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[fireman]

Serious thread drift here...

[LOVELYRITA]

65if2007 said:

letterb1 said:

65if2007 wrote:
"The word "Camelot" was not conceived as a metaphor for the Kennedy adminisration until then."

Mmmm. Don't know about that one. It ties in with the very popular Broadway production
of "Camelot" at the time, and just as the age of Camelot was too good to last in the play,
so was the hope for the "age of Kennedy" administration, but I think the parallel had already
been written about before the assassination.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelot

"In American contexts, the phrase "Camelot" refers to the presidency of John F. Kennedy, as his term was said to have potential and promise for the future, and the period was symbolic of hope for many in the world, who were inspired by Kennedy's speeches, vision and political policies. The period was ended by Kennedy's November 22, 1963, assassination, which is often compared to the fall of King Arthur. The lines "Don't let it be forgot, that once there was a spot, for one brief shining moment, that was known as Camelot," from the musical Camelot, were quoted by his widow Jacqueline as being from his favorite song in the score. "There'll be great Presidents again," she added, "but there'll never be another Camelot again … it will never be that way again."

(The CIA/Bush/ NWO goons were involved in the JFK assassination. She knew.)

America may have suffered trauma from the assassination, but it did not lose a great or even a good president when it lost JFK -- though I suppose that the grieving widow might have seen things differently.

While there was a "mystique" surrounding the Kennedy presidency which gave off a false sense of promise, I don't think that it's possible to find a single pre-assassination "Camelot" metaphor, even if the musical was playing at the same time. I think that biographers are pretty much agreed that this was entirely Jackie's conception in the aftermath of the assassination.

Not everyone was fooled by this false air of promise, by the way. One European political cartoonist once drew a cartoon which featured a radiant and impressive-looking machine called "The Kennedy Machine". All sorts of icons referring to issues of the day are glowing from the machine: Cuba, gold, civil rights, Vietnam, taxes, etc. etc. It's a Rube Goldberg-like contraption with all sorts of wheels and gears spinning and humming marvelously.

Two onlookers are standing by and observing the machine. One of them turns to the other and says, "It looks magnificent. What does it do?"

The "CIA/Bush/NWO goons", whoever exactly they are (assuming that they even exist at all), couldn't organize a trip to the bathroom, let alone a well-planned methodical assassination let alone one that succeeded without consequences to the plotters. They couldn't kill Castro in a lifetime of trying.

And apart from an interest in the arts, Jackie was a mental midget who was not even aware that there was a Cold War going on and who couldn't FIND her way to the bathroom. She couldn't "know" anything.

While Kennedy was no saint, and maybe he was not highly favored in other countries, I don't know...his father used his influence with the Mafia to get Kennedy elected. Old Joe wanted one of his sons to become President. He was going to promote his oldest son Joseph Jr., but he was killed during WWII. So Jack was then the hope of being president. He was assassinated. Bobby ran and was leading in the Demo. Party but he was taken out. Teddy tried several times but his hopes died when he was in the controversial car wreck that took the life of passenger Mary Jo Kopenich( However it's spelled.) There was this image spun about him, because he was "young" and "handsome" after the run of old men who were presidents.. This was an image..something to lure the masses into thinking we are in some wonderful age.

As for Jackie not knowing much...she knew....she knew what was going on. I've seen pictures of Jackie on the plane, when Johnson was sworn in, laughing and joking. These photos were not doctored. I wished I could remember the link. I was googling on the JFK assassination and indeed the CIA was involved with this.

The CIA was made up of Nazi war criminals brought to the US..it was called another name and then became the CIA. Oh yeah, they were in on so were the freemasons....

[B]

fireman said:

JoJo, thanks for posting the pics!

Also, look at the license plate:



Possibly a clue?

Either way, it's an interesting image of a pot still in place of the engine...

Maybe another hint at alchohol playing a part in the crash?

The license plate (Steamer) has to do with the power unit in the car, which represents, pictorially,
the Stanley Steamer propulsion system. The Stanley Steamer was a steam powered
car that sold in the early 1900s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Steamer

Howard Hughes, the eccentric millionaire, liked the idea of a steam-powered car, and had
one built for himself in the 1940s. However when his mechanic explained to him that a traffic
accident in a steam powered vehicle could mean being scalded to death, he decided never to ride
in it. This face:



could very well represent Howard Hughes, whose appearence it replicates.
Perhaps Paul took a ride in Howard's steam-powered car, or was scalded as if he were in a steam
powered vehicle..

The car in the picture below appears to be a Stanley Steamer.
(Compare it to the one in the wikipedia article, at the top right.)



The sport car shown in the image may have been the car Howard Hughes had built for himself.

