Your theory about what happened to Paul

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Sept 5, 2013 0:01:38 GMT -5 NothingIsReal1985 said:

My sincerest apologies for taking so long to get back here. A little more on why later.

There's a lot of dis-info agents around these parts. But TKIN (60if.proboards.com) & Doppelganger & Identity Research Society [doppels.proboards.com] has limited registration, wherein the mods & admins have to approve of your membership before you can start posting there (they're members-only message boards/forums). But here anyone can sign up, which makes it a breeding ground where dis-info agents [and those in denial about JPM being officially deceased since the latter part of '66] abound, unfortunately.

I, too agree that Faul (I think there could be two) is very likely older than JPM the man looks as though he's in his late 70's/early 80's. After all, clones don't age as well [e.g., Fohn Fennon(s) especially the one shortly before he died; he appeared to be 60 or 70 years old, yuck]. But more on that later.

If these two fellas here are the same guy [which I don't believe they are], then Faul very had only had a face-lift; after all, plastic/cosmetic surgery is more common than ever nowadays (not that I sanction it or anything) and he has money at his disposal to do things like that. It also depends upon when these separate photos were taken. (see doppels.proboards.com/thread/322/twin-fauls)

But then again, the ears are different -- which is a/the red herring -- and one is more aged, rugged & haggard-looking than the other.

Since I'm rather hungry -- not to mention it's pretty late -- I'll comment on Linda(s), JPM vs. Faul McFalsie(s) and John Lennon vs. Fohn Fennon(s) later on, along with images & links containing conspicuous evidence, as well as backing up & supporting my claims, along with your above comment. Peace.

By "dis-info agents" I assume you mean anyone that doesn't buy into exactly the same theories as you?

I await your theories with baited breath, but, please realise that the reason that nobody posts on TKIN anymore is because Sun King and his brain dead 60if document have been totally discredited. The reason I post in this forum is because there are still a few users who wish to debate and discuss the PID myth and what it really may mean.

As I have said elsewhere, all we know for certain is that the Beatles, and their chief propagandist Neil Aspinall, wanted us to believe a false history. Everything else is still a matter of debate.

[Jai Guru Deva]

Do you people even know what a "myth" is?

The Cambridge dictionary defines a myth as:

A) literature a traditional story, esp. one which explains the early history or a cultural belief or practice of a group of people, or explains a natural event

B) A myth is also a commonly believed but false idea

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If you are saying that it is a myth that Paul McCartney is dead, then the truth is he must then be alive. Now, I have not seen or heard anything Paul McCartney since the fall of 1966, but I want you to give me undeniable, absolute, concrete proof that Paul McCartney is still alive? Not just replaced with another person(s), but alive and kicking in. I want to see definite, unquestionable photos and videos, and I want to hear authentic audio evidence with the proper dating and scientific analysis.

I also want to see absolute proof you have that the "false story" is about Paul being dead. I want to see original, unaltered documentation that shows that death clues were intentionally planted for purpose of redirecting away from the supposed real reason which was mind control and social engineering. I want to see documentation and quotes supporting your view from the Tavistock Institute, and written or oral testimony from key figures who were supposedly involved from the inside--agents, directors, producers, writers, aristocrats, politician, etc. I want you to include endnotes and footnotes--cite your sources.

[NothingIsReal1985]

Sept 5, 2013 15:56:49 GMT -5 beacon said:

By "dis-info agents" I assume you mean anyone that doesn't buy into exactly the same theories as you?

I await your theories with baited breath, but, please realise that the reason that nobody posts on TKIN anymore is because Sun King and his brain dead 60if document have been totally discredited. The reason I post in this forum is because there are still a few users who wish to debate and discuss the PID myth and what it really may mean.

As I have said elsewhere, all we know for certain is that the Beatles, and their chief propagandist Neil Aspinall, wanted us to believe a false history. Everything else is still a matter of debate.

It's not that I'm mocking & making fun of anyone that disagrees with me on the PID conspiracy theory or should I say conspiracy reality; I accept that not everyone is gonna believe the truth, whether it concerns the Bible, or this PID business in particular. It matters NOT what you &/or I think (or has an opinion) about how things are [or should be] in life, but it only matter what the truth is... and I happen to KNOW what the truth is, although I don't know all of the gory details, but that's beside the point; only the basics are known [to those of us who are already aware & believe the PID situation], the main details that are vital to this story. Like a saying that I heard on Miracle on 33rd Street movie years ago, "Which is better: a lie that draws a smile, or the truth that brings a tear?"

That said, the truth either offends, angers, gets on the defense &/or saddens many people, b/c they do NOT like to consider even the smallest possibility that that the things and people they've always held to be true, the beliefs that they've held dear for a long time -- perhaps all their lives -- could be a lie (or even a white lie or half-truth, whether exaggerated or understated), and a devastating one at that. On top of that many people -- or I should say most folks, b/c it's a part of our naturally-occurring, selfish sinful human nature -- do NOT like to be wrong. I ought to know, b/c I've been down that road myself, and know others (personally) who are the same way.

I've been there myself, b/c at one time (in the Faul *cough, ahem* Fall of 2010, almost 3 years ago) I was a PIA-er myself, since I first discovered what the awful truth possibly, just possibly could be. For a while I was even in denial, having a complex about anything PID-related, whether mentioned or seen online (vis-à-vis the Internet), ready to deride &/or cuss anyone out who contradicted my views one this, even defending Faul McFalsie's deceptive honor. But recently I got a revelation from God Hisself that this is true, that is, JPM being deceased since 1966. Since I know deep down in my very soul that this is the truth, that it's come from God Hisself, nothing else will do, and I thank & praise Him everyday for it.

And it's like this: normally people don't realize the shortcoming(s) of their situation(s) until they get in a better one. To better clarify, when you've eaten nutrient-deficient, non-filling slop all of your life and finally get to eat some food that's nutritious, satisfying and (last, but definitely NOT least) very tasty, then you won't want to go back to eating that nasty slop anymore. On top of that when God has finally sent you the right person -- after being with a nasty, abusive, unfaithful, selfish person for a long time -- to fall in love with, marry & (sometimes to have children grow old with) spend the rest of your life with and you get that revelation [and a sign] from Him deep within your very soul that it's your soul-mate, then you'll forsake all others, if you know what I mean. But before that time you thought you were doing pretty good when that was NOT the case at all. This pretty much sums up how I feel about this PID situation. It's NOT that I'm rejoicing on what happened to JPM way back there [for it was, and still IS very tragic in more ways than one], but I believe that it happened for a reason and that it's actually -- to ME, at least -- a blessing in disguise that Paul died that long ago. But I'll elaborate more later on.

I reckon that many others -- yourself notwithstanding -- haven't come to that point your life yet, like I have. But don't worry, I won't force this PID stuff on you; some people discover truth sooner than others, and others... well later rather than sooner. It's different for everyone, for each individual's circumstance(s) is/are different. Your time will come... whenever THAT is, but it's headed your way.

As for me... since I've gone through some trials & tribulations (and being strengthened b/c of them) since that time God finally decided that I was strong -- and wise -- enough to handle the REAL truth (however ugly it was/is) about what happened to JPM all those years ago, and how it relates to Faul McFalsie deceiving the general public [especially his fans] about his TRUE identity & the fact that he sneakily, underhandedly, single-handedly & dishonestly took JPM's place, assuming, stealing and hijacking his identity all those years ago, and still maintains the façade to this very day, unfortunately. Not only was JPM's murder (that's right, I said it, and without apologies of any kind, b/c truth needs no apology) -- and the details of it -- covered up an impostor-replacement was put into place that most of the sheeple masses still don't know about to this very day. It must truly suck to be Faul... living a lie. All of that stress of pretending to be someone else must have taken its toll over the years, and if it hasn't already it will some time in the future, b/c God DON'T like ugly, as we like to say down here in the South.

Bottom line? I don't expect everyone to see eye-to-eye -- or even agree with -- this PID stuff. But all I know is what the truth is and b/c of it I can no longer swallow, much less digest anymore falsehood(s) about this; I just can't. Couldn't go back to believing a lie about JPM being alive, even if I wanted to (not that I WOULD, or EVER want to, anyhow; see 4th paragraph as to why). I just CAN'T & WON'T be fed deception.

As the very true epitaph goes, "A lie is STILL a lie if everyone believes it to be truth, and the truth is STILL the truth, it mattering NOT whether or not everyone believes it to be a lie". On top of that -- as an old African proverb goes -- "If one believes [the truth], then no proof is required; but it one does NOT believe, then no amount of evidence will be enough".

God already read my mind, knew what I had need of, answered my prayer without me even asking Him [regarding this PID mess], I found what I've been searching for (the truth about JPM's homicide, which came to me when I least expected it, but I was ready for the truth of what has taken place); since I'm sure in what I believe [to be the truth] and happen to be secure in those beliefs I feel no need to cram/shove them down anyone else's throat(s); I can only hope to attract, discuss [deeply] & relate to others who feel the same way I do.

