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Post by pennylane on Oct 26, 2004 6:27:38 GMT -5
How can this possibly be the same man? [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by Red Lion on Oct 26, 2004 9:43:35 GMT -5
How can this possibly be the same man? [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"] It's not.
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Post by FlamingPie on Oct 26, 2004 14:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 26, 2004 15:38:16 GMT -5
How can this possibly be the same man? [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"] How can someone compare these? Different angles, different facial expressions, different hair styles, different distance from camera, probably different lenses. Sometimes pictures just come out bad. Just look at drivers license photos. Jeesh, they almost never look like the person.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 26, 2004 20:34:40 GMT -5
How can someone compare these? Different angles, different facial expressions, different hair styles, different distance from camera, probably different lenses. Sometimes pictures just come out bad. Just look at drivers license photos. Jeesh, they almost never look like the person. It's easy.... just take a pic of person A & a pic of person B & then ask how they could be one or the other. No fades needed. I know you guys like posting pics of person A & person B where they seem to look alike, but most of the time they don't.
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Post by revolver on Oct 26, 2004 22:40:46 GMT -5
How can this guy not be Kenny Rogers? Mark Hinds
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Post by pennylane on Oct 27, 2004 8:52:50 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 27, 2004 9:10:23 GMT -5
It's easy.... just take a pic of person A & a pic of person B & then ask how they could be one or the other. No fades needed. I know you guys like posting pics of person A & person B where they seem to look alike, but most of the time they don't. No we take pictures of person A and person A and compare them when the expressions and angles are similar so that you are comparing apples and apples. We have photo ID cards here at work, and looking at some of the pictures, I would have no idea that it is the same person as the one wearing it. I know beyond doubt that two pictures of the same person can look drastically different depending on facial expression, lighting, the type of lense, angle and so on.
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Post by xpt626 on Oct 27, 2004 14:22:44 GMT -5
....I know beyond doubt that two pictures of the same person can look drastically different depending on facial expression, lighting, the type of lense, angle and so on. this "discrepancy" in photos doesn't show up with the other Fabs...even when all four are in the same photo. And the "Paul" pictures differ over a distinct time period. In looking at thousands of pictures (literally), we haven't run across two pre-66 pictures of Paul that don't look like the same person. The "lighting/camera angles" argument was worn out a lonnng time ago. (And my brother is a professional photographer )
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Post by FlamingPie on Oct 27, 2004 14:37:36 GMT -5
Any comments about the pics I posted?
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 27, 2004 15:01:51 GMT -5
The "lighting/camera angles" argument was worn out a lonnng time ago. (And my brother is a professional photographer ) You are saying that lighting/camera angles along with facial expressions can't make someone look different? I've seen it myself with photos of my own family members. And I do think the other Beatles look different in different shots, but nobody does the comparisons like they do with Paul.
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Post by Goldfinger on Oct 27, 2004 15:03:40 GMT -5
Any comments about the pics I posted? I think the Kenny Rogers photo was the comment on your pics, although I don't think it answers the question.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 27, 2004 15:45:57 GMT -5
Any comments about the pics I posted? I (sorta) did FP. "I know you guys like posting pics of person A & person B where they seem to look alike, but most of the time they don't."
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 27, 2004 15:54:16 GMT -5
And I do think the other Beatles look different in different shots, but nobody does the comparisons like they do with Paul. Funny, I don't recall EVER seeing a pic of John George or Ringo that left me wondering who it was & what was goin' on. This only happens with Paul & only after 66. I've been thru our stash at jpm.org a few times & ALL of the pre-67 pics look like JPM & only JPM. Yet most 1967 pics do not look like JPM. Hhmmm, wonder why??
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Post by FlamingPie on Oct 27, 2004 18:02:24 GMT -5
Funny, I don't recall EVER seeing a pic of John George or Ringo that left me wondering who it was & what was goin' on. Because nobody ever told you they were replaced. And I didn't realize that guy was a responce to my post... I don't know who Kenny Rogers is.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 27, 2004 19:36:37 GMT -5
Because nobody ever told you they were replaced. I know of a few PID newbies who's first comments were something to the effect of..... "something just didn't seem right about Paul, & he seems to look different somehow" These folks noticed something different about Paul first & discovered PID second, and I know a number of these folks. So, yer wrong there. I don't know who Kenny Rogers is. Damn..... how could you be SO lucky?? You've been spared... consider yerself lucky!
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Post by FlamingPie on Oct 27, 2004 20:36:45 GMT -5
These folks noticed something different about Paul first & discovered PID second, and I know a number of these folks. So, yer wrong there. I've never read anyone say that here. You saw SK's or Uberkinder's comparisons, then your opinion got locked on Paul being replaced. I don't blame you. It was some pretty convincing stuff.
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Post by JoJo on Oct 27, 2004 21:09:56 GMT -5
I've never read anyone say that here. You saw SK's or Uberkinder's comparisons, then your opinion got locked on Paul being replaced. I don't blame you. It was some pretty convincing stuff. "Here" is not the only place we necessarily discuss this with people who've never considered this before. By that I mean we even broach the subject with "real world" people, believe it or not. At least I have, with varying reactions, but whatever. Because of Uberkinder and then it was all over? Nah not really, it's way too simple to say that. It may have reminded me of what I already knew, from day one of seeing that Pepper cover. I was only seven years old, the cover had been out for a couple of years, but I knew something was wrong. And then I forgot, it was a hoax, etc. Again, it was something I already knew.
