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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 27, 2004 1:35:40 GMT -5
He got taller? Please show me a pic of him with the other Beatles, from head to toe. What we need are body structure fades...
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Post by revolver on Mar 27, 2004 1:53:31 GMT -5
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 27, 2004 1:58:46 GMT -5
...therefore, he must be telling the truth.
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 27, 2004 2:58:48 GMT -5
Famous rock stars are replaced and the 'impersonators' go on to have a 40 year career as one of the greatest songwriters and performers ever? that was not the statement. This was: ....First of all, This William sheppard fellow would have be a dead ringer for Paul. Then he would have to be talented enough to play bass, and guitar LEFT HANDED, play piano, and drums, and do a spot on vocal impersonation..... again, my reply: what would be so impossible about that? It's done every day. invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=refutals&action=display&thread=1077020790
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 27, 2004 3:04:17 GMT -5
I'm positive that Paul wasn't replaced. Does that count? ;D Really, I'm only showing the same convictions in my beliefs that others here are showing. you have every right to your beliefs. But you may find yourself happier on another forum if you do not believe Paul was replaced. Since you consider what we are talking about here "fantasy", I suggest you stay on the "fan" (non-PID) part of this forum, or just move along.
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Post by xpt626 on Mar 27, 2004 3:09:22 GMT -5
thanks, Revolver, I wasn't aware of that. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Good-Post[1].gif"]
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Post by -Wings- on Mar 27, 2004 4:38:53 GMT -5
When it comes to the "left handed bass" issue, remember that we didn't see the alleged replacement play the guitar for a long time after the Beatles stopped touring. You'll notice in the videos for Penny Lane or Hello Goodbye that he's merely holding the guitar, but not doing any real playing. If he did assume the identity of Paul McCartney, he could surely get the handle of playing the bass left-handed after a year plus of training.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 27, 2004 9:07:02 GMT -5
When it comes to the "left handed bass" issue, remember that we didn't see the alleged replacement play the guitar for a long time after the Beatles stopped touring. You'll notice in the videos for Penny Lane or Hello Goodbye that he's merely holding the guitar, but not doing any real playing. If he did assume the identity of Paul McCartney, he could surely get the handle of playing the bass left-handed after a year plus of training. Yes, the left handed thing is the weakest of Abbey's PIA points. I know so many musicians who are as good or better than the big rock stars. Most of them would gladly learn to switch hands in return for fame & fortune. And what about the Beatle tribute bands? I'll bet a months salary that some of the tribute-Pauls out there were R-handed & had to switch over to get the job. The tribute band I saw (Beatlemania Live) sounded more like the Beatles than the Beatles. That isn't that difficult to learn to switch sides so I'm puzzled by the emphasis put on it. Hell I had to learn to paint with my useless R-hand for my day job. I can now paint a very straight line with my R-hand... a chore that woulda been impossible a little while back. No fame or fortune involved, just a regular paycheck that doesn't quite cover all my bills.... but I still had to learn to be R-handed at times.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 27, 2004 9:16:59 GMT -5
PID started in 1969 mainly because of clues, not visual or vocal comparisons. Before then, NOBODY ever questioned that they were the same man. People loved The Beatles for about 3 years, and once Sgt. Pepper was out, they got a good big picture of (PF)aul, listened to his voice, and thought everything was normal. Ya, that's right. People are so weird. And I was one of the blind flock who didn't notice a thing back then. I think enough time went by without anybody seeing JPM or a pic, that people sorta forgot exactly what he looked like. Then they hit us with Sgt.P & everybody was too busy buzzing over the new sound & look to notice. The best place to hide something is in plain sight. So we got the Sgt.P cover.
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Post by Spanky on Mar 27, 2004 10:20:48 GMT -5
No I don't base my opinions on two photos. The whole PID thing is just a fantasy. No use of logic, fact, or extrapolation of fact could account for the infinite number of things that could have (and would have) blown this whole thing out of the water if it were true. really? so what are you basing it on? do tell us all your sources and all your evidence because then we can all close up shop and go home i sure hope its more than "its the same guy folks" because if that's all you've got then i suggest you move on back to 60IF or Macca because you are obviously wasting your precious time here and ours.
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Post by Abbey on Mar 27, 2004 12:00:57 GMT -5
When it comes to the "left handed bass" issue, remember that we didn't see the alleged replacement play the guitar for a long time after the Beatles stopped touring. You'll notice in the videos for Penny Lane or Hello Goodbye that he's merely holding the guitar, but not doing any real playing. If he did assume the identity of Paul McCartney, he could surely get the handle of playing the bass left-handed after a year plus of training. Wasn't the world wide Live broadcast of All You Need Is Love done in June '67?