So there, I said it, so you can run & tell THAT. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it for a while, 'cause I refuse to waste anymore time trying to convince you or anyone else that anything PID-related is real... and the dirty, rotten, stinking truth in regards to it. B/c when it boils down to it at the end of the day, when it's all said and done & the rubber meets the road unbelievers will NOT believe (that's why they're called nonbelievers), even if the WHOLE truth and NOTHING BUT it staring them right in their face. People like this are as stubborn, full of pride, fickle, mule-like & pigheaded as can be and just won't change (whether it's their opinions, attitudes, worldviews, actions, habits, lifestyles, characters, etc.) no matter what comes &/or goes. So what's the point?

I've accepted that they won't believe the truth (going through life tiptoeing through rose gardens, drinking rosewater & wearing rose-tinted glasses, mistakenly thinking all is well when it is very well NOT) and will only spend my time talking to & communicating with those who believe the truth, b/c they're easier to deal with & relate to; on top of that I know I won't be wasting my time, b/c they are [and me, included] are more open-minded and willing to learn new things, no matter how unpleasant the truth can sometimes be, but that's [many times] a fact of life. As the Good Book says... neither will they be persuaded, so don't cast your pearls before the swine, so that's a good reason to be NOT yoked together with unbelievers (emphasis coming from the Bible, as well as yours truly, lol).

P.S.: I don't know what the hell a/that 60if document is, nor what it entails, nor do I care; never heard of it. I just liked the forum/message board and found it to be interesting [especially in regards to clones, doubles, and the PID material(s)], which is why it caught my eye in the first place. On top of that there is NO such thing is Relativism; there's either the truth, or the lie.

Didn't mean to be so long, but had to make a point & get it across. Thanks for listening.

[NothingIsReal1985]

Sept 6, 2013 17:29:11 GMT -5 Jai Guru Deva said:

Do you people even know what a "myth" is?

The Cambridge dictionary defines a myth as:

A) literature a traditional story, esp. one which explains the early history or a cultural belief or practice of a group of people, or explains a natural event

B) A myth is also a commonly believed but false idea

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If you are saying that it is a myth that Paul McCartney is dead, then the truth is he must then be alive. Now, I have not seen or heard anything Paul McCartney since the fall of 1966, but I want you to give me undeniable, absolute, concrete proof that Paul McCartney is still alive? Not just replaced with another person(s), but alive and kicking in. I want to see definite, unquestionable photos and videos, and I want to hear authentic audio evidence with the proper dating and scientific analysis.

I also want to see absolute proof you have that the "false story" is about Paul being dead. I want to see original, unaltered documentation that shows that death clues were intentionally planted for purpose of redirecting away from the supposed real reason which was mind control and social engineering. I want to see documentation and quotes supporting your view from the Tavistock Institute, and written or oral testimony from key figures who were supposedly involved from the inside--agents, directors, producers, writers, aristocrats, politician, etc. I want you to include endnotes and footnotes--cite your sources.

I agree on your assessment. That's why -- for a long time -- I didn't bother checking in with nor researching whether or not JPM REALLY being dead and replaced by someone else, an impostor, because I knew (all of this time [since the Faul *cough, ahem* Fall of 2010], until two weeks ago, of course) deep down inside that it was the truth. When I first found out the possibility I complained to a friend -- who not only believes much of that jazz (nonsense) the Illuminati-controlled mass media pumps out, grew up in a less stable home than I did, doesn't have as deep a [realistic] worldview as I do, doesn't see eye-to-eye with me on many things, and is slightly naïve, although she's slightly less than 2 years older than me, but still love her in spite of it -- who said (to the effect of) that there's no such thing as somebody getting 'replaced'. But I always felt (in my subconscious) that it was otherwise and now know why. It's all a matter of putting two and two together, but I wasn't strong, mature or knowledgeable enough then to handle it [the ugly, naked TRUTH, that is]. 

I (strongly) believe that this cloning & replacement [with other look-alike individuals] has not only happened to JPM, but to other celebrities as well, such as:

Michael Jackson (for many reasons, some rather obvious to those with an open mind; multiple clones &/or doubles) 
Eddie Murphy (in '89 or '90 for obvious reasons)
The Beatles (well, the rest of them John, JPM, George & Ringo as well, as CherilynZennah7 pointed out earlier on this page) John Travolta
Courtney Love
Kim Kardashian (outta ALL of her siblings she's changed the MOST physically; there's just something different about her now than 10 years ago)
Megan Fox
Sheryl Crow
Eminem (AKA, Marshall Mathers)
Mick Jagger
Bret Michaels
Ice-T
Judy Garland (her voice changed/deepened a lot as she got older; this isn't normal, not even with males)
Bob Dylan (AKA Robert Zimmerman)
Tara Browne
Eric Clapton
Brian Epstein
Beyoncé (I can tell she either has clones on the side, or has been replaced by a clone altogether)
Jay-Z
Rod Stewart
David Bowie
Sting
Sylvester Stallone
Mickey Rourke
Amy Winehouse
Josh Groban
Hanson

And (possibly):

Mariah Carey (she's changed SO much over the years, whether it was her face, nose, singing voice, body, hips, weight, shape, personality, etc., and some of that stuff can't just be contributed to plastic surgery or acting coaches or whatever)
Avril Lavigne (why is it that a girl/young woman that's pushing 30 still looks like she's half that age? The entertainment industry is obsessed with youth and want to not only stay forever young, but has pedophile tendencies, as well, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she was cloned & replaced at one point or another)
Christina Aguilera (no comment, lol)
Jennifer Lopez (she looks young for being 44 years old, too, which is a red flag to/for me)
Gwen Stefani (she's the same age as J.Lo, only months apart, but still looks like she's in her late 20's/early 30's)
Britney Spears
Marilyn Monroe
Angelina Jolie
Cher
Elvis Presley
Whitney Houston
Jessica Simpson

..and many others.

Some of these people haven't been killed & replaced (whether by clones or another individual that looks almost identical to them) altogether, but just have these people on the side to meet the rigorous schedules [concerning various gigs like live concerts, writing, composing, producing & recording songs, doing movies, interviews, television & talk show appearances, autograph signings, photo shoots/sessions (whether for magazines, advertisements, posters, editorials, articles, or just publicity &/or promos), touring the U.S. & the world, etc.] their contracts require, that they have to meet. It makes sense because with the amount of work that has to be done in the entertainment business... well, it would either put a person in the hospital, or the grave, b/c I just don't understand how it can be done by one person, PERIOD. Moreover Hollyweird/Trashy Tinseltown is a pretty scandalous, dishonest, greedy & nasty place, so this wouldn't surprise me in the LEAST.

And then there's the OCCULT (which is the main) aspect of cloning &/or replacing individuals in politics, sports, the entertainment industry as a whole, and other upper echelons of society. Unless the occult(ic), supernatural part is taken into consideration, then the the cloning &/or replacement of human beings (in mainly the entertainment industry, whether it be television, stage, movies or music -- will NOT make much sense.

With that said... I believe that there are supernatural, occult factors involved in JPM's murder & subsequent replacement, one of them being a ritual blood sacrifice, which only scratches the surface of the whens, hows, wheres & whys of him being rubbed out at the tender age of 24, like James Dean was approximately 11 years earlier [BTW, the 30th of each month is a signficant date of sacrifice on the occult(ic) calender, because Robert Kardashian (Sr.) died on that same date 48 years later, and BAM! those sleazy Kardashians(-Jenners) had their own show aired on the E! Network 5 years [and 2 weeks] later and have crazily & constantly promoted, pushed & shoved in our faces relentlessly since then. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sounds quite suspicious to me].

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Moving on, as for JPM... I've spent a lot of time reviewing pictures, articles, fans' P.O.V.s, videos, blogs, websites, forums/message boards & evidence, etc. and so far a lot more of the evidence -- which is concrete, to say the least -- points to JPM long since (1966, to be exact/precise) being as dead as a door-nail than him still being alive and kicking to this day. Not only that, it makes perfect sense to me, and confirms/solidifies what my gut/subconscious has been telling me for almost 3 years now. I always knew something wasn't quite right/didn't add up about Faul McFalsie anyway, and now I know what it is, and it all fits together like the pieces of a jigsaw do to form a particular image. I just didn't (and couldn't/wouldn't) see the truth until recently. Everyone else can believe what they like, but mama didn't raise no FOOL (as we like to say down here in the South), and I wasn't born yesterday, you know. I'm not stupid, and happen to see right through [as crystal-clear as can be] this nutty, phony idiot that most still think is really JPM, when just the opposite is the case, b/c this moron Faul is pretending to be someone he is clearly NOT.

[NothingIsReal1985]

Sept 5, 2013 13:07:16 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

Hello again: I am beginning to see 2 Johns starting from around 1965/66; was that Ralph Ellis of the Swinging Blue Jeans who left that group in early 1966 stating "musical differences" and disappeared from the music scene or any other scene it would appear.

Hello to you, too.

