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Post by FlamingPie on Jan 16, 2005 23:44:14 GMT -5
I know it's been done before, but I thought it would be interesting to do (again). I faded a very young Michael Jackson, with a recent (last 3 years or so) pic of him.  I know you're going to think of this as evidence supporting your argument.  But I still think it's cool. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 16, 2005 23:58:49 GMT -5
I know you're going to think of this as evidence supporting your argument. Not really. He's too young in the pic. |
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Post by FlamingPie on Jan 17, 2005 0:14:09 GMT -5
Not really. He's too young in the pic. I think Dr. Robert had an avatar of himself from a kid to an adult. And the main difference was that as a kid, his nice nose was a bit pointier. Dr. Robert, do you still have that? |
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Post by Doc on Jan 17, 2005 1:36:39 GMT -5
Yes, actually, Khan, over at macca4ever, I think it was, made this for me, and put it up. I think you mean this:  Yea, my nose began to spread, and it's still spreadin' today. If it spreads anymore, I'll have to pay tax in two counties. I don't know if there is a general "rule" of the order and proportion of facial "spreading" of what have you by ages. From some angles, my nose is as pointy as a pyramid; from others, its blunt and bulbous. Depends on how my head is turned............and, I think both Bill and Paul, as well, had this kind of nose phenomenon happenning. (Three different noses, yes, but all with "compound shaping".) I guess to a degree everyone is like that, but it was pronounced enough, I guess, in my earlier years that I had comments about it a few times from well meaning comrades(what a weird thing for people to comment on) but, not too often, but it was brought to my attention by a certain Linda B. in my high school--from which point I wanted to get rhinoplasty to make it more of a "proper nose", whatever the heck that might be, but I never did, and at 47 years old I don't give a flip anymore. I would, back then, try to keep my nostrils from "flaring" when I smiled, by practicing in a mirror (do I sound neurotically-anal-retentive or what!). It didn't work. Dad, sis, and brother got the normal-nostril nose, and mom and I have the flare model. Which she has actually apologized to me for, on occasion. "Is is that bad, mom?" "Yep, you've got the big wide "M-----" nose. What bad luck! I am so sorry! Why didn't you get the genes from the "S-----" side instead...." She actually said, at one point, that wearing a clothes pin on my nose might improve the appearance of it, over time........... Ouch. Parents, don't make your kids "nose conscious" when they are adolescents..... So, this of course leads to comparing with the other kids," Jack and Ted both have better looking, more normal noses than I've got! And Justin has a Roman nose, and looks like an important person! And Terry has a button nose, and all the girls like him best! I look like Elmer Fudd sometimes.....Waaaahhhhhh.." I got over it in time. Well, actually, getting older seemed to shift proportions to a better ratio. More cheek=less nose. Now, I would prefer a small fortune in liposuction. Starting on my wattle. From pig to turkeyneck. Ah, beautification. Vacuum cleaners sucking out the fat. Slurp--sssszzzzzzzzzzzzzezezezezezzzzzzhwhzwhzwhzwhzwhzhzzzzuzussz. I think the clothespin idea was a little cheaper.........  |
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Post by FlamingPie on Jan 17, 2005 1:52:07 GMT -5
Yes, actually, Khan, over at macca4ever, I think it was, made this for me, and put it up. I think you mean this: Yeah, cool.  |
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Post by Doc on Jan 17, 2005 3:21:59 GMT -5
I realize that I did 20 minutes on "my nose" in the above post of mine, but it just points up a reality about the anxiety perople experience over various features they have, and the insecurities and behaviors resulting from it. Michael Jackson has, IMO,experienced an EPIC degree of anxiety, and disappointment, over his own natural appearance, which most of us would agree was perfectly charming, acceptable, beautiful as he was before he ever begged a scalpel cross over his young face. There was never really anything wrong with my nose, really, or Rudolf the Reindeer, or Melanie Griffith, or Liberace, or Ringo, or Streisand, or Bruce Jenner, or Marilyn Monroe, or even Jennifer Grey from "Dirty Dancing." Neither Ms. Streisand nor I (do ya'see how tastelessly I worked our names together into the same sentence?) ---have ever had nose revision. Probably not Ringo, either----but you never know. The rest did, and I marvel at why. Some unfortunate people profit by a well done procedure----that's another story. I wish Jennifer and Melanie could fix 'em back the way they were, but, hey, they own their face, so it's their business. NOw--I am kidding abou the next paragraph--so no lawsuits please--but, I say jokingly, I wish we could start a class action suit against the doctor that screwed up Michael Jackson's face--for forcing us to witness the most disconcerting sight of seeing a man publicly disfigured over time. The fact that it was at MJ's behest not withstanding--we should all Just Say No to gratuitous rhinoplasties. Poor MJ's nose. Maybe in a few years they be able to "culture" his nose from his own DNA in a petre dish, and then just staple it onto his face. Then at least, there would be something between his eyes and his mouth. Why am I being so catty? Because we are witnessing the sad remnant, of what was perhaps the world's greatest pop/soul entertainer at one time, come to a sorry end, and from driving his own little red wagon totally off the road. Michael, use your emergency brake..........  |
