PID/PWR songs

[faulconandsnowjob]

"Casualties at dawn"

A casualty is someone who is killed in a war, not in an accident. This goes w/ my current working theory that Paul's death was not an accident.

[iameye]

Aug 8, 2008 10:58:20 GMT -5 @faulconandsnowjob said:

"Casualties at dawn"

A casualty is someone who is killed in a war, not in an accident. This goes w/ my current working theory that Paul's death was not an accident.

unless he was an accidental TOURist

ok, sorry ;D

[Girl]

Speaking of ELO and Jeff Lynne, I came across something recently.

I think it all started by following a link to "Strawberry Hill"... I mean... fields, hill... tomato, tomatto lol. Not quite, but you know what I mean.

Anyhow, there's a castle, Strawberry Hill near Twickenham, built by Horace Walpole, 4th Earl of Orford in the 1700's. Among other things, he was a poet who had a string of affairs with many unmarriageable women.

I don't know, it just made me remember the song "The Diary of Horace Wimp". by ELO.

Nothing really outstanding lyrically, but there's something Paulishly familiar about the some of the imagery in this vid that I can't quite put my finger on... yet.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFU9HYyMVxQ

Gosh, I must've really liked ELO back in the day... I had 5 or 6 of their LP's.

P.S. How the hell do you embed vids in here, anyway? loool
Yes, I know, observe the "YOUTUBE" button above... it just doesn't seem to work for me.

[iameye]

I went down to the Chelsea drugstore www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1990466/Chelsea-Flower-Show-Beatles,-lilies-and-gardens-fit-for-a-Queen.html

To get your prescription filled glasses? lol
I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy JP
And man, did he look pretty ill green around the lils
We decided that we would have a soda fizzy water
My favorite flavor, cherry red like a Sun
I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead"
I said to him

You can't always get what you want, no!

did we do this one yet?

[JoJo]

Aug 8, 2008 12:15:58 GMT -5 Girl said:

P.S. How the hell do you embed vids in here, anyway? loool
Yes, I know, observe the "YOUTUBE" button above... it just doesn't seem to work for me.

Try this thread first: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=about&action=display&thread=2078

Hopefully that helps.

[B]

Iameye wrote: "did we do this one yet?"

It was posted at TKIN once upon a time.
I don't know if I posted it, or someone else, but I deleted all my song posts there in a fit of rage,
so it may or may not be there.

You Can't Always Get What You Want
(Jagger/Richards)

hear it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzz1VEN1SEk

I saw her today at a reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she would meet her connection
At her feet was her footloose man

No, you can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need

Oh yeah, hey hey hey, oh...

And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"
Sing it to me now...

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
Oh baby, yeah, yeah!

I went down to the Chelsea drugstore
To get your prescription filled
I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy (James Paul McCartney?)
And man! Did he look pretty ill!
We decided that we would have a soda.
My favorite flavor was cherry red
I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead"
I said to him

You can't always get what you want, no!
You can't always get what you want (tell ya baby)
You can't always get what you want (no)
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You get what you need
Oh yes! Woo!

You get what you need--yeah, oh baby!
Oh yeah!

I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need

You can't always get what you want (no, no baby)
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need, ah yes...

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"Jigsaw Puzzle" is here somewhere too. Likely a PID song.

[iameye]

too many fits of rage ;D



so, whaddya think the word dead means? I't's all Mr. Jimmy said.

A four letter word, meaning ......what?

why would Mr J say that?


jagger says:

"But NOoooooooooo"

lol ;D

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Aug 8, 2008 23:25:59 GMT -5 B said:

Iameye wrote: "did we do this one yet?"

It was posted at TKIN once upon a time.
I don't know if I posted it, or someone else, but I deleted all my song posts there in a fit of rage,
so it may or may not be there.

You Can't Always Get What You Want
(Jagger/Richards)

hear it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzz1VEN1SEk

I saw her today at a reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she would meet her connection
At her feet was her footloose man

No, you can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need

Oh yeah, hey hey hey, oh...

And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, "We're gonna vent our frustration
If we don't we're gonna blow a 50-amp fuse"
Sing it to me now...

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
Oh baby, yeah, yeah!

I went down to the Chelsea drugstore
To get your prescription filled
I was standing in line with Mr. Jimmy (James Paul McCartney?)
And man! Did he look pretty ill!
We decided that we would have a soda.
My favorite flavor was cherry red
I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead"
I said to him

You can't always get what you want, no!
You can't always get what you want (tell ya baby)
You can't always get what you want (no)
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You get what you need
Oh yes! Woo!

You get what you need--yeah, oh baby!
Oh yeah!

