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Aug 11, 2006 16:21:37 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 11, 2006 16:21:37 GMT -5
It's very telling when you guys can't argue the topic at hand, you first try to change the subject... but I'm not playin' that game... so the next step is to attack somebody.
This is exactly like the recent Charlie Sheen 9-11 deal.... nobody will debate the facts with him... only attack him personally. There's another guy who's got a million dollar offer for anybody who can show the The Scholars For 9-11 Truth evidence is bogus. Nobody is taking him up on that deal either...& nobody wants to debate Sheen.... all they can do is fire off personal attacks.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
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Aug 11, 2006 16:26:59 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 11, 2006 16:26:59 GMT -5
all they can do is fire off personal attacks. SOUND FAMILIAR? Yes, it does!
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Aug 11, 2006 16:32:17 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 11, 2006 16:32:17 GMT -5
Blue isn't red, 6 isn't 9, and Paul wasn't replaced unless it's proven otherwise. The '66/'67 LSD video isn't proof of anything. It obviously shows 2 VERY different people... in every way. I've got lots of old friends who've grown up with The Beatles & worship The Beatles.... The Beatles are sacred to all of them. They don't believe JPM died in 66... that's fine. But when they're shown enough pictures or just these 2 interviews alone, at least they are honest enough to admit that there does seem to be 2 different people claiming to be Paul.. They still don't think he died 40yrs ago, but they're honest enough to admit it when they see something that isn't right about "Paul". It it beyond me how anybody could watch those 2 interviews & not come away with questions. You guys could learn a thing or 2 about perception from my ol'beatle-worshipping friends.
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Aug 11, 2006 16:35:14 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 11, 2006 16:35:14 GMT -5
FP... show me anywhere that we have called one of you guys out by name & attacked you personally.
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Aug 11, 2006 16:38:23 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 11, 2006 16:38:23 GMT -5
Blue isn't red, 6 isn't 9, and Paul wasn't replaced unless it's proven otherwise. The '66/'67 LSD video isn't proof of anything. It obviously shows 2 VERY different people... in every way. I've got lots of old friends who've grown up with The Beatles & worship The Beatles.... The Beatles are sacred to all of them. They don't believe JPM died in 66... that's fine. But when they're shown enough pictures or just these 2 interviews alone, at least they are honest enough to admit that there does seem to be 2 different people claiming to be Paul.. They still don't think he died 40yrs ago, but they're honest enough to admit it when they see something that isn't right about "Paul". It it beyond me how anybody could watch those 2 interviews & not come away with questions. You guys could learn a thing or 2 about perception from my ol'beatle-worshipping friends. Like I said, if it's that obvious, call the news paper. Or a news channel, doesn't matter.
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Aug 11, 2006 17:06:29 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 11, 2006 17:06:29 GMT -5
FP... show me anywhere that we have called one of you guys out by name & attacked you personally. Well, for one, I don't like being compared to Bush a supporter. And I take it personally when someone says "nice photoshop job!", or being called cheaters.
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Aug 11, 2006 17:16:28 GMT -5
Post by SF on Aug 11, 2006 17:16:28 GMT -5
Blue isn't red, 6 isn't 9, and Paul wasn't replaced unless it's proven otherwise. The '66/'67 LSD video isn't proof of anything. It obviously shows 2 VERY different people... in every way. I've got lots of old friends who've grown up with The Beatles & worship The Beatles.... The Beatles are sacred to all of them. They don't believe JPM died in 66... that's fine. But when they're shown enough pictures or just these 2 interviews alone, at least they are honest enough to admit that there does seem to be 2 different people claiming to be Paul.. They still don't think he died 40yrs ago, but they're honest enough to admit it when they see something that isn't right about "Paul". It it beyond me how anybody could watch those 2 interviews & not come away with questions. You guys could learn a thing or 2 about perception from my ol'beatle-worshipping friends. Honestly, I don't blame you for seeing two different people there. When I was first exposed to PID, the LSD interview really made me wonder. But since then, I have personally worked with it, and managed to match frames of it up with numerous pre-67 pictures, as well as compare it to some other videos. I now firmly believe it is indeed Paul in that video.
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Aug 11, 2006 17:55:11 GMT -5
Post by DarkHorse on Aug 11, 2006 17:55:11 GMT -5
The fact is that JPM has always been JPM, and the whole world (minus 12) knows it. Then why are we so important to you for you to spend so much time here(and in the past, also) debating this if it's only 12 people? Why care about what we are doing? If you're so confident in what you believe you wouldn't worry about what a few people on the internet are doing.
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Aug 11, 2006 18:19:08 GMT -5
Post by il ras on Aug 11, 2006 18:19:08 GMT -5
DH, you literally stole the words from my mouth!
