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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 16, 2012 5:46:26 GMT -5
I was recently reading the tale of Lisa Howard (1930 - 1965) American journalist who died suspiciously after the JFK assassination. Had she lived, her testimony stating that Castro and Kennedy's relations were not all that strained, and that a peace accord between the USA and Cuba was being sought between the two men, but the CIA got in the way of that. Maybe why she ended up dead. It made me look into the many deaths that are associated with the Kennedy assassination. The ones that immediately followed the event. In particular the ones that showed the person died of unnatural causes. Which brought me eventually to this site. richardcharnin.com/jfkprob.htm"In any given year, only one unnatural death would be expected in a random group of 1,400. The probability that at least 15 of 1,400 randomly-selected individuals would die unnaturally is 1 in 167 TRILLION (mathematical proof below). In the 3 years following the assassination, there were 30 unnatural deaths (only 2 would normally be expected). The probability is 2.66E-22 or 1 in 3,758,011,005,858,980,000,000 In the 14 years following the assassination, there were 70 unnatural deaths (11 would normally be expected). The probability is 9.22E-33 or 1 in 108,463,706,424,462,460,000,000,000,000,000. That number is greater than all of the stars in the universe and grains of sand on earth. The mathematical probabilities calculated in the JFK Witness Deaths Database are powerful evidence that the deaths could not have been a coincidence. There had to be a connection between them. Approximately 71 of the 106 deaths were unnatural (53 were extremely suspicious)." And this got me wondering. The site goes further to explain that the deaths of 35 people out of a group of 2000 random individuals, all dying of unnatural causes, odds are astronomical such a thing would happen. "Approximately 35 witnesses died unnaturally in the 5 years following the assassination. The probability that EXACTLY 35 out of 2,000 RANDOMLY SELECTED individuals would die in a 5 year interval is 2.1E-17 or 1 in 47,657 TRILLION." And that made me think. A lot of people started dying of unnatural causes in the Beatles world. Specifically after the "event" of Paul McCartney's death and replacement. If you place that event in-between September and November 1966, begin looking at Beatles associates that suddenly started committing suicide, or dying mysteriously. It starts with Tara Browne. Then Brian Epstein. David Jacobs. Joe Orton. Richard Asher. It indeed, goes on and on within a decade to include Mal Evans, Rory Storm, Badfinger's Tom Evans and Pete Ham -- it goes on and on. It would be difficult obtaining a list of 2000 people associated with The Beatles. Not difficult to accumulate. Difficult to assemble. From this short list alone, you can start branching out, and I think you'd get to that 2000 eventually. Neil Aspinall Dave Dexter, Jr. Geoff Emerick Mal Evans Glyn Johns Bert Kaempfert Jeff Lynne Magic Alex Ken Mansfield George Martin Giles Martin Phil McDonald Ken Scott Norman Smith Phil Spector Alistair Taylor Chris Thomas Ken Townsend Peter Vince Businessmen Peter Bennett Sid Bernstein Peter Brown Lee Eastman Brian Epstein Dick James Allen Klein Larry Parnes Allan Williams Musicians Eric Clapton The Dirty Mac Donovan Bob Dylan Johnny Gentle Nicky Hopkins Johnny Hutchinson Mick Jagger Brian Jones Jim Keltner David Mason Tommy Moore Chas Newby Jimmie Nicol Harry Nilsson Peter and Gordon Plastic Ono Band Billy Preston Ronnie Scott Ravi Shankar Tony Sheridan Rory Storm and the Hurricanes Andy White Writers Tony Barrow Ray Connolly Hunter Davies Mark Lewisohn Bruce Spizer Derek Taylor Girlfriends / wives Jane Asher Pattie Boyd Astrid Kirchherr Cynthia Lennon Linda McCartney Yoko Ono Francie Schwartz Maureen Starkey Nancy Andrews Barbara Bach Olivia Arias Parents / guardians Mona Best Alfred Lennon Julia Lennon Jim and Mary McCartney George Smith Mimi Smith Other Bill Harry Ken Brown George Dunning Horst Fascher The Fool Robert Freeman Bruno Koschmider Richard Lester Murray the K Pete Shotton Ivan Vaughan Roby Yonge Jürgen Vollmer Klaus Voormann Maharishi Mahesh Yogi There's so many more to be included. And I think the amount of deaths after the PID event is too many. Nevermind that The lawyer who visited Manson at his 1967 parole was George Shibley. The lawyer at Sirhan Sirhan's trial was Shibley. The homicide investigating officer of the RFK assassination was Charles Higbie. The man who shot Mal Evans on a routine domestic disturbance was Higbie. Both Manson and Sirhan were linked to the Process Church and Scientology. There's too many coincidences and repeated names popping up.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 16, 2012 5:49:38 GMT -5
It also strikes me strange that close associate of Epstein, Alistair Taylor, has been wiped out of Beatles history almost altogether.