Geez, where do I start? If you want to know a little (more) about John's clone & replacement(s) [that includes photos for comparison], then go here: (www.whale.to/b/lennon_h.html) It also contains a few other (useful) links, as well.

Yeah, going back to that thread (3rd page, where someone posted over at the 60if forum/message board just today) I see who & what you're talking about (see source, John Lennon's Official Double, Page 3)

I totally agree with what your assessment about Ralph Ellis; didn't know that, so I've learned something new from you.

That Ralph Ellis fella shares similar features [like the jawline, neck, eyebrows, thin lips, almond-shaped eyes & facial bone structure] as the REAL John Lennon (although he's not NEARLY as handsome as our John was, lol). So therefore the aforementioned would make him (one of the) an ideal candidate(s) to replace John Lennon, likely being chosen by TPTB (the powers that be, or the Illuminati, global elite, Freemasons, world banking cartel, etc.). RE is also dressed more like John Lennon (on the left), so I reckon becoming a (his favorite) Beatle was a dream come true, more or less, IDRK.

The Adam's apple looks more like the Fohn on the right than the genuine John on the left. Not only that, it also looks as though not only did he have his ears modified (thru cosmetic surgery) to look more like the original John, but the way his nose looks -- and I've seen this MANY times -- is telling of a rhinoplasty (nose job) to look (more like) similar to our one & only John's. His nose has that unnatural look, as if it has been cut on, like part of the cartilage has been carved away. His honker also has that pulverized look that many have who have had nose jobs have. Moreover the fella on the right looks more like Ralph Ellis than John Lennon to me, and his nose doesn't look that much like the actual John's. Moreover I don't think that John was nutty enough (back in those days) to have gotten a nose job, or plastic surgery of any kind, as [physically] beautiful and perfect as he was then.

If what is said about Ralph Ellis [not being seen or heard from, as far as anyone knows of, in 1966] is true -- which I believe it is, because it makes perfect sense -- then it is very likely that he was (one of the multiple doubles, like Michael Jackson had after he [officially] died back in early '84) chosen to take the real JL's place. In other words, the Ralph Ellis "died" and assumed -- like Faul -- the identity of someone else (probably including in a legal matter, as well, like changing the name, face, date of birth, social security number, etc.), which I often see in Hollywood movies and soap operas. This, too has happened in real life for a number of reasons we (both) already know about. And like Faul (to look more like JPM), he also had surgery to look more like John. I also believe that -- like JPM around the same time period back in '66 -- the genuine John Lennon was mysteriously murdered, too (I'll get into why I'm suspicious that's so at a more convenient time). 

A lot of things that are mysterious and truthful aren't reported in the Illuminati-controlled mainstream mass media; so I don't pay as much attention anymore, b/c I'm only gonna be told half-truths and lies. After all Lennon/McCartney were not only the lead vocalists & songwriters of The Beatles, but they were the leaders & front-men, so it makes sense (to me) that they would be ritually sacrificed at around the same time.

The very same thing happened to Michael Jackson (which I found out yesterday), but I'll discuss that at a later time. I'll also plan on going into the occult(ic) & supernatural aspect of clones & replacements of celebrities at another time.

Here's yet another picture proving (somewhat) that John likely disappeared too, like his soul-mate, JPM back in '66, and there are more difference(s) than just the nose. I'll explain -- so my post(s) won't be long enough to put in a book -- later on why I believe John was replaced in '66 [and MJ back in '84], too. Peace, and thanks for taking the time to hear me out.

[NothingIsReal1985]

Sept 5, 2013 13:07:16 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

Also Ringo as stated in my previous post (possibly from 1964); I think there have been 3 Pauls (one real JPM the other 2 fake) with other doubles for good measure too.
Cynthia Lennon was not allowed to attend John's funeral; was that because she might notice something amiss? Paul did not attend his father Jim's funeral (unlikely) as mentioned on previous posts.
Many anomalies....

I found that out last night -- from a blog that I love that has a lot of steaming, piping-hot iced tea posted on it, because the blogger does NOT mess around which is what I love about her; she's a force to be reckoned with, Lol -- that Ringo was replaced in 1964, as well. It's very possible that he had a clone or double or something, and was bumped off, too in either '65-66. I always knew he'd had a double or two, but it doesn't surprise me none the least that he was replaced (altogether) by an impostor or two.

Ringo (left) and Ringo's double (on the right), 1964


Faul McFalsie (left), Barbara Bach (middle) & her fake, bad-attitude husband Fingo Farr (right), who looks more like the fella on the right in the above photo, as you can plainly see. Birds of a feather flock together, and dogs (or should I say ravenous wolves) that run in packs got each other's backs. 'Nuff said.


More evidence/red flags/red herring(s)...



Fingo on the set of Help! in sitting on the stoop of Buckingham Palace in London, England with The Beatles (February or March of 1965). Paul is holding his fag in his left hand, too.

(source, www.whale.to/b/ringo_starr.html)

And you're right; the "Ringo Starr" of today doesn't really look like the Ringo of yesterday. I also hadn't considered the fact that it very much possible that NONE of our (original members of the) Beatles are alive today.

None of this dirty, rotten, nasty, stinking-hot mess surprises me, because I know how evil, wicked, filthy, greedy, unethical, perverted, dishonest, bizarre, weird, odd, strange, ironic, etc. this (sideshow freak circus) called the so-called 'entertainment industry' can be. If what you said is true -- which I frankly believe it is, seriously -- then in retrospect I'm finding out more each day the very depths the so-called "human" race can sink. I would know b/c some of them many LOOK human, but they're really NOT, but monsters instead they're lower than the animals, who have more sense than even THEY do.

You couldn't PAY me [all the riches, fame, fortune, pleasures, etc. in this world] to join up with the entertainment industry, nor would I DARE feed my own children (or offspring, young) to these people, and it wouldn't matter how talented, charming and charismatic I -- or they -- was], b/c you'll lose & destroy not only yourself (self-respect, morals, and even good looks) but your soul as well. Like the old Chinese proverb says, "A clear/clean conscience makes for a good pillow at night".

People are sicker (greedier, crazier, more insane, perverted, murderous & dishonest) than I originally thought, and it's getting worse everyday. I reckon -- like Michael Jackson and many others before him -- The Beatles were worth more DEAD than ALIVE. They weren't human to their handlers... just products & commodities that they could use for money (cha-CHING!!!), to promote their sick, immoral subversive agendas, and most likely, even for sexual purposes. After all, they [The Beatles, when they were at the top of their game] were VERY attractive, and I'm sure that many of those gross, ugly, sweaty, smelly greasy, fat, nasty, perverted, pot-bellied, pug-faced, bald-headed, dirty old rich men wouldn't have minded using these lads as sex toys or objects, to be passed around like a box of cigars, used and thrown away like yesterday's trash.

But when these guys wouldn't go along with the madness their handlers wanted them to, they just eliminated them and replaced them with (other clones? or replacements) who WOULD get with the(ir) program, and in more ways than one. But then again, who in their right mind WOULD?! I definitely wouldn't but by the time these fellas knew what they'd sold themselves away for it was too late to get out, they were in too deep. So it looks to me like The Beatles were used and thrown away, and STILL to this very day are used -- although they've long since left us -- as cash cows, or meal tickets for many, not just for profit, but to control & push certain agendas on the masses (Tavistock Institute, anyone?). After all, The Beatles were used as agents for change, picking up the cultural (and moral) paradigm shift in the 1960's where Elvis left off in the 1950's. Boy, what a bunch of sickening, mentally-ill sickos!

[NothingIsReal1985]

CherilynZennah7,

Cyn likely didn't go to Fohn Fennon's funeral, b/c 1) Yoko refused to invite her &/or 2) the man ["John Lennon"] whose funeral being held was NOT the man that Cyn had married & bore a son by, so therefore they were TOTAL strangers. Her actual sexy, gorgeous, curvaceous husband, John Lennon, had disappeared long before 1980. The same is VERY likely the case with Faul McFalsie (as to why he did NOT attend his "father's" funeral, as well as Brian Epstein's), too. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not too (peachy) keen on going to the funeral(s) of folks I don't really know [unless it was an invitation by a beloved friend &/or family member that I just couldn't wriggle out of, lol], nor would I dare even MISS the one of a near & dear close friend &/or loved one, and that includes dogs & cats (and other creatures), which I'm a huge fan of because they've been such a blessing to me over the years, LOL.

So I agree... there's holes in a LOT of these stories. It awfully strange that out of all of the books that have been written about The Beatles NONE of them explored the possibility of 1) John & JPM were lovers, having an actual affair and 2) ANY of the Fab Four getting "dealt with" and replaced with either (test tube) clones or other individuals wearing prosthetics, having plastic/cosmetic surgeries to look like the original Beatles in question. Remember what I said (in my previous post) about the mainstream mass media being tightly controlled by the Illuminati... these people -- the top powerful, wealthy 5% who have control over the other 95% of the world's affairs -- even have control over who makes the New York Times Bestsellers list, and you have to be a sellout to do that, is all I'll reveal for now.