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Aug 11, 2006 18:26:57 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Aug 11, 2006 18:26:57 GMT -5
The fact is that JPM has always been JPM, and the whole world (minus 12) knows it. Then why are we so important to you for you to spend so much time here(and in the past, also) debating this if it's only 12 people? Why care about what we are doing? If you're so confident in what you believe you wouldn't worry about what a few people on the internet are doing. Right, I wonder about that as well. TKIN comes up on occasion on the Paul McCartney official forum, and people just laugh, the thread dies, etc. They wouldn't even waste their time on discussing it. If you were to introduce yourselves there as a group who is fighting the PWR idea, you might even be considered more misguided than us? In other words, they know we're crazy, why do you care? Call in the press? Nah, let them do their own work..
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Aug 12, 2006 6:55:34 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 12, 2006 6:55:34 GMT -5
The fact is that JPM has always been JPM, and the whole world (minus 12) knows it. Then why are we so important to you for you to spend so much time here(and in the past, also) debating this if it's only 12 people? Why care about what we are doing? If you're so confident in what you believe you wouldn't worry about what a few people on the internet are doing. I just see PIA as on opportunity to do what I like, which would be comparing people's faces. I like comparing young to old, parents to their children, before and after shots, whatever it is. I'm interested in people's facial structure, and I have been ever since I was a little kid. Before Paul, I had this fascination with comparing pics of Michael Jackson so I could see how much plastic surgery he had. ;D Anyway, I'm going away for a week, you guys probably think I need a break anyway. Peace.
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Aug 12, 2006 7:58:04 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Aug 12, 2006 7:58:04 GMT -5
Then why are we so important to you for you to spend so much time here(and in the past, also) debating this if it's only 12 people? Why care about what we are doing? If you're so confident in what you believe you wouldn't worry about what a few people on the internet are doing. I just see PIA as on opportunity to do what I like, which would be comparing people's faces. I like comparing young to old, parents to their children, before and after shots, whatever it is. I'm interested in people's facial structure, and I have been ever since I was a little kid. Before Paul, I had this fascination with comparing pics of Michael Jackson so I could see how much plastic surgery he had. ;D Anyway, I'm going away for a week, you guys probably think I need a break anyway. Peace. We enjoy your points, and your fades. Wel, at least, I do. Well, at least, I have GROWN to. Of course, originally maybe not so much, 'cause I tended to see any PIA'er as an aggressive, narrow-minded, judgemental, temperamental, opinionated so and so. But over the course of these 3 long years, I came to realize that I was calling the kettle a pot, and really I am the one wo is often the real aggressive, narrow-minded, judgemental, temperamental, opinionated so and so.. That being said, I realized that your passion for it was just an aspect of your mind and talents and proclivities, and deserved just as much full expression as anyone else here. Which leads to me to admit that your ideas are interesting, and your fades always have an element that should be noticed. Now, I am no more converted away from PWR than the man on the moon, but I do think that, since PIA is the lingua franca of the pop music world, I might as well see it for it's positive aspects, of which I now deem it has many. I shan't name them here, but in general we all feel it, or something related to PIA. In a symbolic way. Enjoy your vacation, but please return to haunt our doors. Faces are fascinating because they are a sort of biological house in which the reasoning and spiritual parts of a person live. At least, I have never thought that I was inside my kneecaps or toes. The face is the interface which we are given to meet the other human mind units creeping the planet. The eyes are the Windows XP of the soul. The 12 of us that "know" (I say in cautious parentheses) are such a small number.That is roughly one person for every 500 million people alive. I guess we are i/500,000,000 of the total, or about .00000000012% of the world population. You math whizzes will note my error there and feel free to correct it. As far as Michael Jackson's (seeming and implicit) surgeries go, which he manly derides, or rather, mainly denies, I think it is a safe bet to say that he's been cosmetically hacked more than a Halloween pumpkin, though that might help to explain his current nose configuration. MJ WAS the best R&B pop solo male act going for a number of years, there is no denying that. Even his detractors confess his talent. Behind the marred visage stemming from his self-indulgent cosmetic "forrays", there is still a talented, sensitive and troubled soul......IMO. fp, thanks for your time spent at the boards.
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Aug 12, 2006 12:26:50 GMT -5
Post by lili on Aug 12, 2006 12:26:50 GMT -5
FP, I hope you have a good vacation. Everyone needs a break. My poor hubby was forced to use his vacation time in the hospital. Such is life. Doc, I know what you mean. I'm pretty sure that Michael Jackson was introduced to plastic surgery by "Paul". It's a real shame what he's done to himself.
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Aug 13, 2006 4:48:39 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Aug 13, 2006 4:48:39 GMT -5
FP, I hope you have a good vacation. Everyone needs a break. My poor hubby was forced to use his vacation time in the hospital. Such is life. Doc, I know what you mean. I'm pretty sure that Michael Jackson was introduced to plastic surgery by "Paul". It's a real shame what he's done to himself. If only MJ had STOPPED during the "Beat It","Thriller" phase, he'd still have a nose for hit songs. It comes from looking in the mirror TOO much and finding more and more little things to be unhappy with in one's appearance. Michael, BREAK the mirror, baby, quit looking. The world LOVED you just the way you were.
