lucifer

[B]

Mar 15, 2012 19:12:53 GMT -5 jpmfan said:

Mar 15, 2012 14:34:51 GMT -5 B said:

"In 2012, our perception of time will be different...."

We'll likely be able to go back and forth through 'the time' that existed, even if it does "stop"
on December 21, 2012. And if it continues, so much the better.

Do the two albums at the top of this post represent a passage of time?
Or have they always existed simultaneously?

Paul McCartney - GENYC - " I'm Down " (Ahem!)

Gotta disagree with you "Letter B."

Due to numerous changes in Calendars there is no way to know for certain that this IS the year 2012... At what point do you start numbering?? Based on the Abrahamic version of time??

Additionally what you are relating is the "New Age" version of the "old ways" of the Babylonian mystery schools which is "false light" as is "Lucifer", the current name given to the false "god", the usurper of Humanity's birthright.

It's pretty clear that the fraudulent one worships via Satanism; what is not clear is why that is so important to so many on this forum, unless perhaps you are trying to illustrate that this "mystery religion" is pure BS?

jpmfan,
As I said previously, I am trying to point out things on Beatles albums
that can be understood from "the Goddess" point of view, as that was what they
were referencing. They also used "pagan" concepts, Hindu concepts, Alice in Wonderland concepts,
and God-only-knows-what-else in their lyrics and album covers. (Man you should have seen
them kicking Edgar Allen Poe!)

As I sarcastically noted in my Reply #90, iameye's approach of burying the forum readers
with images and nebulous statements leaves much to be desired, in my opinion.
It may speak to us on a subconscious level, but it doesn't satisfy very well when you're
trying to intellectually understand what a point being made is.

If you are looking at the images, and your only frame of reference is the traditional
Christian view, that God is the father, and Jesus was his son, and Lucifer is the deceptive
devil, then you won't see that the cover of London Town shows Venus with her two sons.
For that reason I took the time to explain what it is you are looking at in "Goddess" terms,
and even referenced a book to assist in your ability to perceive what was being shown.

I understand that for some Christians, this will be seen as the bringing of "another gospel"
which the Apostle Paul said should not be allowed.
However, I am not standing in the Baptist church here, preaching a sermon!
I am trying to enable the readers of this forum to have a way of seeing what is shown
(and heard) on Beatles albums, McCartney albums, etc.

I will readily admit I have "dumbed down" the presentation for an easy understanding,
and to 'make matters worse', I am not graced with 33 degrees of masonic initiation,
nor have I accomplished the four levels of the Knights of Columbus.
(That's right, isn't it? Four levels for them?)

iameye is on my case, saying "Can't you read?", and you, jpmfan, are wondering why
I am so enthused about explaining a 'false light' of Lucifer, so what am I supposed to do?
If Kali or Shiva or other being is on the cover of Sgt Pepper, shall we just ignore it?
I am NOT trying to (your words) "illustrate that this 'mystery religion' is pure BS".
What I am trying to do is enable you to follow one system that was used in Beatle clue placement.

As for 2012, it is the date the Mayan calendar seems to point to, 'though others said it was 2011.
If the Beatles said, "It's getting very near the end" in 1967, is that good enough for you?
"It's the end of the world as we know it" - REM
For better and for worse.

[iameye]

Mar 15, 2012 20:33:33 GMT -5 B said:

Mar 15, 2012 19:12:53 GMT -5 jpmfan said:

Gotta disagree with you "Letter B."

Due to numerous changes in Calendars there is no way to know for certain that this IS the year 2012... At what point do you start numbering?? Based on the Abrahamic version of time??

Additionally what you are relating is the "New Age" version of the "old ways" of the Babylonian mystery schools which is "false light" as is "Lucifer", the current name given to the false "god", the usurper of Humanity's birthright.

It's pretty clear that the fraudulent one worships via Satanism; what is not clear is why that is so important to so many on this forum, unless perhaps you are trying to illustrate that this "mystery religion" is pure BS?

jpmfan,
As I said previously, I am trying to point out things on Beatles albums
that can be understood from "the Goddess" point of view, as that was what they
were referencing. They also used "pagan" concepts, Hindu concepts, Alice in Wonderland concepts,
and God-only-knows-what-else in their lyrics and album covers. (Man you should have seen
them kicking Edgar Allen Poe!)

As I sarcastically noted in my Reply #90, iameye's approach of burying the forum readers
with images and nebulous statements leaves much to be desired, in my opinion.
It may speak to us on a subconscious level, but it doesn't satisfy very well when you're
trying to intellectually understand what a point being made is.

If you are looking at the images, and your only frame of reference is the traditional
Christian view, that God is the father, and Jesus was his son, and Lucifer is the deceptive
devil, then you won't see that the cover of London Town shows Venus with her two sons.
For that reason I took the time to explain what it is you are looking at in "Goddess" terms,
and even referenced a book to assist in your ability to perceive what was being shown.

I understand that for some Christians, this will be seen as the bringing of "another gospel"
which the Apostle Paul said should not be allowed.
However, I am not standing in the Baptist church here, preaching a sermon!
I am trying to enable the readers of this forum to have a way of seeing what is shown
(and heard) on Beatles albums, McCartney albums, etc.

I will readily admit I have "dumbed down" the presentation for an easy understanding,
and to 'make matters worse', I am not graced with 33 degrees of masonic initiation,
nor have I accomplished the four levels of the Knights of Columbus.
(That's right, isn't it? Four levels for them?)

iameye is on my case, saying "Can't you read?", and you, jpmfan, are wondering why
I am so enthused about explaining a 'false light' of Lucifer, so what am I supposed to do?
If Kali or Shiva or other being is on the cover of Sgt Pepper, shall we just ignore it?
I am NOT trying to (your words) "illustrate that this 'mystery religion' is pure BS".
What I am trying to do is enable you to follow one system that was used in Beatle clue placement.

As for 2012, it is the date the Mayan calendar seems to point to, 'though others said it was 2011.
If the Beatles said, "It's getting very near the end" in 1967, is that good enough for you?
"It's the end of the world as we know it" - REM
For better and for worse.

Last time I checked, REM stands for Rapid Eye Movement.

I"ll stick with my methods of communication, B.


"I am so enthused about explaining a 'false light' of Lucifer, so what am I supposed to do?"


what false light? you can't even see the light I shine, so how dare you say you're one to explain it or call it false.?



"As I sarcastically noted in my Reply #90, iameye's approach of burying the forum readers
with images and nebulous statements leaves much to be desired, in my opinion. "

You wouldn't know Venus if she spat in your face.

You should be grateful, but you're not. oh well

[B]

iameye wrote:
"what false light? you can't even see the light I shine, so how dare you
say you're one to explain it or call it false?"

Well iameye, you'll see that I was quoting "false light" from jpmfan's post.

[iameye]

What an ass.


You certainly live your name. You made a pun with LET IT BE
and call yourself LETTER B, all the while missing the point you yourself spelled out.

Classic text book case.




Because it is contained in scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: And he that believeth on him shall not be put to shame.

He who doth not will be called letter b.




Anyway, the light will shine a little longer and then I have to go.

[iameye]

for jpmfan: Lucifer is just being himself - the ego driven part of our consciousness.
Get it? Venus's sons - the good and the evil. They both express themselves through us.






UH , no

for jpmfan: letter b has no clue what he's talking about.

[iameye]

Just for the record, letter b spat in the face of love, everyone.

What a shame to fame!

