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Post by revolver on Jan 4, 2005 14:29:09 GMT -5
I got "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" as an office Christmas gift, so I listened to John Hughes's commentary track after watching it again. During the parade sequence when Broderick lip-synced "Twist and Shout", Hughes told how Faul said he didn't appreciate the addition of horns to the song. He said something like "If we had wanted to add horns we bloody well would have..." (The marching band played along with the song, but it was hardly noticable.) I wonder how he could pretend to be offended about a cover song, sung by John, by a band he wasn't a member of at the time of the recording!  How absurd! |
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Post by xpt626 on Jan 4, 2005 15:32:53 GMT -5
LOL I love Ferris Bueller's Day Off! ;D I don't see him complaining about the song hitting the Top 40 chart again in 1986, due to its inclusion in the movie   |
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Post by Doc on Jan 4, 2005 17:54:25 GMT -5
Oh, well, we all say things off hand that later we may prefer we hadn't said. Oh, I have no doubt that he disdains the addition of schmaltzy bugels to a "rocker" type of song, and a vintage classic at that, but still, its just a movie, in the 80's, and kind a went with the times. Lots of 50s/60s songs got revamped with horns and/or synth brass sounds. The "decade of the Oberheim 'fat brass' patch". Factory Presets B, Bank 1, number 36. Just kidding. It was bank 2. At least he's consistent; remember the "Spector" debacle......overphilled with strings and the "aahhh"choir...... I guess Hughes felt Macca was raining on his parade........I guess the point was missed, it's a joke/gimmick, to support the idea of wherever Ferris goes, he gets everybody to get carried away WITH him. He's the pied piper! Even the marching band will extemporaneously chime in! Ferris charms everyone he comes in contact with......part of the charicaturish tone of the whole movie. Cartoonish heightening. Did it really happen that way? Or was that just in Ferris's head? Ferris is telling us the story- he talks to the camera, right? Was the principle really just like that? Ferris was telling us HIS story. The story of his big day! In his terms. In his mind, he grabbed and microphone in a parade float and charmed thousands of Chicagoans with his version of "Twist and Shout", complete with Marching Band....... Maybe if Macca had directed his complaint directly to Ferris.... Doesn't explain the totalled out Farari, though.....hmmmm....... I guess THAT really happened. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 4, 2005 19:44:52 GMT -5
Yeah I guess Faul didn't like horns. i had forgotten about the Phil Spector episode. Well obviously, Paul liked horns, example, two of his songs: Got To Get You Into My Life and Penny Lane. |
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Post by FlamingPie on Jan 4, 2005 19:54:34 GMT -5
Yeah I guess Faul didn't like horns. i had forgotten about the Phil Spector episode. Well obviously, Paul liked horns, example, two of his songs: Got To Get You Into My Life and Penny Lane. Penny Lane was "Faul"... And don't forget For No One. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 4, 2005 20:34:24 GMT -5
Incorrect. Penny Lane was Paul 'overdubbed' with the third voice or possibly Faul but the original idea to use horns was Paul's. The song was nearly completed before Paul had a chance to finish it. All Paul. The album was released in August, before Paul "died". |
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Post by revolver on Jan 4, 2005 20:37:20 GMT -5
Oh, well, we all say things off hand that later we may prefer we hadn't said. Oh, I have no doubt that he disdains the addition of schmaltzy bugels to a "rocker" type of song, and a vintage classic at that, but still, its just a movie, in the 80's, and kind a went with the times. Lots of 50s/60s songs got revamped with horns and/or synth brass sounds. The "decade of the Oberheim 'fat brass' patch". Factory Presets B, Bank 1, number 36. Just kidding. It was bank 2. At least he's consistent; remember the "Spector" debacle......overphilled with strings and the "aahhh"choir...... I guess Hughes felt Macca was raining on his parade........I guess the point was missed, it's a joke/gimmick, to support the idea of wherever Ferris goes, he gets everybody to get carried away WITH him. He's the pied piper! Even the marching band will extemporaneously chime in! Ferris charms everyone he comes in contact with......part of the charicaturish tone of the whole movie. Cartoonish