I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need

You can't always get what you want (no, no baby)
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need, ah yes...

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"Jigsaw Puzzle" is here somewhere too. Likely a PID song.

I think you're on to something here, LB.

Dr. Jimmy

Laugh and say I'm green
I've seen things you'll never see
Talk behind my back
I'm off the beaten track
I'll take on anyone
Ain't scared of a bloody nose,
Drink till I drop down
With one eye on my clothes

What is it? I'll take it
Who is she? I'll rape it
Got a bet there? I'll meet it
Getting High? You can't beat it

Doctor Jimmy and mister Jim
When I'm pilled you don't notice him,
He only comes out when I drink my gin

You say she's a virgin
I'm gonna be the first in
Her fellah's gonna kill me?
Oh fucking will he?
I'm seeing double
But don't miss me if you can
There's gonna be trouble
When she choses her man

What is it? I'll take it
Who is she? I'll rape it
Got a bet there? I'll meet it
Getting High? You can't beat it

Doctor Jimmy and mister Jim
When I'm pilled you don't notice him,
He only comes out when I drink my gin

Is it me? For a moment
The stars are falling
The heat is rising
The past is calling

Is it me? For a moment
The stars are falling
The heat is rising
The past is calling

I'm going back soon
Home to get the baboon
Who cut up my eye,
Tore up my Levis
I'm feeling restless
Bring another score around
Maybe something stronger
Could really hold me down

What is it? I'll take it
Who is she? I'll rape it
Got a bet there? I'll meet it
Getting High? You can't beat it

What is it? I'll take it.
Who is she? I'll rape it.

Doctor Jimmy and mister Jim
When I'm pilled you don't notice him,
He only comes out when I drink my gin.

Is it me? For a moment
The stars are falling.
The heat is rising
The past is calling.

Is it me? For a moment
The stars are falling
The heat is rising
The past is calling

[paulumbo]

I found a song by Paul Jones, ex-member of Manfred Mann that he recorded in 1967:

Hey, little girl, I'm in a whirl
I've been a bad, bad boy
I'm on my knees, forgive me, please
I've been a bad, bad boy

I'm not the man you think I am
I give you a warning
You'll wake up and find me gone} I'LL FOLLOW
Some sunny morning} THE SUN

Things that I've said run through my head} THERE'S A PLACE
I've been a bad, bad boy
My past is black, I'm coming back
I've been a bad, bad boy.

In my time I've done a lot of things
I'd better not remember
But you see such a change in me
I'm making you forget

Your resolution
To run it out from this confusion
You got to face it, I'm a loser} !
I'm just a clown when I'm down} !

And while you sleep, I softly weep
I've been a bad, bad boy.
Here comes the night, we'll be alright
I've been a bad, bad boy

Just hold me hand, I'll take you where
The sun and moon are always shining
One fine day you gonna turn to me
And see a silver lining, yeah
I've been a bad, bad boy
I've been a bad, bad boy

There's a video of Paul Jones singing this on veoh.com. Also, wasn't this song from the movie Paul Jones starred in, PRIVILEGE?

[B]

I've been a bad, bad boy by Paul Jones
This classic hit comes from 1967 and it got to no.5 in the charts of that very year!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHdZrQ2hOM
Interesting find, paulombo!


Doctor Jimmy The Who Quadrophenia 320 KBPS STEREO Originalmx
Polydor Original Mix Japan
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgAoWTUzEU

(Sorry for the delayed response P(D)enny, I didn't see this 'til now.)
This is interesting. The Dr. Jeckyl & Mr. Hyde aspect of the song.

Doctor Jimmy and mister Jim
When I'm pilled you don't notice him,
He only comes out when I drink my gin

This theme has come out in songs by other groups.
The Byrds' "Artificial Energy" comes to mind.

I'll have to give Quadrophenia a listen. I've never actually sat down and listened to it end to end,
but certainly The Who have been clue givers in the PID arena.

[B]

The Who - Baba o'riley - Quadrophenia 1970s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcyuJTgKjZc

Has anyone here seen this video before?!
We've had many discussions about the cliffs on the alternate White Album cover, and the
debris on the rocks.



Some "moped accident". Does anyone know more about the video (where it came from, etc.)?
There was a movie? (See next post)

[B]

Okay, here we go!

Quadrophenia
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5K4osAGSpE

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrophenia_(film)
"Quadrophenia is a 1979 British film based on the 1973 rock opera album Quadrophenia by The Who. The film stars Phil Daniels in the leading role as a Mod named Jimmy...

