lucifer

[B]

Whoever did this video does a pretty good '101' on Lucifer. I have posted it here because
it 'cuts to the chase' pretty well, and may shed some light on another Beatle clue which I'll discuss.

The Secret Of Lucifer
Revealing the true identity of Lucifer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE0vUL8mQc

At 03:39, we're told that the Lucifer of Isaiah 14 is king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.
While many here are Bible scholars, and will know this, many of you are not, so I'll tell you
this about Nebuchadnezzar. For 7 years of his reign he lost his mind, and was out in the fields,
eating grass like a cow, while his associates ran the kingdom. This was, according to the Bible,
a punishment from God for not acknowledging God as the real God.
In any case, it occurs to me that the final verse of "Mother Nature's Son" may, in fact,
be a tongue-in-cheek reference to Faul having been
Nebuchadnezzar in a previous life.
(He "used to be bad", as he tells you in his song of that name.)

"Find me in my field of grass
Mother Nature's Son
swaying daisies sing
a lazy song beneath the sun
tu tu, yeah yeah yeah

Ooo
Ooo
Ah, Mother Nature's Son"

As is pointed out in the tutorial, Lucifer, otherwise, is Venus aka 'Lucy'.
So "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is Venus in the sky with stars.
(And you thought it was about LSD! )
And, for what it's worth, Venus is the Love goddess.
And for what it's worth (and I assure you it's not worth much), LSD could be for "Latter Day Saints"
if you have dyslexia.
But in any case, after "the mother" comes "the son".

After the pink glow of dawn comes the bright sun of day:



literally and figuratively.

[jarvitronics]

letterb1 said:

<snip>And for what it's worth (and I assure you it's not worth much), LSD could be for "Latter Day Saints" if you have dyslexia.<snip>

I remember back in 1986 when Star Trek IV came out, the one where they all travel back to our time to save the whales. Captain Kirk is explaining to the whale lady why Mr. Spock is so strange, and he says that back in the sixties Spock had "too much LDS." I saw the film in Utah and that line brought the house down. I saw the movie again in Florida and hardly anybody laughed.

-j

[B]

;D Interesting, -j.

And seeing as how I'm on kind of a religious (rock and) roll right now,
(See? I'm the butter on a hot cross bun. )
I guess I might as well address the matter of that 23 that keeps showing up in places like Yellow
Submarine and freaky iamaphoney videos.
Sure: 2 Pauls + 3 Beatles, and all that, but me thinks that many of the Beatle clues were patterned
on well-known (at the time) Christian verses. So: What's one of the perenniel favorites of Christendom?

The 23rd Psalm

The Lord is my Shepherd;
I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: (find me in my field of grass)
He leadeth me beside the still waters. (see the waters rise)
He restoreth my soul:
He leadeth me in the paths
of righteousness for His name' sake.

Yeah, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me
in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil;
My cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

[B]

The following post is posted in jest, because - well -"Many a true word hath been spoken in jest.."*
and, in fact, 'tis oft' the only condition under which it can be done!


Young "Mountain Man" Hay Seuss, having been brought to the Scottish countryside from the
year 27 AD by way of the Beatles time machine, called "the tin machine" by its paunchous pilot,
David Bowie,

time machine
(tin machine)


to accomodations that would be familiar to him, in order to confer with the retiring James Paul McCartney,
his long-distant reincarnation, to learn the ropes of the music business, and become JPM's replacement,
finds their secret meeting is suddenly interrupted by the arrival of a 20th century paparazzi demon
on the property .
For the sake of exposing young Hay Seuss to modern life, JP 'Morgan' McCartney instructs
the young saviour to go out and meet with the devil. Here are some photos of that encounter:





A young Hay Seuss ponders what manner of demons these modern mortals be, while oft in
the distance the 'tin machine' hovers over head, at the ready
in case young Hay Seuss has to be abruptly withdrawn from this moment in time and space:



Subsequently informed by JP McCartney that the police might come to investigate the encounter,
in the company of the demon, "Mountain man" is quickly given the appearance of a more
approachable "family man", and instructed to put on a veneer of cordiality. Here is the resultant photo:



As was his custom, Hay Seuss started his new musical career with a baptism in the river Jordan,
shown on the White Album poster. Here he is seen emerging from that esteemed body of water,
having been baptised by John "the baptist" Lennon.


