not blind acceptance of those ideas. jordan maxwell, for instance, and his new nibiru BS is a perfect example.

its a distraction from reality. not only that, we are being conditioned to believe "their" mythology, all the while we believe we are learning the "truth". in reality, it is skewed. particularly those people that claim they are martians/venusians. i always thought it was interesting my copy of "behold a pale horse" has advertisements about channelers and other new age nonsense, all the while the book discusses how these things are a part of the conspiracy. so the average person interested in these things, for one reason or another, overlook this sort of contradiction.

its like crowley. do you honestly think he reveals anything of importance? of course not. if these societies didnt want him to do what he was doing he would've been killed. instead what happened was he was allowed to do what he wanted and portray a magician. you have to remember he was involved in intelligence. i think it is very likely that crowley was a sham. he was there for the masses. not to mention the majority of the books that are released on the occult, "the goetia", "the clavicle of solomon", "the book of sacred magic of abramelin the mage", these books are corrupt. they are either incomplete, or have been purposefully altered.

the reason i mention paul twitchell is because he refers to himself as the "mahanta" and that he is the only true spiritual being on this plane of existence. he also claims his books have been transcribed from a hidden monastery in the himalayas. he is a perfect example of how a soothing voice can sell anything. maybe it works for some people, im sure it does. however, the books are full of capitalized words and apparently the life force is something called ECK. okay. give me a years supply of acid and a trust fund and by god i can out mahanta this mahanta.

i have no patience for the new age movement. there is this woman, from the gridkeeper channel on youtube, and she will go on and on about "the fairies". she is, like, 60 and it sounds so insincere, but she has a book, and a live giving copper bracelet, yours for $40. UFOs are the new religion, you need faith to believe such nonsense. not that the whole topic is nonsense, but these people claiming to be in contact with aliens are charlatans. if a guy, or gal, keeps saying ah... uh... trying to convince you they have the secret of the universe, i suggest keep moving. this fairy woman really pisses me off. she was SO obviously full of shit, she made me start asking myself these questions. im not a terribly skeptical person (obviously...) but you have to draw the line somewhere.

you have people killing kids in norway because he thinks he is a templar. he has connections to the EDL and british "masons". i was immediately reminded of leo zagami when i heard of the attacks -- people that aren't masons or templars, but are neo-masons/neo-templars. all you have to do is go to ebay and, poof, you are a 33rd degree mason. this woman, the fairy woman, talks about how her spiritual allies are "the templars". these people have there own little conspiracy going and it's absurd. its dangerous too, because now you have this BS going mainstream on the history channel.

i was watching cops at a friends house and they were busting into this sanford and sons house, i could just imagine a person with a real thick southern accent screaming "get away from me you god damned illuminati bastards!" the tea party movement and all this stuff coming through and being moulded into a garbage heap of paranoia and misrepresentation. the conpspiracy theorists have their own conspiracy, and it's not just to make a living. they have an agenda.

its like ron paul. alex jones is putting out these shirts "draft ron paul". what does that mean? when i read it i think "if ron paul gets elected he is going to reinstate the draft." but nevermind that.

lets talk about how i am communicating with joe meek...

[seasaltcaramel]

im not really communicating with joe meek, i was trying to make a point about how lets not talk about australia's shit show, or whatever happened to those oil spills, lets talk about paul mccartney being abducted by aliens.

for the record, i do believe the subject of PID is not a total waste of time. it brings to light a lot of hidden aspects of the culture industry and, hopefully, can destroy some naivety at the same time. it is kind of hard to believe the beatles were essentially bullshitting everyone with their first few records. but its understandable. you got to get your foot in the door... its even harder to accept that the beatles never really had respect for their "bread and butter" audience.

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the misfits- teenagers from mars
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6tZtiM0T10


The network - Teenagers From Mars
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB5xSlAkN3U

[B]

I wrote: he was also Omnec Onec's teacher when she arrived in the Himalayas
seasaltcaramel wrote: he also claims his books have been transcribed from a hidden monastery
in the himalayas.

It was the same monastery. He was transcribing; she was learning to cope with
being physically incarnated.

You see, seasaltcaramel, you have to wrap your mind around the notion of:

Too crazy not to be true!

Many people never do.
It takes some practice, because, of course, you don't want to be "crazy" yourself,
but all your life you will read claims and accounts of people who seem to
have gone off the deep end (and in some cases they have).
When you consider what they've said, you'll wonder why anyone would say such
overtly 'insane' things when they have nothing to gain by doing so.

Practice giving them the benefit of the doubt, and even if you can't believe what's
being said, stash away the information in your mind, and as the years pass,
you'll see that there is a pattern and sensibility to what's "crazy", and then you'll
be able to see a bigger picture.