Furthermore, many folks (throughout history) who have threatened or even hinted at writing, publishing & selling tell-all books have either been threatened with either lawsuits (therefore discouraging them to either write or release the book to the general public) or disappeared, died under "mysterious, suspicious" circumstances, or even murdered [in cold blood by someone unknown], most likely to keep them -- the author doing the exposé in the form of the tell-all book -- from blowing the whistle.

That's enough (of my) tea for today. Will be serving you more (to drink) later on, if you're thirsty for it, *heh-heh*.

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Sept 6, 2013 22:42:21 GMT -5 NothingIsReal1985 said:

CherilynZennah7,

Cyn likely didn't go to Fohn Fennon's funeral, b/c 1) Yoko refused to invite her &/or 2) the man ["John Lennon"] whose funeral being held was NOT the man that Cyn had married & bore a son by, LOL.
 

uh, fact check. There was no funereal.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_Lennon

[cherilyn7]

I fancy a cup of tea....lucy you should read Cynthia's book in which she states she was told if she went to the funeral Julian would not be allowed to attend. In fact, I go along with NothingisReal1985 that our beloved John had "disappeared" some years previous. Well he definitely underwent a personality change! Cynthia also stated that she was badly advised at the time of the divorce (which she did not want) and took a lump sum instead of alimony (maintenance in UK)...this ties in with if John had a replacement/disappeared/died....
NothingisReal1985 thankyou for your thoughts/theories; I think we know what a myth is and we are not talking about a myth here.

[cherilyn7]

Strange things started to happen very early on (looking back in hindsight) starting with the replacement of Pete Best. I think he was not prepared to be a "yes man" and his mother Mona Best was a businesswoman so they could do without the hassle. However, as Pete was an excellent drummer by all accounts and very good looking (anyone can see) surely on those counts it would have been better to keep him on. One of the studio people at EMI said in an interview that he asked Pete to do a certain beat and Pete was unable to do it; though he admitted that Ringo probably would not have been able to do it either as it was the norm to use session drummers on recordings.
Why did Brian Epstein not sign up Rory Storm and the Hurricanes who were considered the top name in Liverpool at the time? He did not but took their drummer instead (who apparently was not first choice).

[iameye]

Sept 7, 2013 9:25:33 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

I fancy a cup of tea....lucy you should read Cynthia's book in which she states she was told if she went to the funeral Julian would not be allowed to attend.  

There was no funeral.

xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/entertainment-funerals/7/

[cherilyn7]

The job was at first offered to the drummer in The Big Three (who Brian did sign up but failed to make any impact). He turned it down (out of loyalty to Pete Best who he said was a mate): Pete Best said that Ringo "was a mate" but he did not turn down the offer. As Pete Best had signed the contract with NEMS he must have been paid off for loss of potential future earnings as it was a 5 year contract. Ringo could have been anybody; the boys needed a drummer sat at the back he filled that role. Why was Jimmy Nichol so devastated after he left the Australian tour when Ringo returned from "sick leave" if he knew it was just a temporary job? Had he been led to believe he might be kept on? He certainly looked the part and was an excellent drummer.

[cherilyn7]

Julian flew to New York alone to attend the funeral/cremation. It is in Cynthia's book. That is, of course, if it was John who died and not a "double".

[ticket2ride]

Sept 5, 2013 15:56:49 GMT -5 beacon said:

Sept 5, 2013 0:01:38 GMT -5 NothingIsReal1985 said:

My sincerest apologies for taking so long to get back here. A little more on why later.

There's a lot of dis-info agents around these parts. But TKIN (60if.proboards.com) & Doppelganger & Identity Research Society [doppels.proboards.com] has limited registration, wherein the mods & admins have to approve of your membership before you can start posting there (they're members-only message boards/forums). But here anyone can sign up, which makes it a breeding ground where dis-info agents [and those in denial about JPM being officially deceased since the latter part of '66] abound, unfortunately.

I, too agree that Faul (I think there could be two) is very likely older than JPM the man looks as though he's in his late 70's/early 80's. After all, clones don't age as well [e.g., Fohn Fennon(s) especially the one shortly before he died; he appeared to be 60 or 70 years old, yuck]. But more on that later.

If these two fellas here are the same guy [which I don't believe they are], then Faul very had only had a face-lift; after all, plastic/cosmetic surgery is more common than ever nowadays (not that I sanction it or anything) and he has money at his disposal to do things like that. It also depends upon when these separate photos were taken. (see doppels.proboards.com/thread/322/twin-fauls)

But then again, the ears are different -- which is a/the red herring -- and one is more aged, rugged & haggard-looking than the other.

Since I'm rather hungry -- not to mention it's pretty late -- I'll comment on Linda(s), JPM vs. Faul McFalsie(s) and John Lennon vs. Fohn Fennon(s) later on, along with images & links containing conspicuous evidence, as well as backing up & supporting my claims, along with your above comment. Peace.

By "dis-info agents" I assume you mean anyone that doesn't buy into exactly the same theories as you?

I await your theories with baited breath, but, please realise that the reason that nobody posts on TKIN anymore is because Sun King and his brain dead 60if document have been totally discredited. The reason I post in this forum is because there are still a few users who wish to debate and discuss the PID myth and what it really may mean.

As I have said elsewhere, all we know for certain is that the Beatles, and their chief propagandist Neil Aspinall, wanted us to believe a false history. Everything else is still a matter of debate.

Beacon - I am delighted to see you posting here so recently,  I love your website. I have one foot in the PID camp and one in the PIA camp and I`d like to hear more from you. It would help if you could elaborate on your statement about Neil and the attempts he and the Beatles made to falsify their history. Please tell us more.

I must say the more I look into the Beatles and how much they got away with in their day, the curiouser and curiouser it becomes. It seems to me now that the history being falsified also extends to why they were immune from prosecution in redneck parts of the US for having sex with with underage fans. It seems to me no amount of bribery could have stopped every police chief in the US from doing their duty especially as the Beatles were despised by many conservative folks in the US.

Why were they able to get away with so many illicit activities, why haven`t their and EMI`s links with Charles Manson been looked at before? You Never Give Me Your Money sounds more sinister to me now with the line about stepping on the gas and making what seems like an escape - but it was one sweet dream that came true today. The mocking children:s chorus of 1234567 All Good Children Go To Heaven takes on sick implications when we consider it was written on a post at a ranch the Manson family stayed at. Why did the Beatles and other so called `good people` defend and associate with Roman Polanski who not only raped an underage girl but probably was in on his wife`s and friend`s vile murders.

How about the International Times reference to a black magic sacrifice with the penname of the `writer` being linked to a pseudonym of Paul McCartney? There seems a lot wrong with what was going on around the Beatles and possibly more wrongdoing than underage fans. I think many people don`t want to go there which is why I like this board with its variety of theories and new info. I did not want to believe they were a Tavistock project but it seems the Beatles were far  more manufactured by forces not referred to in the mainstream media than we ever guessed. These things are reasons for keeping an open mind on the PID view.

[linus]

Now, I have not seen or heard anything Paul McCartney since the fall of 1966

Keep in mind that is a personal interpretation, and is not enough to put a burden of proof on those that disagree. It is on you.
And yes, I know there are comps, but the standard stories of how, when, were and why he died, and who replaced him don’t add up, to put it mildly. Not to mention the absolute lack of proof of a physical death.

but I want you to give me undeniable, absolute, concrete proof that Paul McCartney is still alive? Not just replaced with another person(s), but alive and kicking in. I want to see definite, unquestionable photos and videos, and I want to hear authentic audio evidence with the proper dating and scientific analysis.

I also want to see absolute proof you have that the "false story" is about Paul being dead. I want to see original, unaltered documentation that shows that death clues were intentionally planted for purpose of redirecting away from the supposed real reason which was mind control and social engineering.

I want to see documentation and quotes supporting your view from the Tavistock Institute, and written or oral testimony from key figures who were supposedly involved from the inside--agents, directors, producers, writers, aristocrats, politician, etc. I want you to include endnotes and footnotes--cite your sources.

So is this the standard for the forum now?
Everyone has to be held to the same standards. Nobody can say anything unless they include documentation and oral testimony from the persons in question? Suit yourself…

We’d all like to break in and steal the secret files ala Mission Impossible, and find out the specifics of what was going on with the Beatles, but like with any conundrum, until then all anyone can do is research what is available to us, speculate, do our best to read the writing on the wall, and use logic.

It could just be a sick joke, or them getting their occult jollies, and nothing more. But, keep in mind, the clues were planted subliminally. Plus, as they say, "learn how to play the game."
And they were the world’s most popular group at the time. One doesn’t have to stretch the imagination much to see that those interested in social engineering would have an interest in being part of their work. AS of now, the proof is in the pudding. We may not have documentation, but there are plenty of dots to connect. There's nothing you can see that isn't shown.