It's London, 1964, and Jimmy is a Mod (fashion-obsessed working class youths who listen to black American soul music, take amphetamines and ride Vespa and Lambretta scooters). The Mods' arch-enemies are the Rockers, who in turn wear black leather and ride motorcycles. Disillusioned by his parents and a dead-end job as a runner in an advertising firm, Jimmy only finds an outlet for his teenage angst with his mod pals Dave, Chalky and Spider. However his angst and confusion are compounded by the fact that one of his Rocker rivals is in fact childhood friend Kevin (Ray Winstone), to whom he comments "I don't wanna be like everybody else - that's why I'm a Mod, see?". A three-day bank holiday provides the excuse for the rivalry between the two gangs to come to a head, as they both descend upon the seaside town of Brighton.

But when Jimmy is arrested during the Brighton riot, which was based on the real life "Second Battle of Hastings" Bank Holiday riot of 1964, his life begins to go downhill. He is fined and kicked out of his house by his mother, who found his stash of blues (blue pills of amphetamine). He then quits his job, blows his severance package on blues, and finds out that his crush, Steph is now the girlfriend of his mate Dave. After a short fight with Dave, he wrecks his scooter and finds out his idol, the suave Mod "poster boy" Ace Face (played by Sting), is in reality a bellboy. He steals Ace's scooter and heads out to the cliffs, leading him to an uncertain fate...

Only one scene in the whole film was shot on the studio; all others were on location. Beachy Head, where Jimmy may or may not try to kill himself at the end of the film, was the location of a real-life suicide that influenced the soundtrack and film adaptation (Beachy Head is a well-known suicide spot with locals). The stunt coordinators underestimated the length that the scooter would fly through the air after being driven off Beachy Head. Franc Roddam, who shot the scene from a helicopter, was almost hit."

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Aug 20, 2008 21:06:49 GMT -5 B said:

The Who - Baba o'riley - Quadrophenia 1970s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcyuJTgKjZc

Has anyone here seen this video before?!
We've had many discussions about the cliffs on the alternate White Album cover, and the
debris on the rocks.



Some "moped accident". Does anyone know more about the video (where it came from, etc.)?
There was a movie? (See next post)

Iv'e got a few things for you , B.

Question: Where does this alternate White Album cover come from? I've seen it a bunch, but I've never run across an *official* explanation. Was this the proposed cover for the "Doll's House" project? If so, where can I substantiate this?

Now, on to the good part.

At the 2:33 mark of the Quadrophenia clip, there are SEVERAL faces visible on the white cliff. In fact, the Ringo half face from the "Doll's House" cover LEAPS off the screen immediately. I'm attaching two versions of the screen shot below:

This one is untouched:



In this one, I adjusted the light a bit in order to bring out the faces that were already visible, and then labeled two of them.

The Ringo half-face appears to be the same image as the one on the Doll's House cover. The Paul face looks familiar, but I can pinpoint where I know it from.



Edit:

I just noticed that the tagline for the Quadrophenia movie was: Helen...........erm, I mean "Hell On Wheels!"

www.imdb.com/title/tt0079766/

[paulumbo]

I listened to QUADROPHENIA on the Youtube link, Letter B. God! Can someone reverse the instrumental part from 7:09-on to see if there's backmasking?

[thisone]

Is it a Seagull or Albatross?

If it were the latter it could be an allusion to :

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross_(metaphor)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner

Which begins..

Day after day, day after day,
We stuck, nor breath nor motion;
As idle as a painted ship
Upon a painted ocean.

I typed Beachy Head into my Google Search bar and the preemptive text completed "Beachy Head Suicide Statistics" for me. It's a popular place for suicide apparently, which would make it the perfect cover if you wanted to get rid of someone!

I dont think the image is Beachy Head, featured on the cover, the lighthouse is on the cliff edge not down on the rocks but the cliff shape is very simialr.

Large image:

www.solarnavigator.net/geography/geography_images/beachy_head_cliffs_looking_east_to_lighthouse.jpg

[iameye]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T92tj3LT6s

2 2 2 ICE
yeah 1 2 1 2 mic check uh

death and destruction
weak rhymes and hard crimes
tech nines and lost time to find my
know what it's like to world fight
and white lies
dark side with no sides
the very light
to decide what lies inside the eyes
terrorize despite the pain surprise
i wont front you know i wont hide
why? its fright night worldwide

CHORUS
it's coming its coming 4x

nothing is real
cant do what u feel
nothing feels right
cant save my life

steady rise and rise to the other side
predefined and unified its redefined
love or hate complicate when we all die
dont lose sight of the struggles that i have inside
find out the reason why the people ask why
they see the light i'm going out each and every time
now clear the path i feel the wrath now I'm free
get from in front of me

CHORUS
nothing is real
cant do what u feel
nothing feels right
cant save my life

you cant make me die
now i testify
through you i can see
get from in front of me
you cant make me die
now i'm detrified
through you i can see
get from in front of me
NOW!!!

