Anyone have a time line of Paul,Will,Bill,Phil.......

[maxedison]

   I am new here but it looks as though you all have been here for quite a while and have knowledge.
   I was wondering if any of you put the names to the various Fauls. There have been thoughts of Willy Campbell,
Billy shears, Phil Akrill, Denny laine.... on and on. But has any one thought to actually name the different faces and see when
they show up, disappear and reappear.
   On a side note...Is there a way to find the old posts by Apollo C Vermouth? Seems he may have been Neil Aspinal who it was rumored
may have been Paul himself or at least played Paul for a while.
  

[ramone]

Hi,
I would imagine most of those letters might remain private.

But, here's something to chew on -

ACV encouraged:
look into the hidden meanings of "Sixpence."
apply to 'Cry Baby Cry'.

And:
'One of the first video clues presented to the masses was in the form of the "Ballroom Dancing" portion of MMT. Aired on BBC television. In 'black and white," no less.'



Does Ballroom Dancing and, say, Flowers in the Dirt  call to mind anything?

Some CBC:

Cry baby cry

Make your mother sigh

She's old enough to know better -
The king of marigold was in the kitchen

Cooking breakfast for the queen

The queen was in the parlor

Playing piano for the children of the king
Cry baby cry

Make your mother sigh

She's old enough to know better

So cry baby cry


Sixpence:
Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye.
Four and twenty blackbirds,
Baked in a pie.

When the pie was opened,
The birds began to sing;
Wasn't that a dainty dish,
To set before the king?

The king was in his counting house,
Counting out his money;
The queen was in the parlour,
Eating bread and honey.

The maid was in the garden,
Hanging out the clothes,
When down came a blackbird
And pecked off her nose.[1]

They sent for the king's doctor,
who sewed it on again;
He sewed it on so neatly,
the seam was never seen.
(or)
There was such a commotion,
that little Jenny wren
Flew down into the garden,
and put it back again. (Wiki)


Ballroom,
Flowers
Blackbird
Your mother should know
Jenny wren

Think there hasn't been any referencing, even as of late?
(yeah, I know there's another ref for jenny, but hey...)

Have fun!!

[maxedison]

   More Riddles.
   Cry Baby Cry and Sing a song of Sixpence do seem to be the same song revamped.
   Wikipedia doesn't have much to say about Sing a Song of Sixpence. It started with the
first 4 lines but had 4 and 20 naughty boys baked in a pie. It grew from there over time.
Just goes to show that wikipedia sucks.
  Snopes says it was a song about blackbeard, and the Birds in a pie were his crew lying in wait to attack a ship.
  His ship was named the Queen Anne's Revenge. The Queen in the parlor....Getting prepaired.
  The Maid in the garden..... The ship to be taken and location of ship. Blackbird nipping the nose was the attack.

  John and Pauls meaning in Cry Baby Cry is anyones guess. The song itself seems incomplete. You expect that "Cry
baby cry, make your mother sigh. Old enough to know better" may indicate a baby either born out of wedlock or from
The wrong daddy.  You Mama should know who your Papa is.......
  Being someone who knows some music and has writers in the family....When you write a song there is some meaning behind it.
  Words do not mearly fall like endless rain into a paper cup. There is a thought behind the words.
  I get the fact that Paul was wearing a black rose and he was given flowers. I also can tell that the "Paul" of MMT was not the Paul of 1962-64.
 He was also not the "Paul" from the Kenya trip or the "Paul" from the 67 interview about LSD.
 Looking at timeline pictures... The "Paul" from 58 does not look like the "Paul" from 62-64. He actually looks more like the "Paul"
from the mid 70's.

[Deleted]

She's old enough to know better.

[maxedison]

If she knows.....She's not telling either....

[beacon]

Oct 10, 2014 14:22:49 GMT -5 ramone said:

Hi,
I would imagine most of those letters might remain private.

But, here's something to chew on -

ACV encouraged:
look into the hidden meanings of "Sixpence."
apply to 'Cry Baby Cry'.

And:
'One of the first video clues presented to the masses was in the form of the "Ballroom Dancing" portion of MMT. Aired on BBC television. In 'black and white," no less.'



Does Ballroom Dancing and, say, Flowers in the Dirt  call to mind anything?