I am trying my best to track down documented proof, but some interesting things are fairly well-known in most circles, such as: the British newspapers in early-1963 claimed “1000s of screaming fans were attending Beatles shows” when it was really only dozens. Sullivan brought busloads of schoolgirls to the airport in 1964 to greet the Beatles, and paid them to scream. LSD was made easily available to the masses via government agencies. Etc. These are, of course, debatable, but they are widely agreed upon, for what it’s worth.

Were these four 20-somethings from Liverpool, who were busy being rock stars, really knowledgeable & skilled enough to weave all the esoteric stuff into their work? From what has been discovered regarding The Sgt. Pepper cover alone would’ve taken them several months if not years to put together.

And if he did die, it still seems rather macabre to me to make art out if it. Especially when planting it subliminally.

I want to see definite, unquestionable photos and videos, and I want to hear authentic audio evidence with the proper dating and scientific analysis.

Unfortunatley, as of this moment, not enough scientists have conducted an adequate, thorough research into all of this. The Wired article did an alright job of showing that there’s more than one Paul, but did not prove that one died. PIDers seem to overlook that.
And I would like to see the guy that did 3 vocal analyses, or other pros, to continue analyzing more from both eras. Going by his and PID standards, I hear more than one Paul in both eras.

I also want to see absolute proof you have that the "false story" is about Paul being dead.

Nobody has provided proof and documents that Paul actually died, and that the clues were put there to alert the public and get justice. (The Beatles deny that the clues are even there).
Nobody has provided oral testimony from those that were involved with a death, cover up or replacement.
How do PIDers know he didn’t just go into hiding? Or had plastic surgery? All anyone can know for sure is, as the forum is named, he may have been replaced.

As I have stated before, it seems to me that this was set up to be unprovable either way. My proof and documentation is all the PIA vs. PID evidence that has been established and debated for the last 42 years. (Ironic that Paul was born in ’42).
Both seem to have good arguments on their own, one not being any more solid than the other. The possibility that there were multiples in both eras seems to me to be the only way to reconcile the paradox.

The PID motif aligns with many occult practices, and we see evidence of it long before the fall of ’66, with Paul even participating in it. (And the Beatles weren't even involved in the cartoon series). The occult parallels outweighing the proof of a death and replacement.
That coupled with the irreconcilable paradox of PIA vs. PID, being reconciled with multiples, makes this all begin to fall into place, for me. I understand that’s more than most people want to consider, and I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, but when one puts all these elements in place, it all begins to come together. “Solve et Coagula”.
Sure, the burden of proof is on me, here. And I’m working like a dog on it.
But since PIDers, love their Wired article so much, I will, as I’ve done here before, start by showing the two Pauls they display here. Going by PID standards, there are two different Pauls here.


The point I continuously make is that PIDers are keen on pointing out differences between pre-67 Pauls and post-66 Pauls, but don’t notice, or acknowledge, the differences between the Pauls in each era.


And, if the others were replaced, who was putting those clues in the music and album covers? And if they all, or most, died, why are the clues only about Paul? Shouldn’t they have put “All four are dead” clues in the work?
(although I do see allusions to Lennon’s ’80 shooting in their and others’ work).


To those that are starting on the right track of seeing things such as “Faul was around before ’66”, and “they used doubles”, I ask: How does one know which is the real Paul and which are the doubles? And how did they find one and/or more people that look and act that much like the original? And does coexisting with ‘Fauls’ and doubles make him a fraud?
"Thank you Paul, that was just like him." That was their most straight-forward clue ever. Not subliminal, not backwards, not encripted enigmatically in a photo. And of course, the ironic thing is, PIDers dismiss it. (eye roll)

There's obviously foul play involved, I just happen to see it taking place long before '66.

To paraphrase Beacon:
All I know for certain is that the PID motif is there. Everything else is still mostly an equally-matched matter of debate, conjecture and extrapolation.

On may also benefit from reading the first paragraph of Vermouth's recent post.

[cherilyn7]

Iameye please note: the link you gave stated John was shot outside his "hotel" the Dakota, so I won't take much notice of what they have to say.....
Yes it is very noticeable if you study the photos that there was a different Paul from at least 1962, maybe earlier. It is also becoming evident that there were doubles for the others also. The Beatles were "chosen" there is no doubt; Brian Epstein chose them and seemed to 'know' he could groom them for stardom and apparently a promoter from those early days stated in an interview that he told Epstein he could not afford to pay them £40 could he pay £30 for an appearance and was told by Epstein: the price is now £500 and I'm taking them on tour to America soon. The promoter (I can't recall the name) wondered how did he know this so early on?

[cherilyn7]

Continuing on the Ringo aspect; his childhood is interesting and does mirror to a large extent the early life of Lee Harvey Oswald (there were apparently 2 people using this identity from about age 6). Richard Starkey had no recollection of his natural father who left home before he was three (never to be seen again apparently). In and out of hospital, a sickly ailing child his mother did menial jobs to make ends meet. This parallels the life of LHO. It is an interesting comparison in view of the doubles hypothesis. At what stage I ask myself did Richard Starkey decide to change his name to Ringo Starr? Quite a good career move. With a name like that it makes you stand out, when in normal life in any other way Richard would not have stood out for any particular reason you could think of. But wait a minute, his birth sign is Leo the Lion (king of the jungle).

[Jai Guru Deva]

Sept 8, 2013 0:00:31 GMT -5 linus said:

Now, I have not seen or heard anything Paul McCartney since the fall of 1966

Keep in mind that is a personal interpretation, and is not enough to put a burden of proof on those that disagree. It is on you.
And yes, I know there are comps, but the standard stories of how, when, were and why he died, and who replaced him don’t add up, to put it mildly. Not to mention the absolute lack of proof of a physical death.

but I want you to give me undeniable, absolute, concrete proof that Paul McCartney is still alive? Not just replaced with another person(s), but alive and kicking in. I want to see definite, unquestionable photos and videos, and I want to hear authentic audio evidence with the proper dating and scientific analysis.

I also want to see absolute proof you have that the "false story" is about Paul being dead. I want to see original, unaltered documentation that shows that death clues were intentionally planted for purpose of redirecting away from the supposed real reason which was mind control and social engineering.

I want to see documentation and quotes supporting your view from the Tavistock Institute, and written or oral testimony from key figures who were supposedly involved from the inside--agents, directors, producers, writers, aristocrats, politician, etc. I want you to include endnotes and footnotes--cite your sources.

So is this the standard for the forum now?
Everyone has to be held to the same standards. Nobody can say anything unless they include documentation and oral testimony from the persons in question? Suit yourself…

We’d all like to break in and steal the secret files ala Mission Impossible, and find out the specifics of what was going on with the Beatles, but like with any conundrum, until then all anyone can do is research what is available to us, speculate, do our best to read the writing on the wall, and use logic.

It could just be a sick joke, or them getting their occult jollies, and nothing more. But, keep in mind, the clues were planted subliminally. Plus, as they say, "learn how to play the game."
And they were the world’s most popular group at the time. One doesn’t have to stretch the imagination much to see that those interested in social engineering would have an interest in being part of their work. AS of now, the proof is in the pudding. We may not have documentation, but there are plenty of dots to connect. There's nothing you can see that isn't shown.

I am trying my best to track down documented proof, but some interesting things are fairly well-known in most circles, such as: the British newspapers in early-1963 claimed “1000s of screaming fans were attending Beatles shows” when it was really only dozens. Sullivan brought busloads of schoolgirls to the airport in 1964 to greet the Beatles, and paid them to scream. LSD was made easily available to the masses via government agencies. Etc. These are, of course, debatable, but they are widely agreed upon, for what it’s worth.

Were these four 20-somethings from Liverpool, who were busy being rock stars, really knowledgeable & skilled enough to weave all the esoteric stuff into their work? From what has been discovered regarding The Sgt. Pepper cover alone would’ve taken them several months if not years to put together.

And if he did die, it still seems rather macabre to me to make art out if it. Especially when planting it subliminally.

I want to see definite, unquestionable photos and videos, and I want to hear authentic audio evidence with the proper dating and scientific analysis.

Unfortunatley, as of this moment, not enough scientists have conducted an adequate, thorough research into all of this. The Wired article did an alright job of showing that there’s more than one Paul, but did not prove that one died. PIDers seem to overlook that.
And I would like to see the guy that did 3 vocal analyses, or other pros, to continue analyzing more from both eras. Going by his and PID standards, I hear more than one Paul in both eras.

I also want to see absolute proof you have that the "false story" is about Paul being dead.

Nobody has provided proof and documents that Paul actually died, and that the clues were put there to alert the public and get justice. (The Beatles deny that the clues are even there).
Nobody has provided oral testimony from those that were involved with a death, cover up or replacement.
How do PIDers know he didn’t just go into hiding? Or had plastic surgery? All anyone can know for sure is, as the forum is named, he may have been replaced.

As I have stated before, it seems to me that this was set up to be unprovable either way. My proof and documentation is all the PIA vs. PID evidence that has been established and debated for the last 42 years. (Ironic that Paul was born in ’42).
Both seem to have good arguments on their own, one not being any more solid than the other. The possibility that there were multiples in both eras seems to me to be the only way to reconcile the paradox.

