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Post by revolver on Sept 12, 2004 17:31:02 GMT -5
I see the same eye. And is "Faul's" eye brown and Paul's eye green? ;D Look at these stills of Bill's eye crease. Totally different from Paul's. Looks unnatural, like a surgical scar to me. And the eyes are shaped differently. Faul's are larger and bug out more. To be fair, I scaled up Paul's eyes to match the width of Faul's. I don't see how you can objectively see the same eyes.
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Post by Morph on Sept 12, 2004 18:58:35 GMT -5
Great shots JoJo! Faul's eye looks very bizarre...like there's a flap of skin hanging over the eyelid. On further thought this looks like plastic surgery, one designed to "reshape" the eyes.
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Post by Morph on Sept 12, 2004 19:06:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I was just pointing out that you can't really say his eyes are this and his eyes are that. There are too many variables that can change eye color, or "appear" to change eye color. Just one comment on the eye color issue: Paul's eyes are very reflective...with that in mind, I have yet to see a photo of Paul with greenish eyes taken indoors.
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Post by FlamingPie on Sept 12, 2004 19:20:55 GMT -5
Eye comparison: Edit: And this:
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Post by matchbox on Sept 12, 2004 23:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Sept 13, 2004 0:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by matchbox on Sept 13, 2004 2:12:07 GMT -5
I have yet to see a photo of Paul with greenish eyes taken indoors. Here ya go.
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Post by LarryC on Sept 13, 2004 3:29:36 GMT -5
Look at these stills of Bill's eye crease. Totally different from Paul's. Looks unnatural, like a surgical scar to me. And the eyes are shaped differently. Faul's are larger and bug out more. To be fair, I scaled up Paul's eyes to match the width of Faul's. I don't see how you can objectively see the same eyes. What you are looking at is a shadow created by artificial lighting...Hey Jude Video perhaps? The others appear to be from outdoors under more natural lighting where the lighting is more manifold and not so directed. Shadows should not be confused with surgical scarring. I suggest you read the link Dr. Robert posted www.jromano.com/text/periorbitb.html and scroll down to the bit about eyelid surgery. One comment about that page, Doc, and that is everything I gather from that is geared more toward a facelift procedure. What has been suggested with the alleged replacement is that his eyelid(s) have been surgically altered to look more like someone else's, which would involve a different kind of surgery I would think...skin grafting and stuff. And let's be serious, in 1966/67 I don't think the medical field was so advanced that any doctor would even consider altering someone's eyelids for crying out loud...espeicially at the risk of causing irreversable damage, and it would probably look a darn sight ugly too. Paul's left eye has always had that fold of skin, or at least it can be seen in several pre-66 photos. It will appear in different degrees depending upon his level of fatigue, or ambient light, or a combination of both. And for Morph, to go along with that big pic matchbox posted, here is a close up of his eyes from that very same pic compared to the close up from Fool On The Hill. Again we have different lighting used in each pic, but a close look at the color of his eyes in each pic makes for about the same shade of greenish-brown-hazel-whatever you would like to call it. Oh, and back to Revolver...notice how you don't have that long dark shadow tracing across his left eyelid under the natural lighting used in the Fool On The Hill pic. Do you really think if he had some traces of plastic surgery he didn't want anyone to notice that he would allow that camera to get so close? And if my chronology is correct, FOTH came a year or so before Hey Jude. Just some food for thought. ;D
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Post by Doc on Sept 13, 2004 4:31:32 GMT -5
I realize today that that particular "T-fold" (for lack of a better handle) happens to some people. Others have it. I didn't have one but one of my eyes is developing a small effect of it; with my "maturing" (aging) it looks like the eyelid parts are just getting tired. And it only shows up if I turn my head to the left and look at that eye in the mirror. When I turn the other way, or straight ahead, the lid looks completely parallel to the top of the eye itself. So, perhaps this is only a little crease that manifests in some people with getting older and makes itself apparent by lighting, and the way the face is oriented with regard to the camera.
Upper eye-lid T-fold syndrome. UELTFS, say "ool-tiffs".
When I come back to the web in 10 years there'll be entire theses about it. UELTFS. And preventive surgery. Only in my crazy world.
They will sell "UELTFS Be-Gone" cream in the CVS.
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Post by Morph on Sept 13, 2004 20:23:10 GMT -5
Yeah, you posted that fade before. Despite rotating Faul's eye for a better fit this time around, it still doesn't match. Faul's prominent eye crimp is still visible in the shadow.
