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Post by puzzled on Dec 27, 2008 16:45:15 GMT -5
In another odd synchy moment, I was reading in the Rotten Apple thread, and one of the embedded YouTube videos was showing, and the image that had become frozen in the window was a picture of a hairy bearded guy with round glasses standing way over to the left of the shot. I swear it looks just like our Mr. McMurtry - but when I viewed the video, there are so many flashing images going by I couldn't pinpoint where his image is located.
It is the IAAP video "A lie adds up - dont nod" I'm going thru it as slowly as I can to see if I can spot it again.
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Post by Doc on Dec 27, 2008 18:20:54 GMT -5
Hi Doc: I had snagged that picture off one of the O.T.O. websites, and now I can't find the exact one. However, here is a similar picture of Mr. McMurtry, with a link this time: www.luminist.org/archives/karls_karma.htmAt the risk of aggravating Jude... McMurtry has a very Lennonesque nose. Yes, he is very Lennonesque. This site has this page: www.luminist.org/archives/index.htmAll so hasheeshified. I did not know that Louisa May Alcott wrote a piece about young people doing hasheesh confections in a park. How saucey.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 27, 2008 19:02:58 GMT -5
Hey Doc:
I followed that link, and saw that Crowley wrote a series of stories about Simon Iff.
The second in Aleister Crowley’s first series of short stories starring his semi-autobiographical and quasi-Sherlockian sleuth, Simon Iff. First published in The International, October 1917, under the pseudonym Edward Kelly.
I wonder if there were 28 of them?
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Post by puzzled on Dec 31, 2008 2:39:22 GMT -5
Remember the Stein "Diamond in the Sky" I posted previously? Someone on another site noted that this crop circle was made 33 days prior to the Stein flyby: Too literal? Photo by "Lucy" Pringle I finally came across this image in my slow progress through the Rotten Apple thread: I stopped reading, once I saw the wiki article posted that stated Superstone = Rosetta Stone. Rosetta Mission is the NASA probe that photographed the images of Stein shown above, which Keith Laney of Hidden Mission [keithlaney.net] nicknamed "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." The German word Stein = Stone. www.universetoday.com/2008/08/04/rosetta-begins-tracking-asteroid-steins-for-flyby/ "Steins will remain a dot in the sky to the probe for quite a while, but these preliminary images will allow the spacecraft to get a better handle on the orbit of the asteroid, as well as its rotational period. Using the Optical, Spectroscopic, and Infrared Remote Imaging System (OSIRIS) camera, it will image the asteroid twice a week until the 25th of August, and then will take daily images until the planned flyby on September 5th." During the flyby of Steins, Rosetta will study the physical and chemical properties of the asteroid. It will also provide scientists with a detailed look into the kinematic properties (how fast it is spinning), [It is studying a Rolling Stone!] and how the asteroid interacts with the solar wind. Being so close to Stein will give Rosetta a chance to analyze any satellites of the asteroid, as well as the gas and dust in the near vicinity. "Rosetta launched in March 2004, and is taking a roundabout way to get to the final destination of comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko. It has passed by the Earth twice – once in March 2005, and once again in February 2007 – with another flyby scheduled for November 2009."