McCartneyII emerges from the waters



Having never played an instrument (as we know them), much less experienced television,
automobiles or even electricity for that matter, a period of time of 3 and a half years was allowed
for young Hay Seuss to accomodate himself, and learn to play for the Let It Be sessions, during which
time Jerusalem and the world was trodden under
foot of the gentiles: THE EVIL BEATLES,



who had sold themselves out to Iamaphoney McCartney,
Hay Seuss'es long distant future cousin.

So did those feet in modern time,
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the Holy 'lamb of god'
On Scotland's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the countenance divine,
Shine forth upon its clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear; O clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!



I will not cease from mental flights of fancy;
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Til we have built Jerusalem
In NIR-PWR's green and pleasant land.


*www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/32/messages/1050.html

All Apologies.

[Doc]

letterb1 said:

The following post is posted in jest, because - well -"Many a true word hath been spoken in jest.."*
and, in fact, 'tis oft' the only condition under which it can be done!


Young "Mountain Man" Hay Seuss, having been brought to the Scottish countryside from the
year 27 AD by way of the Beatles time machine, called "the tin machine" by its paunchous pilot,
David Bowie,

time machine
(tin machine)


to accomodations that would be familiar to him, in order to confer with the retiring James Paul McCartney,
his long-distant reincarnation, to learn the ropes of the music business, and become J THE EVIL BEATLES,



who had sold themselves out to Iamaphoney McCartney,
Hay Seuss'es long distant future cousin.

So did those feet in modern time,
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the Holy 'lamb of god'
On Scotland's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the countenance divine,
Shine forth upon its clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear; O clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!



I will not cease from mental flights of fancy;
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Til we have built Jerusalem
In NIR-PWR's green and pleasant land.


*www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/32/messages/1050.html

All Apologies.

{sound of Doc recovering from gentle amusement etc.}

It's a most interesting metaphor you make. Ha-he.........ah..ho! Ok, I buy it, it works on
the levels that you attach it to, ok, yes, yes it does. Where did you find out of the "Green and Pleasant Land" poem? It makes church people in the US nervous, or else they don't know about it.

They say, "Don't be stupid, Christ was a Jew. He never left his little country of Israel, ever! The bible says it and I believe it. DOn't start no false doctrines, boy. 'll take ya' to hell!"

And all that about Mother Mary, and Mary Magdalene and Uncle Joseph D'Arimethea etc.

Who knows.

But, about your setting of the facts-de-jest------well, if Iyr-hu-sha-laym is the "City of Peace" in one translation's view, meaning that NIR/PWR is to be the "location, site, out-post, village, township" for "the common prosperity/peace/well-being/general good" then by all means.

[Doc]

letterb1 said:

Whoever did this video does a pretty good '101' on Lucifer. I have posted it here because
it 'cuts to the chase' pretty well, and may shed some light on another Beatle clue which I'll discuss.

The Secret Of Lucifer
Revealing the true identity of Lucifer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE0vUL8mQc

At 03:39, we're told that the Lucifer of Isaiah 14 is king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.
While many here are Bible scholars, and will know this, many of you are not, so I'll tell you
this about Nebuchadnezzar. For 7 years of his reign he lost his mind, and was out in the fields,
eating grass like a cow, while his associates ran the kingdom. This was, according to the Bible,
a punishment from God for not acknowledging God as the real God.
In any case, it occurs to me that the final verse of "Mother Nature's Son" may, in fact,
be a tongue-in-cheek reference to Faul having been
Nebuchadnezzar in a previous life.
(He "used to be bad", as he tells you in his song of that name.)

"Find me in my field of grass
Mother Nature's Son
swaying daisies sing
a lazy song beneath the sun
tu tu, yeah yeah yeah

Ooo
Ooo
Ah, Mother Nature's Son"

As is pointed out in the tutorial, Lucifer, otherwise, is Venus aka 'Lucy'.
So "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is Venus in the sky with stars.
(And you thought it was about LSD! )
And, for what it's worth, Venus is the Love goddess.
And for what it's worth (and I assure you it's not worth much), LSD could be for "Latter Day Saints"
if you have dyslexia.
But in any case, after "the mother" comes "the son".