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Post by Doc on Jan 17, 2005 3:28:22 GMT -5
Yeah, cool. I see from this fade/avatar, that I am actually, a "bullet-headed saxon"....... for what it's worth........must have been a bad boy...... ya'know this threads' become about me, all about me, I've hi-"Jacked" it away from Jackson. Just all about MY pictures and My head, and MY nose and MY opinions and MY fades and MY life and MY MY ME ME MY MY MINE MINE ME ME ME..... I'd like to restore this thread back to it's original topic owner, on a platter, I think it was the "head of Michael Jackson". On a platter. An MJ Platter. Blue Plate Special. Hmmmm--mm-mm-, yum. Does'zat come with cole slaw? |
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Post by Girl on Jan 17, 2005 19:46:31 GMT -5
This is very sad indeed... you could not find a more gorgeous young man than in the pic on his "Off The Wall" album... Michael, what have you done? Golden Boy meets Frankenstein... and to think he won't even admit to 1/4 of the surgery he's had... like we're all stupid. God, after looking at that fade, I need one of these....  BTW, that fade of Doc is very cool, and definitely shows the same guy...  |
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Post by JoJo on Jan 17, 2005 22:48:49 GMT -5
The eye spacing may be the only thing left that's the same. Cheeks, jaw, nose, lips, skin color, is there anything left? MJ's aim seems to be to be to get as far away from the person he once was..(he succeeded) We know what MJ looked like once, so the idea that somehow he could write it off as a nose job or two is not convincing to most. Maybe he looks in the mirror long enough and convinces himself that's all that has changed, who knows.
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Post by Doc on Jan 18, 2005 0:46:57 GMT -5
Well, he sang about it, didn't he? Yes, right, Jojo. So, he changed what was on the outside and suffered even more with what was on the inside. He thought he could fix the pain inside with a massive make-over.
And, now, the disfigurement on the outside is mirroring the distortion on the inside, for the world to see. What was hidden from us fans beforehand is now etched on his face in plain view. The pain, the withering away, the identity confusion, the discomfort with his own racial identity as well.
At least, that's how it looks, on the outside.........
I have come to the opinion that Jackson would benefit with long term treatment; a commitment on his part to forsake slumber parties and other associations with youths, that make for a questionable appearance, even perhaps submit to a kind of helpful supervision----if he's cleared, that is. If convicted, of course, his steps will be chosen. "Off the Wall" might well become "Behind the Bars".
The opportunist parents who virtually baited Michael, and one imagines not all of them were such, but the one's who were, are just as responsible for this mess as Michael. Did they miss the news reports the first time around? Well, I guess if they were to poor to own a TV......
I would like to see this tortured sould get help, real, positive, help, if it were possible. They say child molesters never change; the statistics offer little hope; but the circumstances that gave the world a brilliant performer like Jackson also served to injure a delicate, creative psyche. Pehaps some truly dysfunctional family
members as well..........
His career did a lot for a lot of people. He has, possibly, a grave flaw in his moral/psychological make-up. Does society now destroy or dispose of him summarily? (if found guilty?) When it all comes to the fore, to what degree will we find MJ to be the predator?
And, depending on the eventual measure of the "scope" of that, will there be any room left for imposing some merciful intervention on MJ the victim?
When did he cross the line from child victim, to victimizer? (OK, until the case is done, "alleged".)
Think how much peril awaits him in the average prison. So far, the allegations about Jackson, as far as I have seen, include no violence, force, physical injury, or brute coersion. It would be an open and shut case indeed, if there were abrasions, injuries, black and blue marks, etc, on these kids.
While no one should justify things he may have been doing, the brutal physical pay-back he would probably get behind bars could range all the way to life-threatening. There are those of a view that all such child molesters should recieve capital punishment.