CHORUS
nothing is real
cant do what u feel
nothing feels right
cant save my life


nothing is real
nothing is real
nothing is real
nothing is real

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Aug 20, 2008 21:06:49 GMT -5 B said:

The Who - Baba o'riley - Quadrophenia 1970s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcyuJTgKjZc

Has anyone here seen this video before?!
We've had many discussions about the cliffs on the alternate White Album cover, and the
debris on the rocks.



Some "moped accident". Does anyone know more about the video (where it came from, etc.)?
There was a movie? (See next post)

I posted this last week, but got no response. This led me to believe that either nobody saw it, or that you all think I'm way off base.

Anyway, I'm reposting, and adding a new development that I hit upon yesterday while watching the Free As A Bird video.

START OF LAST WEEK'S POST:

"Iv'e got a few things for you , B.

Question: Where does this alternate White Album cover come from? I've seen it a bunch, but I've never run across an *official* explanation. Was this the proposed cover for the "Doll's House" project? If so, where can I substantiate this?

Now, on to the good part.

At the 2:33 mark of the Quadrophenia clip, there are SEVERAL faces visible on the white cliff. In fact, the Ringo half face from the "Doll's House" cover LEAPS off the screen immediately. I'm attaching two versions of the screen shot below:

UNTOUCHED Quadrophenia screen capture:



In this one, I adjusted the light a bit in order to bring out the faces that were already visible, and then labeled two of them.

The Ringo half-face appears to be the same image as the one on the Doll's House cover. The Paul profile looks familiar, but I can't pinpoint where I know it from.



Edit:

I just noticed that the tagline for the Quadrophenia movie was: Helen...........erm, I mean "Hell On Wheels!"

www.imdb.com/title/tt0079766/"

END OF LAST WEEK'S POST

Update:

In the Quadrophenia screen cap above I outlined a profile that I proposed was of Paul. It's of the LEFT side of his face. I said that it looked familiar, but that I couldn't quite figure out why it was familiar.

Then yesterday, I was watching the Free As As Bird video and caught a similar profile (but from the RIGHT). It's on the side of the police van in the car accident scene, and can be seen at the 2:22 mark, right next to the image of Paul's smashed face.

Have a look:



So anyway, it DOES seem to me that the Beatles faces have somehow been superimposed onto the Brighton cliff in the final scene of Quadrophenia (just like the unreleased Doll's House cover), which may or may not be a suicide by motorcycle, but is most certainly similar enough to a MOPED ACCIDENT to be taken as a symbolic indicator of McCartney's "death", or replcacement, or something...

[B]

P(D)enny La(i)ne wrote:
"Was this the proposed cover for the 'Doll's House' project? If so, where can I substantiate this?"

I only know this image as the "alternate 'White Album' cover".
I would not call it "the Doll House cover". It's not related to "The Doll House" to the best of my knowledge.
Beyond that, I know very little about it.

I don't know whether the cliffs in the Who video are the same ones represented in the alternate
White Album cover. I can't say that there is an exact replication of faces on the alt white album cover,
but I very much doubt it.
I mean, what are the odds that George Martin, an unidentified female, Ringo, a child-faced Paul,
Denny Laine, John, Dr. Mengele, and "Faul"(?) would naturally appear on the side of cliffs?
I'd say there's no chance of that, but I could certainly buy that the artist of the alt White Album
was thinking of the 'apparent' faces on the cliffs at the location in the Who video.

I see what you mean about the "Paul profile" in the Free Bird video resembling the one on
the cliff, but reversed, but I am inclined to think that that is a coincidence.
Good observation, though! Yikes!

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Aug 25, 2008 10:37:16 GMT -5 B said:

P(D)enny La(i)ne wrote:
"Was this the proposed cover for the 'Doll's House' project? If so, where can I substantiate this?"

I only know this image as the "alternate 'White Album' cover".
I would not call it "the Doll House cover". It's not related to "The Doll House" to the best of my knowledge.
Beyond that, I know very little about it.

I don't know whether the cliffs in the Who video are the same ones represented in the alternate
White Album cover. I can't say that there is an exact replication of faces on the alt white album cover,
but I very much doubt it.
I mean, what are the odds that George Martin, an unidentified female, Ringo, a child-faced Paul,
Denny Laine, John, Dr. Mengele, and "Faul"(?) would naturally appear on the side of cliffs?
I'd say there's no chance of that, but I could certainly buy that the artist of the alt White Album
was thinking of the 'apparent' faces on the cliffs at the location in the Who video.

