Dead Men Singing

[B]

In the early days of TKIN, someone posted a thread about Linda Polley channeling songs from
John Lennon. There were even sketches of what his band in the great beyond looked like.
The band had the rather lame sounding name: "Beatles and Friends".
Anyway, for those of you who may have missed it, here's an article from 2004 that summarizes
the Polleys' (wife and husband) material:

www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/1657/P0/


"Imagine John Lennon Singing Pro-War Songs in Heaven

Ever wondered how John Lennon is getting along in Heaven?
According to 'internationally known' psychic Linda Polley he's doing very well.
She's been channeling his spirit and reporting on what's going on with him.
You can read all the latest news on the John Lennon and George Harrison's
Official Website from the Afterlife. The biggest surprise is that John has "officially divorced
his former partner Yoko Ono Lennon for her support of homosexuality"
and decided to marry a dancer named Mary Marie Francesca. Oh, and John has also penned
many news songs, which he shares with the people back on earth via Linda Polley.
Most of the songs are about his new pro-war views, and his strong support
for the Bush administration's policies in Iraq. For instance, one recent work is titled
Hussein's Butt Song (it's all about how we kicked Hussein's butt), and there's also the catchy
Vote for Allawi! To be honest, I'm not sure whether or not any of this is meant to be taken seriously
(I kind of suspect it is). But one thing I do find oddly incongruous. Linda Polley claims
that all the songs have been composed by John Lennon, and yet she simultaneously makes a
point of claiming copyright, warning that "None of the lyrics or the audio files may be copied
without the precise consent of Speaker Linda Polley." But if John Lennon wrote the songs,
why does she own the copyright?"

The article was met with many amusing and appropriate responses, which you can
read at the link above. Here's an actual quote from John Lennon which speaks to the article's
closing statement:

"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."[/i] John Lennon

Suffice it to say, I think that the Polleys are delusional, but then there's this:

www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?BandID=431747

And all I can say is, whoever Lesley Page is, and whoever he's channeling (John Lennon again,
alledgedly), they sure sound 'right' to me!
Listen to the song that plays when you open that page:
"'It's A Wonderful SoundClick World'"
as well as this song of his at YouTube called "Mom and Pop Radio":

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsU5NpsiNeQ
and see what you think.

Of course, I know from my years of religious training that this is all the devil's doing
("The devil's radio"! ), but aside from that Mrs. Lincoln, it's not too bad! Imho. I could believe....

[mommybird]

Of course, I know from my years of religious training that this is all the devil's doing

[B]

That was tongue-in-cheek, Mommybird; that's why I put this guy after it.

[jarvitronics]

I'm channeling John Lennon. At this very moment he is in my right channel singing "Run For Your Life."



-j

P.S. I actually did channel John Lennon once, and he told me that I was full of sh*t for claiming to channel him.

[mommybird]

I know that, Letter B. ;D

Jarv, typical Lennon ! ;D

[B]

Which song was that?

[LOVELYRITA]

So someone channels John Lennon, or so they think it was John Lennon, but what if it was some "familiar" spirit who disguised himself as John and gave bogus information?

OR this person is not a true medium or psychic but was drunk, or has a vivid imagination....

Maybe John only does "Ouija Boards" these days....

or table tapping....

[Jude]

letterb1 said:

Which song was that?

I'm The Establishment After All


While anyone still gives a flying fuck
Okay, how hard can it be to do one of these rap things anyway?

Hello this is John Winston Ono Lennon
Yoko Ono is my own personal Mary Magdalene;
We had a kid and everything just like Jesus did
You'd think the brat would call me now and then

Pete said to me
What happened to you?
You were the bravest person I knew
Ohhhh you want brave do you?
That it? That bit?
Well there's nothing braver than honesty, Shotton
So let's let it rip and see how much you can listen to
Alright? Alright then you bastard

Sing Hail to the 60s,
A whole generation with its head up its ass
Oh my God, what nerve, who is he to say that?
Excuse the fuck out of me Chicken Little
I'm Your Grand Fucking King who left you out here
While the goddamn SKY is falling

And I don't know where it goes
I never got that far they never let it show
Simple Simon met a pieman
Said pardon me, can I borrow your hymen?
Squeeze a lemon, stupid lime
Or I'll be gone before you are through it

I see all of us with backs up to the wall
I'm The Establishment After All
What you say?
What you know?
Live and learn, I'll nick a little Bowie too
It's pastiche, all of it, there's really nothing nowhere new