Certainly Jeffrey Dahmer, in his manifest sick pratices, murders, cannibalism, sexual tortures, and kidnappings of young boys, deserved the swiftest, fullest measure of the law. He knew what he was; he knew he deserved to die. Die he did; though it would have been better for the state to have carried it out. I forget whether or not that was an option in his state of conviction.
At any rate, if Jackson is shown to have partipated in sexual acts with minors, unlawful pedophilic activities, then he will be sentenced to serve in prison, at the least, which is deserved and right.
I don't think the weight of evidence (or in anyone's mind), shows Jackson as being criminally on a par with Dahmer. It's a leap from
possibly so many counts of oral sodomy to a minor, to multiple counts of kidnapping, mutilation, torture, and murder.
I just hate to see Jackson in jeopardy of the same kind of end.
Some people may be in favor of it, though, in Jackson's case. I have heard a couple of people, one a radio DJ in this town, say on air, that MJ deserves what happened to Dahmer.
Well, some are going to feel this way about it. The inequity, though, comes in with this idea;
If such is morally true, then Jeffrey Dahmer got off LIGHT.
But as I imagine myself in the place of any one of Dahmer's victims (I don't even recommend thinking about it, yuchchchch!) I realize, oh yes, he got off light. Very light.
OK, what a stupid thing to do. Seeing yourself tied up helpless, and locked into a stranger's house, and this sicko psycho stranger is approaching you to cut you to pieces while you are still living. That is the horror of what his poor victim's suffered through.
I will NOT be able to go to sleep at all tonight after thinking about that crap.
Darn it. If anybody has any words to lift me out of the vision of hell I just gave myself, please do so.
To the liquor cabinet. No, that won't work. I am nauseous.
You know, we come here and post and post, and sometimes take a few left turns, but man, this last post is like a car in the ditch.
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Post by JoJo on Jun 13, 2005 18:12:51 GMT -5
Well...looks like it's all over..
I wasn't really surprised.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Jun 23, 2005 11:22:23 GMT -5
Touché!  Kindergarden---6th grade Don't ask how my eyes grow and whatnot, its the changing proportions in the face.........AT A YOUNG AGE!!! |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 23, 2005 21:53:59 GMT -5
Interesting to see the changes of the aging face...
But for MJ...he was a nice looking black man and now looks like a strange goth white woman.
Talk about changing the way he was....
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Post by lili on Dec 27, 2005 11:18:44 GMT -5
What saddens me is that he started all of that plastic surgery crap AFTER he did those songs with Bill.
As far as I'm concerned, Bill ruined that man's life !
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Post by Doc on Dec 27, 2005 11:54:34 GMT -5
What saddens me is that he started all of that plastic surgery crap AFTER he did those songs with Bill. As far as I'm concerned, Bill ruined that man's life ! Well, but you know, a procedure or two might have been OK. But, when it gets to the point, that you look in the mirror one day, and you have to say to yourself, "OK, my nose is falling outta my head," wouldn't you say to yourself, "OK, I don't need annnn-y more rhinoplasty." Right? I mean, as you begin looking more and more like a styrofoam wig head, you think silently, "Gee, I've perhaps gone a bit too far. Mayhaps Sir Paul didn't mean that I should attempt to recarve Mount Rushmore right off'en my face," I mean, just a dozen or so less whacks off the nose would have worked so much better. OK, I didn't mean for this to sound quite so b***hy to you, lili, sorry. I was expressing my dismay that Michael doggedly went on having the surgeons carve away. Now, it's not like I don't have to admit that I've been out of control a time or two with nervous habits or excessive spending or sipping (HA!) Baileys or whatever. Cause I have. But I've still got me schnoz and it makes me happy to have one to breathe thru. Poor Michael. But I don't blame Wiliam for Michaels deviated septum. Deviated? No, missing. Missing. No bridge, No septum. No nostrils. No tip. If anybody else had been Michael, they'd a' started screamin' at the surgeons, "Keep that dad blamed scalpel away from me...." You get what I mean? I don't think Sir Paul sent him a telegram once a month from England saying "I really think you should lop off some more, Michael, just another few millimeters...." |
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Post by Doc on Dec 27, 2005 12:47:58 GMT -5
Why am I writing so testy? Its not you, lili......... I tried to explain further and I made it worse sounding. Proving once again, that even small amounts of sleep deprivation can make a middle aged man testy for no reason, whatsoever. Hear that researchers? Sigh. Arrgh. My life is like a poorly run biology experiment........... Which makes my home a sort of "petri dish". Boy, I am glad the maids are coming tomorrow. But the point of this thread.......the plastic surgery thread. Ah, yes. Cosmetic surgery. Well, I aint gettin' any. It is what it is. |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Dec 27, 2005 22:59:08 GMT -5
I don't think Bill's plastic surgery can compare to MJ's.