heightening. Did it really happen that way? Or was that just in Ferris's head? Ferris is telling us the story- he talks to the camera, right? Was the principle really just like that? Ferris was telling us HIS story. The story of his big day! In his terms. In his mind, he grabbed and microphone in a parade float and charmed thousands of Chicagoans with his version of "Twist and Shout", complete with Marching Band....... Maybe if Macca had directed his complaint directly to Ferris.... Doesn't explain the totalled out Farari, though.....hmmmm....... I guess THAT really happened. What suprised me is Hughes said it was an actual German Festival parade that day. The movie crew just added another float to it. Some of the crowd thought it was all part of the parade and started dancing to it, although they also hired some local dancers. More trivia: they made multiple replica Ferraris since an original cost over $200K at the time. |
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Post by FlamingPie on Jan 5, 2005 4:28:44 GMT -5
Incorrect. Penny Lane was Paul 'overdubbed' with the third voice or possibly Faul but the original idea to use horns was Paul's. The song was nearly completed before Paul had a chance to finish it. Penny Lane was recorded Dember 29th, 1966 with overdubs December 30th, and in seven sessions during January 1967. I know that. I just couldn't let you leave out one of Paul's greatest use of horns. ;D |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 5, 2005 10:54:09 GMT -5
Penny Lane was recorded Dember 29th, 1966 with overdubs December 30th, and in seven sessions during January 1967. Well FP that's the "official" date of recording. The actual first date it was recorded could have been way before that. I have no way of proving this so I will end my argument here.  But if you listen to the Penny Lane version on Anthology II, it's all James Paul singing imo. I'll have to listen again to that one. |
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Post by FlamingPie on Jan 5, 2005 15:52:27 GMT -5
Well FP that's the "official" date of recording. The actual first date it was recorded could have been way before that. I have no way of proving this so I will end my argument here. But if you listen to the Penny Lane version on Anthology II, it's all James Paul singing imo. You told me I was incorrect. I didn't know that was your opinion. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 5, 2005 16:12:36 GMT -5
You told me I was incorrect. I didn't know that was your opinion. Well I still think the 'official' date of recording is incorrect. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 6, 2005 19:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by FlamingPie on Jan 6, 2005 20:01:41 GMT -5
#2 sounds like the same voice from #1, just double tracked. |
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Post by JoJo on Jan 6, 2005 22:31:16 GMT -5
There's also this rehearsal, with the mic a distance away it seems. www.jojoplace.org/Shoebox/PenyyLaneRehearsal.mp3 Whose voice is that? It's faint and far away, but it doesn't sound like Paul, or Bill. Being hard to hear doesn't make the voice unrecognizable, the Nagra tape rolls show that to be the case. John or George? PL could have had either of them contributing to the harmony, many earlier songs were either John/Paul or Paul/George. The possibilities for the final product: Paul/George Paul doubled (by himself or using flange in his "absence") Paul/John John/George Imitator (not Bill) doubled or in harmony with John and/or George It's been a long time and I still can't figure it out. Is there any doubt who sings "I'm Looking Through You", or "For No One, and you can tell when John and Paul come to a harmony section of "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". Do you have to be told in those cases? |
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Post by Doc on Jan 7, 2005 1:00:11 GMT -5
Fascinating. Love hearing Sir George rehearsing up the the wind players on their ensemble playing. The vocals are the same originals, as Paul's voice craks slightly on the same word, (was it "meanwhile), I forget)--they are sort of ghosting thru lightly in some monitir. Its a funny mix, one intended I think for just the flute and trumpets, and sounds like piano and something else, to plasy along too, or else the piano is hot in the mix as a guide for pitch. The horns are a little pitchy here; on the final mix, they seem perfect.
Ah, the art of studio recording........
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How absurd!
But if you listen to the Penny Lane version on Anthology II, it's all James Paul singing imo. 