[iameye]

You have an amusing expression, about the boot being on the other foot, and that is how it is as the Light is now dictating what happens, although the dark Ones never give up trying to exert their control :Dover things. Soon they will be forced to surrender to our demands, and since they now have no means of escape there is really no alternative for them. It means we along with our allies can go pressing ahead with our plans. Each project is underway and that will result in a sudden wealth of information reaching you. Events are such that the facts can no longer be kept hidden, and with that there will be an explosion of people coming forward to tell what they know. It may take longer where the Vatican is concerned, as it is akin to a secret society that has kept its dark secrets hidden well away. However, nothing will remain concealed for too long, as you are entitled to know the truth and the extent to which you have been deceived.


www.treeofthegoldenlight.com/First_Contact/mike_quinsey/channeled%20messages/March%202012/salusa__16march2012.htm

Here's your chance, Benny, to bring to light the promises made.
Abdicate and give the chair to it's rightful owner. Today would be nice.

[iameye]

He built me an ark.

I, in return, build him an even bigger one.



The Fireman cometh.

www.allwords.com/word-cometh.html

[iameye]

The McCartney Eye, unveiled

[seasaltcaramel]

Mar 16, 2012 8:42:07 GMT -5 iameye said:

Mar 15, 2012 20:33:33 GMT -5 B said:

jpmfan,
As I said previously, I am trying to point out things on Beatles albums
that can be understood from "the Goddess" point of view, as that was what they
were referencing. They also used "pagan" concepts, Hindu concepts, Alice in Wonderland concepts,
and God-only-knows-what-else in their lyrics and album covers. (Man you should have seen
them kicking Edgar Allen Poe!)

As I sarcastically noted in my Reply #90, iameye's approach of burying the forum readers
with images and nebulous statements leaves much to be desired, in my opinion.
It may speak to us on a subconscious level, but it doesn't satisfy very well when you're
trying to intellectually understand what a point being made is.

If you are looking at the images, and your only frame of reference is the traditional
Christian view, that God is the father, and Jesus was his son, and Lucifer is the deceptive
devil, then you won't see that the cover of London Town shows Venus with her two sons.
For that reason I took the time to explain what it is you are looking at in "Goddess" terms,
and even referenced a book to assist in your ability to perceive what was being shown.

I understand that for some Christians, this will be seen as the bringing of "another gospel"
which the Apostle Paul said should not be allowed.
However, I am not standing in the Baptist church here, preaching a sermon!
I am trying to enable the readers of this forum to have a way of seeing what is shown
(and heard) on Beatles albums, McCartney albums, etc.

I will readily admit I have "dumbed down" the presentation for an easy understanding,
and to 'make matters worse', I am not graced with 33 degrees of masonic initiation,
nor have I accomplished the four levels of the Knights of Columbus.
(That's right, isn't it? Four levels for them?)

iameye is on my case, saying "Can't you read?", and you, jpmfan, are wondering why
I am so enthused about explaining a 'false light' of Lucifer, so what am I supposed to do?
If Kali or Shiva or other being is on the cover of Sgt Pepper, shall we just ignore it?
I am NOT trying to (your words) "illustrate that this 'mystery religion' is pure BS".
What I am trying to do is enable you to follow one system that was used in Beatle clue placement.

As for 2012, it is the date the Mayan calendar seems to point to, 'though others said it was 2011.
If the Beatles said, "It's getting very near the end" in 1967, is that good enough for you?
"It's the end of the world as we know it" - REM
For better and for worse.

Last time I checked, REM stands for Rapid Eye Movement.

I"ll stick with my methods of communication, B.


"I am so enthused about explaining a 'false light' of Lucifer, so what am I supposed to do?"


what false light? you can't even see the light I shine, so how dare you say you're one to explain it or call it false.?



"As I sarcastically noted in my Reply #90, iameye's approach of burying the forum readers
with images and nebulous statements leaves much to be desired, in my opinion. "

You wouldn't know Venus if she spat in your face.

You should be grateful, but you're not. oh well

you can be nebulous...

as sun ra said "its after the end of the world, don't you know that yet". Satan is boring, agreed.

if you find earth boring just the same old same thing come on sign up with outer spaceways incorporated.

[linus]

At the risk of saying I’ve figured out the entire Beatles enigma, sometimes I wonder if the PID school of thought is their(tptb) way of telling us that the Holy Word intended for our reading has been replaced and tampered with, by a lesser or lower deity and his/her followers, or just by a group of people that chose to for other reasons. And that the two distinct Beatle eras reflect the two biblical testaments.
I personally don’t seem to see any evidence that any photos of one guy were doctored to look like another, (they all looked too similar to bother with that). But it is interesting that that is the PID mantra. They may be wrong about the PID paradigm, but are they onto something on a much deeper level, without even realizing it?

What is the real spiritual truth to “it all”? People can tell us all they want, but when it comes down to it, all we really have to go on is our “gut feeling”. The problem is, we all have different “gut feelings”. Maybe that’s not a bad thing, some say. Some say it’s only natural that we all believe something different. Fair enough, but my gut feeling is that there is really only one actual truth to “it all”, not several, but I could be wrong. I don’t claim to know what that truth is, but I find it odd that nobody can completely agree on anything. We don’t even all see the photos of the Beatles the same, and it is very frustrating to everyone involved. Maybe that is also something they are getting at. Maybe there are a myriad of spiritual truths, that are all equally true. Multiple Beatles? Maybe our multiple beliefs are a modern day "new-age" spiritual Babylon. (And what of all the allusions to Egyptian mythology in the Beatles' work and all of pop culture?)

And now we turn the floor over to IamEye.... (here come the eye rolls)

[ericnapster]

Linus wrote:
At the risk of saying I’ve figured out the entire Beatles enigma
Hey! I heard that! LOL

But seriously Linus, that was a great post. It helped me to clarify this in my own mind.
I found the statement "Maybe our multiple beliefs are a modern day "new-age" spiritual Babylon." to be most profound. It caused me to reflect on, and served to confirm my own deep spiritual conviction. Actually, I should've already known this.

[iameye]

Oct 10, 2012 6:05:32 GMT -5 iameye said:

apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121010.html




Nauset Light Star Trails
Image Credit & Copyright: Chris Cook
Explanation: In myth, Atlas holds up the heavens, but in this scene they seem to pivot around a lighthouse beacon. Photographed with a camera fixed to a tripod, the well-planned 30 minute exposure records star trails in the northern sky, reflecting the daily rotation of planet Earth. Hidden behind the top of the prominent Nauset Lighthouse on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA, the North Celestial Pole is at the center of all the star trail arcs. Making a complete circle, 360 degrees, in 24 hours, the star trail arcs cover 15 degrees each hour or 7.5 degrees in thirty minutes. Foreground lighting is courtesy of September 23rd's first quarter moonlight.

Ancient Greek Ἄτλας, meaning "The Bearer (of the Heavens)", from τλῆναι (tlēnai, “to thole, suffer, endure, bear”). See tolerate.


Luc/ifer

from lux (gen. lucis) "light" (see light (n.)) + ferre "carry" (see infer)

uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080516131213AA3jgYp

[iameye]

Oct 10, 2012 18:50:57 GMT -5 jessbottles said:

awesome! linus ericnapster

"...reflect on, and served to confirm my own deep spiritual conviction"

good stuff! I too have a deep spiritual conviction, thank goodness. yet, i am drawn to the mysterious, the myths, the connections, the facts, the synchronicity, the puzzle, the question...

oh i also see that iameye has also posted much about the "twins" in previous posts. i'm just trying to sort out a couple of thoughts. There is much to find and review that's already been discussed.

I don't know what else to say on this at the moment.

oh i also see that iameye has also posted much about the "twins" in previous posts.



say my other name!

Lucy!

;D

[iameye]

Oct 10, 2012 15:39:35 GMT -5 linus said:

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my gut feeling is that there is really only one actual truth to “it all”, not several, but I could be wrong. I don’t claim to know what that truth is, but I find it odd that nobody can completely agree on anything. We don’t even all see the photos of the Beatles the same, and it is very frustrating to everyone involved. Maybe that is also something they are getting at. Maybe there are a myriad of spiritual truths, that are all equally true. Multiple Beatles? Maybe our multiple beliefs are a modern day "new-age" spiritual Babylon. (And what of all the allusions to Egyptian mythology in the Beatles' work and all of pop culture?)