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Post by lbak on Dec 19, 2012 8:17:27 GMT -5
Don't forget Stu Sutcliffe.....or Julia Lennon.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 19, 2012 15:36:28 GMT -5
Don't forget Stu Sutcliffe.....or Julia Lennon. But those two Julia Lennon (12 March 1914 – 15 July 1958) Stuart Sutcliffe (23 June 1940 – 10 April 1962) within a 4 year period, would be expected. Even though Julia was killed by a car, and Stuart; death caused by aneurysm. In any given year, only one unnatural death would be expected in a random group of 1,400. This would be Julia. In the 3 years following the (JFK) assassination, there were 30 unnatural deaths (only 2 would normally be expected). Which would make Stuart Sutcliffe's death "expected" by probability alone. But then you have September - November 1966, and the death of Paul McCartney. This is what follows. Tara Browne Car Accident (4 March 1945 – 18 December 1966) John Kingsley ("Joe") Orton Murdered (1 January 1933 – 9 August 1967) A Day in the Life was played at his funeral.Brian Samuel Epstein Carbitral Overdose(19 September 1934 – 27 August 1967) David Jacobs ( - 15 December 1968) Suicide. If Epstein's death was mildly suspicious, Jacobs death a year later was outright cause for conspiracy. Lewis Brian Hopkins Jones (28 February 1942 – 3 July 1969) Murdered. Richard Alan John Asher, FRCP (3 April 1912, Brighton – 25 April 1969, Marylebone) Suicide. Sharon Marie Tate (January 24, 1943 - August 9, 1969) Murdered. These just take 3 years to come about. That's a lot of people associated with The Beatles directly, or through another person. And when that many deaths happen of unnatural causes, there is cause to say, this is suspect. In the 3 years following the "Death of Paul", there were 7 unnatural deaths (only 2 would normally be expected). The probability is somewhere close to this figure, but most likely less. 2.66E-22 or 1 in 3,758,011,005,858,980,000,000Also interesting to note that in almost all cases, the person either died in August or December. ,
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 19, 2012 15:54:30 GMT -5
I haven't forgotten Robert George "Joe" Meek (5 April 1929 – 3 February 1967), who knew Brian Epstein. I was unsure whether to include him as I did not know how well his association with Epstein and/or The Beatles was documented.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 20, 2012 0:03:23 GMT -5
Beginning to compile that list of random people - but all associated with The Beatles in some how some way. And not like, The Beatles liked Jimi Hendrix, so I put Jimi Hendrix in there. I'm talking business associates, former girlfriends, wives, kids, parents, peers and groups they did hang around with --- I've already got close to 400. Still have yet to assemble the unnatural deaths that occur within them after September/November 1966
Abigail Folger Adelaide Sloatman Al Jardine Alan Aldridge Alan White Albert Hofmann Alex Harvey Alexander Saunders Alfred Lennon Ali Akbar Khan, Alistair Taylor Allan Williams Allen Ginsberg Allen Klein Alma Cogan Andy White Anita Cochrane Anita Pallenberg Ann Marie Guirron Anton LaVey Arthur Lee Arthur McMahon Astrid Kirchherr Barbara Bach Barbara Baker Barry Miles Beatrice McCartney Beecher Stevens Bernadette Farrell Bert Kaempfert Bettina Derlien Bettina Hubers Bill Harry Bill Wyman Billy Fury Billy J Kramer Billy Preston Bob Boast Bob Dylan Bob Wooler Bobby Beausoleil Bobby Rankine Bonnie Lynn O'Farrell Brian Epstein Brian Jones Brian Wilson Bruce Davis Bryan MacLean Candace Bergen Carl Perkins Carl Wilson Catherine Gillies Catherine Share Charlene Caffritz Charles Higbie Charles Hollopeter Charles Manson Charles Tex Watson Charlie Watts Chas Newby Chris Neal Chris Thomas Christopher Gibbs Clive Epstein Colin Borland Colin Manley Colin