I say hello

[The Duke of Spiders]

Hi folks I'm the Duke of Spiders and I found out about all this on TKIN a year ago or so and I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this but I know one thing and that's that theres no way Neil Aspinall and DOn Knotts replaced Paul and Brian, that stuff is just silly.

[lili]

Welcome, Duke ! Glad to have you onboard. I agree that TKIN has been spinning some weird webs as of late ! ;D

[fourthousandholes]

Well, i think they did, for a little while, but what the heck.
Welcome!

[LOVELYRITA]

Neil Aspinall is believable, after all, he was closely connected with the Beatles. But Don Knotts has no logical connection with the Beatles and it's just too ridiculous to really think it's possible he could pull it off.

[Doc]

lovelyrita said:

Neil Aspinall is believable, after all, he was closely connected with the Beatles. But Don Knotts has no logical connection with the Beatles and it's just too ridiculous to really think it's possible he could pull it off.

Right on both counts, LR. 4000--you have a right to your opinion, maybe I am wrong. But IF Don Knotts did anything what like has been proposed, then he deserves to have been given an Academy Award the size of Cleveland.

[beatlies]

doctorrobert said:

lovelyrita said:

Neil Aspinall is believable, after all, he was closely connected with the Beatles. But Don Knotts has no logical connection with the Beatles and it's just too ridiculous to really think it's possible he could pull it off.

Right on both counts, LR. 4000--you have a right to your opinion, maybe I am wrong. But IF Don Knotts did anything what like has been proposed, then he deserves to have been given an Academy Award the size of Cleveland.

Why? All that would be required would be for him to don a disguise, make-up, padding in his clothes, maybe some plastic surgery, and show up in public for "Brian Epstein"'s suspiciously few public appearances in 1967. It would take some acting talent, and an affected English accent. Interesting that Knotts was a skilled US Army ventriloquist.

There's acting on a stage or studio set, and there's acting "out in the open" ---spies/secret agents who are not even professional actors do this all the time, sometimes under heavy pressure. How difficult is this really, with practice?

[Doc]

beatlies said:

doctorrobert said:

Right on both counts, LR. 4000--you have a right to your opinion, maybe I am wrong. But IF Don Knotts did anything what like has been proposed, then he deserves to have been given an Academy Award the size of Cleveland.

Why? All that would be required would be for him to don a disguise, make-up, padding in his clothes, maybe some plastic surgery, and show up in public for "Brian Epstein"'s suspiciously few public appearances in 1967. It would take some acting talent, and an affected English accent. Interesting that Knotts was a skilled US Army ventriloquist.

There's acting on a stage or studio set, and there's acting "out in the open" ---spies/secret agents who are not even professional actors do this all the time, sometimes under heavy pressure. How difficult is this really, with practice?

Good point.

Actually, we ALL do it. Everyone in the world does this at one time or another. We do it for different reasons: to keep a job, to avoid insulting our best friend, spouse, or lover, we do it to avoid a scene, to defuse a tense situation, to garner praise, get a raise, please relatives, gratify our egos, quell gossip, help out a friend, sponge a meal when you're broke--on the other hand, the "dark" side, it is done to get revenge, steal an opportunity, avoid suspicions, start gossip, pull the wool over someone's eyes, perpetrate a con for to manipulate a victim for money, favors, drugs!, a place to stay, sponge a meal when you're rich.........lol

People "ACT" when what they HAVE to do, want to do, need to do, or are forced to do is accomplished only by doing so.

When are any of us totally transparent, guileless, without a routine or game, or MO or
desperate need.

But, looking at the Epstein films, and there seem to be few FOR NOW (watch as announcements come of "recently stumbled across Epstein interviews long lost in the vaults of BBC-2")--but, forgive me for saying so, I am satisfied for my own purposes (God, what are they?) that is that were Don Knotts there doing Brian, I would still see thru the wigs/make-up/latex/effects and see the man I'll always see as Barney Fife.

And Knotts did not posess the vocal cords to make Brian's deeper voice. I've heard him talk "low" and it's forced and shallow; simply an impossible voice match.