And now we turn the floor over to IamEye.... (here come the eye rolls)

As Well you should.

Re ask the good questions and find my answers.

only one actual truth to “it all”?


Yes. There is.

[iameye]

the facts, the synchronicity, the puzzle, the question, the prize



It's TIME!




lol

[iameye]

author=jessbottles board=Clues thread=4088 post=98553 time=1349899790]blump

been looking at this a little more closely. Was going to ask if there was a thread about "Lucifer/lucifer" here somewhere, and whether alot of these things had already been discussed. Well, here is a thread. I guess i wanted to see if there was a difference between "a lucifer" and "THE Lucifer" and i found a bit on that. Also found in this thread some thoughts posted by "B" about The Twins which may be useful. I was thinking in terms of a typification of JACOB and ESAU and how that might relate to JESUS and LUCIFER. That brought me also to searching as to whether iameye has been suggesting (or directly stating) that Lucifer IS Jesus. And of course that leads to asking if iameye is also suggesting (or directly stating) that PAUL is LUCIFER is JESUS. Anyway, what say ya'll?

just a link: sanctusvesania.hubpages.com/hub/Jesus-Christ-IS-the-TRUE-Lucifer
In Latin Lucifer means “Light Bringer” and is the name of the Morning Star. The word Lucifer appears only once in the Bible and only in the KJV. Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”But did the word Lucifer always exist? NO! In the Hebrew language, the word Lucifer is derived from the Hebrew word הילל (Hêlēl). In fact, the term Lucifer didn’t even exist in the Biblical ages! Put thought to it; Lucifer is a Latin word. (Lux = light/fire Ferre = to bear/to bring). The Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew, so the word Lucifer could not have been in their language. So, then if the word were not amongst them at that time, then who gave us that word?

In 382 AD, Pope Damasus I commissioned St. Jerome to write a revision of the old Latin translation of the Bible. This task was completed sometime during the 5th century AD, and eventually it was considered the official and definite Latin version of the Bible according to the Roman Catholic church. By the 13th century it was considered the versio vulgate – the common translation.

It was St. Jerome who placed the word Lucifer into the Bible, and not just once, but three times! Isaiah 14:12, Job 11:17, and 2 Peter 1:19.

So, what if, in your wildest dreams you spoke to Lucy and "he" to you?

Picture yourself.




Your little sky pilot...in disguise

[beatlas231]

Oct 10, 2012 18:48:53 GMT -5 iameye said:

Oct 10, 2012 6:05:32 GMT -5 iameye said:

apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121010.html




Nauset Light Star Trails
Image Credit & Copyright: Chris Cook
Explanation: In myth, Atlas holds up the heavens, but in this scene they seem to pivot around a lighthouse beacon. Photographed with a camera fixed to a tripod, the well-planned 30 minute exposure records star trails in the northern sky, reflecting the daily rotation of planet Earth. Hidden behind the top of the prominent Nauset Lighthouse on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA, the North Celestial Pole is at the center of all the star trail arcs. Making a complete circle, 360 degrees, in 24 hours, the star trail arcs cover 15 degrees each hour or 7.5 degrees in thirty minutes. Foreground lighting is courtesy of September 23rd's first quarter moonlight.

Ancient Greek Ἄτλας, meaning "The Bearer (of the Heavens)", from τλῆναι (tlēnai, “to thole, suffer, endure, bear”). See tolerate.


Luc/ifer

from lux (gen. lucis) "light" (see light (n.)) + ferre "carry" (see infer)

uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080516131213AA3jgYp

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[iameye]

You will know the face of the brotherhood if the light skinned race comes ...

www.theturtlelodge.org/

The World Turtle (also referred to as the Cosmic Turtle, the World-bearing Turtle, or the Divine Turtle) is a mytheme of a giant turtle (or tortoise) supporting or containing the world. The mytheme, which is similar to that of the World Elephant and World Serpent, occurs in Hindu, Chinese, and Native American mythology.

Because he taught us.

[privyprincess]

So....is Lucifer a "he" or a "she"?

Oh, wait. Maybe he's androgynous. Both? Neither? I don't know.

And isn't the twin theory about Jesus and John the Baptist being twins or something like that?

I'm leaning toward the notion that the Beatles were Gnostics and were not at all "working class" fellows. I find it hard to believe that average "joes" would have been "put on" to such esoteric symbolism. This leads me to believe they may have been "love" children of certain royal families.

It's been widely speculated that Royal families enjoy conceiving outside children and keeping them a secret. They don't just merely have them and leave them to starve, though. No, not at all. They make their illegitimate children become well known/famous in some right. I mean, Francis Bacon, oops I mean Shakespeare was supposedly a Tudor. Because at the end of the day, you don't need a Throne or a title to be a "man of renown", just the blood.

[iameye]

Oct 11, 2012 22:03:25 GMT -5 privyprincess said:

So....is Lucifer a "he" or a "she"?

Oh, wait. Maybe he's androgynous. Both? Neither? I don't know.

And isn't the twin theory about Jesus and John the Baptist being twins or something like that?

I'm leaning toward the notion that the Beatles were Gnostics and were not at all "working class" fellows. I find it hard to believe that average "joes" would have been "put on" to such esoteric symbolism. This leads me to believe they may have been "love" children of certain royal families.

It's been widely speculated that Royal families enjoy conceiving outside children and keeping them a secret. They don't just merely have them and leave them to starve, though. No, not at all. They make their illegitimate children become well known/famous in some right. I mean, Francis Bacon, oops I mean Shakespeare was supposedly a Tudor. Because at the end of the day, you don't need a Throne or a title to be a "man of renown", just the blood.

[mystick]

May 16, 2011 20:07:57 GMT -5 iameye said:

PSA:




Ain't no Sunshine when she's gone.

Mar 5, 2012 10:58:44 GMT -5 iameye said:

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.



Why has everyone forgotten my name? Don't you know me by now?



I guess I'll just walk out naked to the front of the line.

wanna come with?

60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=lucy




See Your Sunshine
(Paul McCartney)

She makes me feel glad, I want her so bad
My heart is beating madly for her
If you ask me why, I'm not gonna lie
I'll have to say I adore her

Ooh, look what you do to me baby
You're making me feel so fine (so fine so fine)
Step out in front of me baby
They want you in the front line (so fine so fine)
They wanna see your sunshine, oh ya ya

blavatskytheosophy.com/lucifer-the-lightbringer/
“Lucifer” literally means Lightbringer, Lightbearer, Bringer of Dawn, Shining One, or Morning Star.

Mar 13, 2012 17:30:10 GMT -5 iameye said:

You see, the King and Lucille are ALWAYS together

[mystick]

Mar 5, 2012 10:37:46 GMT -5 iameye said:

Let's play connect the dot, shall we?

Mar 13, 2012 19:48:59 GMT -5 iameye said:

Ring of Star Key

Mar 15, 2012 5:39:23 GMT -5 iameye said:

[cypher]

                                       FIAT LUX

invanddis.proboards.com/post/131236

Although English Bibles continue the practice of capitalizing the word “satan” in passages like Job 1 and 2, those passage do not have a specific individual in mind — that is, “satan” in these passages should *not* be understood as a proper personal name.


The reason for this is straightforward. In biblical Hebrew, the definite article (the word “the) is a single letter (heh). Hebrew prefixes (attaches) the definite article to a noun (or participle to make it a substantive) so that, like all languages that have definite articles, the noun is made specific. Biblical Hebrew does not, however, put the definite article (the word “the”) on proper personal nouns (personal names). In this respect, Hebrew is like English. I don’t call myself “the Mike”. No one puts the word “the” in front of their first name. Hebrew simply does not do this at all. As the well known biblical Hebrew reference grammar by Jouon-Muraoka notes: “No proper noun of person takes the article, not even when it has the form of an adjective or a participle.”



