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Post by JoJo on Oct 5, 2005 4:48:15 GMT -5
I know this will never happen, but his detractors should listen to his whole catalog first..Then you may comment.
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Post by pennylane on Oct 5, 2005 6:53:02 GMT -5
not a singular genuine person writing with his own one voice... You say that so factual. You don't know that. If people like yourself actually spent more time listening and enjoying Sir Paul instead of ridiculing and insulting him, you may realise that there is an underlying emotional theme to his music.. something I feel that LMNOP105 agents or whatever couldn't possibly create. On another note.. I'm just gonna be honest and put this out there: I believe Paul was replaced but... I think Paul is alive. I think Paul is in the Let it Be film. I think that maybe sometime over the past 10 or so years Paul came back so to speak.. I just feel that the man today is Paul McCartney.. possibly. blue eyes throws me but, hey.. I like to think outside the box!
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 5, 2005 7:33:15 GMT -5
I've bcome a pretty big Billy fan over the last couple of years... what with the Fireman, Twin Freaks, LSC, & now the absolutely amazin' Chaos & creation. But I think it's a fair assumption that over the last 35+yrs that there's been some ghost writting goin' on. Starting with Hey Jude & LIB. Of course this started with some of the songs in Help! so it was nothing new.
I tend to agree with Jojo in that I'm sure he had more help early on, but has evolved into a pretty good artist in his own right. I have a lot of respect for the man nowdays.
Listen to his ENTIRE solo catalogue first? I'm afraid that I'd never make it thru the "silly love song" albums without havin' to do something drastic.... like blowin' my brains out!
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Post by JoJo on Oct 5, 2005 17:57:47 GMT -5
Listen to his ENTIRE solo catalogue first? I'm afraid that I'd never make it thru the "silly love song" albums without havin' to do something drastic.... like blowin' my brains out! Heh, no need to do anything drastic EB, lol. Maybe work backwards, that would be safer, then you won't have to go lookin' for your piece.. A funny thing happened on the way to the forum, I started listening to Bill's music for research, (never having considered worth my time before) and started to like it. More certain periods, especially Flaming Pie on, and Back to the Egg from the Wings era. Anyway, TI mentioned getting inside his head, and it's there in the music IMO. Music hath those darned charms..
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 6, 2005 7:42:44 GMT -5
A funny thing happened on the way to the forum, I started listening to Bill's music for research, (never having considered worth my time before) and started to like it. More certain periods, especially Flaming Pie on, and Back to the Egg from the Wings era. Listening to Billy for research... now that's a unique way of becoming a fan. I've got most of the earliest cd's already. Actually, in the early 70's, the McCartney albums were the only solo works that I cared for.... except for John's song Instant Karma.... so I had the Shaved Fish album & all the early McCartneys..... thru Band on The Run. So... maybe I could go it in reverse & only wade in to knee-deep. When things start to get too sweet & bland, then I'll have to retreat! I had recently got Driving Rain, so last week I left it in the car long enough to run thru it a few times. Not a bad cd. There's about 4 really good tracks; the rest I don't care for, but overall it's not too bad. The one thing that struck me was Driving Rain is a Billy album thru & thru. There is no essence of JPM there at all. Even tho DR is a fair album, it's lightyears away from C&C. So, ya...... since I am a fan of the guy now, I may have to work my way backwards & check out a few more cd's. ..... to a point!
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Post by beatlies on Oct 7, 2005 1:23:52 GMT -5
Faul's "Let It Be" is Gilbert Becaud's 50's hit "Let It Be Me" maybe mixed with some overlay of "Whiter Shade of Pale" (a favorite of Lennon's) and / or "Hey Jude." Faul's "Hey Jude" has much of the same phrasing and structure of Donovan's "Mellow Yellow" that Faul did voices on, including what appears to be a professional mimicking of Donovan (Fonovan) at the "Quite Rightly" part. Bill Sheppard is a mimic. It's also segmented like Mellow Yellow into what sounds like a verse and chorus part then a break, then an ecstatic drawn out part. It's also occured to me that it sounds close to "Whiter Shade of Pale," the music of which is originally a Bach piece. Let It Be Me, originally a French song of Gilbert Becaud's, had been previously covered by Elvis Presley and the Everly Brothers, and by the Grateful Dead in 1969 in concert, after the "Let It Be" studio recordings, but before Let It Be had been publicly released, maybe because US intelligence told them what the Beatles had been doing? The Grateful Dead are a magnet for those kind of "conspiracy theories." Here is the link for a midi of Let It Be Me ... It's so close that at first you may think you are listening to Let It Be ! www.smickandsmodoo.com/lyrics/letitbeme.htm
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Post by TotalInformation on Oct 7, 2005 1:45:48 GMT -5
The recording date for Mellow Yellow seems to be June 66. That was JPM.