Ok, my take is this; 'Sing a song of sixpence' was a CODED message to entice pirates to join up with Blackbeard's ship. 'Cry Baby Cry' has a lyrical style similar to that of 'Sing a song of sixpence' therefore Apollo was urging us to see 'Cry Baby Cry' also as a CODED message. The outro to 'Cry Baby Cry' features the short 'Can you take me back?' segment written by McCartney. Apollo wants us to believe that McCartney, having left the band, is seeking to return.

Obviously, that is just my opinion!

As to Ballroom Dancing and Flowers in the dirt I've got nothing other than the obvious black carnation reference.

What is your take Ramone and do you have any more ACV gems?

[maxedison]

Let's all get up and dance to a song that was a hit
before your mother was born...Sing a song of sixpence.
Your mother should know.....She's old enogh to know better.
I get the connection between the two songs.
Still a riddle leading to a riddle.
Seems more like a child born out of wedlock than anything else.
Doesn't lead to who, what, where, or why.
It is obvious that there were at least 2 different "Pauls" in MMT
None of them the original (If there ever was an original).
Even if Paul and Faul were (Half)brothers no need for The plastic Pauls.
I have seen a picture that looks a lot like Faul when younger.
He could have passed for Paul without makeup or surgery. Better
than any of them in MMT.

[ramone]

Oct 13, 2014 5:57:40 GMT -5 beacon said:

Oct 10, 2014 14:22:49 GMT -5 ramone said:

Hi,
I would imagine most of those letters might remain private.

But, here's something to chew on -

ACV encouraged:
look into the hidden meanings of "Sixpence."
apply to 'Cry Baby Cry'.

And:
'One of the first video clues presented to the masses was in the form of the "Ballroom Dancing" portion of MMT. Aired on BBC television. In 'black and white," no less.'



Does Ballroom Dancing and, say, Flowers in the Dirt  call to mind anything?

Ok, my take is this; 'Sing a song of sixpence' was a CODED message to entice pirates to join up with Blackbeard's ship. 'Cry Baby Cry' has a lyrical style similar to that of 'Sing a song of sixpence' therefore Apollo was urging us to see 'Cry Baby Cry' also as a CODED message. The outro to 'Cry Baby Cry' features the short 'Can you take me back?' segment written by McCartney. Apollo wants us to believe that McCartney, having left the band, is seeking to return.

Obviously, that is just my opinion!

As to Ballroom Dancing and Flowers in the dirt I've got nothing other than the obvious black carnation reference.

What is your take Ramone and do you have any more ACV gems?

Well, we could take sixpence as it is if we want - a nursery rhyme.
And that's fine.
Or, it could be taken as something else.

Hidden meanings about real kings or Blackbeards?

Birds that suddenly pop out to sing for the masses.
(and your bird can sing!)
A lot of work for the purpose of entertaining.
Thru money and rye these 'birds' were attracted into all this.

Things that are representational or possibly so.

CBC -
could we view the children as the Lads?
the king as EMI/ G. Martin?
the queen as? (take a guess - it's not hard)

So, again - You could name an album or song or whatever anything.
Ballroom Dancing
Flowers in the Dirt
Blackbird
Your mother should know
Jenny wren

Just all mere coincidence? If not -
why all this prompting to look back again?

Ringo is pasted onto someone else on a particular album cover.
He wasn't too obvious was he?
(hint - pic to your left)
All just fun? Serious?
A little of both?

Jumpstart the subtle beat of a dialogue? Or keep it going if it's there?

[beacon]

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Oct 13, 2014 5:57:40 GMT -5 beacon said:

Ok, my take is this; 'Sing a song of sixpence' was a CODED message to entice pirates to join up with Blackbeard's ship. 'Cry Baby Cry' has a lyrical style similar to that of 'Sing a song of sixpence' therefore Apollo was urging us to see 'Cry Baby Cry' also as a CODED message. The outro to 'Cry Baby Cry' features the short 'Can you take me back?' segment written by McCartney. Apollo wants us to believe that McCartney, having left the band, is seeking to return.

Obviously, that is just my opinion!

As to Ballroom Dancing and Flowers in the dirt I've got nothing other than the obvious black carnation reference.

What is your take Ramone and do you have any more ACV gems?

I shall stick with my original hypothesis that this is a reference to hunting down the hidden, coded, meanings that lurk within Beatles material, be it solo or collectively.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Well, we could take sixpence as it is if we want - a nursery rhyme.
And that's fine.
Or, it could be taken as something else.