And that's just it,
It was you idiots who made me fucking king
I just wanted to play rock n roll, but then you had to be clever
So we killed Paul; he didn't argue much
After that wore thin we grew beards like a bunch of fuckin Rabbis or something
Shabi Shabi Shabi Scoobi Doo Let It Be
Ommmmmmm

And I don't know where it goes
I never got that far they never let it show
Simple Simon met a pieman
Said pardon me, can I borrow your hymen?
Squeeze a lemon, stupid lime
Or I'll be gone before you are through it

I see all of us with backs up to the wall
I'm The Establishment After All
What you say?
What you know?
Live and learn, I'll nick a little Bowie too
It's pastiche, all of it, there's really nothing new

Then I decided to break up the goddamn group before we sucked
Paul talked me out of it having recently returned from the dead
And of course then the cunt goes and beats me to it

Before that... I personally suspect my high point was
All you need is love
Like any of us ever get enough of it

After that... well everyone remembers me for Imagine
Imagine there's no goddamn Heaven when you're dead

I don't know where it goes
I never got that far they never let it show
Simple Simon met a pieman
Said pardon me, can I borrow your hymen?
Squeeze a lemon, stupid lime
Or I'll be gone before you are through it

Winston Churchill showed up smiling
Said God's the concept you've been denying
Fuck religion; they're all lying
I'll be gone before you get through it

I see all of us with backs up to the wall
I'm The Establishment After All
See all of us with backs up to the wall
I'm The Establishment After All

Sure it's pastiche; all of it; there's nothing nowhere new
All of rock n roll is pastiche
Which is to say it has a pistachio mustache

My name is John
Will you be my friend?

Whether it's a familiar spirit acting like John, someone with a good imagination, or really John himself speaking through this guy......those lyrics really sound like John!

My favorite part:

"Sure it's pastiche; all of it; there's nothing nowhere new
All of rock n roll is pastiche
Which is to say it has a pistachio mustache."

[B]

To hear it, go here:
www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?bandid=431747&songid=5371894&content=song

Then click on lo-fi or hi-fi to the right of Song:.

pastiche: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastiche

Jude wrote:
"Whether it's a familiar spirit acting like John, someone with a good imagination,
or really John himself speaking through this guy......those lyrics really sound like John!"

I agree.

[mommybird]

So someone channels John Lennon, or so they think it was John Lennon, but what if it was some "familiar" spirit who disguised himself as John and gave bogus information?

OR this person is not a true medium or psychic but was drunk, or has a vivid imagination....

Maybe John only does "Ouija Boards" these days....

or table tapping....

I was corresponding with American "Lesley" Jane for awhile. He started off in a tribute band for the Beatles. He played John's part. After John's death, he sought Lesley out. That was over 20 years ago. Lesley lives in New York, so why the hell not ?
Anyway, he's very serious about his claims. Rita, you should listen to some of his music. It's very, very good.
And, Lesley is quite a character in his own write. ;D

I personally don't like to limit possibilities like that.

[mommybird]

Then I decided to break up the goddamn group before we sucked
Paul talked me out of it having recently returned from the dead
And of course then the cunt goes and beats me to it

Yeah, he's right about that. John & Sir Paul really hated each other at that point. I guess John holds a grudge. ;D

[jarvitronics]

mommybird said:

And, Lesley is quite a character in his own write. ;D

Heh. Nice one mommybird.

mommybird said:

I personally don't like to limit possibilities like that.

I am glad you don't want to limit your possibilities. You never know when someone who has been sold as a bad guy is going to turn out to be a good guy, and vice versa.

It all depends on who's been doing the selling, and what they are afraid of.

-j

[B]

"And of course then the cunt goes and beats me to it"

Oh. The first time I read that I thought he meant that other.....
(the one who always gets blamed).

[mommybird]

That's so funny. That was the first thing that popped into my mind too. ;D
That's the only reason that I have any doubts about Lesley's connection being with the real John. If John is communicating from the other side, one would think that he has been able to figure out the real deal about his death. About Yoko being "set for Life" because of it. About Yoko using his money to create such things as a John Lennon doll and nursery accessories. About Yoko using his bloody glasses on the cover of Season of Glass. About Yoko recently auctioning off those same bloody glasses for quite alot of money. ( who the hell would want to own such an item ! ). About Yoko not notifying Cyn & Jules about his death until after his body was disposed of !
Need I go on...