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 31, 2008 8:44:03 GMT -5
Remember the Stein "Diamond in the Sky" I posted previously? Someone on another site noted that this crop circle was made 33 days prior to the Stein flyby: Too literal? Photo by "Lucy" Pringle I finally came across this image in my slow progress through the Rotten Apple thread: I stopped reading, once I saw the wiki article posted that stated Superstone = Rosetta Stone. Rosetta Mission is the NASA probe that photographed the images of Stein shown above, which Keith Laney of Hidden Mission [keithlaney.net] nicknamed "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." The German word Stein = Stone. www.universetoday.com/2008/08/04/rosetta-begins-tracking-asteroid-steins-for-flyby/ "Steins will remain a dot in the sky to the probe for quite a while, but these preliminary images will allow the spacecraft to get a better handle on the orbit of the asteroid, as well as its rotational period. Using the Optical, Spectroscopic, and Infrared Remote Imaging System (OSIRIS) camera, it will image the asteroid twice a week until the 25th of August, and then will take daily images until the planned flyby on September 5th." During the flyby of Steins, Rosetta will study the physical and chemical properties of the asteroid. It will also provide scientists with a detailed look into the kinematic properties (how fast it is spinning), [It is studying a Rolling Stone!] and how the asteroid interacts with the solar wind. Being so close to Stein will give Rosetta a chance to analyze any satellites of the asteroid, as well as the gas and dust in the near vicinity. "Rosetta launched in March 2004, and is taking a roundabout way to get to the final destination of comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko. It has passed by the Earth twice – once in March 2005, and once again in February 2007 – with another flyby scheduled for November 2009." "Rosetta...sweet Loretta Fart, she thought she was a cleaner, but she was a frying pan..."Great info, puzzled! Especially this gem: "Optical, Spectroscopic, and Infrared Remote Imaging System (OSIRIS) camera"Those NASA types are HI, HI, HIlarious!
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Post by skyward on Dec 31, 2008 10:43:04 GMT -5
I finally came across this image in my slow progress through the Rotten Apple thread: I stopped reading, once I saw the wiki article posted that stated Superstone = Rosetta Stone. Rosetta Mission is the NASA probe that photographed the images of Stein shown above, which Keith Laney of Hidden Mission [keithlaney.net] nicknamed "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." The German word Stein = Stone. www.universetoday.com/2008/08/04/rosetta-begins-tracking-asteroid-steins-for-flyby/ "Steins will remain a dot in the sky to the probe for quite a while, but these preliminary images will allow the spacecraft to get a better handle on the orbit of the asteroid, as well as its rotational period. Using the Optical, Spectroscopic, and Infrared Remote Imaging System (OSIRIS) camera, it will image the asteroid twice a week until the 25th of August, and then will take daily images until the planned flyby on September 5th." During the flyby of Steins, Rosetta will study the physical and chemical properties of the asteroid. It will also provide scientists with a detailed look into the kinematic properties (how fast it is spinning), [It is studying a Rolling Stone!] and how the asteroid interacts with the solar wind. Being so close to Stein will give Rosetta a chance to analyze any satellites of the asteroid, as well as the gas and dust in the near vicinity. "Rosetta launched in March 2004, and is taking a roundabout way to get to the final destination of comet 67/P Churyumov-Gerasimenko. It has passed by the Earth twice – once in March 2005, and once again in February 2007 – with another flyby scheduled for November 2009." "Rosetta...sweet Loretta Fart, she thought she was a cleaner, but she was a frying pan..."Great info, puzzled! Especially this gem: "Optical, Spectroscopic, and Infrared Remote Imaging System (OSIRIS) camera"Those NASA types are HI, HI, HIlarious! On that SuperStone record sleeve, doesn't it seem that there is an image of a diamond that has been indented on the paper. There seems to be creases on the paper.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 31, 2008 11:53:05 GMT -5
"Rosetta...sweet Loretta Fart, she thought she was a cleaner, but she was a frying pan..."Great info, puzzled! Especially this gem: "Optical, Spectroscopic, and Infrared Remote Imaging System (OSIRIS) camera"Those NASA types are HI, HI, HIlarious! On that SuperStone record sleeve, doesn't it seem that there is an image of a diamond that has been indented on the paper. There seems to be creases on the paper.You're right, skyward. It appears to me that the padding (bubble wrap) inside of the sleeve is diamond-shaped, and that's what we're seeing.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 2, 2009 17:52:18 GMT -5
Grant, "Cults of the Shadow" Excerpts, Page 47-51
Horus is the Greek form of the Egyptian Har, Khar, or Khart, meaning a "child." The term was applied originally to the son of the mother in the primeval and Sabean Cult of the Seven Stars; and the first son was Set, typified by the Dog Star.