Without exception, the word “satan” in Job occurs *with* the article. This indicates quite clearly that “satan” is *not* a personal name. It is generic, and means “the adversary”. The word can be used of human beings (1 Sam 29:4; 2 Sam 19:23; 1 Kings 5:4; 1 Kings 11:14). All of these examples have “satan” without the article, but the referent is a human being, not a divine being, so we don’t have “Satan” here either.



In terms of statistics, the noun “satan” occurs 27 times in the Hebrew Bible, ten times *without* the article.


Of these ten, seven refer to human beings and two refer to the Angel of Yahweh for sure. The lone outlier is 1 Chron 21:1. This is the famous passage where “Satan” provokes David to take a census, but in the parallel passage, 2 Sam 24:1-25, it’s Yahweh provoking David to take the census. Due to this parallel, and due to the fact that “satan” here has no article, this is viewed by some as the single instance of an evil, cosmic figure called “satan” in the OT. It actually isn’t, though. If you’re familiar with my work on the two Yahwehs in the OT, the parallel (Yahweh-satan) is striking to you. The “satan” figure here is none other than the Angel of Yahweh — and so this instance without the article is akin to the two instances in the book of Numbers where “satan” was used of the Angel. This relieves the “is Yahweh Satan?” question and any notion of contradiction — since it would mean BOTH passages have Yahweh provoking David — one appears to be the invisible Yahweh; the other is the visible Yahweh.


It is in THIS passage that, after verse 1 mentions the “satan” provoking David, we read the Angel is there “with a sword drawn in his hand”. The Hebrew phrasing behind this occurs only three other times: Joshua 5:13 and Numbers 22:23, 31. ALL of these references are the Angel of Yahweh. and in one of them (Num. 22) he is the satan.



This would mean there are ZERO verses in the OT that have a personal name “satan”, and ZERO references to Satan as a cosmic evil entity as in the NT.


Basically, “the satan” in Job is an officer of the divine council (sort of like a prosecutor). His job is to “run to and fro throughout the earth” to see who is and who is not obeying Yahweh. When he finds someone who isn’t and is therefore under Yahweh’s wrath, he “accuses” that person. This is what we see in Job — and it actually has a distinct New Testament flavor. (We also see it in Zechariah 3). But the point here is that this satan is not evil; he’s doing his job.

drmsh.com/the-absence-of-satan-in-the-old-testament/

In Isa 14:12 we read about one ḥêlel ben shaḥar (“shining one, son of the dawn”). The phrase “son of the dawn” refers to the (astronomical) “morning star” – the small light first visible above the horizon when the new day dawns. This was, in ancient terms, a way to refer to Venus, as it was that first light in terms of real naked eye astronomy. The ancients knew Venus was a planet, but often referred to it as the largest star (see Pliny, Hist. nat. 2.37). Venus appears just before the sun, heralding a new day — thus it was termed “morning star.”



At issue first is the terminology and character in Isaiah 14. In the phrase ḥêlel ben shaḥar, ḥêlel (“shining one”) is rendered as ἐωσφόρος (“morning star”), derivative of Φωσφόρος (the word used for Venus). In Latin, this word is translated “Lucifer.” The ḥêlel figure in Isaiah is some sort of tyrant, described in terms of some tale about a divine being who wanted to be like the Most High, snubbing his authority.

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In modern discourse, the ‘holy city' of Jerusalem is understood as a precious commodity, ‘owned' by the major monotheistic traditions. These understandings are derived from the religious texts of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. For many years, however, those same texts have also been the focus of academic study. How did they come into being? Who ‘wrote' them or recorded their oral narratives, and why? How were they edited, and for what purpose? And finally, what are their relationships to ‘history' as it can be uncovered in archeology and texts that were not canonized? These studies suggest that the history of ‘Jerusalem' as a concept appears to have roots much older than the known physical history of the city. In the ancient world as today, ideas passed from culture to culture, being shaped by their transmitter/s. ‘Jerusalem', too–as a word, a phrase, a concept–seems to have been part of the broad milieu of traditions, among them the worship of the sun, moon and stars, that shaped the ancient Near East and Arabia. This essay will review those traditions and the connections between them through a variety of sources, including the canonized texts of the monotheistic religions.



Volumes of academic writings have accumulated describing how the Hebrew Bible references the past, rewriting traditions evidenced in earlier written works and circulating in antiquity. A body of work exists describing how the various redactors of the Bible drew on what their readers knew about a host of deities to establish the primacy of one god. Scholars continue to dig beneath this textual polemic, looking at word forms, borrowed names and echoes of earlier traditions to try to gain better understanding of what came before the Bible.



An example of how this textual “un-reading” is carried out can be demonstrated through the text of Joshua 10:10-16. Here the Lord (Hebrew: ‘Yahweh') assists Joshua in routing the Amorites. But in the course of battle, Joshua does something peculiar for a mortal. “Stand still, O sun, at Gibeon, O moon, in the Valley of Aijalon!” he demands.



And the sun [Hebrew: ‘shams'] stood still and the moon halted. While a nation wreaked judgment on its foes – as is written in the book of Jashar. Thus the sun halted in mid-heaven, and did not press on to set for a whole day; Neither before nor since has there ever been such a day when the Lord acted on words spoken by a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.1 It is clear that a special connection exists between Joshua and the sun. Joshua retires in Timnath-serah, according to the text; the latter part of this place name is another word for ‘sun' used by redactor/s to avoid using the Hebrew ‘heras', which seems to have been related to traditions of astral worship that the redactor wanted to edit out.2 (One can see ‘heras' used in Judges 14:18, in a segment related to Samson – i.e., Hebrew: ‘shamson', related to ‘shams' or ‘sun'.)



Read again, the passage cited above suggests at first that Joshua is more powerful than the forces of the sun or moon. Was he a deity in an astral cosmology that also existed before or at the time of worship of Yahweh? Quickly, a voice loyal to Yahweh steps in to tell us (rather untruthfully, if one looks at other accounts in the Bible) that this encounter was the only time in history that God/Yahweh acted on the commandments of a human. In other words, while an ancient audience might have known of a tradition surrounding Joshua and the sun, here that reference is put to work in a powerful narrative defending new traditions about Yahweh.



In the spirit of this type of literary examination, this essay will briefly review literature indicating that Jerusalem was a center for astral worship in the ancient world. Here, we cannot speak of a physical city of Jerusalem, in the location it exists today. Instead, we are speaking of the word ‘Jerusalem' and its synonyms as they appear in ancient texts.



One such ancient textual resource was the Ugaritic library found in Ras Shamra, Syria, believed to date to approximately 1200 BCE. These tablets detail the ‘Baal cycle', or the belief system dominated by the god Baal that was prevalent at that time in the northern Levant. John Gray, in his 1949 discussion of the Ras Shamra text, “The Birth of the Gracious and Beautiful Gods,” posited that the personal names of the Solomon and his brother Absalom, as well as the name of Jerusalem, signaled that the biblical David and his city were at one time dedicated to the worship of the Ugaritic god Shalem.3 The text in question, KTU 1:23, describes how twins Shahar and Shalem were born from El and ‘Athtarte; Gray provides evidence that the brothers were paired expressions of the Venus star, the deity ‘Athtar. Since then, Gray's ideas have been cited in numerous works,4 but with little further elaboration.



