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Post by il ras on Jan 13, 2006 23:45:27 GMT -5
I've just finished to see for the second time the movie "Confessions of a dangerous mind" (2002) starring Sam Rockwell, Drew Barrymore, George Clooney, Julia Roberts and many others. For those who don't know what this movie is about: a man while becoming an important tv shows producer, is recruited by the CIA to kill some people around the world (at a certain point he starts to use his shows as a coverage: while he travels along with the winners of his dating game, he execute many assassinations). As by now my mind is completely PID oriented, I started to think if there could be some connections between the film and our favorite quest. I don't want to say that Paul was, himself directly, an MI6 agent; the movie, anyway, made me thought that the biggest obsession during the sixties was the cold war and the defense of democracy against the Soviet Union and the other countries of eastern Europe: at that point the Beatles could be both: 1 an indirect weapon and try to weaken, with their music, the convictions of the people living in those communist countries 2 a direct weapon (if not them, someone of their entourage) accomplishing missions in the countries where they toured. May be Paul was involved in something that went wrong and they needed (to cover and, may be, to go on) to substitute him. I know that are just a lot of suppositions but may be that they will help someone to find out something new.
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Post by il ras on Jan 13, 2006 23:54:13 GMT -5
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Post by beatlies on Jan 14, 2006 10:33:48 GMT -5
This thread must really be touching a nerve: has incredibly received 444 hits as of this writing despite its being started only last night and having one reply. I noticed a swarm of 8 "guests" as I looked at the visitors a few minutes ago.
I saw Chuck Barris speaking at a public event recently and spoke with him. He gives the impression of being a slick-charming Hollywood/government faker, much like Faul. He has admitted to murdering inncoent people for CIA, as an assassin agent, in between writing and producing, and hosting TV game shows; that is confessed in his Confessions of a Dangerous Mind autobography. His CIA connections no doubt helping him get all the television contracts and millions-of-dollars deals.
He is in his 70s now and married to a much younger woman, whom I also saw; he seemed proud of her family's Southern WASP upper class/ military academy kind of background.
He laughed about secretly killing people and had the audience laughing with him, so "pleasantly insincere" like Faul. I felt sick.
I was going to post some comments on this forum about Chuck Barris and the US military/intelligence control of Hollywood and the music industry; you got there ahead ilras.
Chuck Barris also plays the guitar and sings and started his own rock band (maybe handled by the CIA/MI6) called "The Love Machine" in mid-1960s Los Angeles.
MI6 and the CIA, NSA, BND etc. were not "defending democracy" against the Soviet Union; they were aggressively attacking countries in every part of the world to impose capitalist dictatorships, commit genocide against rebellious populations, spread drugs and despair (one major goal of the engineered rock music saturation) and disease, protect Japanese and Nazi war criminals, commit illegal wars and bring back fascism for the benefit of US imperialsm and American corporations.
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Post by JoJo on Jan 14, 2006 10:54:23 GMT -5
This thread must really be touching a nerve: has incredibly received 444 hits as of this writing despite its being started only last night and having one reply. I noticed a swarm of 8 "guests" as I looked at the visitors a few minutes ago. Wow! I have to agree, this many hits in this short a time is completely out of line. And..they disabled java scripting so they don't show up in the stat counter page load count..Hmmm.. I always meant to see that movie, thanks for the reminder.
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Post by il ras on Jan 14, 2006 11:04:59 GMT -5
beatlies, saying "defending democracy", i meant to repeat the same words used in the movie; I don't think, for example, that killing JFK was a big act of democracy... Anyway, hope I didn't become a target!! ;D ;D
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Post by lili on Jan 14, 2006 11:34:10 GMT -5
:oThat's some incredible stuff. Thanks, Ilras !
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 14, 2006 12:38:53 GMT -5
I was thinking the other day that a balding 5'7 JPM in thick glasses walking down the street would hardly be recognized as the 5'11 moptop... but it hadn't occurred to me he might have taken advantage of that to off a few folks for Her Majesty... I had envisioned him using that anonymity to run his own op. But one never knows...
I would add that the dictatorship being set up by the West wee/are more mercantilist and fascist than "capitalist." Certainly not "free market"!
Now I wonder who's linked this thread?
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Post by lili on Jan 16, 2006 11:41:58 GMT -5
Trust me, Paul wouldn't. He was very much into himself. Unless, he was under some sort of mind control & had no knowledge of what he was doing. If that is the case, then he cannot be held responsible for what he did. No more so than Mark David Chapman is responsible for what happened to John. I know that he SUPPOSEDLY shot John. He might've shot AT John. I have to wonder if any of his bullets even hit the man !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 16, 2006 14:29:26 GMT -5
Maybe Mark David Chapman was a goat, something like Oswald in the JFK assassination? He was named as being there, but was there a lone gunman?
