People In Sgt Pepper's Cover

[plastic paul]

Peter Blake wasn't it? Though I reckon Faul hat a lot to do with it and actually put in more than his "role" was worth, as it were, I think he was a very lucky boy around Sgt. Pepper time...

[JoJo]

I think you are correct, I'll have to track down the book this is from. Terry was the one who supposedly did the majority of the legwork involved.

But hey, take a look at this:

wesclark.com/rrr/sergeant_pepper.html

While is is simply an exploration of "who might have played rugby" on the Pepper cover, what a good idea to do a little research into the stories behind each character and lay them out..

[TotalInformation]

If it wasn't Lennon he dictated it...

[tkp1966]

Sgt. Pepper + Bill + Hollywood= Nothing Is Real

[JoJo]

I got that March issue of Mojo that 4KH talked about on another thread, and yes it is quite interesting. The designer, or at least the one claimed to have designed the Pepper cover, Peter Blake, had this to say:

It didn't occur to me that the waxworks of the suited Beatles looked like 'the Beatles are dead; long live the Beatles' and that they were looking at their funeral flowers, but it's an interesting idea. We set up a couple of myths to find in the puzzle, but most of them are dead ends. What's intriguing is how the mythology never stops.

Myths, eh?

[fourthousandholes]

Wow, I almost mailed you my copy this morning, but my tenant needed the car. Guess I'll just
hang on to my copy. ;D

[JoJo]

fourthousandholes said:

Wow, I almost mailed you my copy this morning, but my tenant needed the car. Guess I'll just
hang on to my copy. ;D

Hah! Well I would have mailed it back. I meant to PM you yesterday, slipped my mind.

[beatlies]

They've got a JFK look-alike and a Richard Nixon look-alike in there too. Of course, those are not their "official" identities as stated by the Beatles and Apple corporation.

[mommybird]

Has anyone ever heard about Paul being a big Rugby/Soccer fan ? If he was, it would make sense that his son would get the trophy !

Just curious, is all... ;D

[plastic paul]

Beatlies, you probably know that I see Pepper as being the Holy Grail as it were, where are said Nixon and JFK lookalikes?

[beatlies]

Richard Nixon: immediately above the "New John Lennon."

JFK: Below Karlheinz Stockhausen-Hitler

Edit: The face below Karl Marx and above Marlene Dietrich also looks like JFK, maybe more so.

[il ras]

Recently I put in an Italian forum the sketchs JoJo posted here.
And that occasion made me pay a little more attention to them...
What do u see here?

[beatlies]

Looked this up after reading a great new post on TKIN. A SALVADOR DALI (Spanish fascist, psychopathic, child-beating/torturing mentor to Mia Farrow and then friend of Fia) painting of Shirley Temple, May 1939:




In "technicolor" replacing of Shirley Temple's body with that of a demonic, human-eating, androgynous red lion beast (symbolic of Satan) and a purple (color of royalty) bat on her head .......



Salvador Dali turned Shirley Temple, the world's symbol of childhood innocence, into an evil monster on the beach near a shipwreck. The skulls and bones appear to be those of a tiny child or infant. The "technicolor" box style looks like the motif of the MMT closing color list of credits, that rolls horizontally on the screen.

If Shirley Temple was killed and replaced in 1943, I'd guess that Salvador Dali had a hand in it (see the Shirley Temple thread in the Celebrity Replacements sub-forum).

What was Salvador Dali's relationship with fellow emigre New York City artist Yoko Ono?


In this hidden Sgt. Pepper picture, the yellow curling "feet"/Shakespearean collar are formed of the hair of the black-veiled Shirley Temple face that is looking over the shoulder of the wax figure pre-replacement Beatles. The red devil has a face that resembles Vincent Price, or Charles Manson or even Salvador Dali:

[beatlies]

"Speaking of the vitality of the American people, Dali gave the following explanation in a taped interview in the summer of 1966: "What the American people like best is: first, blood - you have seen all the great American movies, especially the historical ones; there are always scenes where the hero is beaten in the most sadistic way in the world and where one witnesses veritable orgies of blood! Second, Americans like soft watches. Why? Because they are always looking at their watches. They are always in a hurry, terribly pressed for time, and their watches are horribly rigid, hard, and mechanical. Therefore, the day when Dali painted for the first time a soft watch, this was a great success! Because for once this awful object, which marked minute by minute the ineluctable sequence of their lives and reminded them of their urgent business, all of a sudden had become as soft as Camembert cheese when it is at its best, when it starts to run. Next, the greatest passion of the American people is when they see little children killed. Why? Because, according to the greatest psychologists in the United States, the massacre of the innocents is the favorite theme, the one which is found in the innermost depths of their subconscious minds, since they are constantly annoyed by children, so that their libido projects itself filling the cosmic surfaces of their dreams. If Americans adore bloody orgies and the slaughter of the innocents and soft watches which run like real French Camembert when it is just right, it is because what they love most in the world are 'dot,' or bits of data, those information bits that symbolize the discontinuity of matter. It is for that reason that all today's Pop art is made up of information 'dots.'" "


The Poetry of America Salvador Dali (1943)
"He shoot Coca-Cola"



"eggman" and "spinal cracker" also visible

[il ras]

In these two pics I see three people (Beatles?) not four.