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Post by JoJo on Mar 27, 2004 12:15:47 GMT -5
Wasn't the world wide Live broadcast of All You Need Is Love done in June '67? Yes, but if you watch a video I have, they talk about "laying down the tracks" before the broadcast. So the instrumentation was no doubt canned in advance. Whether John lipped synched or not, who knows. All the rest appear to do vocally is provide harmonies.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 27, 2004 13:40:57 GMT -5
Wasn't the world wide Live broadcast of All You Need Is Love done in June '67? I've only played very minimal bass & am far from being able to say that I can play a bass, but I have no doubt that if I had a few months to work on it, I could play the bass in that song. R or L-handed. Besides, as Jojo sez, the music was prerecorded anyway, so it doesn't matter. Hell, my bass player never played a bass or any other instrument before we formed our band... yet he was able to take over the bass parts. And by literally memorizing his part, we were playing live in ONE MONTH. ...And he had a day job to go to every day.
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 27, 2004 14:15:22 GMT -5
really? so what are you basing it on? do tell us all your sources and all your evidence because then we can all close up shop and go home Hey really! I'm getting tired of being obsessed with all this Paul/Faul stuff.! I need to get back to all the other weird stuff I used to be obsessed with!
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 27, 2004 15:42:16 GMT -5
Yes, but if you watch a video I have, they talk about "laying down the tracks" before the broadcast. So the instrumentation was no doubt canned in advance. Whether John lipped synched or not, who knows. All the rest appear to do vocally is provide harmonies. Yes, in the "All You Need I s Love" broadcast, when (PF)aul sang "all together now........everybody" that looked very out of sync.
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Post by eggy on Mar 27, 2004 15:50:40 GMT -5
He got taller? Please show me a pic of him with the other Beatles, from head to toe. What we need are body structure fades... Sorry, i'll try to find some pics i have from head to toe
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Post by -Wings- on Mar 27, 2004 17:02:24 GMT -5
Yes, I'm pretty sure the All You Need is Live performance was lip-synched. I can't tell any audible difference between that version and the one found in on the Magical Mystery Tour album.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 27, 2004 17:39:19 GMT -5
Hold on, I thought you guys said that Faul have a LONGER face? Using this picture as a measuring tool, I took the liberty of measuring the width of Paul and Faul's face on my computer screen. It seems that the eyes, nose and mouth match up because the face/head of Paul is made bigger to achieve that match. And it also makes Paul's face wider. Before you start claiming that he was fatter realize I also measured the eye distance on my computer screen from the middle of the eye to the other. I have a 17" monitor. Width of face Paul- 3 7/16" Faul- 3 1/16" Distance of eyes Paul- 1 9/16" Faul- 1 7/16" You can see that there is a noticable difference in the width of Paul's face compared to Faul's. On my computer the difference is 3/8 of an inch. These are pictures that are smaller than life so the difference wuld be greater in real life. Now you may say that it was the weight loss that did this. Okay well then how do you explain the difference in the eye distance? That is a soild 1/8 of an inch which in real life would translate to more. This is so simple.
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 27, 2004 17:44:20 GMT -5
Eye distance?
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Post by SimMHoward on Mar 27, 2004 18:33:00 GMT -5
Using this picture as a measuring tool, I took the liberty of measuring the width of Paul and Faul's face on my computer screen. It seems that the eyes, nose and mouth match up because the face/head of Paul is made bigger to achieve that match. And it also makes Paul's face wider. Before you start claiming that he was fatter realize I also measured the eye distance on my computer screen from the middle of the eye to the other. I have a 17" monitor. Width of face Paul- 3 7/16" Faul- 3 1/16" Distance of eyes Paul- 1 9/16" Faul- 1 7/16" You can see that there is a noticable difference in the width of Paul's face compared to Faul's. On my computer the difference is 3/8 of an inch. These are pictures that are smaller than life so the difference wuld be greater in real life. Now you may say that it was the weight loss that did this. Okay well then how do you explain the difference in the eye distance? That is a soild 1/8 of an inch which in real life would translate to more. This is so simple. This gets even simpler, how accurate were your measurements? How can you be sure you measured from the same spot on both eyes? We'll use your excuse and say How do we know that one of them isn't strectched?
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Post by lj on Mar 27, 2004 18:41:45 GMT -5
oh well, within me... that doesn't even sound like a valid point as a disagreement. that sounds just like a "i protest".... please... please... stop looking for fight. and i don't want to hear the typical "he started first", please.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 27, 2004 19:21:01 GMT -5
Eye distance? Hey you got the distances to match. Of course you had to enlarge the Faul photo to do it! And don't deny it!!!!!!!!
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 27, 2004 20:16:29 GMT -5
They match up both ways:
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 27, 2004 20:50:18 GMT -5
They match up both ways: No they don't. Look at the left eye of Faul in the bottom picture. The line is outside his eye, noticably. Not a match.
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 27, 2004 20:51:34 GMT -5
..plus in the right pic of Faul the line goes ABOVE his eyes not through the middle of them.
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