Self Cory Sentrop Cynthia Powell Dave Mason Davey Jones David Bowie David Crosby David Frost David Geffen David Gilmour David Hallyday David Jacobs David Krempa David Mairowitz David Spinozza Declan McManus (Elvis Costello) Delaney Bramlett Dennis Hopper Dennis Wilson Denny Laine Denny Seiwell Derek Taylor Dhani Harrison Dianne Lake Dick James Dick Rowe Dinah "Queenie" Hyman Don Andrew Donald Shea Donovan Doris Day Doris Troy Dorothy Rhone Ed Sullivan Elsie Gleave Elton John Eric Burdon Eric Clapton Eric Idle Erika Hubers Erika Hubers Estelle Bennett Fran Hughes Francie Schwartz Frank Zappa Fred Marsden Gary Evans Gary Wright Gene Mahon Geoff Baker Geoff Briton Geoff Emerick Geoffrey Ellis George E Shibley George Harrison George Martin George Smith Geraldine McGivern Gered Mankowitz Gerry Conway Gerry Marsden Graham Nash Gregory Corso Hamish Stuart Harold Harrison Harriet Vyner Harry Epstein Harry Graves Harry Nilsson Heather Eastman McCartney Heather Mills Heike Evert Henry McCullough Herb Cohen Howie Casey Hugh McCracken Hunter Davies Ida Holly Iris Caldwell Irving Kanerak Isoko Ono Ivan Vaughan Jackie Lomax James McCartney James McCartney III James Paul McCartney James Taylor Jane Asher Jason Starkey Jay Sebring Jayne Mansfield Jeff Jones Jeff Lynne Jeff Nuttall Jennifer Brewer Jennifer Dunbar Jenny (Helen Mary) Boyd Jenny Kee Jim Foy Jim Gordon Jim Haynes Jim Keltner Jimmy McCulloch Jimmy Nicol Joan Brown Joe Brown Joe English Joe Flannery Joey Molland John Byrne John Dunbar John Echols John Frankenheimer John Lennon John Lilly John Pearse John Peel John Phillips Johnny Gentle Juan Flynn Julia Stanley Julian Lennon Julie Artjur Julie Felix June Furlong Jurgen Vollmer Justin Hayward Kathy Simmonds Keisuke Ono Keith Moon Keith Richards Ken Forssi Ken Scott Kenneth Anger Kenneth Grant Kim Fowley Klaus Voormann Krissy Wod Kyoko Ono Cox L. Ron Hubbard Larry Bailey Larry Parnes Laurence Juber Lee Starkey Leno Labianca Leon Russell Les Chadwick Les Maguire Leslie Van Houten Lillian Powell Lily Evans Linda Eastman Linda Kasabian Linda Thorpe Lord Woodbine Lou `Wally' Walters (Walter Eymond) Lou Adler Louise French Lyndsey De Paul Lynette Fromme Madaline Joan Cottage Maggie McGivern Maharish Mahesh Yogi Mal Evans Mama Cass Elliott Marc Bolan Margaret Dunbar Margaret Jones Marianne Faithfull Marina Adams Mark Gilbey Mary Anne MacLean Mary Brunner Mary Elizabeth "Mimi" Smith Mary Hopkin Mary McCartney Mary Patricia Mohin Maureen Cox Max Jacobson May Pang Mia Farrow Michael McCartney Michael Nesmith Michael Palin Michael Stuart Michael White Michelle Le Vallier Mick Fleetwood Mick Jagger Micky Dolenz Mike Gibbins Mike Love Mo Astin Mohammed Chtaibi Mona Best Monika Pricken Monique Le Vallier Nancy Andrews Nancy Shevell Neil Aspinall Neil Innes Neil Young Nicholas Vartan Nick Mason Norman Chapman Norman Smith Olivia Arias Patricia Boyd Patricia Davies Patricia Krenwinkel Paul Tate Paul Wickens Paula Bennett Pauline Behan Pete Best Pete Ham Pete Shotton Peter Asher Peter Blake Peter Brown Peter Fonda Peter Hurkos Peter Sellers Peter Tork Phil MacDonald Phil Rogers Phil Spector Philip Cochrane Prudence Farrow Raquel Welch Ravi Shankar Ray McFall Raymond Jones Richard Asher Richard Condon Richard Desmond Richard Lester Richard Perry Richard Starkey Richard Starkey II Rick Wright Robert Brannon Robert de Grimston Robert Dunbar Robert Evans Robert Fraser Robert Stigwood Robert Whitaker Roger McGuinn Roger Waters Roman Polanski Ron Griffiths Ron Hughes Ron Richards Ron Stark Ron White Rosemary LaBianca Roy Dyke Roy Kinnear Roy Radin Russ Gibb Ruth Ann Moorehouse Ruth Lallemannd Ruth Morrison Sahrokh Hatami Sam Leach Sam Leach Sandra Cogan Saul Swimmer Sean Lennon Sean O'Mahony Sharon Tate Shelley Duvall Sir Lew Grade Stanislas Klossowski de Rola Stee Grogan Stella McCartney Stephanie La Motta