After the pink glow of dawn comes the bright sun of day:



literally and figuratively.

I see this as operating on two levels. The story applies to the face value person named as well as someone else of whom it can be logically deduced to represent. What is true in the story for one is true for both.

Also, the earthbound King spoken of may have been "presided" over, or ruled by the supernatural one. If the earthy king had acted in behalf for Lucifer, then his acts and
behaviors would have been de facto Lucifer's, if not literally.

[Doc]

Also, I have heard some teachers assert that the Light Bearer, or really, the Shining Bright One, was representing also the King of Tyre, a kingdom of mechandising and great sea trade, possibly related to the historical "Troy." As Tyre can be pronounced "tirah", similar to "tiroy", and Greek "tiras". In ancient Hebrew the work for "tyre" (tzor) a high, craggy peak.

Some historians regard these people as the precursors, in part, to the later peoples of the British Isles.

If true, the "king" (or governing bodies) of "Tyre" nations are in prophecy people of great wealth and power, also great cruelty and war-like. Who knows. If the tire fits.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre_(Lebanon)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericles%2C_Prince_of_Tyre

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kings_of_Tyre

www.pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20631&Itemid=31

www.ao.net/~fmoeller/isa23.htm

Very unusual:
www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sci/2002-September/051542.html


All this is en-TYRE-ly possible, but hard to know for even the experts.
A difficult topic to study.

[Doc]

Oops-no, Nabuco, (Nebudchanner) was never King of Tyre, nor ever able to take Tyre in
war.:

Nebuchadnezzar II overran Syria and Judea and Egypt, destroying Jerusalem and Solomon's Temple and carrying off the Israelites to Babylon, where they remained as slaves until freed by Cyrus the Great and his conquering Persian armies. For over 70 years Judea and Samaria remained an unpopulated wasteland, across which periodically outlaw bands and Babylonian armies raided more prosperous neighbors. But Nebuchadnezzar II never took Tyre. He laid siege to Tyre for 17 years, during which time he organized fleets to try to cut Tyre off from seaborne supplies and food. Probably he was able to maintain effective blockades only intermittently, but never long enough to starve Tyre into submission, nor was his fleet strong enough to mount a seaborne invasion.

from:

www.biblebelievers.org.au/sephard.htm

[B]

Doc wrote:
"Nebuchadnezzar II overran Syria and Judea and Egypt, destroying Jerusalem and
Solomon's Temple and carrying off the Israelites to Babylon, where they remained as slaves
until freed by Cyrus the Great and his conquering Persian armies."



(Sometimes I just can't stop myself! ;D)

But Siriusly:
"A long, long time ago[/i] (cough, cough)
I can still remember...
How that music used to make me smile!

Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul?"

Well? Can it?

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,"
says the Lord: "I will put my laws into their minds, and I will write them on their hearts, and I will
be their God, and they shall be my people."[/i][/color] (Hebrews 8:10)(Jeremiah 31:33)

And how was this to be done? You tell me.
I find it curious that the '"Green and Pleasant Land" poem', as Doc put it,
is known in England as the song "Jerusalem":

And Did Those Feet In Ancient Times
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAA0A5WpZE4

And how was: "Jerusalem builded here,
Among these dark satanic mills"?