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Post by Doc on Oct 7, 2005 3:27:34 GMT -5
Faul's "Let It Be" is Gilbert Becaud's 50's hit "Let It Be Me" maybe mixed with some overlay of "Whiter Shade of Pale" (a favorite of Lennon's) and / or "Hey Jude." Faul's "Hey Jude" has much of the same phrasing and structure of Donovan's "Mellow Yellow" that Faul did voices on, including what appears to be a professional mimicking of Donovan (Fonovan) at the "Quite Rightly" part. Bill Sheppard is a mimic. It's also segmented like Mellow Yellow into what sounds like a verse and chorus part then a break, then an ecstatic drawn out part. It's also occured to me that it sounds close to "Whiter Shade of Pale," the music of which is originally a Bach piece. Let It Be Me, originally a French song of Gilbert Becaud's, had been previously covered by Elvis Presley and the Everly Brothers, and by the Grateful Dead in 1969 in concert, after the "Let It Be" studio recordings, but before Let It Be had been publicly released, maybe because US intelligence told them what the Beatles had been doing? The Grateful Dead are a magnet for those kind of "conspiracy theories." Here is the link for a midi of Let It Be Me ... It's so close that at first you may think you are listening to Let It Be ! www.smickandsmodoo.com/lyrics/letitbeme.htm
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Post by beatlies on Oct 7, 2005 3:33:12 GMT -5
According to the wikipedia entires for Donovan and Mellow Yellow the song was released in October 1966, and JPM did not whisper "Quite Rightly," which seems accurate since as I said it sounds like Donovan. It's possible JPM is not heard on the Mellow Yellow recording and his being there is a myth. In any case, Donovan was a friend of the Beatles and contributed lyrics (which lyrics, wikipedia?) and vocals to the song Yellow Submarine, and went to India with the Beatles, Bill Sheppard and Mia (Fia?) Farrow and the Beach Boys' Michael Love, and Lennon wrote The Maharishi Song about the experience and he mentions the CIA. Try googling on the web to listen to this song.
From the wikipedia entry for Mellow Yellow---
"It has been rumored that Donovan's friend Paul McCartney whispers the "quite rightly" part of "Mellow Yellow", but this is actually whispered by Donovan. It is possible that Paul was in the studio crowd heard cheering at the end of the song [sic --the beginning of the ecstatic part --beatlies] but it has been contested whether or not Paul was there at all."
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Post by TotalInformation on Oct 7, 2005 12:27:43 GMT -5
Donovan wrote the line "sky of blue, sea of green."
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Post by beatlies on Nov 1, 2005 23:28:23 GMT -5
19 September 2005
TIME TO LET IT BE, MACCA
Mirror Music Critic GAVIN MARTIN's verdict on Sir Paul's dire US tour
SIR Paul McCartney's accomplishments are legendary. But on the opening night of his US tour, he achieved the unthinkable... and made the Beatles' legacy sound tired.
Macca has long looked like a man desperately trying to hide his age. But this performance exposed weaknesses far greater than mere passing years.
First came a supremely sycophantic film about the life of the great man himself that preceded the show. If proof were still needed, it blew away any pretence that Mister McArtless is a modest, down-to-earth bloke.
And while the 18,000 fans at the American Airlines Stadium, Miami - happy merely to be in the presence of a living Beatle - may have tolerated such a film, surely he won't dare show it when he comes to the UK.
But maybe he will - the movie suggests that Sir Paul is under the illusion he was recently made a saint, rather than a knight.
Yes, McCartney's past achievements are great, so are only worth revisiting with deep commitment and raging conviction - qualities conspicuously absent for much of this show.
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The opening Magical Mystery Tour was plodding where it should have been spectacular. On Jet, he sang flat over a dragging tempo. Later, he tarnished pop jewels such as Penny Lane with a grating, cheesy delivery.
Of course, with such a rich songbook to call on, it's impossible to play a complete howler.
But while the excitement level rose for Drive My Car and a solo take on the new Jenny Wren had real passion and beauty, even show-stopping rockers such as Back In The USSR and Helter Skelter failed to soar.
Perhaps sixtysomething fatherhood has sapped Sir Macca's energy reserves. But what excuse did his comparatively young American band have? When Macca did manage to work himself into a frenzy - on I Got A Feeling and Maybe I'm Amazed - the band couldn't stop it sounding forced.
Sadly, compared to last month's "all guns blazing" return of Mick Jagger and the Stones, Macca was an embarrassment - a reminder that he founded the school of bland, nice-guy rock performance.
Small wonder, then, that he's content to be the custodian of a musical museum dedicated to himself, rather than be an artist with something vital to impart.
