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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 23, 2007 23:41:41 GMT -5
What's up with Ringo? The Beatles live in obscurity and then Ringo joins and POOF!!! World famous.
The guy's stage name literally means pentacle, (a star inside of a circle). His birth name, Starkey, break into star key. The key to stardom?
Ringo is the one with the sergeant stripes on Pepper.
Ringo is the only one wearing a flat-topped hat on Pepper. He is the oldest Beatle. "Here come old flat top?"
On Sgt Pepper, the color of every Beatle's suit except Ringo's is matched by something else in the picture. John and Paul are both matched in color by Dietrich. George's orange is matched by the stripes on the hat of the wax hairdresser's dummy (by Bob Dylan). Only Ringo's pink stands alone.
He is holding a trumpet. Does this signify that he holds the trump card in The Bealtes?
Ringo always seems to be the one least in charge, the least opinionated, the one nobody scrutinizes.
Ever see "The Usual Suspects?"
-j
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jun 24, 2007 0:23:18 GMT -5
It would seem there is something strange with Ringo... But if he's so special, how come he lost his recording contract in 1981, and had all kinds of financial troubles throughout the 80's?
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 24, 2007 0:42:34 GMT -5
It would seem there is something strange with Ringo... But if he's so special, how come he lost his recording contract in 1981, and had all kinds of financial troubles throughout the 80's? Good points. I am afraid I have no answers, only observations. -j |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jun 24, 2007 2:07:33 GMT -5
It would seem there is something strange with Ringo... But if he's so special, how come he lost his recording contract in 1981, and had all kinds of financial troubles throughout the 80's? Well, the same could be said about Donald Trump in the eighties. If memory serves me well he was on the verge of bankruptcy in that decade. It doesn't diminish his "power". |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 2, 2007 0:21:16 GMT -5
Funny. Sir Paul and Ringo joked about this very subject this on the Larry King show. King started it by saying how the Beatles wer basically nothing until Ringo joined. Ringo agreed.
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Post by mommybird on Jul 2, 2007 10:06:43 GMT -5
I agree with Jarvitronics. I personally believe that Ringo was a "plant".
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 2, 2007 20:52:27 GMT -5
I agree with Jarvitronics. I personally believe that Ringo was a "plant". I don't agree with this at all, yet I know that it's the same reaction that most people would have with PWR/PID so............. Damn it, so confusing! |
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Post by Valis on Jul 2, 2007 21:09:32 GMT -5
if Ringo was a plant he probably didn't know it himself.
Don't overestimate the mental capacities of most people
I mean, like everybody, I think I'm reasonably intelligent.
And it's still hard enough to play Jan and Valis, although I do nothing to get people into the illusion those are 2 seperate persons.
Keeping up appearances is hard work.
1,2,3,4
All Love Jan
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 2, 2007 22:28:12 GMT -5
I agree with Jarvitronics. I personally believe that Ringo was a "plant". Lest I be misunderstood - I did not say I BELIEVE Ringo is a plant. I just made some off-the-cuff observations about him. But I do WONDER if he was a plant. -j |
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Post by mommybird on Jul 3, 2007 11:42:18 GMT -5
I didn't mean for it to sound like you said that. That is why I wrote that I personally believe that Ringo was a plant.  ;D I would've loved to have had the opportunity to see the boys perform with Pete Best as drummer.  |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 4, 2007 16:04:38 GMT -5
This has been discussed on other threads. But I'm a firm believer Ringo was deliberately placed into the group. First of all, if memory serves me right, I thought the story went that Pete Best was a better drummer, and more popular with the females. Paul and John were jealous of the attention he got. But because of personality conflicts he was canned and along came Ritchie... Secondly, during early recordings of the Beatles, there were stand in drummers. The story went that it was due to Ringo's illnesses. But could it be that they were to enhance the drumming. If you notice early footage of their live performances, Ringo's drumming was laughable. Third point, the films have Ringo as the Star. In AHDN he was the one who was in scenes solo. As if his point of view of fame was important that he had to break away to have time in the film where the other members of the group were absent. Help- Ringo the "Starr" of the film because he is the one wearing the sacrificial "ring". He was in the spotlight, not the others, they seemed like accompanying characters. MMT Ringo and His aunt Jessie were the most filmed characters. Ringo starred in other films...like this guy can really act? Like Caveman? That wasn't funny, that was pathetic! He was NOT the best drummer, he was NOT good looking, he CANNOT sing... Why was he in a band with such talented musicians as the others...  ? While on Larry King, why did he have to wear those shades? Like he was hiding his eyes for some reason.... The more I think about it, the more I realize Ringo's contributions to the band did not even compare to what the others had. And he's so special?? |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 4, 2007 17:33:54 GMT -5
This has been discussed on other threads. But I'm a firm believer Ringo was deliberately placed into the group. <snip> And he's so special?? Lots of really good observations and question there. One thing Ringo has going for his drumming is that he has a rock-solid sense of time. If he starts out drumming at N beats per minute, at the end of the song, he will still be going precisely N beats per minute. Lots of drummers have a tendency to speed up or slow down a bit during the course of a song. Ringo is like a clock. That had to have made George Martin's job a lot easier when it came time to splice takes together. -j |
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Post by mommybird on Jul 4, 2007 20:13:31 GMT -5
Good observations, Rita. I'm not a musician. Thank you for pointing that out, Jarv. ;D
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 5, 2007 0:52:12 GMT -5
Lennon was once asked if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in rock. His response was that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in The Beatles. Heh.