Naturally there is always the argument: "They're doing it for the money they'll make
telling their weird tale."

But in most instances, they don't make money. So the motivation ultimately
comes down to: they believe it to be a true experience, and they want others to
know of the possibility of having the experience. In other words, they're sincere.

Seasaltcaramel wrote:
"the reason i mention paul twitchell is because he refers to himself as the "mahanta" and that he is the only true spiritual being on this plane of existence. he also claims his books have been transcribed from a hidden monastery in the himalayas. he is a perfect example of how a soothing voice can sell anything. maybe it works for some people, im sure it does. however, the books are full of capitalized words and apparently the life force is something called ECK. okay. give me a years supply of acid and a trust fund and by god i can out mahanta this mahanta."

We had a poster here who basically felt that the Beatles were giving out the very
message that you wrote in your last sentence. His contention is that the Beatles thought
that if everyone took LSD, they'd see the spiritual side of life, and war woud cease.
Love would be the motivational force in the world.

Was paul twitchell "the only true spiritual being on this plane of existence"?

Of course not, but then I have to think something may have been lost in the translation.
He may have been the only being who - while physically incarnated - could make full
use of his spiritual essense as if he were still fully in the spiritual state.
In other words, doing things like bi-locating, walking on water, etc.

Or he may have been delusional, or both if he was "ungrounded".

Anyway I still am not understanding why you brought him up in the first place.
Don't you think that George was making similar claims in some of his songs?

The Beatles - It's All Too Much (Long Version)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMF54aF9Vjk


Sell me on a silver sun
where I know that I'm free
Show me that I'm everywhere
and get me home for tea[/color]


Here's an "ECK" song for you:

The Beatles - Flying
www.youtube.com/watch?v=14flwvMjyAQ

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seasaltcaramel wrote: i was trying to make a point about how lets not talk about australia's shit show, or whatever happened to those oil spills, lets talk about paul mccartney being abducted by aliens.

I'm not up on my TV, so I googled it:

Shit My Dad Says TV show, bring it to Australia

CBS Bloops My Dad Says Trailer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAlxF3g0Yr0&NR=1


Why is this important? You don't want to talk about "paul mccartney being abducted by aliens"
but a TV show featuring William Shatner of the Starship Enterprise
merits a watching? What am I missing here?

ssc wrote:
"for the record, i do believe the subject of PID is not a total waste of time. it brings to light a lot of hidden aspects of the culture industry and, hopefully, can destroy some naivety at the same time."

Well it was put out to the public as a mystery to be solved. Let's hope that there
was a meaningful motive for that.

ssc wrote:
"it is kind of hard to believe the beatles were essentially bullshitting everyone with their first few records. but its understandable. you got to get your foot in the door... its even harder to accept that the beatles never really had respect for their "bread and butter" audience.


I don't think they were bullshitting anyone, and I don't think they 'never had respect for their...audience'. That certainly does not seem to be the case when you watch the early videos.

ssc wrote:
lets talk about how i am communicating with joe meek...


So is your point that we should be discussing the basic "lowest common denominator"
meaning of the Beatles' work, rather than esoteric aspects of it?
Everybody should love one another.
Keep the discussion simple, because that's all the average Joe can understand?
Anything else is probablly bullshit anyway?
That seems to be what you're saying. I'm not getting on your case; just trying to
understand where you are going with this.

[iameye]

ssc wrote:
"for the record, i do believe the subject of PID is not a total waste of time. it brings to light a lot of hidden aspects of the culture industry and, hopefully, can destroy some naivety at the same time."

letter b said:

Well it was put out to the public as a mystery to be solved. Let's hope that there
was a meaningful motive for that.


There was, B.

Someone with a LOT of Hope already found that meaningful motive for you.


Your mystery to solve is a little bit different

[B]

Not to get too far off topic, but practice makes perfect. Besides, it's funny!

Too crazy not to be true!

Saturn / Satan - Denver International Airport Conspiracy Nut Jobs!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWOo7DfIBRs
<--- the suitcase!

[seasaltcaramel]

Oct 5, 2011 15:03:50 GMT -5 B said:

seasaltcaramel wrote: i was trying to make a point about how lets not talk about australia's shit show, or whatever happened to those oil spills, lets talk about paul mccartney being abducted by aliens.

I'm not up on my TV, so I googled it:

Shit My Dad Says TV show, bring it to Australia

CBS Bloops My Dad Says Trailer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAlxF3g0Yr0

[B]

??? I think that seasaltcaramel just told me that what I wrote is sh*t.

Walking In The Air (from: The Snowman)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubeVUnGQOIk

[seasaltcaramel]

check out the new rolling stone to see what i mean by australia's shit show

i didnt...

[ipuffin]

say, anyone saw that Scorsese thingy?
anything of interest?