So, the above is beseeching us to look for the hidden meanings in ‘Sing a song of sixpence’; they are, as previously stated, that the song is a lure to mercenaries to join Blackbeards band of pirates.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Hidden meanings about real kings or Blackbeards?

Ringo had an album that was called Ringo the 4th and features him on the cover as a mock King – complete with black beard – with scantily clad model draped around his shoulders whilst wearing a dinner jacket and bow tie replete with sword and, intriguingly, a pentagram necklace and ring. The ring was given to Ringo by his then girlfriend Nancy Lee Andrews. The album features a song called ‘Wings’. The Beatle with Wings, of course, is McCartney who had previously written the song ‘Blackbird’. In the lyrics to the song ‘Blackbird’ they mention; Take these broken WINGS and learn to fly.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Birds that suddenly pop out to sing for the masses.
(and your bird can sing!)
A lot of work for the purpose of entertaining.
Thru money and rye these 'birds' were attracted into all this.

In Sixpence the ‘birds’ are pirates that spring out of the (flaming) pie – the pirate ship – having lured other ships by appearing to be weak or disabled. A common way of doing this was by appearing to have a broken mainsail, therefore appearing to be a bird with broken wings. The analogy, presumably, being that the Beatles were principally influenced by money and drink (rye being whiskey), however, like Blackbeard’s pirates the Beatles were being exploited as others made the big money while the Beatles / pirates did the work and took the risks.
Also, or possibly as an alternative, ‘Sixpence’ features a King and Queen, as does a chess board. Possibly this is an Alice in Wonderland style clue as Through the Looking Glass is a tale about Alice taking a journey based on the movements on a chess board.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Things that are representational or possibly so.

CBC -
could we view the children as the Lads?
the king as EMI/ G. Martin?
the queen as? (take a guess - it's not hard)

Here Apollo is referencing ‘Cry Baby Cry’ – which is lyrically influenced by ‘Sixpence’ – and implying that the Beatles are the children mentioned in the lyrics, the King represents the record company whilst the Queen is Epstein. The Duchess is Linda while the Duke of Kirkcaldy is Paul / Bill.
I struggle with this interpretation. Lyrically, for me it would make more sense for the Queen to be John and Yoko as the King, however, following on from the Through the Looking Glass clue above, if we see the King as the record company and the Queen as artist management then we could draw a parallel between the King and Queen and the Walrus and the Carpenter.
A particular stanza from the Walrus and the Carpenter reads;
But four young Oysters hurried up,
All eager for the treat:
Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,
Their shoes were clean and neat--
And this was odd, because, you know,
They hadn't any feet.
If we read the four young Oysters as being the Beatles then this could possibly be a reference to their treatment since achieving fame. They feel as though they have been eaten up. In the book the Walrus and the Carpenter poem is read to Alice by Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum (who are mirror opposite twins – could they represent McCartney and his replacement?) who warn Alice that her curious nature could get her in trouble. In other words don’t ask questions about where your money is going.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

So, again - You could name an album or song or whatever anything.
Ballroom Dancing

Is a track from the McCartney album ‘Tug of War’, and it also appeared in the McCartney film ‘Give my regards to Broad Street’. The sessions for the ‘Tug of War’ album were suspended because of Lennon’s death. Presumably this is a specific reminder of the Ballroom Dancing scene in Magical Mystery Tour which links to ‘Your Mother should know’. In the ballroom scene McCartney was wearing a black carnation, was this because he was grieving for Tara Browne?
Magical Mystery Tour is, like Alice’s Adventures, a journey and Apollo frequently reminded us that its purpose was to make us reconsider Sgt. Pepper.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Flowers in the Dirt

Is a McCartney album title that Apollo often referenced by making use of the Apollo and Hyacinthus myth and said that this was representative of McCartney and Tara Browne’s relationship. The literal flowers in the dirt on the Sgt. Pepper cover are hyacinths.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Blackbird

Paul McCartney wrote both Blackbird and Jenny Wren (both songs about birds) and Lennon made the connection to ‘Sing a song of sixpence’ (Cry Baby Cry and Cleanup Time) in which both birds are mentioned in the nursery rhymes lyrics. McCartney said “It's not really about a blackbird whose wings are broken, you know, it's a bit more symbolic.” He claimed it is about race relations in America in the sixties. However, a song called ‘Bye, Bye Blackbird’ (a traditional standard about a prostitute's leaving the business and going back home to her mother) has been recorded by both Ringo on ‘Sentimental Journey’ and McCartney on ‘Kisses on the Bottom’.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Your mother should know