I see what you mean about the "Paul profile" in the Free Bird video resembling the one on
the cliff, but reversed, but I am inclined to think that that is a coincidence.
Good observation, though! Yikes!

I'm not suggesting that the ALL of faces on the alt. White Album cover are exaclty the same as the ones in the Quadrophenia clip, but I DO think that the Ringo half face from the alt. White Album is VERY similar to the one in the Quad clip.

Further, I'm saying that the scene from Quadrophenia (released in 1979) has Beatle faces ON A CLIFF, just as the alt. White Album cover (from 11 years prior) had Beatle faces ON A CLIFF.

The faces don't need to be exact replicas in order for the connection to be made.

My quandary is that I can't decide whether I think the Brighton cliff had NATURALLY OCCURRING face-like structures that were modified to look like Paul and Ringo, or if they were somehow added to the Quadrophenia shot via some sort of special effect.

Either way, they're right there, hidden in plain sight. I mean, I wasn't looking for Beatle faces on the cliff while I watched the Quadrophenia clip that you posted, but there they were. And when I called my girlfriend in to look, I asked her if she saw "anything interesting" on the cliff, and after a brief pause she said "is that Paul McCartney's proifile?" Finally, when one takes the many lyrical clues on Quadrophenia into account, well, I'd LOVE to have a beer with one Peter Townshend.

[iameye]

Aug 25, 2008 10:37:16 GMT -5 B said:

P(D)enny La(i)ne wrote:
"Was this the proposed cover for the 'Doll's House' project? If so, where can I substantiate this?"

I only know this image as the "alternate 'White Album' cover".
I would not call it "the Doll House cover". It's not related to "The Doll House" to the best of my knowledge.
Beyond that, I know very little about it.

Try this thread first: sunsite.berkeley.edu/Goldman/Writings/Drama/doll.html
Hopefully that helps.

[B]

I meant I knew very little about the origins of the alternate White Album cover. ;D

[iameye]

Aug 25, 2008 20:19:43 GMT -5 B said:

I meant I knew very little about the origins of the alternate White Album cover. ;D

...meaning you understand the premise of Ibsen's play then?


I wonder if "A doll's House" has anything to do with the Temple doll on Pepper.......

[B]

"...meaning you understand the premise of Ibsen's play then?"

Meaning I knew very little about the origins of the alternate White Album cover. ;D
(Referencing the one with the cliffs and the ufo-y looking thing on it.)

[iameye]

Aug 26, 2008 7:30:09 GMT -5 B said:

"...meaning you understand the premise of Ibsen's play then?"

Meaning I knew very little about the origins of the alternate White Album cover. ;D
(Referencing the one with the cliffs and the ufo-y looking thing on it.)

yes, B, but it would also stand to reason that the three "covers" may be linked on premise
in some way

I'm not sure where this ufo-thingy is, could you point it out again?

we have three artwork concepts:

the released album white cover, originally embossed letters and w/ a serial number placed on it


the white cliiff and open sea cover

the doll house cover

what's the connection?

[paulumbo]

I starting looking at songs by Cream and I found an interesting song that was the flip side of the single that had BADGE (the Paul-Faul song that George Harrison co-wrote with Eric Clapton) on it. The song's called WHAT A BRINGDOWN:

Dainties in a jam-jar, a parson's colour in the sky. [PLENTY OF JAM JARS by the Ravellers?]
Water in a fountain doesn't get me very high.
Moby Dick and Albert making out with Captain Bligh.
So you know what you know in your head. ["Even though you know what you know. . ." SHE SAID SHE SAID]
Will you, won't you, do you, don't you know when a head's dead?
What a bringdown!

Winter leader Lou is growin' 'amsteads in the North.
Betty B's been wearin' daisies since the twenty-fourth.
Wears a gunner when there's one more coming forth.
And you know what you know in your head.
Will you, won't you do you, don't you wanna go to bed?
What a bringdown!

There's a tea-leaf about in the family,
Full of nothin' their fairy tale.
There's a tea-leaf a-floatin' now for Rosalie,
They'll believe in ding-dong bell.

Take a butchers at the dodginesses of old Bill [Campbell?]
Aristotle's orchestra are living on the pill.
One of them gets very very prickly when he's ill.
And you know what you know in your head.
Will you, won't you, do you, don't you wanna make more bread?
What a bringdown!

Listen to this on youtube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6FFnwp/E7c

At 0:51-0:52 and 1:11-1:12, it sounds very much like John Lennon on GLASS ONION.