October 2000 : update courtesy of Findadeath.com friend James Copeland:

Having perused your pages with morbid fascination, I thought this unpleasant addendum to the John Lennon story might appeal to you.

According to controversial biographer Albert Goldman, "Lennon had a horror of cremation, a practice that he inveighed against and once proposed to protest in a song. Despite his aversion, his widow arranged to have his body burned." And from the Channel 4 documentary "The Real John Lennon", it is clear that none of his family in England were consulted about the perfunctory disposal of his body.

John's 5 year old son Sean wasn't told the awful news until the morning of 10 December. Understandably distraught, he asked to see his father one last time, so Lennon's assistant Fred Seaman rang security man Douglas MacDougal at Ferncliff Mortuary and asked him to hold off on the cremation. It was too late.

But it gets worse.

According to Seaman's account in his book "The last days of John Lennon", MacDougal told him that John's face had been serene and calm until just before the body entered the oven, when suddenly it contorted into a "pained, macabre grin" apparently due to rigor mortis. MacDougal had also warned Yoko a couple of months before the murder that the Lennons were running crazy risks by making their daily routine public and not having proper bodyguards.

Maybe true, maybe not, but I believe there was something profoundly sinister about John's reclusive final years with the Astrology obsessed Yoko Ono. George Harrison once said of visits to the Dakota, "I always felt there was something more that he wanted to say but didn't feel able to. There was a look in his eyes." Look at some pictures of Lennon in the studio not long before his death at www.vintagebb.com/lennon.html He doesn't look like a well man to me.

That's about it. All of the above information (apart from the final paragraph, which is sheer conjecture) is freely available from the sources I mentioned.

Best wishes, James.

www.findadeath.com/Deceased/l/John%20Lennon/john_lennon.htm

[Mellow Yellow]

I've said it before that I believe that John either knew he was going to be attacked and let it happen (I don't know, maybe Yoko brainwashed him into it) or he suspected it and didn't know what to do about it.

Also, I believe that Lesley person claims on their website to "endorse Rudy Guiliani for president"....... Lennon would never endorse that guy.

[B]

No, that's not on the site as far as I can see.

By the way:

"I just wanted to play rock n roll, but then you had to be clever
So we killed Paul; he didn't argue much
After that wore thin we grew beards like a bunch of fuckin Rabbis or something
Shabi Shabi Shabi Scoobi Doo Let It Be
Ommmmmmm"

doesn't exactly sound like Paul was really dead to me.

[Mellow Yellow]

Oh... but it IS there......

www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?BandID=431773


Hello World.

I am Lesley Jane.
Co-Founder of BEATLESEX.

I was mentored by Lesley Gore.

Besides channeling John Lennon
I am also an American Superheroine.


And I want you all to know I endorse RUDY For PRESIDENT In 2008!

God Bless,
Much Love,
~Lesley

[B]

OK, but he's saying he supports Rudy; not Lennon.

[Mellow Yellow]

In that case Lennon should slap some sense into him.

[B]

Agreed.

[mommybird]

When I was corresponding with Lesley, I sent him lots of photo comparisons. He was having trouble making them larger than avatars ( for some reason). So, he wouldn't really give me an answer one way or the other concerning Paul being dead.
The way I understand channeling, the visiting spirit just has the use of the brain of the host. So, if the host doesn't have knowledge about something, the spirit doesn't either. For example, if someone channels John & they can't play an instrument, neither can John. If they can, then John can also.
I know, it's rather complicated. I won't pretend to understand it all.

[B]

bump in the night

[puzzled]

Aug 31, 2007 13:44:23 GMT -5 @mommybird said:

When I was corresponding with Lesley, I sent him lots of photo comparisons. He was having trouble making them larger than avatars ( for some reason). So, he wouldn't really give me an answer one way or the other concerning Paul being dead.
The way I understand channeling, the visiting spirit just has the use of the brain of the host. So, if the host doesn't have knowledge about something, the spirit doesn't either. For example, if someone channels John & they can't play an instrument, neither can John. If they can, then John can also.
I know, it's rather complicated. I won't pretend to understand it all.

I'm no expert either, but I didn't understand what you were saying here.

I thought that was the idea of another personality taking over a body? That if the other entity had skills the host body would be able to perform tasks that they normally would not have knowledge of?

For example: Speaking in languages that the channeler does not know under normal control of themselves. Or Edgar Cayce having insights into medical diagnosis, even though he had no medical knowledge or education? Or even exhibiting artistic skills or musical skills that the person had no experience of prior?

Thanks Mommybird