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Post by Spanky on Mar 26, 2004 21:10:08 GMT -5
don't you hear Alfalfa calling you? ;D Alfalfa's busy.. i'm solo tonight
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Post by SimMHoward on Mar 26, 2004 21:10:41 GMT -5
I don't get it...
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 26, 2004 21:13:30 GMT -5
Gee, why I am not surprised?
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Post by Spanky on Mar 26, 2004 21:14:00 GMT -5
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Post by SimMHoward on Mar 26, 2004 21:16:37 GMT -5
Gee, why I am not surprised? He's doing it again!
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 26, 2004 21:20:12 GMT -5
I don't mean this as an insult to anyone....but there will always be people who cannot "see" the difference between Faul and Paul. Just as there are many people who cannot distinguish Eva Gabor from Zsa Zsa Gabor. Any given day on ebay you will find photos of Eva listed as Zsa Zsa and vice versa..... And no, the Gabors have nothing to do with PID.....I'm just trying to illustrate my point. ;D
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Post by Abbey on Mar 26, 2004 21:22:21 GMT -5
Hold on, I thought you guys said that Faul have a LONGER face? The only difference between the subjects in those two photos is percentage of body fat. In 1965 Paul was a bit chubby. His face took on a wider, fuller appearance. By 1967 he was very thin. You have many pictures on this site that show Paul in the earlier years when he was thinner(Pre-moptop hairdoo) where he looks much more like the Macca we know now. www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/mccartney/639/holly.jpgIt's the same guy folks.
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 26, 2004 21:23:04 GMT -5
.....most of what is put here is theory and conjecture, not provable facts unfortunately, that will often be the case when trying to re-create events of nearly forty years ago. No one would've been foolish enough to leave information "engraved in stone". IMO, we are here trying to put the pieces together.
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 26, 2004 21:25:39 GMT -5
The only difference between the subjects in those two photos is percentage of body fat. In 1965 Paul was a bit chubby. His face took on a wider, fuller appearance. By 1967 he was very thin. You have many pictures on this site that show Paul in the earlier years when he was thinner(Pre-moptop hairdoo) where he looks much more like the Macca we know now. It's the same guy folks. I disagree, "folks". Meat Loaf has lost weight and changed "hairdoo"s, and looks like the same fellow he always has.
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Post by Spanky on Mar 26, 2004 21:35:52 GMT -5
It's the same guy folks. its not that cut and dried. you are posting a couple of pictures that cannot be provent to be authentic and saying "its the same guy folks" is that all it takes for you to be convinced? if you look on the very first PID forum we had and then (god i hate to do this) the early postings at 60IF before the poltergiest hit and also the vintage authentic pictures that have been posted here you will see that its not as easy to say "its the same guy folks"
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Post by SimMHoward on Mar 26, 2004 21:38:57 GMT -5
well heres a thought, are the others stretched? it doesn't look like it, so theres a pretty good chance that Paul isn't either
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Post by Spanky on Mar 26, 2004 21:43:36 GMT -5
honetly?.. i don't know if they have been stretched and if they have by who. i don't have that answer for you
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Post by Abbey on Mar 26, 2004 22:30:11 GMT -5
its not that cut and dried. you are posting a couple of pictures that cannot be provent to be authentic and saying "its the same guy folks" is that all it takes for you to be convinced? The early 60's black and white picture I posted was from your Paul forums 'Authentic' pre-'67 pics. No I don't base my opinions on two photos. The whole PID thing is just a fantasy. No use of logic, fact, or extrapolation of fact could account for the infinite number of things that could have (and would have) blown this whole thing out of the water if it were true. First of all, This William sheppard fellow would have be a dead ringer for Paul. Then he would have to be talented enough to play bass, and guitar LEFT HANDED, play piano, and drums, and do a spot on vocal impersonation. Then, his family, the rest of the Beatles, all of the other musicians who knew him well, George Martin and anyone else who knew him well, or worked with him durring the period of the switch would have to be living a lie for all these long years. Keeping the perfect secret. There could be absolutely no slip ups. On top of all of that, he would have to carry on this sinister plan for nearly 40 years without revealing his true self. Oh well, carry on.
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 26, 2004 22:43:07 GMT -5
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 26, 2004 22:49:06 GMT -5
....The early 60's black and white picture I posted was from your Paul forums 'Authentic' pre-'67 pics. yes, I own it. and of course it "resembles" 'Paul of today'.....that's the point of a lookalike. I am weary of people like you who come here and tell us what "is" and "isn't". What experience in or knowledge of the entertainment industry do you have? Lots of things have happened that are not talked about "publicly" or "officially". If you think it's the same person, you have every right to that opinion. What you do not have is the right to come on this forum and tell the rest of us, basically, how stupid we are. If you have something positive to contribute, please do so.
