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Sept 7, 2004 4:38:04 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 4:38:04 GMT -5
Yes, the Paul pic is vintage, it came from this thread. And the "Faul" pic came from Eyesbleed. Here.But wait, what going on with the ears? Well, one ear is covered by hair, and if you look at the full pic I got of "Faul" (from EB's pics) you can see the other one is being blocked by a big cardboard thing of John, from Yellow Submarine. Faul is dead!
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Sept 7, 2004 12:34:20 GMT -5
Post by matchbox on Sept 7, 2004 12:34:20 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Sept 7, 2004 13:06:38 GMT -5
Post by Goldfinger on Sept 7, 2004 13:06:38 GMT -5
Another FP
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Sept 7, 2004 13:10:58 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Sept 7, 2004 13:10:58 GMT -5
Whoa, hold on there Bubba. Don't go poppin' that cork to the death of Faul just yet! If Faul's dead then who's this guy?? ;D Once again, we gotta point out that the bodies that go with those faces are gonna be quite different from each other. The disappearing shoulders is a good indicator of that. Too bad we can't compare the bodies also. Since your tryin' really hard to do this right, I'll point out that the Faul pic is from The Beatle Files published in 2000. So that pic isn't vintage.... not that it matters. I'm NOT sayin' Oh it MUST be altered then!" Just wanted to point that out, FYI is all. I can see yer tryin' to do the best job possible.... & with our sources. (that's what they're there for) But that's some EXCELLENT work there FP. I think that's y'all's best one yet. You should get a M4E Medal for that one! I still don't think ya understand why an excellent fade like that doesn't faze the PID camp, tho.
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Sept 7, 2004 13:45:11 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 13:45:11 GMT -5
Thanks Bug, Matchbox. ;D (And EB) The eye distance of "Faul" matches up with Paul. Okay, anyone can match up eye distance. But will the rest of the face match up? Depends if ithey're the same person or not. And it depends if the earlier pic was doctored or not, which in this case, it wasn't. ;D And I don't care if I convinced anyone or not, I'm just happy I found out how to make my own fades. ;D
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Sept 7, 2004 15:03:27 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Sept 7, 2004 15:03:27 GMT -5
Yeah, we're pretty much unfazable at this point. Maybe it's the "undecided" crowd either side is after? (boy does that sound familiar, lol!) Hey learning a new skill is never a bad thing, congrats!
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Sept 7, 2004 15:15:18 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 15:15:18 GMT -5
Yeah, we're pretty much unfazable at this point. Maybe it's the "undecided" crowd either side is after? (boy does that sound familiar, lol!) Hey learning a new skill is never a bad thing, congrats! Thanks. But if they're two different men, why do they match up?
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Sept 7, 2004 18:30:42 GMT -5
Post by matchbox on Sept 7, 2004 18:30:42 GMT -5
Whoa, hold on there Bubba. Don't go poppin' that cork to the death of Faul just yet! If Faul's dead then who's this guy?? ;D I guess my eye just isn't discerning enough to see the differences.
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Sept 7, 2004 18:59:03 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 18:59:03 GMT -5
I guess my eye just isn't discerning enough to see the differences. Oooh, nice one.
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Sept 7, 2004 20:10:32 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 20:10:32 GMT -5
I guess my eye just isn't discerning enough to see the differences. The left ears don't appear to match even though the angles are almost exactly the same. Paul's stick out much more and are rounder than Faul's. We've seen this in enough photos to establish it as a fact.
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Sept 7, 2004 20:12:35 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 20:12:35 GMT -5
Yes, the Paul pic is vintage, it came from this thread. And the "Faul" pic came from Eyesbleed. Here.But wait, what going on with the ears? Well, one ear is covered by hair, and if you look at the full pic I got of "Faul" (from EB's pics) you can see the other one is being blocked by a big cardboard thing of John, from Yellow Submarine. Faul is dead! We know from other photos of Faul that his ears don't jut out like that. Paul practically had jug ears compared to Faul. It wasn't until he started growing his hair over his ears that it was less obvious. Nevertheless, I don't think he was vain enough to ever consider pinning them back surgically.
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Sept 7, 2004 20:14:33 GMT -5
Post by xpt626 on Sept 7, 2004 20:14:33 GMT -5
I guess my eye just isn't discerning enough to see the differences. apparently, it isn't ;D But mine sure is. (My other one agrees with it, in fact. ;D) Need I send you back to the "lookalike" thread? And need I remind you how many people were completely taken in a few weeks ago by a "fake" Ringo that bears a slight, at best, resemblance to the Real Ringo?
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Sept 7, 2004 20:31:00 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 20:31:00 GMT -5
We know from other photos of Faul that his ears don't jut out like that. Paul practically had jug ears compared to Faul. They eyes match up. The shape of the head matches up. And if they ears don't match up, it's probably from camera distortion.
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Sept 7, 2004 21:16:27 GMT -5
Post by matchbox on Sept 7, 2004 21:16:27 GMT -5
The left ears don't appear to match even though the angles are almost exactly the same. Paul's stick out much more. Yep. And the Red Pepper pic isn't stretched either.