Another clue may have to do with the man looking through the eyes of Howard Hughes.

from the Rick Nelson song "Garden Party":
"People came from miles around, everyone was there
Yoko brought her walrus, there was magic in the air
'n' over in the corner, much to my surprise
Mr. Hughes hid in Dylan's shoes wearing his disguise"

Some analysts of this song say that "Mr. Hughes" was actually George Harrison, who occassionally
used that name when booking hotels, etc., so the song is saying that at that Madison Square
Garden concert, George either stood in for Dylan, or passed himself off as him.

So this image could be a clue that George played/sang the music of Paul on some albums after he'd left.
The clue might have been understood better at the time it came out. The late astrologer Linda Goodman
maintained that Howard Hughes had a twin, and that he was the eccentric old man that people
took to be Howard in his old age. The clue, therefore, may be that just as Howard had a twin,
so Paul McCartney had a 'twin' (Faul), so Paul was "looking through the eyes" of Howard Hughes.
Seeing the world through the eyes of a surrogate, in other words.

-------

Lovely Rita, it's Mary Jo Kopechne. As it happens, it is yours truly (moi) who takes care of the flowers
on her grave every summer.

www.citizensvoice.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19192710&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=455154&rfi=6

[iameye]

Interesting info Letter B...... thanks

Are you Willie the Groundskeeper?

[B]

Willie the Groundskeeper:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundskeeper_Willie

I am a bit like that guy, Iameye, but no, I'm not the groundskeeper at the cemetary.
The connection is a bit more personal.
Unfortunately if I say any more about it, they'd have to kill me.
Actually, come to think of it, that may be true!
Um, maybe I'll tell you 'bout it some other time.

[fireman]

LB, interesting information...

...

But I don't see it.

1. The car is clearly of a later time period than that of this type of engine.

2. The engine itself doesn't fit the wikipedia description:

"Steam was generated in a vertical fire-tube boiler, mounted beneath the seat, with a vaporizing gasoline (later, kerosene) burner underneath."

Here is a pic I found on google of the stanley steamer engine:



3. The license plate does not say steamer.

...

But nonetheless, still very interesting and definitely a piece of automotive history that I personally had never before heard of.

[B]

What is shown in the picture is a tea pot on an old coal stove (generating steam)
which then goes into a turbine (on the right) which drives the wheels. It then returns through
the coil (left) into a funnel (as water) to re-enter the main boiler (pot), in much the same way
that nuclear plants use closed steam loops to turn their turbines.
The 1940s-era car that Howard Hughes had built actually had the small pipes from the engine
in the front going through the doors to the driving wheels in the back, which is why he chose
not to ride in it.
The license plate says "Steamer" or "Steam13" or something similar.

[iameye]

37LAMIR? .........well I checked this out with a pair of three D glasses hanging around, and you can pick up a bit more detail. other places too. red and blue.

[plastic paul]

I have to admit that when I first saw that image before the talk of what it said, I did see STEAMER myself, it would make sense given the "samovar engine" and it would give credence to the Howard Hughes reference.

[fireman]

letterb1 said:

What is shown in the picture is a tea pot on an old coal stove (generating steam)
which then goes into a turbine (on the right) which drives the wheels. It then returns through
the coil (left) into a funnel (as water) to re-enter the main boiler (pot), in much the same way
that nuclear plants use closed steam loops to turn their turbines.
The 1940s-era car that Howard Hughes had built actually had the small pipes from the engine
in the front going through the doors to the driving wheels in the back, which is why he chose
not to ride in it.
The license plate says "Steamer" or "Steam13" or something similar.

LB, thanks for greater explanation, but it still barely resembles any sort of stanley steamer...

...

IMO, it could still be some sort of continuous still that would power the engine in much the same you describe.

...

Also, the license plate clearly does not say steamer, there is no "E."

[B]

The sports car doesn't resemble a Stanley Steamer, however the car shown with the face behind
it does, somewhat. Since the steam car that Howard Hughes had built for himself was not a
Stanley Steamer per se, and since the male face resembles him, I theorized that perhaps what
was being indicated was that the sports car was representative of the steam car that Howard
had owned, and that therefore there was a possibility that somehow Paul had taken a
ride in it, if it still exists.
I don't know if that is what the message is at all. It may just be a way to link the idea of what
was going on with Paul with what had gone on with Howard Hughes (especially as it relates to having
a stand-in, or a double).

[fireman]

letterb1 said:

The sports car doesn't resemble a Stanley Steamer, however the car shown with the face behind
it does, somewhat. Since the steam car that Howard Hughes had built for himself was not a
Stanley Steamer per se, and since the male face resembles him, I theorized that perhaps what
was being indicated was that the sports car was representative of the steam car that Howard
had owned, and that therefore there was a possibility that somehow Paul had taken a
ride in it, if it still exists.
I don't know if that is what the message is at all. It may just be a way to link the idea of what
was going on with Paul what had gone on with Howard Hughes (especially as it relates to having
a stand-in, or a double.)