The PID motif aligns with many occult practices, and we see evidence of it long before the fall of ’66, with Paul even participating in it. (And the Beatles weren't even involved in the cartoon series). The occult parallels outweighing the proof of a death and replacement.
That coupled with the irreconcilable paradox of PIA vs. PID, being reconciled with multiples, makes this all begin to fall into place, for me. I understand that’s more than most people want to consider, and I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, but when one puts all these elements in place, it all begins to come together. “Solve et Coagula”.
Sure, the burden of proof is on me, here. And I’m working like a dog on it.
But since PIDers, love their Wired article so much, I will, as I’ve done here before, start by showing the two Pauls they display here. Going by PID standards, there are two different Pauls here.


The point I continuously make is that PIDers are keen on pointing out differences between pre-67 Pauls and post-66 Pauls, but don’t notice, or acknowledge, the differences between the Pauls in each era.


And, if the others were replaced, who was putting those clues in the music and album covers? And if they all, or most, died, why are the clues only about Paul? Shouldn’t they have put “All four are dead” clues in the work?
(although I do see allusions to Lennon’s ’80 shooting in their and others’ work).


To those that are starting on the right track of seeing things such as “Faul was around before ’66”, and “they used doubles”, I ask: How does one know which is the real Paul and which are the doubles? And how did they find one and/or more people that look and act that much like the original? And does coexisting with ‘Fauls’ and doubles make him a fraud?
"Thank you Paul, that was just like him." That was their most straight-forward clue ever. Not subliminal, not backwards, not encripted enigmatically in a photo. And of course, the ironic thing is, PIDers dismiss it. (eye roll)

There's obviously foul play involved, I just happen to see it taking place long before '66.

To paraphrase Beacon:
All I know for certain is that the PID motif is there. Everything else is still mostly an equally-matched matter of debate, conjecture and extrapolation.

On may also benefit from reading the first paragraph of Vermouth's recent post.

Aha! Just as I suspected, you can't prove anything--other than we have a long way to go to solving this thing and we really can't dismiss possibility!

Welcome to the wonderful world of PWR/PID, where the farther one travels, the less one knows.

Oh and Linus, please think for yourself!

[linus]

Aha! Just as I suspected, you can't prove anything--other than we have a long way to go to solving this thing and we really can't dismiss possibility!

Practice what you preach, Mr. "Paul is in fact dead."

And if "we have a long way to go to solving this thing and we really can't dismiss possibility!" is your new stance, then, welcome to the real world!

Just as you suspected? What, were you trying to corner me? I suspected the very same thing for myself, and for everyone else. That is what my post was about, and what I've been saying the whole time I've been here - that none of us know anything for a solid fact. That is what I tried to communicate to you in the Physical Evidence thread recently. If you get it now, I'm glad. And I trust you realize you are not exempt from the things you just stated.

Oh and Linus, please think for yourself!

Everything I think is for myself.
Just like a PIDer to miss the point entirely.
And tell that to the other standard PIDers, particularly the ones that only know how to regurgitate what Sunking spoonfeeds them.

[iwilliam]

NothingIsReal1985 I responded to your post in another thread. I think my response applies to what you wrote here as well, and I ask that you read it: invanddis.proboards.com/thread/2575/physical-evidence?page=4&scrollTo=106592



Honestly, I kind of wish I'd seen your post here before I wrote that. I probably would have been a little more thorough, and probably a little more stern / harsh with you. No offense. But you write as though you've got it all figured out, and everyone else is stupid. You said, to Beacon:

I reckon that many others -- yourself notwithstanding -- haven't come to that point your life yet, like I have. But don't worry, I won't force this PID stuff on you; some people discover truth sooner than others, and others... well later rather than sooner.

Now, I don't know if maybe you think "notwithstanding" means something different than it really does***, but Beacon is probably one of the most knowledgeable people in the field of PID in the world. He's studied it like it's the bible. He's written multiple books on the subject. For you with 23 posts to come in here and speak to Beacon as though he doesn't know shit, is somewhat insulting to me. I can't imagine how poor Beacon must feel.


It's funny-- you speak like you are privvy to "The Real Truth" and everyone else is just deluded, and you're prepared to argue against anyone, no matter what. Yet, in your post, you said this:

For a while I was even in denial, having a complex about anything PID-related, whether mentioned or seen online (vis-à-vis the Internet), ready to deride &/or cuss anyone out who contradicted my views one this, even defending Faul McFalsie's deceptive honor.

What I gather from this (taken with everything else you posted) is that the ultimate, "objective" truth doesn't really matter-- you're just firm about your position, whatever that may be, and unwavering, and unwilling to consider any conflicting info or evidence, that you're ready to argue with people, and "cuss them out" and call them stupid sheeople or whatever, if they don't agree with you. Do you not see how your current position is exactly identical to your former position, with the one small change of which side you're standing on?

If you really care about finding the objective truth, such a position will only hinder you. But of course, your post gets even better...:

But recently I got a revelation from God Hisself that this is true, that is, JPM being deceased since 1966...

Ah, so that's why you know that you're 100% right and the rest of us are just deluded sheep? Because god told you so?. Sweetheart, god has "told" lots of people lots of things throughout human history. 99.9999% of the time this can be proven as delusion. I'm not trying to shit on your beliefs. I believe in god, and I also believe that if a person can still their mind enough, that in a manner of speaking, they can get "impressions" if you will... not quite the same as being spoken to... but a gentle feeling, that something is right or wrong. The thing is, there is no objective way of confirming this, much of the time. And such a system is completely prone to self-delusion. And if you're the kind of person who can't truly "still your mind" as I say, and keep your personal ideas and opinions out of it, you're more likely to get the delusional part.


I think having beliefs and convictions is great. I really do. But insulting people, and telling them that they don't know shit, because god told you that you're the PID-messiah sent to lead us all to salvation....? That's very much not cool. We're all here because we find this stuff interesting. If you're still somewhat new to the whole PID thing, you may just be learning that a lot of people, have widely differing beliefs. I think you will find, that with your "half of all celebrities have been replace with evil doppelgangers" belief, that you are very much in the minority in the PID scene. With the exception of a few boards, like TKIN as mentioned earlier. From what you've written here, it almost seems like you'd fit in better there. More people to agree with you, and less people you'll have to call "sheep"... if that's all you're looing for.


If you're instead looking for objective discussion, regarding a wide range of theories-- then you're in the right place.


I just really think you need to open your mind a little more. Not sure how you can't see that one. I mean, by your own admission, just a few years ago you were on the other side, ready to insult anyone who saw things differently. And now... you're on the other other side, and.... ready to insult anyone who sees things differently. You know that both of these positions can not be right. So at one point, at least, you were ready to insult others in defense of a wrongly-held position. Consider the fact that this may presently be the situation you're in. It is possible both of your positions are wrong.

And as much as you need to open your mind a little more, you definitely need to cut the shit with your subtle insults. No one needs that. Like I said, we're all in the same boat here. We're just very interested in this phenomenon, and curious about the truth. That's where the similarities end. Personally, I think "Faul" is an AMAZING musician. I think post-1966 "Paul" beats the pants off of pre-1966 Paul, any day of the week. If you want a forum where almost everyone else agrees with you that "Faul is shit," like I said, there are places for that. Plenty of that on TKIN. Plenty of that on Tina's forum, too: pid.hoop.la/topics lots of people there to agree with you that Faul is a horrible musician, and an evil satanic clone, replaced by the CIA and the tavistock institute, alone with Fohn Lennon and Lady Gaga and Gwen Stefani. You can spew all the hate you want, and plenty of people around to mindlessly agree with it.


Or you can stay here and open up your mind a little, maybe try to speak in a slightly less condescending manner....


Or just disregard everything I've said. I've only been studying this for over ten years... what the hell do I know?




(*** It means "nevertheless," "regardless," or "in spite of this..." which would make that sentence nonsensical)

[Jai Guru Deva]

Sept 8, 2013 14:57:19 GMT -5 linus said:

Aha! Just as I suspected, you can't prove anything--other than we have a long way to go to solving this thing and we really can't dismiss possibility!

Practice what you preach, Mr. "Paul is in fact dead."

And if "we have a long way to go to solving this thing and we really can't dismiss possibility!" is your new stance, then, welcome to the real world!

Just as you suspected? What, were you trying to corner me? I suspected the very same thing for myself, and for everyone else. That is what my post was about, and what I've been saying the whole time I've been here - that none of us know anything for a solid fact. That is what I tried to communicate to you in the Physical Evidence thread recently. If you get it now, I'm glad. And I trust you realize you are not exempt from the things you just stated.

Oh and Linus, please think for yourself!

Everything I think is for myself.
"Just like a PIDer..."

You contradict yourself Linus.

I've been here since this board started, while there have been disagreements, there have not ever been personal attacks (well, except for the time when a poster named HowDoYouSleep managed to piss off a whole board, but I digress...).