But to Ringo's credit -- how can I say this -- without Ringo it just isn't The Beatles, you know what I mean?
He is left-handed, but he drums on a right-handed kit, so his tendency to lead with his left hand creates a unique style that plays heavy on the high-hat, with a little less balance on snare, whereas that would be reversed with a "normal" drummer.
Just about every other drummer in rock can smoke Ringo on chops and power, but there is something about his drumming that makes it "work" with The Beatles.
Try putting John Bonham or Carl Palmer or Ginger Baker or Charlie Watts behind them and it just won't work...
-j
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 5, 2007 6:42:42 GMT -5
He was NOT the best drummer, he was NOT good looking, he CANNOT sing... Why was he in a band with such talented musicians as the others... ? While on Larry King, why did he have to wear those shades? Like he was hiding his eyes for some reason.... The more I think about it, the more I realize Ringo's contributions to the band did not even compare to what the others had. And he's so special?? Chemistry, his drumming is unique and his style had a big impact on the Beatles' sound. Also I think you're comments on his looks have no bearing on the argument. Maybe they were told to kick out Best because of his ethnicity? You never know. |
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 5, 2007 8:12:54 GMT -5
On the Corporation for Public Broadcasting TV show "Best of the Beatles", the guy who insisted
that Pete Best be replaced concedes that maybe he owed him an apology. He was a record company
executive who fancied himself a good drummer, and he was upset that Pete couldn't play
a riff that he could, so he insisted that Best be replaced.
The Beatles wanted the recording contract, so they complied.
The guy came across as a real a**hole. It wasn't George Martin.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jul 5, 2007 11:54:30 GMT -5
Plastic Paul, what do you mean "kick out Best because of his ethnicity"?
Also, I heard they needed Ringo for appeal in America, since he was the less proper, more down to earth... less British guy.
It's just further evidence that the Beatles were not a natural thing, they were "invented", molded and marketed just like any other product, and I think that's why John came to hate the Beatles during his later days.
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Post by That Latvian Guy on Jul 5, 2007 14:28:55 GMT -5
Plastic Paul, what do you mean "kick out Best because of his ethnicity"? Best was born in Madras, India. But at the time of his birth, India was still a colony of the United Kingdom. |
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 6, 2007 4:33:03 GMT -5
Plastic Paul, what do you mean "kick out Best because of his ethnicity"? Best was born in Madras, India. But at the time of his birth, India was still a colony of the United Kingdom. Yeah, I meant it in terms of there could be any number of reasons why they replaced him, not everything has to be a conspiracy. |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 6, 2007 18:40:52 GMT -5
This has been discussed on other threads. But I'm a firm believer Ringo was deliberately placed into the group. First of all, if memory serves me right, I thought the story went that Pete Best was a better drummer, and more popular with the females. Paul and John were jealous of the attention he got. But because of personality conflicts he was canned and along came Ritchie... Secondly, during early recordings of the Beatles, there were stand in drummers. The story went that it was due to Ringo's illnesses. But could it be that they were to enhance the drumming. If you notice early footage of their live performances, Ringo's drumming was laughable. Third point, the films have Ringo as the Star. In AHDN he was the one who was in scenes solo. As if his point of view of fame was important that he had to break away to have time in the film where the other members of the group were absent. Help- Ringo the "Starr" of the film because he is the one wearing the sacrificial "ring". He was in the spotlight, not the others, they seemed like accompanying characters. MMT Ringo and His aunt Jessie were the most filmed characters. Ringo starred in other films...like this guy can really act? Like Caveman? That wasn't funny, that was pathetic! He was NOT the best drummer, he was NOT good looking, he CANNOT sing... Why was he in a band with such talented musicians as the others... ? While on Larry King, why did he have to wear those shades? Like he was hiding his eyes for some reason.... The more I think about it, the more I realize Ringo's contributions to the