It wasn't Brian, but it wasn't Don Knotts.

I could be wrong. But, hmm......I have confidence in my perceptions on this particular account.......

[beatlies]

doctorrobert said:

beatlies said:

Why? All that would be required would be for him to don a disguise, make-up, padding in his clothes, maybe some plastic surgery, and show up in public for "Brian Epstein"'s suspiciously few public appearances in 1967. It would take some acting talent, and an affected English accent. Interesting that Knotts was a skilled US Army ventriloquist.

There's acting on a stage or studio set, and there's acting "out in the open" ---spies/secret agents who are not even professional actors do this all the time, sometimes under heavy pressure. How difficult is this really, with practice?

Good point.

Actually, we ALL do it. Everyone in the world does this at one time or another. We do it for different reasons: to keep a job, to avoid insulting our best friend, spouse, or lover, we do it to avoid a scene, to defuse a tense situation, to garner praise, get a raise, please relatives, gratify our egos, quell gossip, help out a friend, sponge a meal when you're broke--on the other hand, the "dark" side, it is done to get revenge, steal an opportunity, avoid suspicions, start gossip, pull the wool over someone's eyes, perpetrate a con for to manipulate a victim for money, favors, drugs!, a place to stay, sponge a meal when you're rich.........lol

People "ACT" when what they HAVE to do, want to do, need to do, or are forced to do is accomplished only by doing so.

When are any of us totally transparent, guileless, without a routine or game, or MO or
desperate need.

But, looking at the Epstein films, and there seem to be few FOR NOW (watch as announcements come of "recently stumbled across Epstein interviews long lost in the vaults of BBC-2")--but, forgive me for saying so, I am satisfied for my own purposes (God, what are they?) that is that were Don Knotts there doing Brian, I would still see thru the wigs/make-up/latex/effects and see the man I'll always see as Barney Fife.

And Knotts did not posess the vocal cords to make Brian's deeper voice. I've heard him talk "low" and it's forced and shallow; simply an impossible voice match.

It wasn't Brian, but it wasn't Don Knotts.

I could be wrong. But, hmm......I have confidence in my perceptions on this particular account.......

From the Hullaballoo youtube Brian footage I posted here Brian (if that is him and not a Frian/double) seems to have a soft voice, not deep.

People's acting in real life actually seems better than when they're on a stage or on camera, that's when they "freeze up" and become wooden/stilted, an interesting phenomenon I've noticed and wondered about. Some sort of psychological effect?

Have you found any pictures or motion picture video of Frian in 1967 when Knotts is alleged to have impostered him? If so could you please post them or a link? There has not yet been a 1967 video of "Brian" posted, that would be the alleged Knotts period.

I'm beginning to suspect Brian Epstein may have been a role with actors playing the B.E. part like Vivian Stanshall and Neill Aspinall?

What's the deal with their first manager Alan Williams who supposedly sent them to Hamburg, West Germany of all places.

[eyesbleed]

..... and didn't Otis the town drunk fill in for Ringo? ;D

[beatlies]

eyesbleed said:

..... and didn't Otis the town drunk fill in for Ringo? ;D

Which Ringo do you mean? There were three of them at last count. In the 1990s "RIngo" claimed to be an alcoholic, prompting the Howard Stern song parody of "you know it don't come easy" titled "you know I got the DTs" .....

I been throwing up since the Beatles broke up
and you know I got the DTs ....

[I'm] a bass drum playing Yoko Ono ......

[LOVELYRITA]

eyesbleed said:

..... and didn't Otis the town drunk fill in for Ringo? ;D

Yes, and here's the low down on the Mayberry Gone Liverpool connection.....

George "Goober" Lindsey replaced the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi...and he's better known as "Fogi"

Jim Nabors sang "Lady Madonna" and "Back In The USSR" and "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" with electronic enhancements.....

Aunt Bea replaced Marianne Faithful....

Ernest T. Bass was a stand in for Charlie Brill when he was not standing in for John Lennon

Floyd the Barber replaced Buster Bloodvessel


...and last but certainly not least...Little Opie Ron Howard stood in for Peter Asher, Jane's brother......