The answer is: The Beatles, The Byrds, The Buffalo Springfield, The Yardbirds, Traffic, Crosby Stills and Nash, Neil Young, Blondie, The Bangles, 'Sunny and Share', Jimi Hendrix, David Bowie, Three Dog Night, The Eagles, The Bee Gees, The Iron Butterfly, Heart, Emerson Lake and Palmer!, Pink Floyd, Journey, Yes, Kansas, Aerosmith, Patty Smith, The Electric Light Orchestra, Madonna[/b], Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Freddie and the Dreamers, The Doors, King Crimson, The Carpenters[/b], Frankie Goes to Hollywood, The Cars, Bread, Love, Guns 'N' Roses, Joni Mitchell, Three Doors Down, Don McClean, Regina Spektor, The Moody Blues, Lou Reed, Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Alice Cooper, The Velvet Underground, Velvet Revolver, Tommy James and the Shondells, Fleetwood Mac, Tori Amos[/color], Billy Joel, Bob Dylan, Blind Faith, The Jefferson Airplane, 5 For Fighting, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, The Rolling Stones, Sheryl Crow, 10 Years After, James Taylor, Norah Jones, Billy Preston, The Who, Simon and Garfunkel, Queen, Elton John, Cream, Eric Clapton, Thunderclap Newman, Led Zeppelin, Prince, Def Leppard, Joan Osborne, Don Mclean, Richard Harris, Sly and the Family Stone, Men at Work, Mike and the Mechanics, Genesis[/b], Herman's Hermits, and Jude Jude Jude Jude Judy Judy Judy in Disguise with John Fred and his Playboy Band. Can you hear me?

Shall I continue, or has the point been made? ('Prince of the power of the air', indeed. Ah, the irony.)

The "New Jerusalem" may have yet to arrive, but you can't say you haven't heard about it.

[B]

Doc wrote:
"I see this as operating on two levels. The story applies to the face value person named
as well as someone else of whom it can be logically deduced to represent. What is true in the story
for one is true for both.
Also, the earthbound King spoken of may have been "presided" over, or ruled by the supernatural one.
If the earthy king had acted in behalf for Lucifer, then his acts and behaviors would have been
de facto Lucifer's, if not literally."

Exactly.
Humanity is collectively the 'Lucifer' who 'fell' and was 'cast down to Earth'. We are, at least, the
'one third of the stars' that followed after 'him'.



'Humpty Dumpty' had a "great fall". We are he. We are the 'egg men' and women.

So it was us who were cast out of the garden, to learn the lessons of good and evil, having
chosen to do so. We chose to have that learning experience. Even if we were
being mis-led, as we still are, quite often. But many of us are beginning to see through the
dog and pony show, and looking to get back to 'the garden'.
There's no place like home; there's no place like home....

And just to be clear: I am not saying we should be suicidal, aspiring to death, and 'pie in
the sky' (flaming or otherwise - of course, the 'flaming pie' in the sky is the SUN),
but rather, we ought to be looking forward to "the restoration of all things" as the apostle Paul
put it. And yes, you are supposed to get that Faul is, in fact, 'humpty dumpty' in his role
as the deceiver. The one and only. B(ull)illy Sh(itter)ears.
Or would that be Ringo? No! The Dezombificator (I think) speculated years ago at TKIN,
that some one may have been impersonating Ringo on "I Get By With a Little Help
From My Friends". Appearing as an angel of light.



"The question is", said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

You see....if the powers that be were going to let the "good guys" have access to, and intervention
on Earth, just before the grand ascension, in the form of The Beatles, they also had to allow
equal time and access for the "bad guys", the 'Pepperpot' band, so to speak.
For every Sheryl Crow allowed to slip into the limelight, a Feryl Crow had to be allowed.
Now are you a good witch, or a bad witch?

[iameye]

After the pink glow of dawn comes the bright sun of day:



they call it "Cosmic Latte"

the colour of "Mr. Universe"



www.pha.jhu.edu/~kgb/cosspec/

[iameye]

and turns a lighter shade of pale

ship wrecked


She said, 'I'm home on shore leave,'
though in truth we were at sea
so I took her by the looking glass
and forced her to agree
saying, 'You must be the mermaid
who took Neptune for a ride.'
But she smiled at me so sadly
that my anger straightway died

If music be the food of love
then laughter is its queen
and likewise if behind is in front
then dirt in truth is clean
My mouth by then like cardboard
seemed to slip straight through my head
So we crash-dived straightway quickly
and attacked the ocean bed

[B]

It is worth mentioning that as the man who took the fall, Faul (get it?) is Adam, the man who
ate the apple. Humanity "fell" with Adam's choice to eat the apple.

