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Post by 65if2007 on Jan 2, 2008 0:43:14 GMT -5
But if JPM was permanently replaced in 1966, the most likely reason is that he died. Musicians die all the time why would JPM be so special as to have his death 'covered' and need a replacement?
You would have to ask those who made that decision. What tale would JPM need to tell? "Here I am". Really? Wouldnt he have had the means at that point in his life to disappear? But it's unlikely that he would have the motive to disappear permanently. It seems the substitution(s) were discovered some time ago. Obviously, there has been no "smoking gun" that the world recognizes as such.
But again, I'm not a big fan of the argument "we have no proof of an actual death". Criminal defendants have been convicted (that is to say, juries have found them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt) of murder even in instances where the prosecutor was unable to produce proof of the existence of corpse. Scott Peterson is on death row for such an instance -- this is the most recent of any prominent case like this that I am familiar with. There are times when the existence of a corpse can be inferred.
Where is the crime with the topic at hand? I'm simply making the point that death can be inferred, even in the absence of a corpse.
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Post by 65if2007 on Jan 1, 2008 23:21:24 GMT -5
Yes IMO it is September 11 1966. That is of course based on the last known appearance of JPM, the first appearance of Faul, and the date on the drumskin, bearing in mind they were English. I'd held out before for November 9, 1966 simply because it was a Wednesday (Wednesday morning at five o'clock). But the more that I think about it, the more I think that an earlier date makes more sense. And then there's the Eleanor Rigby tombstone containing the shadowy figure of a left-handed bass player imprinted onto it and a September TWELFTH date of death. Maybe September 11, 1966 as the date of a particular incident that led to an actual death which was pronounced on September 12. Or maybe there was some sort of ambiguity which made it difficult to determine whether death took place on the 11th or 12th. Or maybe the Pepper Drum is one day off, just like the license plate on "Abbey Road" is one year off. Maybe it wasn't possible to get these things EXACT and somebody decided to settle for "close enough". But September 11 and 12 were, respectively, a Sunday and Monday. Then what about "stupid bloody Tuesday" and "Wednesday morning at five o'clock"? Presumably, red herrings.
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Post by 65if2007 on Jan 1, 2008 23:07:36 GMT -5
it depends on what you believe In respect to JPM's specific date of 'death', belief is a moot point. The reason being, we have no proof of an actual death. The argument is technically true, but I'm not a big fan of that argument. I'm still on the fence about whether JPM was even replaced - though I'm pretty certain that SOMETHING happened about which the public was never told -- something bigger than either a hoax for marketing purposes or a "death trip" for four bored drug-addled musicians with a wicked sense of humor. But if JPM was permanently replaced in 1966, the most likely reason is that he died. Dead men tell no tales, but if a living JPM was still out there, it just seems that much more likely that his presence would have been discovered over this time and just that much LESS likely that the substitution could have remained undiscovered. It's already remarkable enough that any substitution has remained undiscovered to this point. But again, I'm not a big fan of the argument "we have no proof of an actual death". Criminal defendants have been convicted (that is to say, juries have found them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt) of murder even in instances where the prosecutor was unable to produce proof of the existence of corpse. Scott Peterson is on death row for such an instance -- this is the most recent of any prominent case like this that I am familiar with. There are times when the existence of a corpse can be inferred.
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