Stephen Stills Steve Holly Steve Howard Steven parent Stuart Sutcliffe Susan Alpert Susan Atkins Syd Barrett Syd Coleman Sylvie Vartan Terry Doran Terry Gilliam Terry Melcher Thaddeus Richard Thelma Pickles Timothy Leary Tom Evans Tom McGrath Tom Petty Tom Scott Tommy Moore Tommy Steele Tony Barrow Tony Cox Tony Dorsey Tony Sheridan and the Jets Toshi Ichiyanagi Ty "Charles" O'Brien Vera Brown Victor Spinetti Vincent Bugliosi Violet Caldwell Vivian Stanshall Warren Beatty William Jennings Bryan William S Burroughs Winona Williams Wojciech Frykowski Yanni Alexis Mardas Yeisuke Ono Yoko Ono Yul Brynner Zak Starkey Zenjiro Yasuda
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Post by lbak on Dec 20, 2012 8:44:47 GMT -5
Julia Lennon was killed by a car driven by an "off duty policeman," who wasn't prosecuted. Numerous MI5 whistleblowers have spoken of assassination "hits" that are disguised as traffic accidents, often involving off or on duty cops. Why assume Julia Lennon's death was "natural" on this forum of all places? Stu Sutcliffe.....only 22 years old, has headaches, but the German doctors can find nothing wrong with him. Then suddenly he dies. The same doctors explain it as a burst aneurysm. No reason to assume this was a "natural death. www.sott.net/article/232912-Assassinations-by-induced-heart-attack-and-cancer
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 20, 2012 11:55:56 GMT -5
Julia Lennon was killed by a car driven by an "off duty policeman," who wasn't prosecuted. Numerous MI5 whistleblowers have spoken of assassination "hits" that are disguised as traffic accidents, often involving off or on duty cops. Why assume Julia Lennon's death was "natural" on this forum of all places? Stu Sutcliffe.....only 22 years old, has headaches, but the German doctors can find nothing wrong with him. Then suddenly he dies. The same doctors explain it as a burst aneurysm. No reason to assume this was a "natural death. www.sott.net/article/232912-Assassinations-by-induced-heart-attack-and-cancerFind for me in my post where i said her death was "natural". You may have misunderstood me. In a 5 year period, for 2 people to die "unnatural" deaths in a group of 2000 random individuals, those deaths would in the laws of probability be "expected". It would not be "unnatural" to have 2 deaths of unnatural causes happen in 5 years. This is where I think you've misunderstood what's being said. It would be an odd thing for me to say that getting hit by a car was "natural". I'd like you to find in my posts where I said anything like that. In the case of Stuart Sutcliffe, where the body has failed in a way necessary to keep the person alive, you get a 50/50 chance of the death being natural or unnatural. You'll find even in scientific terms, that Old Age is not a cause of death. The cause of death is the failure of the human body to keep the person alive. Now I have no doubt in my mind that Stuart Sutcliffe's death was due to some head trauma he suffered. Whether this was from a fight with hoodlums, or the story that John Lennon kicked him in the head is true, as it didn't instantly kill him, one would say his death was "natural", simply because the body failed to keep the person alive. Stuart's case is one of those issues of semantics andconjecture. Julia's is not. But do find me that portion of my post where I said their deaths were of natural causes. But I think you merely misunderstood what I was saying
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 21, 2012 9:07:50 GMT -5
Have to add a 9th person to that list of mysterious deaths. The death of Kevin MacDonald, co-owner of Sibylla's with Tara Browne. He died just weeks before Browne was killed himself in a car accident, by throwing himself off a roof. 15th October 1966. At the launch party of Sibylla's, all four Beatles attended.