Horus became a name for the son as the sun only after the cults of the Goddess had been superseded by those of the God. The nature of the child was determined originally by astronomical observations and it varied according to the sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox. As a beam of white light assumes different colours on passing through a prism, so the sun assumed different aspects according to the position of the vernal colure. Thus, in an astronomical sense, the Har or child was identified with the Bull (Taurus), the Ram (Aries), the Fish (Pisces), the Sea-Goat (Capricorn), according to the constellation that formed the prism at the time of naming. Massey has shown that the seemingly sudden and unexpected introduction of the worship of the ram-headed Sebek-Ra at the commencement of the XIIIth dynasty, and its continuance to the end of the XVIIth dynasty, marked the change of colure which occurred at 2410 B.C., when the sun left the sign of Taurus and entered that of Aries. By such reckoning it has been possible to date the inauguration of the Era of Mena, the 1st Dynasty, by the sun's entry into Taurus in 4565 B.C. The length of time between these two dates, a period of 2,155 years, is that which the sun takes to traverse one of the twelve zodiacal signs. Horus, then, symbolizes solar or creative power plus the characteristics of the House in which it stays for a space of 2,155 years. Each successive Pharaoh was the living embodiment of the Phar or Har, as evidenced by the names they adopted. In the case of the XIIIth, or Sebek Dynasty, no less than eighteen Pharaohs bore the name of the ram-headed deity.
But the Har [or Khar] has also an occult significance. The child and the seed are synonymous. The child denotes, symbolically, the bud-will or seed-vibration latent in the creative energy of the magician (or priest), and the nature of the Har was determined by the direction of the priest's will at the moment of its projection into the matrix of the womb. [Letter B: I wonder if this isn't the "khar" in "Baby, you can drive my (kh)car?" as this is a projection of the will into the matrix? Similar to the definition of "Love?"] The formula of Horus the Child is therefore a magical formula involving the use of solar-phallic energy. Its full mechanism has nowhere been explained so fully as in the Indian Tantras, and in the West by Aleister Crowley, one of the major exponents of the Ophidian Current in modern times.
The seven stars of Ursa Major together with Set, the Dog Star, as the annual announcer of the Goddess, were reflected terrestrially as the sixteen sanctuaries of Osiris, eight in Upper Egypt, eight in lower Egypt.
The seven stars of this complex symbolized Night or Typhon and her brood of stars, to which at a later time was added the star of her first male child, Set or Sothis. It was he who manifested in the south the light of the Mother who ruled in the North, and who was the first giver of light in darkness and the first keeper of time: the Sabean Mother, Typhon, and her son, Set. [This makes me wonder why Yoko has put her Peace Light Tower so far North in Iceland?] Her name in Egyptian was Khept or Khef, from which the word devil derives, according to Massey.
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Post by B on Jan 2, 2009 18:46:13 GMT -5
All fascinating stuff, puzzled, and no doubt right on target. You should work for a detective agency.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 2, 2009 21:18:29 GMT -5
This section pertains to using sound and music, so I thought some might be interested:
Grant, "Cults of the Shadow"
In the Tantric systems the Sephiroth are equivalent to the chakras seen in clairvoyant vision, or during trance, as whorls of multi-colored lights revolving at varying speeds along the spinal column, the lesser lights glowing and pulsating like stars throughout the ganglionic network of nerves which constitutes the subtle anatomy of man. These rapidly revolving wheels of light emit a vibrant humming that is translated in terms of the various letters of the alphabet attributed to each chakra according to the pitch of its sound. In this way the Goddess manifests not only in the form of sound and vibration, i.e. as mantra, but also in the form of vectors of energy - the yantras denoting Her presence at the several power-zones in the subtle body. [Lily waves?]