Written by McCartney, for the ballroom scene in Magical Mystery Tour, was inspired by a line from the play ‘A taste of honey’. Is this a reference to the Queen eating bread and honey in ‘Sixpence’? The recording session was the last one visited by Brian Epstein (Apollo’s Queen) before his death.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Jenny wren

Paul McCartney track on ‘Chaos and Creation in the Backyard’. Jenny Wren is also a character in Dickens’ ‘Our Mutual Friend’, a book often believed to be about rebirth and renewal.

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

Just all mere coincidence? If not -
why all this prompting to look back again?

Ringo is pasted onto someone else on a particular album cover.

As Klaatu on Goodnight Vienna: Klaatu, an alien, assumes the identity of a Mr Carpenter

Oct 13, 2014 11:30:50 GMT -5 ramone said:

He wasn't too obvious was he?
(hint - pic to your left)
All just fun? Serious?
A little of both?

Jumpstart the subtle beat of a dialogue? Or keep it going if it's there?

My take is that Apollo is spinning a narrative that suggests that McCartney quit the band before, at some point, returning. During this absence there were McCartney replacements. He implies that the story can be revealed by decoding the hidden meanings contained within Sgt. Pepper - nothing you can see that isn't shown – just as the clues above can be decoded, but, after many years trying I still cannot extract any EVIDENCE of this. Ok, there are two McCartney’s on the cover, but there are two of all the Beatles.

[maxedison]

So many different things that link together and they are referenced before and after any REPLACEMENT
was even concidered by the fans.
2 names that turned up for Bill/Faul were Billy Shears and William Campbell/shepherd. A Billy Shears wrote for the
Beatles magazine, P(F)aul had a house in Campbeltown Scottland where he had Sheep(a shepherd). Billy Sheppard sang for the pepperpots.
Some people have speculated that at least 2 of the Fauls could have been brothers maybe half brothers.
Some have also speculated that Billy Shears/Shepherd was just the Beatles name for William Shakespear.

[hotman637]

Oct 13, 2014 9:22:49 GMT -5 maxedison said:

Let's all get up and dance to a song that was a hit
before your mother was born...Sing a song of sixpence.
Your mother should know.....She's old enogh to know better.
I get the connection between the two songs.
Still a riddle leading to a riddle.
Seems more like a child born out of wedlock than anything else.
Doesn't lead to who, what, where, or why.
It is obvious that there were at least 2 different "Pauls" in MMT
None of them the original (If there ever was an original).
Even if Paul and Faul were (Half)brothers no need for The plastic Pauls.
I have seen a picture that looks a lot like Faul when younger.
He could have passed for Paul without makeup or surgery. Better
than any of them in MMT.

They had a son named Jesus but he wasn't planned because God is a woman and the Devil is a man.

[maxedison]

Come on now give it a brake.
God is all powerful and the devils a fake.
I've seen your posts and I've read your rhymes.
so sit back for awhile and read some of mine.
So back to the question of Who is who,
Why it was done and if anyone knew.
Maybe the stress was too much for Paul
Who walked away and gave it to Faul.

[hotman637]

Oct 14, 2014 17:33:49 GMT -5 maxedison said:

Come on now give it a brake.
God is all powerful and the devils a fake.
I've seen your posts and I've read your rhymes.
so sit back for awhile and read some of mine.
So back to the question of Who is who,
Why it was done and if anyone knew.
Maybe the stress was too much for Paul
Who walked away and gave it to Faul.

So the question is the Devil Paul or "Faul" ? The answer is they both of the same clan because
they are just destracting us from the REAL TRUTH that God is a woman and the Devil is a man!

[ramone]

Nice rundown Beacon.
And the Carpenters sing Klaatu….Calling Occupants ...

It's amazing how many points of contact there wind up being.

Not sure if the Pirates angle is even valid - but interesting
what comes of it.