What is new is coming to this board and being the recipient ad hominem attacks; being accused of being and agent and trying to brainwash others and having my point of view slandered, ridiculed, stereotyped, mischaracterized, misrepresented, and misinterpreted by others with condescending, offish attitude.

How would you like to come to this board see other posters saying things like:

"It's just like Linus (or those who hold his theory/view) to miss the point..."
"Show any photo/video of Paul/Faul to Linus (or those who hold his theory/view) and he'll say..."
"Only Linus (or those who hold his theory/view) could think/believe..."


Think for yourself Linus.

[superman]

NothingIsReal1985 said:
I agree on your assessment. That's why -- for a long time -- I didn't bother checking in with nor researching whether or not JPM REALLY being dead and replaced by someone else, an impostor, because I knew (all of this time [since the Faul *cough, ahem* Fall of 2010], until two weeks ago, of course) deep down inside that it was the truth. When I first found out the possibility I complained to a friend -- who not only believes much of that jazz (nonsense) the Illuminati-controlled mass media pumps out, grew up in a less stable home than I did, doesn't have as deep a [realistic] worldview as I do, doesn't see eye-to-eye with me on many things, and is slightly naïve, although she's slightly less than 2 years older than me, but still love her in spite of it -- who said (to the effect of) that there's no such thing as somebody getting 'replaced'. But I always felt (in my subconscious) that it was otherwise and now know why. It's all a matter of putting two and two together, but I wasn't strong, mature or knowledgeable enough then to handle it [the ugly, naked TRUTH, that is]. 

I (strongly) believe that this cloning & replacement [with other look-alike individuals] has not only happened to JPM, but to other celebrities as well, such as:

Michael Jackson (for many reasons, some rather obvious to those with an open mind; multiple clones &/or doubles) 
Eddie Murphy (in '89 or '90 for obvious reasons)
The Beatles (well, the rest of them John, JPM, George & Ringo as well, as CherilynZennah7 pointed out earlier on this page) John Travolta
Courtney Love
Kim Kardashian (outta ALL of her siblings she's changed the MOST physically; there's just something different about her now than 10 years ago)
Megan Fox
Sheryl Crow
Eminem (AKA, Marshall Mathers)
Mick Jagger
Bret Michaels
Ice-T
Bob Dylan (AKA Robert Zimmerman)
Tara Browne
Eric Clapton
Brian Epstein
Beyoncé (I can tell she either has clones on the side, or has been replaced by a clone altogether)
Jay-Z
Rod Stewart
David Bowie
Sting
Sylvester Stallone
Mickey Rourke
Amy Winehouse
Josh Groban
Hanson

And (possibly):

Mariah Carey (she's changed SO much over the years, whether it was her face, nose, singing voice, body, hips, weight, shape, personality, etc., and some of that stuff can't just be contributed to plastic surgery or acting coaches or whatever)
Avril Lavigne (why is it that a girl/young woman that's pushing 30 still looks like she's half that age? The entertainment industry is obsessed with youth and want to not only stay forever young, but has pedophile tendencies, as well, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she was cloned & replaced at one point or another)
Christina Aguilera (no comment, lol)
Jennifer Lopez (she looks young for being 44 years old, too, which is a red flag to/for me)
Gwen Stefani (she's the same age as J.Lo, only months apart, but still looks like she's in her late 20's/early 30's)
Britney Spears
Marilyn Monroe
Angelina Jolie
Cher
Elvis Presley
Whitney Houston
Jessica Simpson

..and many others.

Some of these people haven't been killed & replaced (whether by clones or another individual that looks almost identical to them) altogether, but just have these people on the side to meet the rigorous schedules [concerning various gigs like live concerts, writing, composing, producing & recording songs, doing movies, interviews, television & talk show appearances, autograph signings, photo shoots/sessions (whether for magazines, advertisements, posters, editorials, articles, or just publicity &/or promos), touring the U.S. & the world, etc.] their contracts require, that they have to meet. It makes sense because with the amount of work that has to be done in the entertainment business... well, it would either put a person in the hospital, or the grave, b/c I just don't understand how it can be done by one person, PERIOD. Moreover Hollyweird/Trashy Tinseltown is a pretty scandalous, dishonest, greedy & nasty place, so this wouldn't surprise me in the LEAST.

And then there's the OCCULT (which is the main) aspect of cloning &/or replacing individuals in politics, sports, the entertainment industry as a whole, and other upper echelons of society. Unless the occult(ic), supernatural part is taken into consideration, then the the cloning &/or replacement of human beings (in mainly the entertainment industry, whether it be television, stage, movies or music -- will NOT make much sense.

With that said... I believe that there are supernatural, occult factors involved in JPM's murder & subsequent replacement, one of them being a ritual blood sacrifice, which only scratches the surface of the whens, hows, wheres & whys of him being rubbed out at the tender age of 24, like James Dean was approximately 11 years earlier [BTW, the 30th of each month is a signficant date of sacrifice on the occult(ic) calender, because Robert Kardashian (Sr.) died on that same date 48 years later, and BAM! those sleazy Kardashians(-Jenners) had their own show aired on the E! Network 5 years [and 2 weeks] later and have crazily & constantly promoted, pushed & shoved in our faces relentlessly since then. Don't know about the rest of you, but that sounds quite suspicious to me].

Beware the biological speculations...
The occult and "magick" are, according to some, just exotic forms of science that scientists haven't figured out yet.  I certainly believe that both the occult and advanced science play a role in all the wonders and often confounding mysteries we've encountered through the decades.

[NothingIsReal1985]

Sept 7, 2013 9:25:33 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

I fancy a cup of tea....lucy you should read Cynthia's book in which she states she was told if she went to the funeral Julian would not be allowed to attend. In fact, I go along with NothingisReal1985 that our beloved John had "disappeared" some years previous. Well he definitely underwent a personality change! Cynthia also stated that she was badly advised at the time of the divorce (which she did not want) and took a lump sum instead of alimony (maintenance in UK)...this ties in with if John had a replacement/disappeared/died....

NothingisReal1985 thankyou for your thoughts/theories; I think we know what a myth is and we are not talking about a myth here.

Hey, Cherilyn. Thanks for your compliments on the "tea" (a slang term for juicy-yet-true celebrity "gossip", or surprising true info about something or someone, that I lifted from this blog I like, Diary of a Hollywood Street King) I offered you to consume. Hope it was tasty, LOL.

Moving on not only did "Lennon" undergo a major personality change, he underwent many physical ones, as well. To break it down, Fennon -- likely portrayed by multiple men, which I'll give examples and proof as to why later on for it to make more sense -- changed both inside/out. And it's not just the case w/ (the) Fohn Fennon(s), but w/ the rest of The Featles, as well. I ALWAYS knew there was a reason I never liked them post '66 [besides the obvious extreme paradigm shift in style, image, dress, music, physical appearance, personality, character, chemistry & connection with each other as BFFs [best friends forever], vibe(s), aura(s), essence(s), etc.], but never could put my finger on it. I thought maybe it was all in my head, but always knew there was a lot more to it than what met the -- or should I say MY eyes -- eye. And after researching this particular subject -- whether here &/or in other places online -- I now know why. 

I can't say this enough, but I'm grateful/thankful to God for leading me to this point (I wouldn't have found out the truth otherwise), and in this direction. I feel this is it, so I can go back to accepting/settling for anything LESS, let alone believing a lie again; it would be akin to drinking urine or eating feces, which is EXTREMELY gross, or a dog going back to its vomit and a hog back to its wallow in the mud-pit/hole, as the Good Book says. Why should I settle for less when you can have the best? On top of that, once a secret is made known -- especially by many people -- how can it be covered up and put back into the dark again, once the cover's been blown and the secret brought to the light. It's futile, because the cat's already been let outta the bag, as the saying goes. Can't help but testify about it.

Moving on... I remember reading somewhere that John really loved Cyn -- who, out of ALL of the Beatle wives, whether legitimate or not, is my absolute favorite, not to mention the most attractive -- although he treated her really bad (but we won't discuss that, because it's a bit off the subject at hand). John also knew (early on) that he would spend the rest of his life with her; and he DID, given that he was murdered died some time in the latter part of '66, which I strongly believe that he did. It had to have been hard for Cynthia (and their son, Julian) to lose John so early/soon; although I don't know her personally I'm sad for her. I also read somewhere that she never got over losing John, which was why her subsequent marriages didn't work out. I thought maybe it was due to the divorce (its finalization thereof) of "Lennon" back in '68, but always knew there was a lot more to the story than what's always been commonly told for decades. NOW it's clear to me what the circumstances are/may have been. Now, (subconsciously) I always thought the part about Cyn not ever being over John -- even to this day, perhaps -- sounded more like a grieving widow than a bitter, deserted/abandoned, betrayed divorcée to me. 