Another added tale is that Marianne Faithfull stated that Tara Browne was high on LSD the night his car crashed, but the Coroner found no such evidence of drugs or alcohol in his system. Was this because there wasn't any, or because of Browne's family avoiding any controversy, as they were very wealthy and had influence. Just a question. Blowing his mind out in a car, with no illegal or legal substances to speak of, is quite a tale. Nevermind that both owners of Sibylla's were dead within weeks of eachother.
Also checking out the fiasco that is Seltaeb, and Nicky Byrne's account that he received phone calls before Epstein's death stating Epstein was going to die soon. This also fits in with David Jacob's death a year later and wanting police protection right before he was found hanging by his neck.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 21, 2012 9:25:11 GMT -5
Victim No.10
Alma Cogan (19 May 1932 – 26 October 1966)
Singer Anne Shelton attributed her friend Cogan's health decline to "highly experimental" injections she took to lose weight saying "after those injections, [Cogan] was never well again".
Must check out these highly experimental injections and where she got them from. That death would seem "unnatural" if the cancer was attributable to a lethal intake of drugs over time.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 21, 2012 9:26:26 GMT -5
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 21, 2012 10:00:45 GMT -5
Interesting. Haven't really started hitting the suspicious multiple deaths until getting past September 1966. Looking through 40 years prior (starting with the birth of George Martin) we don't start getting people throwing themselves off roofs, or dying in car accidents, or hanging from their neck until after ... Paul Is Dead.
Also interesting when you throw the Process Church in the mix. Marianne Faithfull walked away from them saying they were too Fascist. Then why does she insist Tara Browne was on LSD when he died. And why does Lennon allude to that as well. Especially when the recently reviewed coroner's report (when Tara's ex-wife Nicky Browne died back in June of this year) stated he had nothing in his system.
Also, 10% investor in Sibylla's was Harrison. Nothing suspicious in that as of yet, just interesting that the club opened in June, and its owners were both dead within 6 months.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 21, 2012 10:21:54 GMT -5
And what's THIS question someone asks???
Thanks for the great website. I have the following question: Near the end of the Yoko audio diary (June 4, 1968) engineer Phil McDonald asks George Martin whether The Beatles will ever play a live concert. Martin replies,"I dare say. Anyhere". Then, Peter Brown says, "except France". Why? Did something unpleasant happen?"
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 21, 2012 11:55:58 GMT -5
Interesting:
May 20 1967 Saturday Epstein temporarily leaves the Priory Hospital for an afternoon tea with Ringo and his family at their Weybridge house. John and George attend. Later, Brian returns to the clinic.
May 25, 1967 Thursday Brian leaves the Priory Hospital, in Putney, London, and returns home to Chapel Street. Evening: Brian attends a concert of Georgie Fame and Count Basie at the Royal Albert Hall, London. Brian announces a big party to be thrown at Kingsley Hill.
May 28, 1967 Sunday Epstein throws a party at Kingsley Hill. Guests, among others: John, George, Ringo and their wives; Lionel Bart, John Pritchard, Kenny Everett, Nat Weiss, Mick Jagger, Marianne Faithfull, Robert Stigwood, Derek Taylor and his wife Joan.