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Aug 13, 2006 7:18:35 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 13, 2006 7:18:35 GMT -5
I'm still waitin' for my Katrina benefit song! Or as Laura Bush would say... Corrina benefit song. Isn't Michael runnin a little late on this one? Ya, yer right Doc, he just doesn't have a nose for hits any more.
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Aug 13, 2006 14:39:23 GMT -5
Post by noodles on Aug 13, 2006 14:39:23 GMT -5
These match up remarkably well. There are a few differences. The left side of the face (your right) grows outwards in the later picture. Also that line of skin above his left eyebrow changes postition quite drastically. Obviously the shoulders move too. These are the two images used in the fade Source photo for the early picture There are a number of differences between this copy of the image and the one used in the fade. In the fade image the dark mark by Paul's ear has disappeared. The black line below it and the shape of his neck has changed. A black mark on the right side of his jaw has appeared. The shadow under his mouth has changed. And an area on the left side of his face has been painted out. Now watch his mouth Also his jaw narrows on both sides. Second source image Source image matched with fade image. Watch his mouth. Not only has the mouth been moved but the picture has been squashed a little and the brightnest/contrast heavily adjusted. Here I've made the source image greyscale and adjusted the brightness/contrast to get closer to the fade image. The left corner of his left eye (your right) moves up and down.
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Aug 13, 2006 15:14:14 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 13, 2006 15:14:14 GMT -5
That white album pic isn't our Bill, my guess is that it's a morph, but if that's the case, it sure looks like it's closer to JPM than Bill, a lot closer. But it certainly isn't all Bill.
Of course I'm just goin' by what my eyes tell me.... I don't see much of Bill in that pic.
Anybody else?
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Aug 13, 2006 16:40:40 GMT -5
Post by il ras on Aug 13, 2006 16:40:40 GMT -5
Noodles, GREAT JOB!
I think that, if you go through other PIA fades, you'll find similar examples of that kind of "modifications"
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Aug 13, 2006 19:26:09 GMT -5
Post by ReallyReallyDead on Aug 13, 2006 19:26:09 GMT -5
These match up remarkably well. There are a few differences. The left side of the face (your right) grows outwards in the later picture. Also that line of skin above his left eyebrow changes postition quite drastically. Obviously the shoulders move too. PIAers, look closely... Paul's lips are bigger, his nose is bigger, differently shaped with larger nostrils, and slightly shorter. The eyes look different. And look at their right (our left) eyes! Bills eyeball is closer to his nose.
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Aug 13, 2006 19:42:13 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 13, 2006 19:42:13 GMT -5
I think it's the eye spacing that throws me off when I look at that White album pic. That's one of the few pics that isn't instantly recognizable to me.
Do y'all see Bill in that pic? If so... I guess it's just me.
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Aug 14, 2006 11:10:13 GMT -5
Post by beatlies on Aug 14, 2006 11:10:13 GMT -5
It's been established that the white album glossy photo of McCartney is a doctored hybrid/composite of a JPM photo and a Faul photo. So if PWNR's show a fade with that photo they are working with a false, tampered "JPM" photo to begin with.
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Aug 14, 2006 20:26:04 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Aug 14, 2006 20:26:04 GMT -5
The left corner of his left eye (your right) moves up and down. Nice work, noodles! Loose lips sink ships.
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Aug 15, 2006 10:35:07 GMT -5
Post by lili on Aug 15, 2006 10:35:07 GMT -5
That is so cool. I love the way his lips move ! ;D
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Aug 15, 2006 18:08:24 GMT -5
Post by atd on Aug 15, 2006 18:08:24 GMT -5
Excellent work, Noodles! Please note how lens distorted this picture is.. Close up camera shots with a 35mm lens produce severe distortion such as this, causing the face to narrow and the nose to lengthen, relative to a non or lesser distorted picture.(Yes,yes FP, I know it's a different angle, but that's the point) It's one technique the madhouse folks use to get a close 'match' with a naturally narrow faced, longer nosed, Faul. You, of course, have found one of the other techniques used... Another one is using pictures that hide one or both sets of ears..this enables them to use pictures where Paul is tilting his head further down to match up with a Faul pic with his head tilted further up. Paul 's nose becomes apparently longer and Fauls nose becomes apparently shorter. The ears are the key to the mix-up.. Note the actual vertical position of Faul's ears in this compare. and then note how this pic, ummm, matches, with your unaltered pic of Paul.. This is why a certain plastic surgeon has recently asserted that Sir Paul has had his ears lowered.. Once again, well done. Ps. to be fair the pic of !Paul at Mike McGears wedding was highly lens distorted..
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Aug 17, 2006 9:08:26 GMT -5
Post by ggee on Aug 17, 2006 9:08:26 GMT -5
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