In the second one I see something that seems a grave too...

Any comment?

[JoJo]

plasticpaul said:

Peter Blake wasn't it? Though I reckon Faul hat a lot to do with it and actually put in more than his "role" was worth, as it were, I think he was a very lucky boy around Sgt. Pepper time...

Someone gets forgotten here, and that's Blake's former wife, Jann Haworth:

arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,11710,1233293,00.html

Jann Haworth
Nowadays she is mentioned, if at all, as the former wife of Peter Blake. But Jann Haworth was jointly responsible for the Sergeant Pepper album cover. 'If there's a couple involved in something, it's bound to be the guy who did it,' she says now. 'I've even had my own brain doing it. But I have a very clear memory of the thought processes and conversations, and I know the parts, the 50 per cent, that I was responsible for.'

She also designed the cloth grandmother figure and the cloth figure of Shirley Temple.

[JoJo]

ilras said:

In these two pics I see three people (Beatles?) not four.



In the second one I see something that seems a grave too...

Any comment?

Could be, re: the grave.

Also the top one looks like there is a "sargeant" figure (or face) in between the second and third indistinct figures?

[mommybird]

ilras, where did you get those sketches ? Could you please give us some background on them ?

[il ras]

mommybird said:

ilras, where did you get those sketches ? Could you please give us some background on them ?

From the post JoJo made in this thread (page 2) ;D

[mommybird]

Oh, ok. That's what I get for not reading the whole thread !

[il ras]

Dont' worry

[jarvitronics]

Terry Southern, (#20), is partially responsible for the fame of William Burroughs, (#26). It was Southern who helped convinced Maurice Girodias to publish the then-unknown Burroughs' Naked Lunch.

Aubrey Beardsley, (#16), did illustrations for Oscar Wilde's (#41) play, Salome.

Dylan Thoms, (#19), wrote the radio and stage play Under Milkwood. The film version of Under Milkwood starred Peter O'Toole (#53, posing as T. E. Lawrence, from the film Lawrence of Arabia), and Victor Spinetti (Sgt Spinetti from MMT, also appeared in Hard Days Night and HELP!, as well as co-authoring Lennon's In His Own Write).

-j

[beatlies]

jarvitronics said:

Terry Southern, (#20), is partially responsible for the fame of William Burroughs, (#26). It was Southern who helped convinced Maurice Girodias to publish the then-unknown Burroughs' Naked Lunch.

Aubrey Beardsley, (#16), did illustrations for Oscar Wilde's (#41) play, Salome.

Dylan Thoms, (#19), wrote the radio and stage play Under Milkwood. The film version of Under Milkwood starred Peter O'Toole (#53, posing as T. E. Lawrence, from the film Lawrence of Arabia), and Victor Spinetti (Sgt Spinetti from MMT, also appeared in Hard Days Night and HELP!, as well as co-authoring Lennon's In His Own Write).

-j

Terry Southern, (#20), is partially responsible for the fame of William Burroughs, (#26). It was Southern who helped convinced Maurice Girodias to publish the then-unknown Burroughs' Naked Lunch.

This is valuable information. I feel certain that millionaire Harvard blueblood/Harvard medical student Burroughs was in the CIA.

[jarvitronics]

beatlies said:

Terry Southern, (#20), is partially responsible for the fame of William Burroughs, (#26). It was Southern who helped convinced Maurice Girodias to publish the then-unknown Burroughs' Naked Lunch.

This is valuable information. I feel certain that millionaire Harvard blueblood/Harvard medical student Burroughs was in the CIA.

Do you have some information on this Burroughs/CIA connection you would like to share?

-j

[beatlies]

jarvitronics said:

beatlies said:

Terry Southern, (#20), is partially responsible for the fame of William Burroughs, (#26). It was Southern who helped convinced Maurice Girodias to publish the then-unknown Burroughs' Naked Lunch.

This is valuable information. I feel certain that millionaire Harvard blueblood/Harvard medical student Burroughs was in the CIA.

Do you have some information on this Burroughs/CIA connection you would like to share?

-j

Nothing specific right now, but to take one example, this is strongly hinted at in the movie of Naked Lunch with Peter Weller. Burroughs was a big "literary" promoter of heroin/drug addiction glamor and chic.