Don't want to read too much into this week, but noticing a trend. Brian's relationship with John, George and Ringo seems fine. It's Paul that keeps making no shows in Brian's world. It's not the first time I've noticed it. Paul seems "absent". But I just noted after seeing Brian admit himself to The Priory on the recommendation of psychologist John Flood, even with a no longer touring Beatles, and his functions as a manager for them diminished, in this final year of his life, he's remaining busy. He's trying to clean his act up, or at least straighten himself out. He's throwing parties, he's interested in signing bands and managing other acts. He's got his interests in the Savile Theatre. He's got a good number of film companies in place with partners (The agreement to do Yellow Submarine as a film takes place this year in fact.)
He's remaining busy. He may be "irritable, insomniac, stressed". But he's active. And it seems to me that having afternoon tea with Ringo, George and John one day, and then a party later that week, and those 3 are there as well, but Paul is nowhere in sight.
He lives in London, the other 3 live in Surrey. So the thing would be it was convenient for those 3 to meet at Ringo's house to talk with Brian after he left The Priory. It just seems to me that Brian had George, John and Ringo in his corner. Maybe I'm reading too much into that.
Or maybe not. Because when Epstein died, the 3 that were shocked and seemed grief stricken were -- George, John and Ringo. Paul McCartney kept right on working, business as usual. What's up with that???
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Post by lbak on Dec 21, 2012 22:57:48 GMT -5
He's got his interests in the Savile Theatre. A slip from from the unconscious mind perhaps? More correctly, the "Saville" Theater as opposed to "Savile" as in the late Jimmy Savile, known pedophile and facilitator for child sex rings. Was Brian Epstein interested in the Savile Theatre? There are rumours.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 22, 2012 12:38:09 GMT -5
He's got his interests in the Savile Theatre. A slip from from the unconscious mind perhaps? More correctly, the "Saville" Theater as opposed to "Savile" as in the late Jimmy Savile, known pedophile and facilitator for child sex rings. Was Brian Epstein interested in the Savile Theatre? There are rumours. On a personal level I would hope Brian Epstein never traveled that path. That's a hope. I never liked Jimmy Saville to begin with. I thought he was weird. But at this time, what can I say? There's so much evidence pointing to child prostitution rings from the very top to the very low. Just posted a thread about Tom Driberg, MP, and Aleister Crowley's favourite candidate to be The Beast in his succession. And I've read the rumours there about Driberg. And as said in that thread, Driberg contributed to periodical PRIVATE EYE (which is akin to The International Times in its foundation) - a periodical who has in a shareholder Jane Asher. I don't know. The Krays have been linked to child prostitution rings. Driberg was a friend of The Krays. It doesn't make him a pedophile being friends in that business. At the same time, with friends like these ....
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 22, 2012 12:39:18 GMT -5
But on a conscious note, Epstein was the leaseholder on the Savile Theatre for a time. That is actually a fact.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 22, 2012 13:00:32 GMT -5
And I don't mean to be presumptuous about Brian's "tastes", and this is also benefit of the doubt. But he doesn't strike me as the rent boy, child prostitution ring sort of guy. Driberg was linked to that, so what do I know honestly.
Brian strikes me as a man who liked men. But men who weren't nice to him. It's well documented that Lennon was especially cruel to Epstein, and really, reading about Lennon's life and times, he could be a very nasty person to people. Without cause it seems.
There's also the tale of Dizz Gillespie (not the bebop lord) and Epstein's relationship with him, which resulted in attache cases being stolen, and Epstein getting blackmailed to get the contents back. It seems to me, that Epstein's tastes leaned towards men who treated him bad. The classic good girl - bad boy scenario, just in the homosexual context.
But that's me being presumptuous about Epstein's tastes.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 22, 2012 13:22:31 GMT -5
Profumo Affair keeps coming up, whether timely or by association. Checked out if Christine Keeler and Paul McCartney were ever linked.
One way of linking them is: Keeler dated Warren Beatty. Beatty dated Linda Eastman. Eastman married McCartney.
That's one. There's also the report of McCartney taking Heather Mills away to Spring Cottage. Spring Cottage being the place Keeler and Profumo did the nasty. That's two.