If it is realized that both priestess and priest blend these vibrations in a single power-sound, it may be appreciated how subtle and how complex is the science of shabda (sound) when studied in relation to group workings in a fully functioning Kaula Circle of...Sound creates electricity and magnetism and electro-magnetic fields. Thus, the yantra of the Goddess is formed of the network of vectors connecting Her power-zones. Her mantra is the blent and ultimate vibration generated by the action of the kalas coursing through this ramification of nadis (nerves) tantra is the bringing down of these potencies to the mundane level of consciousness for utilization in the Kaula Circle. The latter is, in fact, the outer lotus, the cosmic enclosure - in symbolic form - that bounds the Goddess and all Her shaktis (energies) as typified by the Yantra of Dakshinakalika with its five triangles, fifteen steps, and the hidden bindu in the central yoni, the whole girt by an eight-petalled lotus typifying not only the eight directions of space but also the primary cross of four points and its reflection in the body of the priestess.
The chakras become fully energized only when the Fire Snake arrives at their several loci during Her ascent. Descriptions of the chakras, as given in textbooks on yoga, are misleading because the power-zones come into being only when the Fire Snake is active.
The letters, colours, sounds and shapes attributed to them vary according to the disposition of the practitioner and the degree of his spiritual competence. It is unlikely that any two 'maps' of the subtle regions would tally though there may be a general similarity in some cases. Great stress is placed, in Kaula doctrine, on that complex machine, the human brain. As with the greater body which surrounds it, as the macrocosm surrounds the microcosm, so to the brain are allotted various areas that are affected by the action of the Fire Snake and which, in their turn, influence the kalas released into the bloodstream of the suvasini. The four-faced image of Brahma is taken by the Kaulas to symbolize the corpora quadrigemina, the fourth ventricle of the brain. This region is affected powerfully by the Kundalini on its upward march. The pituitary body (third ventricle), and the pineal body (fifth ventricle) are similarly sensitive. They have been described as the Master Chakras in the brain and they have their corresponding centres in the Muladhara, Manipura, Svadisthana, etc; the power-zones corresponding to the elements Earth, Water, and Fire.
When the Fire Snake emits its luminous venom, it gushes over and permeates the entire body. This overflow contains ojas, the magical current that electrifies the cerebro-spinal fluid in the region of the sushumna (spinal canal).
So, why is Paul the "Fireman?" Is he Prometheus, who has delivered not mundane fire [in my opinion], but the sacred Fire Snake, which allowed humans to go beyond their normal boundaries? Could this be the indecipherable "menis" of Achilles? Instead of "anger" as most have translated it, perhaps he too was a prototype Fireman? His mother dipped him in the River Styx to burn away his mortal body, after all?
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Post by puzzled on Jan 2, 2009 21:54:05 GMT -5
I really do not have any opinion about whether the real Paul McCartney is alive or dead. Even though I have seen pictures of other people posing as him, I don't feel that gives me enough evidence to come to that conclusion. However, I found this quote about Crowley's ideas regarding a different kind of "death"
Page 114
In Liber LXXIII (The Urn), Crowley alludes to this death when he says that his present life came to an end in 1924; all the forces which had till then acted upon him having been worked out. [That reminds me of the Scientology concept of being "clear."]
The Path which Crowley made accessible to those able to dissolve the veils of illusion is the Path once pursued by the devotees of Shaitan, the antique "god" of Sumer; the self-same Path that was pursued by certain Gnostic Sects until Christian persecution drove them underground during the 6th century.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 3:37:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the compliment Mr. B. I have continued to transcribe some hopefully useful information from Grant's books. There are so many areas that link up with so many symbols that have been discussed here that I don't want to break it all up into the individual topics, but decided to lump it all into this Crowley OTO thread. I have found that to understand a symbolic system, you can't look at one individual symbol and only see it by itself. One example being the so-called zodiac sign from the Zodiac Killer. I went through the dictionaries that I have for alchemical, astrological and magickal symbols, and the individual symbols that are used can represent multitudes of meanings, depending on their context. There are cypher codes and alchemical alphabets and astrological planetary markers that all use the