Bill was trying to replace someone else.
MJ is trying to replace himself...someone tell him it does not work that way.
The MJ/ Bill connection could go back to "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except for Me and My Monkey"...remember MJ and Bubbles?
Maybe Bill took young MJ into his "chambers" and taught him all he knows...
The deeper you go, the higher you fly...
Of course, in those days, the drugs were more potent. Before Keith Richards got his hands on the rest of it.
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Post by lili on Jan 3, 2006 14:02:44 GMT -5
That's an interesting connection, Rita. Very. Now, I always thought that Johnny was singing about him & his pet ;D Anyway, is Bubbles old enough to fit the Bill Okay I admit it, that was bad   Oh no, I think I caught it from the Doc. Some Doc he is. Spreading the disease rather than curing it ;D Poor Michael, he really chose poorly when he chose Bill as his friend  |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 3, 2006 14:52:38 GMT -5
That's an interesting connection, Rita. Very. Now, I always thought that Johnny was singing about him & his pet ;D Anyway, is Bubbles old enough to fit the Bill Okay I admit it, that was bad Oh no, I think I caught it from the Doc. Some Doc he is. Spreading the disease rather than curing it ;D Poor Michael, he really chose poorly when he chose Bill as his friend I think Michael was messed up before he met Bill, but it sure doesn't favor Bill thinking about it. |
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 3, 2006 19:15:02 GMT -5
So Michael is only screwed up because he met Bill and Bill is as bad as MJ?
Yah, Ok!
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Post by JoJo on Jan 3, 2006 20:08:34 GMT -5
Yeah I've been meaning to reply to this, but if you read some bios, which granted may have inaccuracies, the common theme is: Michael had one screwed up childhood. An abusive father, a mother who didn't intervene, his brothers messing around with girls in the same room with him, when he was still a little kid.. The groundwork for his transformation was laid long long before he became what we see today.
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Post by JoJo on Dec 24, 2006 21:45:45 GMT -5
Update: he's back..
Interesting aside in the article, Howard Hughes started his long mental breakdown in November of 1966.
Dec. 24, 2006
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
NORM: Michael Jackson landing on Strip?
Update:
Reclusive superstar Michael Jackson arrived in Las Vegas late Saturday to begin a comeback in a city famous for reviving careers. Jackson and his three children arrived by private plane about 10:30 p.m. Saturday after a flight from Dublin, Ireland.
Posted: 10:45 a.m.
Michael Jackson's 18-month self-imposed exile in Europe is coming to an end, sources say.
Ending 18 months of seclusion in Europe, reclusive superstar Michael Jackson was on a plane to the United States late Saturday bound for Las Vegas, where he plans a comeback.
Jackson and his three children, Prince Michael, Paris and Prince Michael II were due to arrive before midnight at a private executive terminal at McCarran International Airport, sources said.
We hear that Jackson's friend, Las Vegas dealmaker Jack Wishna, was instrumental in having the pop icon move back to the United States.
Reminiscent of Howard Hughes' secretive arrival in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving Day in 1966, Jackson's surprise move came after his father, Joe Jackson, vowed his son would not live in the United States again.
The 48-year-old deposed King of Pop has lived in Bahrain and a Celtic castle in Ireland since being acquitted in California of child molestation charges in June 2005.
Wishna, reached by telephone, wouldn't comment, other than to confirm Jackson was moving to Las Vegas and to say, "We are working on several projects."
Jackson has had more than a dozen No. 1 hits on the U.S. charts, the last in 1995. He has not toured since the mid-1990s.
Wishna wouldn't say where Jackson might land on the Strip. Wishna made headlines during Jackson's trial when he courted the entertainer, saying a Jackson comeback would earn a Celine Dion-like contract in Las Vegas.
Calling Jackson "one of the greatest entertainers in the world," Wishna said the singer "is poised to return to the top of the entertainment world soon."
It's the latest coup for Wishna. Two years ago, he brokered a deal that put Donald Trump's $2.8 billion Trump International Hotel & Tower on Phil Ruffin's New Frontier site.
After arriving in Las Vegas in 1999, Wishna put together a deal potentially worth $250 million for Wayne Newton at the Stardust. Wishna has dealt with Michael Flatley, Britney Spears, Richard Branson and Mohamed al-Fayed on Las Vegas deals.
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But I still think it's cool.