Must check out Profumo - it's always been on the periphery.
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Post by lbak on Dec 22, 2012 21:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 23, 2012 4:38:57 GMT -5
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Dec 24, 2012 8:06:21 GMT -5
the carpenters - calling occupants of interplanetary craft
"please interstellar police man..." the camera cuts to karen saying that line, because they needed to. the shot of them in deep space by the piano was getting old. ... give us a sign that we've reached you." cue sgt pepper brass band and the mccartney oompa rhythm.
i may be wrong, but i think for a lot of people sgt pepper was a sign. like a psychic bridge, if you get my meaning. if an album is like a grimoire, and a song is a spell - sgt pepper was like common prayer. a very subtle thought, but it is my contribution.
consider the idea of 'messages' on beatles records. im sure everyone that gets into the music deep enough notices john sings about water a lot, that mccartney is always doing 'nostalgia' songs, george is alway trying to tell you about 'the secret', and ringo just wants to take a trip around the world by way of a kiss.
somewhere there is a message, for you. and maybe you've created that message because of your experiences. im sure phillip k dick's impression of the line "interstellar policeman" was considerably different than karen carpenter's. i wonder what freud's impression would have been had he observed the carpenters. i do like the eerie bridge no. 2 (or is it no. 3?) where they sing "we are your friends." like they werent weird enough. they had to go and they themselves out on the threshing floor. it was silly then, too.
you could describe what im talking about as a "sign of the times" situation. but there is another quality. i was at a party a few days ago, and i had some headphones hooked into a small radio i had in my pocket. its always an interesting thing to do because there is a lot of cognitive dissonance, especially if you are drinking wine. top 40 radio seems to be living by the book: "every man and woman is a star."
i uploaded this when the world was ending. leadbelly's last sessions vol. 1 - the a capella volume. leadbelly is very drunk by the end of this tape. and cruel:
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Dec 24, 2012 8:21:08 GMT -5
And not like, The Beatles liked Jimi Hendrix, so I put Jimi Hendrix in there. I'm talking business associates, former girlfriends, wives, kids, parents, peers and groups they did hang around with --- Abigail Folger Ali Akbar Khan Anton LaVey Bobby Beausoleil Carl Perkins Charles Tex Watson Donovan - fucking donovan... Kenneth Anger L. Ron Hubbard Leslie Van Houten Linda Kasabian Lou Adler Lynette Fromme Patricia Krenwinkel Robert de Grimston Rosemary LaBianca Sharon Tate Shelley Duvall Steven Parent Vincent Bugliosi ------- Thelma Pickles... explain yourself.
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Post by iameye on Dec 24, 2012 8:35:06 GMT -5
the carpenters - calling occupants of interplanetary craft"please interstellar police man..." the camera cuts to karen saying that line, because they needed to. the shot of them in deep space by the piano was getting old. ... give us a sign that we've reached you." cue sgt pepper brass band and the mccartney oompa rhythm. i may be wrong, but i think for a lot of people sgt pepper was a sign. like a psychic bridge, if you get my meaning. if an album is like a grimoire, and a song is a spell - sgt pepper was like common prayer. a very subtle thought, but it is my contribution. consider the idea of 'messages' on beatles records. im sure everyone that gets into the music deep enough notices john sings about water a lot, that mccartney is always doing 'nostalgia' songs, george is alway trying to tell you about 'the secret', and ringo just wants to take a trip around the world by way of a kiss. somewhere there is a message, for you. and maybe you've created that message because of your experiences. im sure phillip k dick's impression of the line "interstellar policeman" was considerably different than karen carpenter's. i wonder what freud's impression would have been had he observed the carpenters. i do like the eerie bridge no. 2 (or is it no. 3?) where they sing "we are your friends." like they werent weird enough. they had to go and they themselves out on the threshing floor. it was silly then, too. you could describe what im talking about as a "sign of the times" situation. but there is another quality. i was at a party a few days ago, and i had some headphones hooked into a small radio i had in my pocket. its always an interesting thing to do because there is a lot of cognitive dissonance, especially if you are drinking wine. top 40 radio seems to be living by the book: "every man and woman is a star." Pretty little policeman in a row See how I fly like Lucy in the Sky?If your Policeman be singular, your whole body will fill with Light. Consider the Probability