I asked ACV - what about the bass playing role (in studio).
(I'm thinking of Rain, Pepper esp. - signature style)

"If one was to grasp the totality of this subject matter, a simple answer emerges. The beauty of the Beatles, pre and post '66, is that EVERYTHING is as it should be. No mere happenstance. But, amongst the creation is chaos. THAT chaos, is what has brought you all here in the first place. In the early days, the die was cast. As time crept along, and popularity increased, there were not many musicians that would not fancy a play with the band. There are many talented bassist. On Pepper, it is mainly Paul. When not available, and there was a time he was not, K----(my omission) could fill the shoes (if you know what I mean). John was quite able to fill in, as was George. We were never in want of a good bass player. Just where one stops and another begins is left to the beholder."

Apollo


He was always referencing something.
You can hear JPM on almost all of Pepper.
ACV never denied JPM was replaced as shown by his comment.
But, he was letting me know JPM was behind the scenes at different
times.
Seems there was a lot of input with the White album and Abbey Rd too.

[beacon]

Oct 14, 2014 23:32:00 GMT -5 ramone said:

"If one was to grasp the totality of this subject matter, a simple answer emerges. The beauty of the Beatles, pre and post '66, is that EVERYTHING is as it should be. No mere happenstance. But, amongst the creation is chaos. THAT chaos, is what has brought you all here in the first place. In the early days, the die was cast. As time crept along, and popularity increased, there were not many musicians that would not fancy a play with the band. There are many talented bassist. On Pepper, it is mainly Paul. When not available, and there was a time he was not, K----(my omission) could fill the shoes (if you know what I mean). John was quite able to fill in, as was George. We were never in want of a good bass player. Just where one stops and another begins is left to the beholder."

Apollo

This is fascinating Ramone, thanks for this.

I wasn't a member during Apollo's tenure, which is a shame, but the quality and diversity of his posts leads me to believe he did have the key. Reverse engineering it from 10 years later is tricky, but I hope not impossible.

[beatlas231]

Oct 15, 2014 3:28:33 GMT -5 beacon said:

Oct 14, 2014 23:32:00 GMT -5 ramone said:

"If one was to grasp the totality of this subject matter, a simple answer emerges. The beauty of the Beatles, pre and post '66, is that EVERYTHING is as it should be. No mere happenstance. But, amongst the creation is chaos. THAT chaos, is what has brought you all here in the first place. In the early days, the die was cast. As time crept along, and popularity increased, there were not many musicians that would not fancy a play with the band. There are many talented bassist. On Pepper, it is mainly Paul. When not available, and there was a time he was not, K----(my omission) could fill the shoes (if you know what I mean). John was quite able to fill in, as was George. We were never in want of a good bass player. Just where one stops and another begins is left to the beholder."

Apollo

This is fascinating Ramone, thanks for this.

I wasn't a member during Apollo's tenure, which is a shame, but the quality and diversity of his posts leads me to believe he did have the key. Reverse engineering it from 10 years later is tricky, but I hope not impossible.

his posts were insighting

lol

sorry that sounded like someone I know

[maxedison]

What brought me here was the hope that I could find some of Apollos old posts.
He did seem to have first hand knowledge.
I was not and am still not interested in all of these riddles. That is for someone else.
I am getting too old to play the game. I thought by now the false clues and the game of follow
your tail would be over.
But if I need to follow riddles I would rather hear from the one who knows than the ones who speculate.
I guess I don't really belong here in the first place. I am just someone who Knows that the Paul from 62
is not the Paul from MMT and 67 onward. There were possibly a few more after that or they would switch back
and forth over the years.
It is fun to read what people have come up with about what the Clues mean, But when the explaination is in
the form of another riddle the fun dies and the frustration grows.

Beacon, Ramone your posts have been very insightful. I am not directing my comments to anyone in particular.
Trying to sort through the old post to get the general feel of things around here I have found more riddles
that lead to riddles than I have found anyone stating their case of why they may believe a particular scenario.

[beacon]

maxedison, sadly most of the posts are cryptic, or in the form of riddles, that just seems to be the nature of the beast.

My only advice would be to use the search function and search for Apollo C Vermouth - and I guess you have already done that.

I believe many of his posts were deleted. A lot were in the form of personal messages to forum posters and, of course, it would be up to those that remain to decide if they wish to share. There does remain a fair number of posts though.

Good luck.

[Deleted]

invanddis.proboards.com/thread/2232/pms-apollo

But I'm holding my cache as ransom. If you want it ya gotta pay me.

lol

[maxedison]

It's cool that you have that Lucy. It seems that any words from Apollo are valuable in this matter.
It says I don't have permission to view and I have no Cash for the Cache.
I can't doubt that you know what you are talking about. You never actually say what you are taking about,
so how can I doubt what I don't understand in the first place. If you stated your conclusions outright maybe
then I could actually agree or disagree with you.