The Ugaritic cosmology was complex and in flux. Heiser refers to competition between the deities Baal and ‘Athtar which results in ‘Athtar's subsequent loss of his throne and descent to rule the earth. He argues that this sequence of events was not a loss of status for ‘Athtar, but rather an affirmation of the strength of Baal.5 It is plausible, then, that a subsequent tradition developed about ‘Athtar's reign on earth, expressed through the hypostasis Shalem (or ?LM without vowels).6 Jerusalem was clearly linked to the tradition; perhaps Shalem's temple was located in the settlement. Genesis 14:18, Hebrew 7:1 and 8 describe ‘Salem' as the place where Melchizedek ruled; later Jewish texts written by Josephus and the Targum alternatively refer to this place as Jerusalem.7 Other local place names like Jericho (named after the moon god Yriach) and Beit-Yriach also reflect an astral cosmology.



Heiser goes on to attempt to link problematic sections of the biblical text to Ugaritic source material.8 He argues that Isaiah 14:12-15 (“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!...”) appears to tie Absalom to the rise and descent of ‘Athtar. Significantly, Absalom is the brother of Solomon, the builder of the temple in Jerusalem that becomes so important to the Israelites. It is surely not a coincidence that the names ‘Absalom' and ‘Jerusalem' share the same consonants in Hebrew, nor that ‘Solomon' in Hebrew has near-identical pronunciation but for the first consonant. Such references hold meaning, despite the long periods of time that separate the various written texts.



Historians have generally agreed that the Deuteronomist history that relates the earliest account of Solomon was compiled no earlier than the late seventh century BCE and possibly even after the attested temple destruction and subsequent exile in 587/586.9



But fragments of a tradition can persist for thousands of years. Knauf uses the Masoretic text10 to propose that the Qedarites mentioned in the Song of Songs were Nabateans, a community crucial to the spice trade route from South Arabia in the third century BCE. “Black I am, but beautiful, ye daughters of Jerusalem / As tents of Qedar, as tentcloth of Salam black” reads the Song.11 The tribe of Salam was located just south of the Nabateans, in Madain Salih. In the course of his presentation, Knauf mentions that the Masoretic text records this line as “tentcloths of Solomon.” He prefers the reading of ‘Salam', which requires no change in consonants, but the Masoretic tradition shows the possibility of linking Solomon (?LMH in unvoweled Hebrew) with the worship of SLM in northeastern Arabia.



North Arabians worshipped (among other deities) the god SLM, whose name is related to the word for ‘image' in South Arabic and Hebrew. (Again, ancient texts often appear without vowels, hence the names' appearance here as groups of consonants.) Dalley discusses two stelae found in Teima, one which refers by name to the installation of the god SLM with the approval of SLM of MHRM, and the other a stone pedestal retrieved from Teima and inscribed with an Aramaic text recording an offering to “SLM of RB.”12 Her rendering of the unvoweled SLM as ‘Salmu' is generated vis-à-vis the Akkadian god Salmu mentioned in list AN=Anum, from mid-to late second millennium tablets, who was synonymous with the sun god Shamash. The same god name is found in a mid-Babylonian text from the Hittite capital Hatusas, and Dalley also refers to the Midianite king Salmunnu in the book of Judges. Her conclusion is that the god Salmu enters Mesopotamia in the first half of the second millennium, presumably as a Semitic but foreign deity.13 A god called Salmu-sarri is introduced as a legal witness on three late Assyrian legal documents (two from Tel Khalaf, which was biblical Gozan, and one from Nimrod, where he appears next to Shamash).14 Finally, SLM occurs in a Latin inscription from Dumat al-Jandal (‘sulmus') which further suggests that his worship was not limited to Teima.15



Therefore, Salmu in North Arabia was believed to be the deity of the sun, and it is likely that ?LM in Jerusalem was also a sun god. We know that a historical connection existed between Solomon and ?LM through the Mesoratic text, which simultaneously refers to the north Arabian tribe of Salem where Salmu was worshipped.



One of the most obvious issues raised here in relating the Mesopotamian Salmu, Ugaritic god ?LM, the biblical ?LMH and finally North Arabian SLM is the orthographic problem posed by the transformation of originally South Arabian sibilants. South Arabian script in antiquity had three sibilants, while Ugaritic and Hebrew have only two. In addition, it appears that many of the earlier South Arabian texts available show signs of a language in transition; as a result there are a number of anomalies in correspondence.16 It is quite plausible, considering this transition phase and confusion about foreign spellings, that “S” (like Solomon) or “?” (like Shaher) could have traveled from South Arabia, and become a North Semitic “?”, and at the same time be rendered in North Arabia as “S” (as in SLM) or even “S” (as in the tribe Salem).17 It is clear, however, that the most orthographically sound progression begins in South Arabia and from there extends into the Levant, and into North Arabia. One indication that the tradition could have passed from the Levant into North Arabia is the record stored in the Masoretic text where “S” is read as “?”, and confusion is expressed between Salem and Solomon.



These relationships continue to echo today. In South Arabia, today's Yemen, the sun deity was associated with oversight and protection and the moon deity with wisdom. Modern Arabic maintains this relationship in the word “Salaam,” which means “safety” and thus “peace.” The Quran says of Laylat al-Qadr [The Night of Power], when the new moon is sighted marking the end of Ramadan, “It is salvation [salaam] until the coming of the dawn.”



If the final Solomon compilation in the Hebrew Bible does reflect an earlier tradition, its editor (editors?) has greatly altered and embellished it to suit his purposes. As such the above description can only be used to establish that a cluster of elements of the Baal cycle are present in the Solomon narrative (which relates in turn to Jerusalem), as compared with other areas of the Deuteronomistic compilation.



For bible scholars, Gray's argument that ancient Levantine kings worshipped the local god Shalem enriches rather than challenges ongoing literary scholarship on competition between Yahweh and the deity El within the biblical narrative. For historians, however, the position is more intriguing. The questions that it raises–at what point did any historical Solomon abandon his namesake, and construct the Temple of Yahweh, and why did the city of Jerusalem divorce its patron deity?–have not been explored. Likely those answers remain tied to the yet unresolved question of Solomon's historicity.

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Aṯtar (Arabic: عثتر; Musnad: 𐩲𐩻𐩩𐩧) is an ancient Semitic deity whose role, name, and even gender varied by cultures of West Asia. Depicted as either male or female, the deity was identified with the planet Venus. In pre-Islamic South Arabia, it was worshipped as a god of war.


The name appears as Attar (Aramaic), Athtar (South Arabia), Astar (Aksum), Ashtar (Moab), Aṯtar (Ugarit)[1] and Ištar in Akkadian. In both genders, Aṯtar is identified with the planet Venus, the morning and evening star, in some manifestations of Semitic mythology. The deity is also connected to the Hellenistic goddess Astarte.[2]



Attar was worshipped in Southern Arabia in pre-Islamic times. A god of war, he was often referred to as "He who is Bold in Battle". One of his symbols was the spear-point and the antelope was his sacred animal. He had power over Venus, the morning star, and was believed to provide humankind with water.



In ancient times, Arabia shared the gods of Mesopotamia, being so close to Babylon, except the genders and symbols of these deities were swapped. For instance, the sun goddess Shams became the sun goddess Shamash, and the god Athtar became the goddess Ishtar in Sumer-Akkad. Athtar was a god of the thunderstorm, dispensing natural irrigation in the form of rain. Athtar also represented fertility and water as essential to fertility. When representing water he stood not just for the act of raining itself, but rather for the useful flow of the water after the rain, in the wadi, the Arabian watercourse which is dry except in the rainy season.[3]


South Arabian fragment of a stela, depicts a reclining ibex and three Arabian oryx heads. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/South_Arabian_-_Fragment_of_a_Frieze_with_an_Ibex_and_Oryxes_-_Walters_2138.jpg/1280px-South_Arabian_-_Fragment_of_a_Frieze_with_an_Ibex_and_Oryxes_-_Walters_2138.jpg

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A stele (/ˈstiːli/ STEE-lee),[Note 1] or occasionally stela (plural stelas or stelæ), when derived from Latin, is a stone or wooden slab, generally taller than it is wide, erected in the ancient world as a monument. The surface of the stele often has text, ornamentation, or both. These may be inscribed, carved in relief, or painted.