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Dec 24, 2012 9:18:09 GMT -5
And not like, The Beatles liked Jimi Hendrix, so I put Jimi Hendrix in there. I'm talking business associates, former girlfriends, wives, kids, parents, peers and groups they did hang around with --- Abigail Folger Ali Akbar Khan Anton LaVey Bobby Beausoleil Carl Perkins Charles Tex Watson Donovan - fucking donovan... Kenneth Anger L. Ron Hubbard Leslie Van Houten Linda Kasabian Lou Adler Lynette Fromme Patricia Krenwinkel Robert de Grimston Rosemary LaBianca Sharon Tate Shelley Duvall Steven Parent Vincent Bugliosi ------- Thelma Pickles... explain yourself. As to the reason why those people are included in a list assembling 2,000 random people either closely associated with, or can be linked to The Thing Called Beatles. Well, I suppose it's the same approach as taken when looking at those JF Kennedy Kills that happened within a 3 year period after his assassination. That list was comprised of journalists, associates, everyday average Joes, etc. www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdeaths.htmGo there please, and take a read of who is included in those deaths. But they were all in somehow, someway linked back to the assassination itself. It's not a full list, but you can go here docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjAk1JUWDMyRdDFSU3NVd29xWWNyekd2X1ZJYllKTnc#gid=1Same approach here then. Anything Helter Skelter/Charles Manson, HAS to be included. It's intrinsically linked to Beatles simply by association alone. That Manson may have even met a beatle or two cannot be ruled out. It is very possible he did. You would not have Manson without Beatles. So I have to include the names of those involved, especially Sharon Tate and Susan Atkins. Abigail Folger Her connections regardless of her murder puts her in a place where it is more than likely she knew her murderers. Ali Akbar Khan By association with George Harrison/Ravi Shankar. Anton LaVey Church of Satan leader has to be included. He just has to. Bobby Beausoleil Again, anything Manson has to be included. Carl Perkins Friends with George. Charles Tex Watson Manson. Donovan - Very much hanging around The Beatles after 1966. Kenneth Anger Have to include Anger. Have to. L. Ron Hubbard You have to include Hubbard. Too many scientology links come up when looking into PID. Leslie Van Houten Manson Linda Kasabian Manson Lou Adler He comes up when researching the history of The Beatles day by day, but it would anyway with Monterey Pop, which had as its board of directors McCartney and Melcher. Lynette Fromme Manson Patricia Krenwinkel Manson Robert de Grimston Process Church. They cannot be ignored concerning Beatles. Rosemary LaBianca Manson Sharon Tate Manson + Polanski + Witchcraft Shelley Duvall Dated Ringo Starr!! Steven Parent Manson Vincent Bugliosi Manson. Thelma Pickles Dated Lennon. As said this is anyone and everyone who comes up in reference to BEATLES within a 50 to 60 year span. To gather 2,000 names takes awhile. But all of these people, if you type in Beatles + ........... will come up with something having to do with them, went to parties with them, or just basically are part of group or small circle of 2,000 random individuals who are in this story. I started in 1926 with the birth of George Martin. I will go up to at least 2001 with the death of George Harrison, but already it's showing me that I can stop with the death of John Lennon in 1980, and I'd already have an absurd amount of suicides, murders, car accidents and generally a sense of people were getting whacked mob-style if you knew a Beatle or 3. Also have to research into the Yoko Ono Audio Diarys from 4th June 1968, where its learned The Beatles, or at least two of them had code names. Harrison's being FRANCE. Lennon's being ITALY. My guess is this is based on going one letter back from their first names, and assigning a country (and or town) to it. IE (F)rance = (G)eorge (I)taly = (J)ohn I do not know the codenames for Paul or Ringo. Assumption would be (O) = (P)aul. Gosh wonder if it would be OSIRIS (Q) = (R)ingo. And that makes me want to hear other times they reference countries, like in "We shall have to call France tomorrow." or "Before we go ahead, let's go to Italy". It's something to watch out for in audio diaries/recordings when Apple/Beatles didn't want you to know who someone was talking about.
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