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Post by Abbey on Mar 26, 2004 22:51:59 GMT -5
Famous rock stars are replaced and the 'impersonators' go on to have a 40 year career as one of the greatest songwriters and performers ever? Really? Who?
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Post by Abbey on Mar 26, 2004 22:55:02 GMT -5
If you have something positive to contribute, please do so. I'm positive that Paul wasn't replaced. Does that count? ;D Really, I'm only showing the same convictions in my beliefs that others here are showing.
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Post by SimMHoward on Mar 26, 2004 23:26:25 GMT -5
I admire you for it, good to have another on the team
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Post by JoJo on Mar 26, 2004 23:31:24 GMT -5
Yes. Feel free. Uh, how would we know? You would have to be inside the situtation to know, not ordinary people like us with only the information that's already "out there", and we are only focused on this one. If there are others, your guess is as good as mine. Well all those things are possible for someone that is a reasonably talented musicion, there are certainly no shortage of people who can play all those instruments in a competent manner. Perhaps they are more talented in one than the other. However... Why the bold face with LEFT HANDED? Why must the impersonator have had to have been previously RIGHT HANDED? WHAT is your source for this information? Ohh could it be.. 60IF?? No one here ever said that, there is only one source for that, so DON"T use that as an argument, he could have been left handed, I, you and no one but the ghost hunters know that for sure.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 27, 2004 0:13:10 GMT -5
The early 60's black and white picture I posted was from your Paul forums 'Authentic' pre-'67 pics. Yes they are vintage... that's one of the reason's they're there. Somebody commented that the 1st 2 looked a little stretched. It's quite alright to wonder about that sorta stuff.. Hell somebody may come along & help ya figure it out. Those 2 pics referred to are indeed vintage so that answers that. About 90% of the time I can easily tell Paul from Bill, but there is an occational pic that is a bit puzzling. Then there's other times when we come across a pic that's obviously Paul, but the head looks longer for some reason. When we use truely vintage pics, at least we know that it wasn't purposely stretched. No I don't base my opinions on two photos. The whole PID thing is just a fantasy. No use of logic, fact, or extrapolation of fact could account for the infinite number of things that could have (and would have) blown this whole thing out of the water if it were true. I don't base my opinions on a few pics either. At this point there's lots of other stuff goin' on in this story that are more convincing than the comparison pics. There have been 2 people in the roll of Paul Mc over the last 40yrs.... no doubt about that. First of all, This William sheppard fellow would have be a dead ringer for Paul. Uhhh, NO he didn't have to be a dead ringer. How could anybody watch Ed Sullivan, Hard Days Night, or Help & then watch MMTour & still think it's the same guy. They look nothing alike! And they have totally different personalities. Then, his family, the rest of the Beatles, all of the other musicians who knew him well, George Martin and anyone else who knew him well, or worked with him durring the period of the switch would have to be living a lie for all these long years. Keeping the perfect secret. There could be absolutely no slip ups. On top of all of that, he would have to carry on this sinister plan for nearly 40 years without revealing his true self. Oh well, carry on. Yes the family aspect is the hardest part of this to figure. But I will say this..... there's tons of people out there living a lie for money, what's so unusual about that? Who needs slip ups. The Beatles have been screaming this at us forever & most people never hear or see a thing.... never mind the fact that the guy on Sgt.P & MMT look nothing like JPM... nobody notices. They sound like a totally different band suddenly & still nobody notices.
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Post by revolver on Mar 27, 2004 1:07:53 GMT -5
These photos don't pass the eye test, not to mention the dissimilar noses: These photos are the same scale as those used for the horizontal and vertical line comparisons. So much for the theory that the eyes line up. The main reason is that Faul's eyes are too close together compared to Paul's. This is seen in numerous photo comparisons.
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 27, 2004 1:10:10 GMT -5
Uhhh, NO he didn't have to be a dead ringer. How could anybody watch Ed Sullivan, Hard Days Night, or Help & then watch MMTour & still think it's the same guy. They look nothing alike! And they have totally different personalities. PID started in 1969 mainly because of clues, not visual or vocal comparisons. Before then, NOBODY ever questioned that they were the same man. People loved The Beatles for about 3 years, and once Sgt. Pepper was out, they got a good big picture of (PF)aul, listened to his voice, and thought everything was normal.
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Post by Abbey on Mar 27, 2004 1:18:01 GMT -5
Who needs slip ups. The Beatles have been screaming this at us forever Actually, John said it was a load of rubbish.
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 27, 2004 1:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by revolver on Mar 27, 2004 1:33:30 GMT -5
So in one year's time "Paul" got a nose job, had his eyes moved closer together, his chin lengthened, his ears pinned back, grew 3 inces taller and changed his voiceprint? Amazing.
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