Best PID / PWR Books? (or Websites?)

[iwilliam]

I've recently done a bit of searching, and I'm looking for some opinions. Regarding books (Website discussion is below):

What are the best books on the topic of PID / PWR that you've come across? I've seen a handful of them out there-- some looking more thorough and/or credible than others. Before I drop some cash on something, opinions from those who have looked would be nice.

The 2 most common / popular ones seem to be:

"Turn Me On, Dead Man" by Andru J. Reeve

and

"The Walrus Was Paul." by R. Gary Patterson.


I should add those seem to be two of the most common printed books. There seem to be a few more e-book format only books floating around out there.

I read through a good bit of "Turn Me On..." on google preview, and it does look to contain a lot of good (and somewhat obscure) info, despite being written from what seems to be a skeptic's prospective. I'm thinking of grabbing an e-copy for my kindle.

Likewise, for e-books, "The Sgt. Pepper Code" has caught my attention more than a couple times, and I wouldn't mind checking that one out either.

Opinions from anyone, would be greatly welcomed and appreciated.




Regarding websites.... that one seems a bit trickier. This is actually just about the best PID site/forum I've come across. It's members are super knowledgeable, and it is certainly one of the most active. Not to mention that we seem to have a considerably smaller percentage of the "fringe" theorists and straight-up crazies here. lol

However, having other resources doesn't hurt, either.

Next to this one, pid.hoop.la seems to have some good stuff.

Likewise the Plastic Macca blog /forum run by the same person.

There is, of course the IAAP blog for some lesser-known info and weird connections...

TKIN... well... they do have some good stuff there... but also seemingly a lot of "Sir Paul is really an alien robot from the future and SO IS EVERYONE ELSE!" type stuff. lol

The "Rigorous Intuition" forum (strange, but cool place) has one rather long thread about the PID phenomenon, which was a good read. I'll see if I can supply a link later.

And also, the David Icke forum, has a VERY LONG thread about PID. Found here: www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8100



So what are your recommendations for other decent sources for PID /PWR related info?

[linus]

Jan 26, 2013 17:53:33 GMT -5 iwilliam said:

So what are your recommendations for other decent sources for PID /PWR related info?

To be blunt: there aren’t any.

The Sgt. Pepper Code is an excellent read. It’s by the active NIR member, Beacon. He does not believe in PID/PWR, so that is not investigated in his book. It delves mainly into the possible occult ties to the Beatles.

If you want a real suggestion, I recommend not completely writing off theories that you so far consider “crazy”. They do seem crazy at first, and you are free to believe what you want, but pay attention to how all-to-well they sync up, etc. And thinking outside the box doesn't automatically make you crazy, if the evidence is there and you're remaining realistic. Especially when the previously investigated premises aren't adding up. Sure, some folks make some outlandish claims without adequately backing them up, but to be fair, so do many PIDers, particularly the prominent ones.

Those staggeringly-unthorough, self-contradictory, highly-limited, extremely-biased PID sites and books aren’t going to answer any of your questions, and will keep you going in circles until you get burned out. - Unless you're asking the wrong questions, as most PIDers have been doing all these years.

As mulitverse said a few days ago, “I do not think this is as simple as Original Paul replaced by one Faul. That's too simplistic, in my opinion.”
This goes far beyond a guy in a band being replaced. People are now seeing that the whole Beatles universe falls under it's own mystery. As mulitverse also said, “The Beatles Mystery, as I'm now fond of calling the whole thing...”

[iwilliam]

Thanks for your take on things. I do really hope someone has a different opinion though (about other halfway decent sources existing). Though I admit that the reason I'm asking is my lack of coming up with much, myself, heh.

I assume (unfairly or not) that you made the comment about not dismissing what might seem to be "crazy" theories in response to my comment about TKIN.

To clarify: When I first heard about the PID phenomenon, many many years ago, my initial reaction was something akin to scoffing laughter. I'm sure many highly rational people react similarly. I believe my initial introduction was as a kid, reading about "backmasking" phenomenon. And since most (non-christian) studies of "backmasking" are often written from a highly skeptical point of view, I think I may have even been "primed" for disbelief.

After looking into the issue on my own, I started to change my tune. It soon became clear to me that there was something to this stuff. Some real basis, whatever might be behind it.

I have entertained the idea that Paul may have died and been replaced. I entertained the idea such a think might not necessitate the original's death. I've speculated about 2 pauls existing, switching off.... I've even entertained the idea that one or more of the other Beatles may have been replaced. I've entertained the notion that they may have been agents of social change sponsored by Tavistock, or something similar...