Stelae were created for many reasons. Grave stelae were used for funerary or commemorative purposes. Stelae as slabs of stone would also be used as ancient Greek and Roman government notices or as boundary markers to mark borders or property lines. Stelae were occasionally erected as memorials to battles. For example, along with other memorials, there are more than half-a-dozen steles erected on the battlefield of Waterloo at the locations of notable actions by participants in battle.[1]



Traditional Western gravestones may technically be considered the modern equivalent of ancient stelae, though the term is very rarely applied in this way. Equally, stele-like forms in non-Western cultures may be called by other terms, and the words "stele" and "stelae" are most consistently applied in archaeological contexts to objects from Europe, the ancient Near East and Egypt,[2] China, and sometimes Pre-Columbian America.

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Shalim (Šalām, Shalem, Salem, and Salim) is a god in Canaanite religion, mentioned in inscriptions found in Ugarit (Ras Shamra) in Syria.[1][2] William F. Albright identified Shalim as the god of dusk and Shahar as god of the dawn.[3] In the Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, Shalim is also identified as the deity representing Venus or the "Evening Star" and Shahar the "Morning Star".[1] His name derives from the triconsonantal Semitic root Š-L-M. The city of Jerusalem was named after him.[4]

Another inscription is a sentence repeated three times in a para-mythological text, "Let me invoke the gracious gods, the voracious gods of ym." Ym in most Semitic languages means "day," and Shalim and Shahar, twin deities of the dusk and dawn, were conceived of as its beginning and end.[5]



Shalim is also mentioned separately in the Ugaritic god lists and forms of his name also appear in personal names, perhaps as a divine name or epithet.[1]



Many scholars believe that the name of Shalim is preserved in the name of the city Jerusalem.[1][6][7][8] The god Shalim may have been associated with dusk and the evening star in the etymological senses of a "completion" of the day, "sunset" and "peace".[9]

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Shahar is the god of dawn in the pantheon of Ugarit. 

Shahar is described as a child of El along with a twin, Shalim, the god of dusk. As the markers of dawn and dusk, Shahar and Shalim also represented the temporal structure of the day.[1]

The name is a cognate of the Hebrew word Shahar (שָׁ֫חַר‎) meaning dawn. 




In Arabic, the word for dawn is Sahar (سحر) and comes from the same Semitic root. This root is also visible in Suhoor (سحور), the pre-dawn meal Muslims eat during Ramadan.


Isaiah 14:12–15 has been the origin of the belief that Satan was a fallen angel, who could also be referred to as Lucifer.[2] It refers to the rise and disappearance of the morning star Venus in the phrase "O light-bringer, son of the dawn." (Helel ben Shaḥar, translated as Lucifer in the Vulgate and preserved in the early English translations of the Bible.)[2] This understanding of Isaiah 14:12–15 seems to be the most accepted interpretation in the New Testament, as well as among early Christians such as Origen, Eusebius, Tertullian, and Gregory the Great.[2] It may be considered a Christian "remythologization" of Isaiah 14, as the verse originally used Canaanite mythology to build its imagery of the hubris of a historical ruler, "the king of Babylon" in Isaiah 14:4.[2] It is likely that the role of Venus as the morning star was taken by Athtar, in this instance referred to as the son of Shahar.[3] The reference to Shahar remains enigmatic to scholars, who have a wide range of theories on the mythological framework and sources for the passage in Isaiah.[4]

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Phosphorus (Ancient Greek: Φωσφόρος, romanized: Phōsphoros) is one of the Astra Planeta, specifically the god of the planet Venus in its appearance as the Morning Star. Another Greek name for the Morning Star is "Eosphorus" (Ancient Greek: Ἑωσφόρος, romanized: Heōsphoros), which means "dawn-bringer". The term "eosphorus" is sometimes met in English. As an adjective, the word "phosphorus" is applied in the sense of "light-bringing" (for instance, the dawn, the god Dionysus, pine torches and the day) and "torch-bearing" as an epithet of several gods and goddesses, especially of Hecate but also of Artemis/Diana and Hephaestus.[1] Seasonally, Venus is the "light bringer" in the northern hemisphere, appearing most brightly in December (an optical illusion due to shorter days).



While at an early stage the Morning Star (called Phosphorus and other names) and the Evening Star (referred to by names such as Hesperus) were thought of as two celestial objects, the Greeks accepted that the two were the same, but they seem to have continued to treat the two mythological entities as distinct. Halbertal and Margalit interpret this as indicating that they did not identify the star with the god or gods of mythology "embodied" in the star.[8]



In the philosophy of language, "Hesperus is Phosphorus" is a famous sentence in relation to the semantics of proper names. Gottlob Frege used the terms "the evening star" (der Abendstern) and "the morning star" (der Morgenstern) to illustrate his distinction between sense and reference, and subsequent philosophers changed the example to "Hesperus is Phosphorus" so that it utilized proper names. Saul Kripke used the sentence to posit that the knowledge of something necessary — in this case the identity of Hesperus and Phosphorus — could be discoverable rather than known a priori.



The Latin word corresponding to Greek "Phosphorus" is "Lucifer". It is used in its astronomical sense both in prose[9] and poetry.[10] Poets sometimes personify the star, placing it in a mythological context.[11]





Lucifer is one of various figures in folklore associated with the planet Venus. The entity's name was subsequently absorbed into Christianity as a name for the devil. Modern scholarship generally translates the term in the relevant Bible passage (Isaiah 14:12), where the Greek Septuagint reads ὁ ἑωσφόρος ὁ πρωὶ, as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper noun, Lucifer, as found in the Latin Vulgate.[1]



As a name for the Devil in Christian theology, the more common meaning in English, "Lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל, hêlēl, (pronunciation: hay-lale)[1] in Isaiah[2] given in the King James Version of the Bible. The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate,[3] which translated הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized),[4][5] meaning "the morning star", "the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[6]



As a name for the planet in its morning aspect, "Lucifer" (Light-Bringer) is a proper noun and is capitalized in English. In Greco-Roman civilization, it was often personified and considered a god[7] and in some versions considered a son of Aurora (the Dawn).[8] A similar name used by the Roman poet Catullus for the planet in its evening aspect is "Noctifer" (Night-Bringer).[9]


In Roman folklore, Lucifer ("light-bringer" in Latin) was the name of the planet Venus, though it was often personified as a male figure bearing a torch. The Greek name for this planet was variously Phosphoros (also meaning "light-bringer") or Heosphoros (meaning "dawn-bringer").

In the classical Roman period, Lucifer was not typically regarded as a deity and had few, if any, myths,[10] though the planet was associated with various deities and often poetically personified. Cicero pointed out that "You say that Sol the Sun and Luna the Moon are deities, and the Greeks identify the former with Apollo and the latter with Diana. But if Luna (the Moon) is a goddess, then Lucifer (the Morning-Star) also and the rest of the Wandering Stars (Stellae Errantes) will have to be counted gods; and if so, then the Fixed Stars (Stellae Inerrantes) as well."