So: If we accept that he is the 'son of man' meaning the son of God who was a man (Earthling),
as opposed to any of God's other sons who weren't physical men, if he had any, then Faul was Adam.
So, with that in mind, watch YouKnowMyName231's video on the subject.

Understudy (#13)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dht5Wwtq-Q

If 'The Fireman' is 'the risen son of man', Then Faul is Adam, risen back to life.
But of course, Christ referred to himself as "the son of man" as well, so (presumably) Adam was
Christ who was/is Paul/Faul (both). Or so one might think at first.

He goes from being the fallen pink one to the "understudy" blue one, where his heart is the focal point:



But just to be clear what I think YouKnowMyName231 is actually saying here:

Faul is Adam, who fell; the first physical son of God; hence "the son of man" number one.
Jesus is the second physically born son of God on Earth, and also the first spiritual son of God,
who was born of the human race. ("son of man" #2)
Now repentant, Faul is therefore the understudy of Christ.
(His color changes from pink to blue)
So 'you will see the son of man sitting at the right hand side of the power' means:
Faul (Adam) will be at the right hand of 'the power' when that day comes.
But of course, Christ said that about himself, so if Paul represents Christ, then Faul and Paul
are (now) the 'same person', sitting at the right hand side of 'the Power'.
There's more, but I'll let that suffice for now, imperfect as it is.

[FAUllibLE]

What about demon possesion? Think it possible Letter b?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1U1VtXeepE&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6AMj3ULYvk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXTx1gmV0s

[B]

I think people can be possessed by spirits, some of whom would be considered demons. I'm not
sure where you're putting this in the discussion. For example, would you be saying that Faul
was possessed after he ate the apple in his life as Adam?
Or are you saying that the mere thought that he may have been Adam is due to demonic possession
because "it is appointed once for man to die, and after that comes the judgement" as the
fundamentalists always say?
Bear in mind, Faul could just be playing the role here, and personally not believe he is
Adam or "the risen son of man". I was going with what youknowmyname231 is saying
in his presentation, trying to point out the pattern of the story and imagery.
Of course, we know that "the Fireman" is Faul from the albums put out under that name,
so he probably does it for a reason, and certainly the case could be argued that the devil
would be the "fire" 'man'.
So the answer to your question is, yes, I think that people can be possessed, and do I think that
Faul is possessed by Lucifer as Satan (as opposed to Venus)? No. But that may not always have been the case.
I think he has pretty much suggested he is the one who was 'satan', in some of his songs.

[FAUllibLE]

Yeah its hard to tell what faul thinks he is. I think he thinks he's a goat half the time.www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee4qC2GEJJ8. Remember when he did that baaaaaa crap in Russia, man that was crazy.LoL I could tell you what I think he is. Anywaze, I was just having a bit of fun with it, but I can tell your not amused. So I guess I'll get out of the way and let you get back to serious work.LoL cheerio

[B]

It's not that I was not amused so much as that I didn't realize that you had meant to be amusing.

Well here's a forgotten little gem that Iameye just quoted from in another thread.


Let There Be More Light
Pink Floyd
hear it/see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf5dJnIw5vA

Far, far, far away - way
People heard him say - say
I will find a way - way
There will come a day - day
Something will be done.

Then at last the mighty ship
Descending on a point of flame
Made contact with the human race
at Mildenhall (air force base)

Now, now, now is the time - time
Time to be - be - be aware

Carter's father* saw him there and
Knew the road revealed to him
The living soul of Hereward the Wake*

Oh, my, something in my eye - eye
Something in the sky - sky
Waiting there for me

The outer lock rolled slowly back
The service men were heard to sigh
For there revealed in glowing robes
Was Lucy in the sky[/color]

Oh - oh - did you ever know - know
Never ever will they
I cannot say

Something in his cosmic art
And glowing slightly from his toes
His psychic emanations fly
------------------------------------------------------------------