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Sept 7, 2004 21:25:57 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 21:25:57 GMT -5
Yep. And the Red Pepper pic isn't stretched either. It lines up better than any of the PIA fades. The insignificant shift in the nose and chin is caused by a slightly higher camera angle in the red pepper photo. Otherwise, the faces and ears are in exact proportion, as they should be. (The left ear lobe obviously got cropped out by the red background in the red pepper shot.) The end result is an animation of Faul nodding his head slightly. I don't know how you can call that a stretch. In your latest fade you can watch the left ear as it changes shape. All parts of the head should line up to be a good match. That one doesn't cut it IMO.
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Sept 7, 2004 21:26:51 GMT -5
Post by DarkHorse on Sept 7, 2004 21:26:51 GMT -5
They eyes match up. The shape of the head matches up. And if they ears don't match up, it's probably from camera distortion. The eyes match up. But the face of Faul is narrower and so is the NECK. And the ears are nowhere near the same vicinity. Camera distortion? I don't think so.
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Sept 7, 2004 21:30:46 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 21:30:46 GMT -5
They eyes match up. The shape of the head matches up. And if they ears don't match up, it's probably from camera distortion. Both photos were taken with a long enough lens to rule out any distortion. You would notice much more distortion in the nose (since it's closer to the camera) before you would see anything affecting the ears.
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Sept 7, 2004 21:59:38 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 21:59:38 GMT -5
The eyes match up. But the face of Faul is narrower and so is the NECK. And the ears are nowhere near the same vicinity. Camera distortion? I don't think so. Tell me how "Faul's" face is narrower in my fade. And in matchbox's fade look at the SHAPE of the head. Ears, ears, ears. If you judge who's alive and who isn't by an adam of somone's ear being off, then it looks like Paul was replaced before '66. Looks like "Faul" matches up with Paul better than Paul matches up with himself!!! ;D
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Sept 7, 2004 22:05:46 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 22:05:46 GMT -5
Tell me how "Faul's" face is narrower in my fade. And in matchbox's fade look at the SHAPE of the head. Ears, ears, ears. If you judge who's alive and who isn't by an adam of somone's ear being off, then it looks like Paul was replaced before '66. Looks like "Faul" matches up with Paul better than Paul matches up with himself!!! ;D Come on, we have more than enough photos of Paul showing his round jug ears and Faul with his flat, elliptical ears to know these are two different people. This fade merely shows Paul with his ears covered by hair in one shot. There's no shift in size, extension or position as we see between him and Faul in just about every photo where the ears aren't covered by something.
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Sept 7, 2004 22:13:04 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Sept 7, 2004 22:13:04 GMT -5
I don't see that putting this fade together helps yer cause in this thread. Because there's no way in hell that the squirrely lookin' fem on the right is JPM. So yer fade workin' as good as it does is one more argument against fades! FP's is a much better argument simply because both pics look like "Paul". The Yellow Sub pic FP used looks very JPM-like, except for the way he's towering over George. But I'll say it one more time.... there's no way in hell that this other guy is JPM.
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Sept 7, 2004 22:41:57 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 22:41:57 GMT -5
The Yellow Sub pic FP used looks very JPM-like, except for the way he's towering over George. Too bad you can't see their feet in that pic. But you can see their feet in your own pic here. Once again, Paul was replaced before 66!
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Sept 7, 2004 22:43:15 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 22:43:15 GMT -5
I don't see that putting this fade together helps yer cause in this thread. No matter what two photos they use to "prove" PIA in a fade, I've never seen one set where everything lined up. It's either the eyes nose, chin or ears, but there's always something that doesn't quite work. Yet we can find many photos of Paul matching Paul or Faul matching Faul with exact precision. I think fades do show the differences, but all parts of the head must be visible, including the ears, for the comparison to be fair.
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Sept 7, 2004 22:46:36 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 22:46:36 GMT -5
Come on, we have more than enough photos of Paul showing his round jug ears and Faul with his flat, elliptical ears to know these are two different people. This fade merely shows Paul with his ears covered by hair in one shot. There's no shift in size, extension or position as we see between him and Faul in just about every photo where the ears aren't covered by something. His ears match up in my fade (with the red lines) as well as they match up in Matchbox's fade.
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Sept 7, 2004 22:58:20 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Sept 7, 2004 22:58:20 GMT -5
His ears match up in my fade (with the red lines) as well as they match up in Matchbox's fade. Well in matchbox's fade, the left ear changes shape and position. Not a good match. In yours, Faul's ears are obstructed by hair and cardboard so we can't tell if they match or not. Show me the original Faul photo from that fade. I'll bet the right ear is mostly covered by hair. In any event there are too many other photos that show Faul's ears didn't stick out like Paul's to be swayed by any one set of hand-picked photos.
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Sept 7, 2004 23:07:06 GMT -5
Post by FlamingPie on Sept 7, 2004 23:07:06 GMT -5
Well in matchbox's fade, the left ear changes shape and position. Not a good match. In yours, Faul's ears are obstructed by hair and cardboard so we can't tell if they match or not. Show me the original Faul photo from that fade. I'll bet the right ear is mostly covered by hair. In any event there are too many other photos that show Faul's ears didn't stick out like Paul's to be swayed by any one set of photos. Original Faul photo? Wait, what fade are you talking about? And in my fade with the red lines, you can see the outside of his right ear (our left) pretty clearly. img36.exs.cx/img36/7861/Paul67Fade.gif^ Larry's fade of my comparison. Ears match up.
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