The Sumerian goddess Inanna (Babylonian Ishtar) is associated with the planet Venus, and Inanna's actions in several of her myths, including Inanna and Shukaletuda and Inanna's Descent into the Underworld appear to parallel the motion of Venus as it progresses through its synodic cycle.[28][29][30][31]



A similar theme is present in the Babylonian myth of Etana. The Jewish Encyclopedia comments:



The brilliancy of the morning star, which eclipses all other stars, but is not seen during the night, may easily have given rise to a myth such as was told of Ethana and Zu: he was led by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star-gods on the northern mountain of the gods [...] but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus.[32]



The fall from heaven motif also has a parallel in Canaanite mythology. In ancient Canaanite religion, the morning star is personified as the god Attar, who attempted to occupy the throne of Ba'al and, finding he was unable to do so, descended and ruled the underworld.[33][34] The original myth may have been about the lesser god Helel trying to dethrone the Canaanite high god El, who lived on a mountain to the north.[35][36] Hermann Gunkel's reconstruction of the myth told of a mighty warrior called Hêlal, whose ambition was to ascend higher than all the other stellar divinities, but who had to descend to the depths; it thus portrayed as a battle the process by which the bright morning star fails to reach the highest point in the sky before being faded out by the rising sun.[37] However, the Eerdmans Commentary on the Bible argues that no evidence has been found of any Canaanite myth or imagery of a god being forcibly thrown from heaven, as in the Book of Isaiah (see below). It argues that the closest parallels with Isaiah's description of the king of Babylon as a fallen morning star cast down from heaven are to be found not in Canaanite myths, but in traditional ideas of the Jewish people, echoed in the Biblical account of the fall of Adam and Eve, cast out of God's presence for wishing to be as God, and the picture in Psalm 82 of the "gods" and "sons of the Most High" destined to die and fall.[38] This Jewish tradition has echoes also in Jewish pseudepigrapha such as 2 Enoch and the Life of Adam and Eve.[32][39] The Life of Adam and Eve, in turn, shaped the idea of Iblis in the Quran.[40]



The Greek myth of Phaethon, a personification of the planet Jupiter,[41] follows a similar pattern.[37]


In the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the king of Babylon is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shachar, Hebrew for "shining one, son of the morning"),[38] who is addressed as הילל בן שחר (Hêlêl ben Šāḥar),[42][43][44][45] The title "Hêlêl ben Šāḥar" refers to the planet Venus as the morning star, and that is how the Hebrew word is usually interpreted.[46][47] The Hebrew word transliterated as Hêlêl[48] or Heylel,[49] occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible.[48] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as Ἑωσφόρος[50][51][52][53][54] (heōsphoros),[55][56] "bringer of dawn", the Ancient Greek name for the morning star.[57] Similarly the Vulgate renders הֵילֵל in Latin as Lucifer, the name in that language for the morning star. According to the King James Bible-based Strong's Concordance, the original Hebrew word means "shining one, light-bearer", and the English translation given in the King James text is the Latin name for the planet Venus, "Lucifer",[49] as it was already in the Wycliffe Bible.



However, the translation of הֵילֵל as "Lucifer" has been abandoned in modern English translations of Isaiah 14:12. Present-day translations render הֵילֵל as "morning star" (New International Version, New Century Version, New American Standard Bible, Good News Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Contemporary English Version, Common English Bible, Complete Jewish Bible), "daystar" (New Jerusalem Bible, The Message), "Day Star" (New Revised Standard Version, English Standard Version), "shining one" (New Life Version, New World Translation, JPS Tanakh), or "shining star" (New Living Translation).



In a modern translation from the original Hebrew, the passage in which the phrase "Lucifer" or "morning star" occurs begins with the statement: "On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labour forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!"[58] After describing the death of the king, the taunt continues:



How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?"[59]



For the unnamed "king of Babylon",[60] a wide range of identifications have been proposed.[61] They include a Babylonian ruler of the prophet Isaiah's own time,[61] the later Nebuchadnezzar II, under whom the Babylonian captivity of the Jews began,[62] or Nabonidus,[61][63] and the Assyrian kings Tiglath-Pileser, Sargon II and Sennacherib.[64][65] Verse 20 says that this king of Babylon will not be "joined with them [all the kings of the nations] in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, thou hast slain thy people; the seed of evil-doers shall not be named for ever", but rather be cast out of the grave, while "All the kings of the nations, all of them, sleep in glory, every one in his own house".[46][66] Herbert Wolf held that the "king of Babylon" was not a specific ruler but a generic representation of the whole line of rulers.[67]



Isaiah 14:12 became a source for the popular conception of the fallen angel motif.[68] Rabbinical Judaism has rejected any belief in rebel or fallen angels.[69] In the 11th century, the Pirkei De-Rabbi Eliezer illustrates the origin of the "fallen angel myth" by giving two accounts, one relates to the angel in the Garden of Eden who seduces Eve, and the other relates to the angels, the benei elohim who cohabit with the daughters of man (Genesis 6:1–4).[70] An association of Isaiah 14:12–18 with a personification of evil, called the devil, developed outside of mainstream Rabbinic Judaism in pseudepigrapha and Christian writings,[71] particularly with the apocalypses.[72]


Aquila of Sinope derives the word hêlêl, the Hebrew name for the morning star, from the verb yalal (to lament). This derivation was adopted as a proper name for an angel who laments the loss of his former beauty.[80] The Christian church fathers – for example Hieronymus, in his Vulgate – translated this as Lucifer. The equation of Lucifer with the fallen angel probably occurred in 1st century Palestinian Judaism. The church fathers brought the fallen lightbringer Lucifer into connection with the Devil on the basis of a saying of Jesus in the Gospel of Luke (10.18 EU): "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning."[81]



Some Christian writers have applied the name "Lucifer" as used in the Book of Isaiah, and the motif of a heavenly being cast down to the earth, to the devil. Sigve K. Tonstad argues that the New Testament War in Heaven theme of Revelation 12, in which the dragon "who is called the devil and Satan [...] was thrown down to the earth", was derived from the passage about the Babylonian king in Isaiah 14.[82] Origen (184/185–253/254) interpreted such Old Testament passages as being about manifestations of the devil.[83][84][85] Origen was not the first to interpret the Isaiah 14 passage as referring to the devil: he was preceded by at least Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 225), who in his Adversus Marcionem (book 5, chapters 11 and 17) twice presents as spoken by the devil the words of Isaiah 14:14: "I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High".[86][87][88] Though Tertullian was a speaker of the language in which the word "lucifer" was created, "Lucifer" is not among the numerous names and phrases he used to describe the devil.[89] Even at the time of the Latin writer Augustine of Hippo (354–430), a contemporary of the composition of the Vulgate, "Lucifer" had not yet become a common name for the devil.[90]



Augustine of Hippo's work Civitas Dei (5th century) became the major opinion of Western demonology including in the Catholic Church. For Augustine, the rebellion of the devil was the first and final cause of evil. By this he rejected some earlier teachings about Satan having fallen when the world was already created.[91] Further, Augustine rejects the idea that envy could have been the first sin (as some early Christians believed, evident from sources like Cave of Treasures in which Satan has fallen because he envies humans and refused to prostrate himself before Adam), since pride ("loving yourself more than others and God") is required to be envious ("hatred for the happiness of others").[92] He argues that evil came first into existence by the free will of Lucifer.[93] Lucifer's attempt to take God's throne is not an assault on the gates of heaven, but a turn to solipsism in which the devil becomes God in his world.[94] When the King of Babel uttered his phrase in Isaiah, he was speaking through the spirit of Lucifer, the head of devils. He concluded that everyone who falls away from God are within the body of Lucifer, and is a devil.[95]



Adherents of the King James Only movement and others who hold that Isaiah 14:12 does indeed refer to the devil have decried the modern translations.[96][97][98][99][100][101] An opposing view attributes to Origen the first identification of the "Lucifer" of Isaiah 14:12 with the devil and to Tertullian and Augustine of Hippo the spread of the story of Lucifer as fallen through pride, envy of God and jealousy of humans.[102]



Protestant theologian John Calvin rejected the identification of Lucifer with Satan or the devil. He said: "The exposition of this passage, which some have given, as if it referred to Satan, has arisen from ignorance: for the context plainly shows these statements must be understood in reference to the king of the Babylonians."[103] Martin Luther also considered it a gross error to refer this verse to the devil.[104]

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In Greco-Roman Classical Mythology, the Astra Planeta (Ancient Greek: Αστρα Πλανητα (Astra Planêta); lit. "Wandering Stars", "Planets" (their Roman name is the Stellae Errantae)) are brothers, and are five of Eos' and Astraeus' children--along with the Anemoi and Astraea--personifying the Classical planets (minus the Sun and the Moon (Eos' siblings), and the Earth (Gaia)); Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are not included, as they are invisible to the naked eye and were thus unknown to the ancient Hellenic peoples. The Astra Planetas names are:

Phainon (Ancient Greek: Φαινων (Phainôn); lit. "Shining" (phainô)); the personification of the planet Saturn. Associated with the god, Kronus/Saturn (Kronion).