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Post by Morph on Sept 13, 2004 20:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Sept 13, 2004 21:10:02 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone knows what was possible in the field of plastic surgery in 1966 without venturing into speculation. (on either side of the argument I would guess) The reason for making an animated gif was to show that the line doesn't disappear, it fades in and out in sharpness depending on how closely squeezed together the "fold" becomes. If you open and close your hand while it is facing a light, the lines in your hand become darker or lighter depending on how closed or open your hand is. The lines don't become invisible entirely, and likewise, they become darker due to shadowing as you close your hand. My main point here, that "T" intersection that morph points out, a line that continues past a point it shouldn't be going based on pics that precede it is what I perceive to be not quite right. But ok, we need an outdoor pic post 66 to compare to the PW video to rule out the lighting? (just asking)
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Post by JoJo on Nov 27, 2004 11:23:32 GMT -5
Back a few pages ago, we were talking about the fold above the left eye. Morph said: I made an animated gif of a few frames from Hey Jude, (source unknown, but not especially different from the Anthology release, just a different take, there were many) and one from Anthology's version of Paperback Writer. Hey Jude is on the left, PW on the right. A still from the Hey Jude Source: A still from the PB writer source: Comments anyone? Paul's eyes from the BSA cover: And AHDN: Yes, the lid fold is a uniform curve with JPM, not so with Hey Jude. Don't know why PBW is not quite right.. I also noticed that JPM has a wide nose that narrows in the middle somewhat, and then gets wider before joining with the forehead. Hey Jude shows a straight nose from top to tip, almost like there's a steel rod in there. (for lack of a better way of putting it)
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 27, 2004 21:41:04 GMT -5
Paul's eyes from the BSA cover: [pic] And AHDN: [pic] Yes, the lid fold is a uniform curve with JPM, not so with Hey Jude. Don't know why PBW is not quite right.. I also noticed that JPM has a wide nose that narrows in the middle somewhat, and then gets wider before joining with the forehead. Hey Jude shows a straight nose from top to tip, almost like there's a steel rod in there. (for lack of a better way of putting it) That HDN pic might be flipped. I'm not sure. And in the Hey Jude video, his nose doesn't look much like "Faul's" nose either. Probably lighting, and/or make up.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 27, 2004 23:20:24 GMT -5
His nose was at its Hey Jude stage. Lighting and makeup don't have Godlike powers...
The pic is not flipped most likely, the hair part is where it always was during the era. (something else that changed)
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Post by FlamingPie on Nov 28, 2004 1:47:30 GMT -5
His nose was at its Hey Jude stage. Lighting and makeup don't have Godlike powers...
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Post by jpm4266 on Nov 28, 2004 8:06:59 GMT -5
I'd like to know the brand of that mic. Never seen before an OVAL capsule cover.
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Post by jpm4266 on Nov 28, 2004 8:13:23 GMT -5
Paul used a partial denture to fix his "not so beautiful" frontal teeth.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 28, 2004 10:34:14 GMT -5
Hmmm.. another one with the missing cleft in the chin. It really stands out, hard to understand..
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 8, 2004 19:47:22 GMT -5
I'd like to know the brand of that mic. Never seen before an OVAL capsule cover. Neither have I! The funny thing is, the one in that pic is a sphere! Look at how PERFECTLY the eyes, chin, and cheek area match up. The only difference is shadow, slight angle difference, and mouth expression.
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Post by pennylane on Dec 9, 2004 5:56:51 GMT -5
call me blind.. but i still see 2 different people! They have a likeness that maybe twins would have... but it stops there.. Paul was *sigh* gorgoues.. faul, well not so much!
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 9, 2004 7:44:20 GMT -5
call me blind.. but i still see 2 different people! They have a likeness that maybe twins would have... but it stops there.. Paul was *sigh* gorgoues.. faul, well not so much! Ya, I think CREEPY would better describe Faul. Another excellent fade FP! Ya, those eyes are perfect on that fade.... BUT..... What we don't get, is how the PIAer's could look at those Kenya pics (or a few other obvious ones) & not want to admit that the guy in those pics is not JPM. Something screwy is goin' on. When it comes to finding pics that look simular, yer an expert, but the Kenya pics etc should be setting off some alarm bells over at the M4E camp. I don't understand how they could NOT set off some alarms.
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Post by Red Lion on Dec 9, 2004 11:43:13 GMT -5
call me blind.. but i still see 2 different people! They have a likeness that maybe twins would have... but it stops there.. Paul was *sigh* gorgoues.. faul, well not so much! Blind? Hardly. There is plenty in that fade that supports PID. And Faul's eyes look very unnatural in that picture.
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Post by FlamingPie on Dec 9, 2004 14:52:29 GMT -5
Ya, I think CREEPY would better describe Faul. Another excellent fade FP! Ya, those eyes are perfect on that fade.... BUT..... What we don't get, is how the PIAer's could look at those Kenya pics (or a few other obvious ones) & not want to admit that the guy in those pics is not JPM. Something screwy is goin' on. When it comes to finding pics that look simular, yer an expert, but the Kenya pics etc should be setting off some alarm bells over at the M4E camp. I don't understand how they could NOT set off some alarms. Thanks, EB. The Kenya pics are sorta weird, I admit that. But that's not the first time we see "Faul", is it?
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 9, 2004 14:57:39 GMT -5
Thanks, EB. The Kenya pics are sorta weird, I admit that. But that's not the first time we see "Faul", is it? I'm not sure about that FP, but I think those are the earliest pics of Faul. Anybody know of earlier ones?
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