Poor Cynthia, Julian, and John's Aunt Mimi (Mary); they had to go along with the subsequent sideshow that ensued afterwards by TPTB. My heart really goes out to them, so I won't judge them for keeping this horrible secret, even to this day. After all, I don't know everything about that particular situation, I'm just VERY suspicious of the circumstances surrounding it. Furthermore, I can understand why they did the things they've done over the years. What good would it be if they were to come out with it anyhow? 1) The general public of SHEEPLE have been dumbed-down and MK'd (mind-controlled, or kontrolled) so bad by the mainstream mass media that they wouldn't believe it anyhow anymore than they would with JPM's demise that same year [1966] and 2) John's family -- Cynthia, Julian and Mimi (who's been deceased since 1991, 25 years/a quarter century after John died, and John's father Alfred died in 1976 , a decade/10 years after John hisself, both of which I consider more than just coincidental, you do the math on the rest) -- would be stopped dead in their tracks, by either being extremely threatened into silence, or worse died (instantly/suddenly) under mysterious & suspicious circumstances for attempting (or actually) to come forth with the full story of what REALLY happened, like what's happened with so many others throughout human history.

Moreover I've seen many of those lump sum commercials while watching daytime television here in the States (in regards to people receiving settlements from accidents that have left loved ones injured, whether seriously, permanently, or fatally, and even collected from insurance policies of loved ones who have died), so I understand where you're coming from. From what you've told me about the [aforementioned] monies that Cynthia procured (most likely by coercion/pressure from lawyers, who can be pretty greedy and vindictive, most likely wanting some of the money that she received from her dead, sexy hubby, which, considering the impact of his fame & fortune, was right much) from her 'divorce' from 'John Lennon' -- which I didn't know about until you brought it up -- it sounds to me like something a living spouse gets on behalf of a spouse that's already deceased, so something's awfully fishy about THAT story. After all, how can you divorce someone that's already dead and gone from this world? That would be just like the legal system trying to convict a dead person of a crime, which wouldn't make any sense. Need I say anymore? Except that, where there's smoke, there's fire. :/

I believe that was a blessing in disguise [as well as the rest of The Beatles not living past their mid-twenties at the most], but I'll explain why later. Thanks for giving me some of your delicious, piping-hot/iced "tea"; I appreciate it. Peace, and take care until next time. ;D

[NothingIsReal1985]

Sept 7, 2013 9:50:52 GMT -5 cherilyn7 said:

Why was Jimmy Nichol so devastated after he left the Australian tour when Ringo returned from "sick leave" if he knew it was just a temporary job? Had he been led to believe he might be kept on? He certainly looked the part and was an excellent drummer.

Since I wanted to know a bit more about Nichol I decided to go to Wikipedia [which isn't the most reliable source of information about many things and people -- not by a long-shot, because I feel it's slanted and biased to and against certain people, things and beliefs -- but I just go there mainly to see people's date of birth and find out other simple, basic facts. Since I feel that Wiki is controlled by the Illuminati -- like most, if not all of the mass mainstream media -- I don't really rely on that particular medium for the exclusivity concerning the truth about those nasty celebrities that everyone has on a pedestal.

Anyway, my heart kinda broke for Jimmy, because he was basically used and thrown away concerning his membership with The Beatles; he probably didn't know any better, but hey, you get what you pay for. It's terrible to get a taste of the high life and then having to go back to living like common people [he filed for bankruptcy in 1965]. It would have been better if he never took the offer. I did like the temporary time he filled in for Ringo, though. But... Jimmy (IMO) wasn't -- notice the past tense, seeing that Ringo was replaced some time in the mid-'60s, between '64-'66 -- as good-looking (and all-around unique) as Ringo, but he certainly wasn't bad-looking hisself. Looks aside, he also seemed like a nice guy.

That's why -- as I said on that last page -- why I, nor would I let any of my children -- join the entertainment industry as a whole. Besides, as crazy as this sounds to some, one would have to sell their soul to the devil (and do God knows what else) to be a success in mainstream showbiz, anyhow. It's not a rumor, it's the truth; just look a Faul McFalsie... need I say any more? At one time I wanted a career in the entertainment industry, but found that it's just not worth pursuing, considering the things I've learned about it over the years. So Jimmy Nichol was better if he was just content with staying... well, obscure, never joining The Beatles at ALL. Just look what happened to the Fab Four some time later on.

[NothingIsReal1985]

Sept 7, 2013 23:40:20 GMT -5 ticket2ride said:

I must say the more I look into the Beatles and how much they got away with in their day, the curiouser and curiouser it becomes. It seems to me now that the history being falsified also extends to why they were immune from prosecution in redneck parts of the US for having sex with with underage fans. It seems to me no amount of bribery could have stopped every police chief in the US from doing their duty especially as the Beatles were despised by many conservative folks in the US.

Why were they able to get away with so many illicit activities, why haven`t their and EMI`s links with Charles Manson been looked at before? You Never Give Me Your Money sounds more sinister to me now with the line about stepping on the gas and making what seems like an escape - but it was one sweet dream that came true today. The mocking children:s chorus of 1234567 All Good Children Go To Heaven takes on sick implications when we consider it was written on a post at a ranch the Manson family stayed at. Why did the Beatles and other so called `good people` defend and associate with Roman Polanski who not only raped an underage girl but probably was in on his wife`s and friend`s vile murders.

How about the International Times reference to a black magic sacrifice with the penname of the `writer` being linked to a pseudonym of Paul McCartney? There seems a lot wrong with what was going on around the Beatles and possibly more wrongdoing than underage fans. I think many people don`t want to go there which is why I like this board with its variety of theories and new info. I did not want to believe they were a Tavistock project but it seems the Beatles were far  more manufactured by forces not referred to in the mainstream media than we ever guessed. These things are reasons for keeping an open mind on the PID view.

Someone said some time ago on this thread that The Beatles didn't get to the top by being 'nice', and I couldn't agree more. I strongly believe that -- like singer Jennifer Husdon, who I lost respect for long ago for a number of reasons, and I could CARELESS how good a singer she is now, because I always believed that character matter a LOT more than talent -- John & Paul's mothers were a sacrifice (to the gods of Baal, as it were) for their fame and fortune. I always thought it strange -- and much more than mere coincidental -- that their moms died back in the 1950's, back they they were merely teens and close in age. That was also the basis of their strong connection, besides other obvious things they (already) had in common, like singing, friendship, songwriting, musicianship, etc.

Moreover John said he would do ANYTHING for fame & fortune, even lie, steal cheat and con. They say that John died approximately 20 years after selling his soul to the Devil -- as he said out of his own mouth... that he wanted to be 'more famous than Elvis, which is a bit of an exaggeration, b/c to this very day Elvis is still yet more famous than The Beatles, IMO -- but I believe he died MUCH sooner than that, that is, in 1966, about 6 years AFTER the aforementioned fact. (Does '666', which represents the number of a man, ring a bell for you folks? Just remove the '1' and flip the '9', and be the judge of what I'm implying.) I've found this to have happened to many other folks in times past, them even dying either shortly before or after getting what Satan "promised" them in return for them selling their soul, getting deeply involved in the occult for powers to get whatever they wanted, for their unadulterated allegiance, to do the Devil's bidding, etc.

I also found it funny that John was never prosecuted for 1) nearly beating to death the man that he robbed while back in Hamburg 2) kicking his lover BFF, Stuart Sutcliffe, in the head [most likely in a bitter, vengeance-driven rage for breaking up with rejecting him in favor of a heterosexual relationship an engagement -- and ultimately marriage -- to their platonic German friend and personal photographer, Astrïd Kirchherr (which he never got around to doing). I also believe that Stuart was just another [ritual blood] sacrifice on John Lennon's way to the top, unfortunately. He [Sutcliffe] had suffered a skull fractured and later on died from a brain aneurysm... or so the story goes. And 3) why John had also gotten away with beating a man to a pulp at a party [in 1963, shortly after coming back from a holiday with his Jooish handler manager Brian Epstein from Spain] when he casually asked [John] how the honeymoon was with his new wife, Cynthia.

But since John was drunk out of his mind and clearly extremely lacking in good judgment, he thought the man -- who didn't mention Cyn's name specifically, but it was who he'd REALLY meant, since most people's minds didn't run into all of this homosexuality stuff too much in those days. But unfortunately John didn't see it that way, and therefore took it the wrong way and -- in a drunken rage to go along with that already short temper of his -- beat the guy up pretty bad, but nothing was ever done about it, I don't think... except Brian getting him alone later on and scolding him about it, which didn't do much good, I don't think. *eye roll*

I love The Beatles, don't get me wrong; but they did some pretty foul, trifling and scandalous things to get to the top, even stepping on others, taking advantage of starstruck, virginal underage girls notwithstanding. The legal age of sexual consent may be lower (16) over in the U.K., but it's a little higher over here, being 17 or 18. For smoking & drinking, it's 16 and 18 over there, and 18 and 21 (respectively) over here in the States. I reckon the Fab Four didn't take that into account. It's already clear to me that they had let the whole fame of Beatlemania go to their heads, making them feel on the top of the world, invincible and like the rules/laws did NOT apply to them, like many air/swell-headed celebs to this very day. Times have NOT change, so (this is) NOTHING new under the sun.

More on this later. Peace.