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereward_the_Wake

* "Hereward the Wake, known in his own times as Hereward the Outlaw
or Hereward the Exile, was an 11th century Anglo Saxon leader in the Kingdom
of England who led resistance to the Norman Conquest, and was consequently labelled an
outlaw. According to legend, Hereward's base was the Isle of Ely, and he roamed
the The Fens that surround what is now Lincolnshire, leading popular opposition to William I
of England. It is said that the title the Wake was popularly assigned to him many years after
his death and is believed to mean the watchful, however, some believe
the name was given to him by the Wake family, the Norman landowners who gained Hereward's
land after his death, in order to imply a family connection and therefore legitimise their claim
to the lands. In the Old English language, 'Hereward' means
"guardian of the herd/in the army",
and is cognate with Old High German 'Heriwart' and modern
German 'Heerwart'.
"Partly because of the sketchiness of evidence for his existence, his life has become a magnet
for speculators and amateur scholars."
"Alternatively, it has also been argued that Leofric, Earl of Mercia and his wife Lady Godiva were Hereward's real parents."
(So the Peter and Gordon song is a PID clue! )
"It is claimed that he was a tenant of Peterborough Abbey" (Abbey Road)
"Hereward was eventually pardoned by William."

the Isle of Ely - Eli's Comin' /Say it: L.I.LY/ On an Island
"the watchful" - I can see the world tonight
"guardian of the herd/in the army" - Shepherd; Sgt. McCartney

* Discoverer of King Tut's tomb was named Carter.

[FAUllibLE]

Oh Yeah, its really hard to tell when people are joking around here sometimes maybe next time I'll throw you a bone so you'll have a heads up. What did you think about the chris crocker reverse. When I saw it I was like wow this kid is even more crazy backwards. Its funny, sad, and scary all at the same time. I put it in here to help you. I have read alot of times were lucifer uses possession via his demons. Just, ya know, trying help us come up out of babylon, cause babylon means confusion i.e. to bable. Its just thats there so much misinformation out there. Its like its made to be confusing. I once read where true wisdom is taking that which is complicated and making it as a child could understand it. Maybe I'll start making some serious posts in here and shed some light on a few things. I guess most people spend their life wandering around in the dark hoping to somehow stumble across the truth. Its a funny thing to watch. Well anywaze let me know if I can help.

[B]

I had posted a response to faullible earlier today, but I deleted it because it would have made
things too confusing once I had opened up the 'can of worms' it contained, and I'm trying to keep
the flow of ideas fairly straight forward in my posts in this thread. (You may laugh, if you wish.)
To answer faullible: Chris Crocker freaks me out forward or backwards. Also: I'm trying to find
the Rotten Apple video that has the "Who needs life?" question in it. Does anyone remember
which one that was?

What's curious about the song "Let There Be More Light" above is that although 'Lucy In the Sky' made
the service men swoon, she turned out to be a 'he'. I think the lyrics suggest the following:

"Oh - oh - did you ever know - know (that she was a he)
Never, ever, will they - (want to admit it)
I cannot say (what they never ever will admit: that she was a he)

Something in his cosmic art
And glowing slightly from his toes
His psychic emanations fly"



Is this "Lucy In the Sky"? Is that what Pink Floyd is suggesting?