And I most definitely have entertained the notion that this might be Occult, death- and-rebirth symbolism, etc. (One of the reasons I've been drawn to Pepper Code...) I actually think there are some things that make that idea highly plausible. Though i don't think this idea has to be the totality of the phenomenon, but could be "part of" the plot.

That being said, however, I have seen people make some claims which I find to be ridiculous. And truly worthy of ridicule, even. If it's a far-out theory with no proof either way... I'd be more likely to ignore it than anything. But I've heard people make speculations based on the thinnest, and dumbest of evidence.

"Well you see... Phil Ackrill starts with a 'p' and so does 'paul' and then 'MAC'cartney and 'ACK'rill sound kinda alike... thus, i am certain they are one and the same."

I jest.. and I don't mean to dismiss theories regarding Ackrill either. That was purely illustrative. You want an example of the kind of stuff I find over-the-top? The best example I can think of off the top of my head is not a PID site, but it does relate to replacements/doubles.

www.wellaware1.com/

He/she seems to think anyone who looks remotely alike is a double.

Robert Blake and Pope Benedict XVI are the same person, according to this site. (I'll admit a couple of the pic comparisons on that one are eerily similar.) However for another one, Jay Carney = Kevin Bacon (they look NOTHING alike... unless you're legally half-blind, have your glasses of, are squinting, and on some pretty awesome drugs.)

Nelson Mandella is Morgan Freeman, of course. (Hey, at least those two look somewhat alike)

Henry Winkler (the Fonz) is Sirhan Sirhan, the assassin.

Alice Cooper is Steve Carell.

Tina Fey is Sarah Palin and both also just happen to be characters played by a woman named "Jennifer Greenberg Sexton" who happens to play many many different roles.

According to him, one actor will tend to play tons of roles. Pretty much anyone who looks remotely alike, or even not, from what I've seen. Busy folks, apparently.

That sort of stuff, IMO, is pretty damn far over the top.

[linus]

Jan 26, 2013 21:18:34 GMT -5 iwilliam said:

I assume (unfairly or not) that you made the comment about not dismissing what might seem to be "crazy" theories in response to my comment about TKIN

Hehe, no, I was referring to things you may have read here at NIR. In the same breath I disparaged the unthorough works of prominent PIDers (SunKing, PlasticMacca, Litlenutrino). I was under the impression that you weren't open to the idea that there was anything more than just a replaced musician on our hands, (it would be nice to know it was something that simple). I wouldn't want to see anybody have that narrow a vision - and write things off before ever looking into them.

As far as the ‘alien robot from the future’ thing: Sure, don’t jump on board those kinds of things. For that matter, don’t jump on board anything, even PIA or PID, without adequate evidence. And of course nobody wants to believe those kinds of things, but in rare cases when compelling evidence has been provided, at least be open to it. I only say this because you seem so dedicated to reading up on PID. Let me ask you this; if somebody put together a well-written book on the Beatles being robot aliens, would you read it? Is it too esoteric? Too fringe?
I guess everyone has to start somewhere, and I’m not being judgmental, just remember to always be thorough, unbiased, and open to anything that provides enough sound evidence, when researching anything.


And yes, I have read the wellaware site . I have even done some work debunking their claims. Facepalm city!

[JeremyHBoob]

I've always asked myself "Why is it that i'm so enthralled by the Beatles?" I've listened to the Beatles for my entire life, they had this charm about them that no other musical group had. Eventually this led me to PID and Iamaphoney. How is it that one band can conjure up so much mythology and mystery over just a 10 year period? I do believe the Beatles were magical, i do believe they are apart of a larger scale and that through their music they were sending us a message.

"Open up your eyes now, tell me what you see."

[iwilliam]

Jan 27, 2013 1:05:26 GMT -5 linus said:

Let me ask you this; if somebody put together a well-written book on the Beatles being robot aliens, would you read it? Is it too esoteric? Too fringe?

If it was truly well thought-out, laid out, thoroughly explained (with at least somewhat reasonable corroboration) then sure, I'd be willing to take a look.

Given my present financial situation, I'd be admittedly reluctant to drop much money on such a thing, unless it was an amazing theory, and/or had some pretty rave reviews.

[JeremyHBoob]

Jan 27, 2013 13:58:25 GMT -5 iwilliam said:

Jan 27, 2013 1:05:26 GMT -5 linus said:

Let me ask you this; if somebody put together a well-written book on the Beatles being robot aliens, would you read it? Is it too esoteric? Too fringe?

If it was truly well thought-out, laid out, thoroughly explained (with at least somewhat reasonable corroboration) then sure, I'd be willing to take a look.

Given my present financial situation, I'd be admittedly reluctant to drop much money on such a thing, unless it was an amazing theory, and/or had some pretty rave reviews.

Oh, but the Beatles are already robots!

Give it a few years and you won't be able to tell the difference