WHILE keen to appear as a good-natured man of the people, McCartney's cynicism and egotism are also never far from the surface.
Indeed, it was shameful that with over half the set consisting of Beatles songs, no meaningful tribute was paid to John and George.
His former colleagues probably wouldn't be surprised to see Macca raid the collective piggy bank so freely.
But some acknowledgement would have been only fair.
After all, if Paul hadn't met them, the pushy Beatle would probably have ended up as some dreadful Cliff Richard-style cabaret rocker... Come to think of it, that's exactly how he appeared for most of this show.
Time-honoured singalongs Get Back and Hey Jude may have sent the crowd home on a high but the humbling of a musical hero was completed by his final entrance onstage - shamelessly brandishing an American flag.
The show that he'd just given didn't warrant it and with the country still reeling from the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, flag-waving hardly seemed appropriate.
It seems there is no one who'll tell Sir Paul when to let it be. And, as George Harrison would say, isn't that a pity?
10 BEATLES SONGS HE MURDERED
FIXING A HOLE: Rare outing for Pepper classic, spoiled by weary delivery.
COUNT 'EM: Macca
GOOD DAY SUNSHINE: An effervescent soul classic from Revolver goes off without a bang.
GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE: Love song to dope goes to pot. [Is this what the song is actually about?]
IN SPITE OF ALL THE DANGER: First recorded with Lennon in 1958 - this version fails to roll back the years.
YESTERDAY: Sadly, it's not half the song it used to be.
HEY JUDE: Nah Nah Nah... a rock proms classic is now a singalong at funeral march tempo.
'TIL THERE WAS YOU: Hotel foyer music with cloying "Can I show you to your table?" Spanish waiter guitar solo.
I GOT A FEELING: Overwrought vocals fail to live up to the song title.
FOR NO ONE: Gorgeous ballad but pale imitation of the 1966 original.
I'LL GET YOU: A wedding band-style approach fails to capture the original's glee and beauty.
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Post by Doc on Nov 2, 2005 4:57:16 GMT -5
Yo, Gavin? Blow it out your
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Post by JoJo on Nov 2, 2005 5:49:26 GMT -5
The few negative reviews (that are FAR outnumbered by the positive ones) that I've seen have a bitchy tone like this, written no doubt by a frustrated hack looking to take down a big target.
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Post by lj on Nov 3, 2005 1:46:08 GMT -5
PS: He has blue eyes, not brown, not green/hazel, they are blue, no question about it, the lighting was more than adequate to make it out..Maybe there will be a story soon where he says he's been experimenting with blue contacts, but that's what I saw. that reminded me of something. remember that john music video in which at some point he showed some people's faces and one of them looked a lot like paul? but with blue eyes? and that was at the time bill had "green/brown/hazel" eyes right?
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Post by lj on Nov 3, 2005 1:47:38 GMT -5
and oh... here is VERY jealous hehe i've never been ashamed to admit i liked his music so going to a concert would be fantastic for sure. we want pics! we want pics! (i know, i know, asking the impossible)
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Post by Doc on Nov 3, 2005 2:49:02 GMT -5
The few negative reviews (that are FAR outnumbered by the positive ones) that I've seen have a bitchy tone like this, written no doubt by a frustrated hack looking to take down a big target. Dittos, Rush.
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Post by JoJo on Nov 3, 2005 17:39:19 GMT -5
Heh! Well, all I can say is that whenever one of the first lines starts out by mentioning someone's advancing age, as it pertains to one's ability to entertain, about either him or anyone else, I don't usually bother reading the rest. (the years will go by for the writer a lot faster than he/she thinks..) that reminded me of something. remember that john music video in which at some point he showed some people's faces and one of them looked a lot like paul? but with blue eyes? and that was at the time bill had "green/brown/hazel" eyes right? There is a thread around here somewhere, that was in the "Crippled Inside" video, a song that was aimed at Bill, although John backpeddled later on, saying it was about him instead. Yes, the face was a Bill/Paul lookalike, but with quite blue eyes. and oh... here is VERY jealous hehe i've never been ashamed to admit i liked his music so going to a concert would be fantastic for sure. we want pics! we want pics! (i know, i know, asking the impossible) I can do better than that in not too long.. But shhh.. you are supposed to hate him, remember? ;D Nice having a back and forth with ya LJ, like a blast from the past!
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Post by lj on Nov 4, 2005 1:20:15 GMT -5
I can do better than that in not too long.. But shhh.. you are supposed to hate him, remember? ;D unfortunately i wasn't able to get it from my "sources". it was incomplete ah yeah hate him... ;D ;D hehe what can i say... someday i'll have something interesting to say so i figured i could start training my typing again ;D ;D
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