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Post by il ras on Jan 17, 2006 3:53:49 GMT -5
LOVELYRITA, pls check my post @ invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1113864218&page=2. It very long, I know, but it's quite interesting... Anyway, the story of US is full of "lonely nuts" that killed very important persons (Kennedys included) that, what a strange combination, were all not friendly with the establishment, meaning the really strong powers that rule US and the World. But if you were in their shoes, would you live the operations in the hands of people completely out of control such as M.D. Chapman? Or would you give the assignment to a professional? The role of these brainwashed (Chapman, Oswald, Sirhan...) was this: being there with a smoking gun and being persuaded of having just shot the victim without really wanting to run away from the crime scene. Try to google "induced model psychosis". In all the cases (JFK, RFK, ML King...) it has been demonstrated that the bullets that killed them, arrived not from the direction where the presumed guilty was... Just another thing... let's not forget who was the CIA's chief in a lot of those years...: Mr. George Bush senior...
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Post by il ras on Jan 17, 2006 3:59:35 GMT -5
Just a short add: for John Winston Lennon the autopsy was non made or, at least, the results were not published.
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Post by lili on Jan 17, 2006 12:37:13 GMT -5
Have you seen this: Not only did they not release the autopsy results, but something strange went on before he was cremated. It appears as if his ear is missing. I wonder if that is why Yucko didn't allow anyone to view his body before the cremation ! What possible reason could there be for a missing ear ? Could it have been used in some kind of occultic ceremony ? Enquiring minds want to know !
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Post by il ras on Jan 17, 2006 17:17:49 GMT -5
I don't see any ear! Anyway isn't it strange that there's no blood at all in that area? Even if he lost a lot of it, there should be some round there....
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Post by JoJo on Jan 17, 2006 17:25:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I said it at TKIN, and I'll say it here..that's a mask..You can clearly see the border. Who is underneath that is anyone's guess..
The chain of custody on this would help, but was this supposedly "slipped out" by someone working in the morgue?
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Post by lili on Jan 18, 2006 10:45:06 GMT -5
The way I remember it is that it was supposed to have been taken by someone from the National Enquirer. They boldly go where no man has gone before In all seriousness, I can't believe that it's a mask. It really does look like John. If it's a mask, then it is a truly professional job. I do know that they remove the scalp & top of the skull during autopsy. It looks like that has been hastily placed back on. That could account for it looking like a mask. This still doesn't explain why the person in this photo has NO EAR !
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 18, 2006 10:46:22 GMT -5
It's Data from Star Trek TNG
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Post by lili on Jan 18, 2006 10:47:42 GMT -5
Could be ;D
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Post by JoJo on Jan 18, 2006 19:10:03 GMT -5
I know the Enquirer traffics in pictures taken by any opportunistic person with a camera, but eh I dunno. I'll just say IMO it looks like something is fake here. I could be wrong, and I'll leave it at that..
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 18, 2006 19:39:39 GMT -5
I agree Jojo, somethings wrong IMO it's that excess, earless, hairless skin.
I know lili says "I do know that they remove the scalp & top of the skull during autopsy", however (I'm no expert), surely they don't practice this in every autopsy particularly in one that they alredy know the cause of death.
Please feel free to correct me as I am ignorant when it comes to autopsies!
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Post by lili on Jan 19, 2006 13:37:43 GMT -5
I watch ALOT of crime TV. Still, I'm also unsure as to whether it's standard procedure or not in cases like John's. He died from bullet wounds to his torso. What reason would they have to remove his brain ? I honestly don't know the answer to that.
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Post by mciiii on Jan 19, 2006 15:15:32 GMT -5
I'm never wanna see this pic and never wanna post it, but the pic posted by Lili is retouched (i'm not say she retouched it) but here is the untouched pic with ears there some hours before, with his killer and here is the death certificate forgive me for post this pic.
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 19, 2006 19:23:59 GMT -5
Sorry Mac3 but that looks even more retouched to me (again not saying you did it) but that ear looks totally wrong and too angular.
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Post by mciiii on Jan 20, 2006 6:40:48 GMT -5
Sorry Mac3 but that looks even more retouched to me (again not saying you did it) but that ear looks totally wrong and too angular. Wrong, and the ear wrong and angular is beacuse is partiality cover for the black bag.
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 20, 2006 8:15:15 GMT -5
OK that's cleared that one up then......
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 21, 2006 22:58:45 GMT -5
They both look very disturbing. It's like some sick and morbid to have these published in any publication...
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