It is an interesting theory. And better than any I've come up with! ;D

[GN]

"He roller-coaster he got early warning
He got muddy water he one mojo filter"

The analysis of the central image will bring we all to the final truth.

[mommybird]

It amazes me how much the man on the left side of GN's avatar looks like John Lennon.
I find the middle photo that he posted VERY disturbing. His left arm looks like he has been shot around the area of his shoulder. I know that is Paul.

[Paul Bearer]

A rollercoaster car crash!

[B]

Hmmm. You may be right, PB!

The Ohio Players DEATH SCREAM Love Rollercoaster!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwHMfUGEOsg
(scream at about 00:50)

[GN]

mommybird said:

It amazes me how much the man on the left side of GN's avatar looks like John Lennon.
I find the middle photo that he posted VERY disturbing. His left arm looks like he has been shot around the area of his shoulder. I know that is Paul.

You are so right Mom but this is an old story ...

[thisone]

gniknus said:

mommybird said:

It amazes me how much the man on the left side of GN's avatar looks like John Lennon.
I find the middle photo that he posted VERY disturbing. His left arm looks like he has been shot around the area of his shoulder. I know that is Paul.

You are so right Mom but this is an old story ...

Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis.

50%"phil" 50% "john" 95% black background.

[LOVELYRITA]

I thought that was supposed to be neil aspinall. WHich I doubt, because I've seenmany pics of Neil who has a prominent brow area, whereas this guy doesn't have the same forehead and hairline.

[iameye]

letterb1 said:

Hmmm. You may be right, PB!

The Ohio Players DEATH SCREAM Love Rollercoaster!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwHMfUGEOsg
(scream at about 00:50)

wait. what?
the name of this album was honey and she was burned by the honey? what?

[B]

Or so she claimed. I know nothing. Only what the voice on the video says.

More on track, I replicate my reply #2663 from the Rotten Apple thread
relative to thisone[/i]'s post above :

quote:
(I hate keeping secrets. Especially ones that are already out! )

invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1177272928&page=1

"Well here's one we haven't considered.

A post at this YouTube thread:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNam3ahXXWI

johnpaulolivier wrote:
"Yoko Ono told me, that John do a face transplanation in 1967, when Paul die.
So he act the roll of Paul. And Billy Shears who look like John play his roll!!"



The person quoted is from Germany. In English:

Yoko told johnpaulolivier that when Paul died, John had facial surgery to look like Paul, and took
his place. Billy Shears, who looked like John, had surgery and played his role.

I want to dismiss it as outrageous, but, hey, if Yoko said it, it must be true, right?

And then there's this from him:

"Yoko told me she´s very sad that her husband Billy Shears died, but happy
that John is still alive in London as Paul."

from this YouTube address:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Mbv9OkwO0&NR"

------------------------------------------------------

"Billy Shears who look like John play his roll!!"

invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1125170041&page=6

thisone said:

gniknus said:

You are so right Mom but this is an old story ...

Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis.

50%"phil" 50% "john" 95% black background.

unquote

[Paul Bearer]

I think either Yoko or johnpaulolivier is giving disinfo. Interesting that the video (and hence the posts) has been removed from youtube.

But back to the rollercoaster theory:

"For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite" has fairground noises.

And then there's the lyrics to "Helter Skelter":

When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again.

Do you, don't you want me to love you
I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.

Helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter.

Will you, won't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.

Look out helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter

Look out, cause here she comes.

When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
And I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
And I get to the bottom and I see you again

Well do you, don't you want me to make you
I'm coming down fast but don't let me break you
Tell me tell me tell me the answer
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer.

Look out helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter
Look out helter skelter
She's coming down fast
Yes she is
Yes she is.

Is the above about a roller coaster ride?

[iameye]

no!



A helter skelter is an amusement park ride with a slide built in a spiral around a high tower. Users climb the tower and slide down usually on a mat. It is the precursor to the water slide. The term is primarily (but not exclusively) found in British English.

[JoJo]

"Yoko told me she´s very sad that her husband Billy Shears died, but happy that John is still alive in London as Paul."

What a character, this Johnpauloliver. Seemingly struggles with the English language a bit?

Maybe Yoko actualy believes this, who knows. A side note, Sean said this in "The USA Verses John Lennon":

"Well, I suppose they tried to kill John, but they couldn't".

Perhaps he means they couldn't kill his spirit, interesting that he used the word "they" rather than "he" tho..

[Jai Guru Deva]

The man wearing a trench coat and top hat (or derby?), who is walking with a woman with her head covered with a black scarf and a dress coat, to my eyes bears a striking resemblance to Dominick Browne.