band did not even compare to what the others had. And he's so special?? I've been thinking more about your post LR. I already pointed out how there is "something" about his drumming that is irreplaceable for The Beatles sound. That aside, you make a whole list of very good points. I posted this elsewhere but it seems more relevant to this thread: Revolution 1 Revolution 9 Revelation? Revelation 9:1: The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.A FIFTH angel? (A fifth Beatle?) Sounded his TRUMPET? (Ringo has the trumpet on Pepper.) A star(r) fallen from the sky to Earth? (There is a fallen star(r) on Sgt Pepper, lower left. Who was in the sky? Lucy was.) The STAR was given the KEY? (STARKEY!) The shaft of the Abyss? (Abbey? road) A shaft can be a tunnel or a beam of light, but it can also mean SOMEBODY GOT SCREWED. -j |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 6, 2007 19:16:47 GMT -5
Jarv... very good points....it all makes for interesting read.
Ringo would be their star key....
Don't know much about drumming and those were interesting things I didn't know.
But he's definitely a plant in the group.
And when you think about their "polished image" that Brian was given credit for creating, it was a molded or created group. Because that wasn't the image they presented before.
Which makes me ask this question, perhaps it should be given a thread of it's own.
But what IF they marketed the Beatles as the "bad boys" rather than the groomed Fab Four...
I wonder what impact they would have had had they been able to keep their rough rock and roll image rather than the lovable mop tops?
They wouldn't have had the cover of Teeny Bop magazines, but would their music have still been considered "genius"?
It's hard to post this type of thing. Like asking if Shirley Temple would have been good as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, or Paulette Goddard as Scarlet o Hara...
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Post by gar on Jul 20, 2007 11:03:42 GMT -5
But to Ringo's credit -- how can I say this -- without Ringo it just isn't The Beatles, you know what I mean? Today I read an interview with George about the time when The Beatles toured with Jimmy Nicol instead of Ringo in 1964. George says: "I was dead set against carrying on without Ringo. Imagine, The Beatles without RIngo Starr! Anyway, I bowed to the pressure and off we went, but I was none too pleased, even though Jimmy was actually quite a lovely guy."This is from the Q - Band Of The Century special from about 10 years ago. Elsewhere in the special they interview Ringo and he refers to The Beatles as 'they', claiming "So much disctance has gone down from those days. I thought (of Free As A Bird) 'Sounds like them!' But you know, of course it did because we were on it!" |
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 23, 2007 16:46:37 GMT -5
I didn't know Pete Best was of Indian heritage....
But Ringo "looks" more ethnic....of what ethnicity, can't say. Just looks like it.
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Post by mommybird on Aug 8, 2007 8:37:04 GMT -5
I had a dream about Ringo right before I woke up this morning. I don't believe I've ever dreamt about him before. He was storing some of his stuff in the closet in my bedroom. It was rather disorderly & dusty, so I was cleaning it up for him. He started digging through it. He said that he was looking for something. He described it to me, but I forget now what he said. I offered to keep his stuff stored there for him, but he told me that he had to take it with him. He looked about the same as he did around 1964/65. There was a buffet table behind us & Ringo complained that some young man was taking all of the rolls. They looked like Danish or donuts to me, so I thought that was rather odd The young man was not part of our entourage. Next, we were sitting at the table. Ringo stated that he really loved my "mammys". In my mind I thought that he meant my "mothers". I only have one mom. It then cut to my back door. There was a blanket over where it should be, & when I pushed it aside, the door was gone. There was a screen door instead. Then I woke up. Talk about weird... I often dream that there is something wrong with my backdoor. It's accompanied by a feeling of ominousness. This time was no different... ***** On thinking about the term "mammys" I came to realize that he might've meant my boobs. Is that a term used for boobs in Great Britain ;D |
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Post by fourthousandholes on Aug 8, 2007 10:20:13 GMT -5
Maybe he was looking at that "second life" picture!  |
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