Perhaps they're suggesting that a male version of "lucifer", which would mean, the devil, as opposed
to a female version, which would be Venus, the love goddess, is what came out of the landing ship.
They could be trying to suggesting that Ringo is evil. It is Ringo who appears to sing after the
introduction of Billy Shears on the Sgt. Pepper album. It is also Ringo who wears the sergeant's
stripes and uniform. If we say that Faul, on the cover of Pepper, represents Adam, who fell, then
could Ringo possibly represent the "lucifer" or "satan" who persuaded him to fall?
In short, is Ringo supposed to represent the devil just as Faul is supposed to represent Adam?
But there's a "catch 22" here. The Sgt. Pepper album is extremely colorful compared to any of the
Beatle albums that came before it. In fact, the last Beatle album to be released before Pepper in the
USA was "Revolver", which had a black and white cover.
If we make the comparison of the black and white Revolver cover followed by the extremely colorful
Sgt. Pepper album cover to the black and white scenes in the movie "The Wizard of Oz" being
followed by the extremely colorful scenes in the land of Oz, then what is being suggested?
In Oz, the black and white scenes represented day-to-day reality on Earth, while the colorful Oz
was, in fact, the colorful realm of the astral planes.
So, by the same token, one might think that "Revolver" was the last 'Earthly' Beatles record,
while Sgt. Pepper was on a higher level; a more heavenly plane, you might say.
And what happens when a person dies, according to all the people who have had 'near death
experiences' (which, when you think about it, is what Dorothy came close to having had,
having been hit by a flying door, if memory serves)? The answer is that they experience a "life review",
where they see the consequenses of their life on Earth that has, for the moment, ended.
But another thing that a person who is out of their body can sometimes do is remember who
they were in previous lives, so then, do all the people around the Beatles on the Sgt. Pepper album
reflect who they might have been in previous incarnations? Could Paul have been "Honey Pie" Marlene
Dietrick, Edgar Allen Poe, or Aleister Crowley?
I don't think that is quite what is meant, but all those people could be people who, having died,
are now milling about on the Oz-like level of existance that the dead Paul finds himself on.
And who died, on the cover of Sgt. Pepper? Not just Paul, but the "BEATLES", if what's written
on the grave is to be taken at face value. (Which it is not, imo.)
I think that what may have died is the forgetfulness, or rather, amnesia, that we experience
as mortals. We don't know who we are, or who we were, save who we are in our current lives.
But if we were Laurel or Hardy or Carl Jung, we wouldn't know it.
The Sgt. Pepper cover may represent the Beatles having a conscious awareness of not only
who they were, but who they are on a higher level, as well as who they are linked to.
John said that "two were flying; two were not" refering to the Beatles on the cover of Pepper,
and we've assumed it meant that two were on drugs, or that two were dead, but it may mean
that two had a conscious awareness of their links to the higher realms.

Geez, I'd better end this before I start channeling or something! ;D

But to pick up on the thought that I had been working with: If Adam and the devil were at odds
back in the days of the fall, perhaps the devil has changed his tune on the higher levels, and
Adam and the devil are buddies now. Or not. I mean, Pepper was about the devil celebrating
the death of Paul, which is to say, the death of Christ.

OK, this post is a mess, and it doesn't say what I want it to say, but you've muddled through
this far, so the heck with it! I appreciate your having read this, even if it is far from concise, and
doesn't express what it is that I'm trying to say.
Perhaps I'll do better tomorrow.

[LOVELYRITA]

Interesting when religious themes arise in the lyrical contents. Whether intended or implied...I find it interesting when these ideas come around.

Although I think the "mountain man" was not Bill, but another Faul...

And if using a Biblical reference for someone posing as another....well, we could get on a totally different subject there...

but it's interesting the wild man eating grass, acting like an animal as Bill's prior identity...although I still adhere to my thoughts he was a stage performer because of his versatile and flamboyant images over the years.

[tafultong]

letterb1 said:

Also: I'm trying to find
the Rotten Apple video that has the "Who needs life?" question in it. Does anyone remember
which one that was?

Rotten Apple 48 O
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xhkorO_uo

[B]

Thanks tafultong. I don't know how I missed it.

[iameye]

letterb1 said:

Far, far, far away - way
People heard him say - say
I will find a way - way
There will come a day - day
Something will be done.

Then at last the mighty ship
Descending on a point of flame
Made contact with the human race
at Mildenhall (air force base)

Now, now, now is the time - time
Time to be - be - be aware

Carter's father* saw him there and
Knew the road revealed to him
The living soul of Hereward the Wake*

Oh, my, something in my eye - eye
Something in the sky - sky
Waiting there for me

The outer lock rolled slowly back
The service men were heard to sigh
For there revealed in glowing robes
Was Lucy in the sky

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Oh - oh - did you ever know - know
Never ever will they
I cannot say

Something in his cosmic art
And glowing slightly from his toes
His psychic emanations fly
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* Discoverer of King Tut's tomb was named Carter. [/quote]

the other Carter:

www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Tarzan_Chron.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carter_%28character%29

[jarvitronics]

iameye said:

the other Carter:

www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Tarzan_Chron.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carter_%28character%29

Speaking of Edgar Rice Burroughs...



-j

[iameye]

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