[LOVELYRITA]

maxedison, I've been a part of this madness for a number of years, about 10 to be quite honest. This forum is the most active of all that has been around for most of the period that PID has been exposed.

You will encounter those who actually make sense, and then you get those who rant and repeat the same thing in every thread, even if it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. And you get those who post that annoying "Imagine" logo and never clearly state anything. You will have that and you just have to weed through it all to gain something interesting. Don't lose heart..please bear with it and don't lose sight of the truth.

Riddles come with the territory as much of the post 67 Beatles material has been presented in such a manner. I find it interesting weeding through what people post. It depends on how much digging you want to do and how much time you want to take with it. For someone like myself, I've learned as I went, but you have to take many years of posting to find what you're looking for.

I came after Apollo posted, so I have never encountered whoever "it" was. If it was Neil Aspinall or some other "ghost" writer representing "Bill" Faul or whoever or whatever he is...or was or ever will be. Let's just say this, I have to say that someone on the "inside" had spoken, most likely in code to reveal things. It's just trying to break the code to what was really going on and just speculating....that's the hard thing.

Like the ancient Egyptian heiroglyphs, until someone had broken the code, we didn't know what those symbols were...but who can break it?

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater...someone has the code....

[LOVELYRITA]

Wasn't "birds" a slang for women in England? Blackbirds....also the White Album song....taking broken wings and learning to fly...sing a song...four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie....what kind of pie would have birds baked into it?

women...girls....singing for the "king"....broken wings....flying....ballroom dancing....not only reference to MMT, but other material from "Bill" references to the subject...

My head is about to explode....I need to rest...

Someone else much more skilled in the art of decoding...please have at it...and not the "Imagine" logo and the dogman and his ranting...

[maxedison]

Going back to the Sixpence reference, Blackbird and Jenny Wren,
I listened to Jenny wren for the first time(I am not an avid fan of McCartney,
I just hear what makes it to mainstream) The similarities between the two are amazing,
Not only the subject matter but the music itself seems to be an extension or expansion
of Blackbird.
I am familier enough with Beatles music before and after 66 to recognize the writing style
of Lennon/McCartney. When I first heard COME and GET IT a Badfinger release, I knew it was a Paul McCartney song.
I don't know whether it was Paul or Faul or whatever intity that writes for them, But it was a
Paul McCartney song. There were other songs also released by other bands which I knew were written
by Either Paul or John. I found out later that I was correct.
What I am getting at is that sometimes you just know something from being so familier with the subject.
After seeing enough pictures of Paul and Faul you can tell just by looking the era in which they were taken
and who is legit and who is a fake. Even in the Wings era some of the pictures are not of "P(F)aul".

[beatlas231]

Oct 15, 2014 17:35:26 GMT -5 maxedison said:

Going back to the Sixpence reference, Blackbird and Jenny Wren,
I listened to Jenny wren for the first time(I am not an avid fan of McCartney,
I just hear what makes it to mainstream) The similarities between the two are amazing,
Not only the subject matter but the music itself seems to be an extension or expansion
of Blackbird.
I am familier enough with Beatles music before and after 66 to recognize the writing style
of Lennon/McCartney. When I first heard COME and GET IT a Badfinger release, I knew it was a Paul McCartney song.
I don't know whether it was Paul or Faul or whatever intity that writes for them, But it was a
Paul McCartney song. There were other songs also released by other bands which I knew were written
by Either Paul or John. I found out later that I was correct.
What I am getting at is that sometimes you just know something from being so familier with the subject.
After seeing enough pictures of Paul and Faul you can tell just by looking the era in which they were taken
and who is legit and who is a fake. Even in the Wings era some of the pictures are not of "P(F)aul".

The walrus and mean man are as close as can be man

lol

[LOVELYRITA]

True that there are songs that sound like they were the Beatles in that time period referred to, like the late 60's and early 70's. It's funny because in those days, we only had the radio, and rarely saw the performers. It's only after having Youtube and playing old clips that you realized many of the performers are not what you pictured them to be like....

It could be not only the songs that were written by them outside of the "Beatles", but perhaps some of those musicians played on the studio recordings we think of as the "Beatles", the post 67 era. We have no idea who was really in the recording studio at that time.