Phaethon (Ancient Greek: Φαεθων (Phaethôn); lit. "Blazing", "Shining" (phaethô)); the personification of the planet Jupiter. Associated with the god, Zeus/Jupiter/Jove (Dios). Phaethon also shares a similar name with Phaethon, the son of Helios and a queen of Aethiopia; after his disastrous attempt at driving the solar chariot, Phaethon was struck down by Zeus and placed into the sky as (also) the god of Zeus' planet - Jupiter.

Pyroeis (Ancient Greek: Πυροεις (Pyroeis); lit. "Fiery" (pyroeis, pyra)); the personification of the planet Mars (see also History of Mars observation). He was also called Mesonyx (from middle-night), the Midnight Star. Associated with the gods, Mars/Ares &/or Herakles/Heracles.

Eosphorus/Phosphorus and Hesperus (Ancient Greek: Εωσφορος (Eôsphoros); lit. "Dawn-Bringer") / (Ancient Greek: Ἑσπερος (Hesperos / Hesperus); lit. "Evening"); the personification of the planet Venus (see also Observations and explorations of Venus). Associated with the goddess, Aphrodite/Venus. The name, Eosphoros/Phosphorus, is specific to Venus in the morning, as the "Morning Star", and the name, Hesperus, is specific to Venus in the evening, as the "Evening Star"; while it was once believed that Venus in the morning and Venus in evening were two different celestial bodies, these two star-gods were later combined.

Stilbon (Ancient Greek: Στιλβων (Stilbôn); lit. "Gleaming", "Glittering" (stilbô)); the personification of the planet Mercury. Associated with the god, Hermes/Mercury.

In ancient Greek religion and myth, the Anemoi (Greek: Ἄνεμοι, "Winds") were wind gods who were each ascribed a cardinal direction from which their respective winds came (see Classical compass winds), and were each associated with various seasons and weather conditions, in a similar manner to modern meteorological terms like Nor'easter, storms which depend on the complex interaction of air masses in a particular region. They were the progeny of the goddess of the dawn Eos and her husband Astraeus.[1]

Wind rose of ancient Greece, created by the scholar Adamantios Korais around 1796

The Astra Planeta were naturally considered to reside in the sky, but also as their journey would see them disappear below the horizon. They were also considered to have homes within the River Oceanus/Okeanos, the earth-encircling river into which other constellations, the sun and moon also disappeared. The Astra Planeta are the entourage of their mother, Eos (with Eosphoros/Hesperus (as the morning star) preceading her), and their uncle, Helios; in Greco-Roman artwork (Greek vase paintings, etc.), as-such all five of the Astra Planeta brothers are depicted as youths diving back-down into the river Oceanus, the endless ocean, along with Helios riding his chariot, and at daybreak the next day, they would all arise with their uncle, with the rising of the sun each day.

Astra Planeta is also the name/title that is given, by-extension, to all star deities, collectively, in Greco-Roman mythology; during Cronus' reign, fearing them for their overpowering numbers and as potential enemies, Cronus banished them from the earth to live up in the abodes of his brother, Coeus (the personification of the celestial axis around which the heavens revolve) in their true forms, arranging into formations, becoming the first constellations--Eos and Astraeus siring Phainon, Phaethon, Pyroeis, Eosphoros/Hesperus and Stilbon all-afterwards.

The most famous tale centered on Zephyrus is that of Hyacinth, a Spartan youth renowned for his beauty and athleticism. This alluring prince became the subject of Zephyrus’s affection, and the god attempted to woo him. However, Hyacinth’s beauty had also caught the eye of APOLLO, the god of sun and light, who competed fiercely with Zephyrus to win the boy’s love. In the end, Apollo won out, and Zephyrus was left heartbroken at the loss of Hyacinth. Stung by rejection, Zephyrus came upon Apollo and Hyacinth throwing a discus. Overcome with anger, sent a a great gust of wind at the happy couple. This caused the discus to strike Hyacinth forcefully in the head, killing him.

Mourning the loss of his lover, Apollo created the hyacinth, or larkspur, flower from Hyacinth’s blood to commemorate the beautiful boy. Enraged by Zephyrus’s actions, Apollo sought revenge against him, but Zephyrus was protected by EROS, god of love, as the Hyacinth’s tragic death was caused by an act of love. In return for this protection, Zephyrus must pledge to serve Eros from that point onward. In a lesser role, Zephyrus, now indebted to Eros, is tasked with transporting PSYCHE, a beautiful woman, to CUPID for marriage. Additionally, Zephyrus is said to have guided ODYSSEUS in his travels and APHRODITE to the seas of Paphos.

Zephyrus is often depicted as youthful and handsome. He sports wings on many of the mosaics or vases of ancient Greece. In other depictions Zephyrus is portrayed as amorphous, shapeless winds. Or, in a tribute to his role as a god of spring, a basket of unripe fruit.

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Oct 10, 2012 6:05:32 GMT -5 iameye said:

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Nauset Light Star Trails
Image Credit & Copyright: Chris Cook
Explanation: In myth, Atlas holds up the heavens, but in this scene they seem to pivot around a lighthouse beacon. Photographed with a camera fixed to a tripod, the well-planned 30 minute exposure records star trails in the northern sky, reflecting the daily rotation of planet Earth. Hidden behind the top of the prominent Nauset Lighthouse on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA, the North Celestial Pole is at the center of all the star trail arcs. Making a complete circle, 360 degrees, in 24 hours, the star trail arcs cover 15 degrees each hour or 7.5 degrees in thirty minutes. Foreground lighting is courtesy of September 23rd's first quarter moonlight.

Ancient Greek Ἄτλας, meaning "The Bearer (of the Heavens)", from τλῆναι (tlēnai, “to thole, suffer, endure, bear”). See tolerate.


Luc/ifer

from lux (gen. lucis) "light" (see light (n.)) + ferre "carry" (see infer)

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Jul 17, 2022 19:32:00 GMT -5 cypher said:

A stele (/ˈstiːli/ STEE-lee),[Note 1] or occasionally stela (plural stelas or stelæ), when derived from Latin, is a stone or wooden slab, generally taller than it is wide, erected in the ancient world as a monument. The surface of the stele often has text, ornamentation, or both. These may be inscribed, carved in relief, or painted.



Stelae were created for many reasons. Grave stelae were used for funerary or commemorative purposes. Stelae as slabs of stone would also be used as ancient Greek and Roman government notices or as boundary markers to mark borders or property lines. Stelae were occasionally erected as memorials to battles. For example, along with other memorials, there are more than half-a-dozen steles erected on the battlefield of Waterloo at the locations of notable actions by participants in battle.[1]



Traditional Western gravestones may technically be considered the modern equivalent of ancient stelae, though the term is very rarely applied in this way. Equally, stele-like forms in non-Western cultures may be called by other terms, and the words "stele" and "stelae" are most consistently applied in archaeological contexts to objects from Europe, the ancient Near East and Egypt,[2] China, and sometimes Pre-Columbian America.

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