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Post by pennylane on Oct 27, 2004 21:18:42 GMT -5
i am one of those people that eyesbleed mentions.. MY STORY My mum was 15 when Beatlemania took it's hold on the world, and yes.. she was one of those girls who was completely obsessed.. you know with the screaming, crying and swooning.. so i have pretty much grown up with The Beatles.. but never really paid a great deal of attention to them. Until a few months ago.. when i was complaining about the lack of decent music out. I was driving home late one night and i had on ABC radio (cause i am sick to death of mainstream) and Please, Please me came on.. and that was it... as soon i as got home, i broke out the records and had myself a beatlesfest Then i decided to watch the Anthology box set.. whilst i'm watching it, and it's going through everything and the Current Paul is talking... i was like.. bloody hell he looks different, but i just thought drugs.. age.. but yet the others didn't seem different to me. Then i get to the last discs.. the 67 and onwards and i was dumbfounded! I immeadiately thought there was no way that could be the same man! So i said to my mum... that is not Paul McCartney.. i was adamant that is was NOT the same man, it was just so obvious to me, and she then went on to tell me the whole PID thing.. and now i am here, I don't put a whole lot of belief in the hearsay of the accident and what not, but i believe my eyes, and to me he is NOT the same person he was pre 67!
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Post by FlamingPie on Oct 27, 2004 21:57:07 GMT -5
i am one of those people that eyesbleed mentions.. MY STORY My mum was 15 when Beatlemania took it's hold on the world, and yes.. she was one of those girls who was completely obsessed.. you know with the screaming, crying and swooning.. so i have pretty much grown up with The Beatles.. but never really paid a great deal of attention to them. Until a few months ago.. when i was complaining about the lack of decent music out. I was driving home late one night and i had on ABC radio (cause i am sick to death of mainstream) and Please, Please me came on.. and that was it... as soon i as got home, i broke out the records and had myself a beatlesfest Then i decided to watch the Anthology box set.. whilst i'm watching it, and it's going through everything and the Current Paul is talking... i was like.. bloody hell he looks different, but i just thought drugs.. age.. but yet the others didn't seem different to me. Then i get to the last discs.. the 67 and onwards and i was dumbfounded! I immeadiately thought there was no way that could be the same man! So i said to my mum... that is not Paul McCartney.. i was adamant that is was NOT the same man, it was just so obvious to me, and she then went on to tell me the whole PID thing.. and now i am here, I don't put a whole lot of belief in the hearsay of the accident and what not, but i believe my eyes, and to me he is NOT the same person he was pre 67! Heh. Fair enough.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 28, 2004 7:42:28 GMT -5
i am one of those people that eyesbleed mentions.. MY STORY My mum was 15 when Beatlemania took it's hold on the world, and yes.. she was one of those girls who was completely obsessed.. you know with the screaming, crying and swooning.. so i have pretty much grown up with The Beatles.. but never really paid a great deal of attention to them. Until a few months ago.. when i was complaining about the lack of decent music out. I was driving home late one night and i had on ABC radio (cause i am sick to death of mainstream) and Please, Please me came on.. and that was it... as soon i as got home, i broke out the records and had myself a beatlesfest Then i decided to watch the Anthology box set.. whilst i'm watching it, and it's going through everything and the Current Paul is talking... i was like.. bloody hell he looks different, but i just thought drugs.. age.. but yet the others didn't seem different to me. Then i get to the last discs.. the 67 and onwards and i was dumbfounded! I immeadiately thought there was no way that could be the same man! So i said to my mum... that is not Paul McCartney.. i was adamant that is was NOT the same man, it was just so obvious to me, and she then went on to tell me the whole PID thing.. and now i am here, I don't put a whole lot of belief in the hearsay of the accident and what not, but i believe my eyes, and to me he is NOT the same person he was pre 67! [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Post by xpt626 on Oct 28, 2004 21:41:23 GMT -5
i am one of those people that eyesbleed mentions.. ...I don't put a whole lot of belief in the hearsay of the accident and what not, but i believe my eyes, and to me he is NOT the same person he was pre 67! [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] thanks, Pennylane
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Post by xpt626 on Oct 28, 2004 22:01:56 GMT -5
You are saying that lighting/camera angles along with facial expressions can't make someone look different? I am saying that the lighting/angles argument as an explanation for the difference in Paul's appearance doesn't hold water. It's been trotted out by PIA'ers constantly, and discussed to death. the obvious differences in these two men have nothing to do with camera angles or lighting. JoJo has photos of The Beatles arriving at the airport pre-and-post-1966. Three Beatles appear to be the same men, the fourth obviously does not. That's one of the most startling things I've ever seen. I don't have any shape-shifters in my family. ;D I've seen photos that are better and worse of each family member, but none that I could not recognize, or thought to be another person. if by "comparisons" you mean fades, I don't know how to do them; and someone who does can fade George Washington into George Jetson, so they're not "reliable". I've looked at as many pix of the other Beatles as I have Paul. After all, during the period of time when we notice the changes, Paul was merely one member of a group of four. I've never seen pix of John, George, or Ringo that looked like another person. (Changes in hairstyle, dress, and age; certainly, but nothing more than that.) If any of the other regulars here have, I'm sure they'll chime in.
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Post by -Wings- on Oct 30, 2004 5:22:41 GMT -5
John probably went through the most radical change appearance wise, going from a clean-cut look to wearing his hair long with glasses. Yet you can tell he's the same man he was from the start, because his facial features remain the same.
Paul, on the other hand, probably changed the least with hairstyle (he retained a close copy of the moptop for the longest time). However, after September '66, his facial features changed more than his clothes did.
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Post by Girl on Nov 23, 2004 7:06:16 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"] xpt...
How can the guy on the right be the same guy as that MAJOR BABE on the left?? Impossible.
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