same exact symbols. So it becomes necessary to look at all the symbols being used and then search for the system that they all fit into. For me, so far, the O.T.O. and general Left Hand Path system has been a rather close fit for the Beatles imagery. Obviously I'm not the only one to come to that conclusion, so I hope it is useful for some of our research to post this information for everyone's consideration. I keep asking myself WHY? and even though many of you have alluded to this already, I found this information very interesting in regard to your other thread, Mr. B, about the potential messages regarding cloning. Maybe instead of, or in addition to that process, they have followed the same system that Crowley and Parsons worked toward with the Moonchild workings, but with all the planetary representatives of our solar system? "Cults of the Shadow" Page 135-136 The ultimate object of the O.T.O. was - and yet is - twofold: The O.T.O. in the Outer aims at preparing humanity for the next step on its journey towards the awakening of cosmic consciousness. This end it is achieving by producing Initiates who are able to awaken and control the subtle energies of the Fire Snake in the human body. By its use the Adept will achieve also the establishment upon earth of the Law of Thelema. On the other hand, the O.T.O. in the Inner aims at using the subtle energies of the Fire Snake for establishing a gate in space through which the extra-terrestrial or cosmic energies may enter in and manifest on earth. [If this is an accurate connection, then I feel that the other connections made to NASA missions might be more direct than I originally thought?]Crowley's novel, Moonchild, contains an account of a very ancient kind of magical operation designed to bring to birth a trans-terrestrial intelligence of lunar origin. A similar formula can be applied to any other planetary or stellar seat of power. [Could this explain all that SUN imagery with Paul/Faul?]Page 140-142 The secret cypher of AL involves the primal Mysteries in a manner that has baffled intensive research, part of the secret having been lost in the mists of tie, the other part, concerning subtle energies of the body-mind complex having not yet been fathomed. It is one of the aims of the O.T.O. in the Inner to discover a way of applying this cypher-combination so that it will yield the key to man's conscious intercourse with the denizens of extra-terrestrial and cosmic dimensions.There is another sense in which the center "T" of the initials O.T.O. may be interpreted, a sense that has special reference to Chapter 3, verse 22 of AL:
...I am the visible object of worship; the others are secret; for the Beast and his Bride are they; and for the winners of the Ordeal x. What is this? Thou shalt know.
Applying this to the O.T.O. glyph we find that the cross - x - or Tau, is the 'visible object of worship', while the two Os, one on each side of the 'T' - here called 'the others' - represent the Beast and the Scarlet Woman, the two eyes of Ra. The Ordeal x, or the Ordeal of the Tau, is the Ordeal of the Cross or the crossing. According to Hislop, the Sign of the Cross was at first the emblem of Teitan or Sheitan himself. [Does this relate to the exaggerated 'T' in the Beatles logo? Could it stand for Tau?]
...On inquiry, it will actually be found, that while Saturn was the name of the visible head, Teitan was the name of the invisible head of the Beast. Teitan is just the Chaldaen form of Sheitan, the very name by which Satan has been called from time immemorial by the Devil-worshippers of Kurdistan...
The Ordeal x, therefore, is the Ordeal wherein the candidate for initiation realizes within himself the identity of Shaitan and Osiris. This explains why, in the ancient Mysteries, Osiris was known as the Black God. Set, or Shaitan, means the 'black' or 'burnt' one. This Ordeal was undergone in secret because of the sexual nature of the crossing, which was enacted between the Beast and the Scarlet Woman. They were typified - in this Ordeal - by an actual beast in congress with a woman. An example of this rite was mentioned by Herodotus. It occurred in Egypt at the Temple of Het Baint in the Mendesian Nome of the Goat God. The purpose of the crossing was to produce a non-human being with supernormal powers and intelligence. In the Mysteries, the colour black is synonymous with death, represented by Osiris, and with sex, typified by the ithyphallic Khem (with the Tau erect). Crowley endeavoured to reproduce this rite in his Abbey of Thelema in 1921 when he 'offered the body of BABALON to the Virgin He-Goat; but he refused her.'
The goat is symbolic of reification and therefore, by inference, of the Scarlet Woman whose mythical number - seven - when multiplied by 11 (the number of magick), becomes 77, or Oz, which means a goat, being "The Sublime and Supreme Septenary in its mature magical manifestation through matter; as it is written: An He-Goat Also.'
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jan 3, 2009 9:55:26 GMT -5
Tremendous stuf, puzz! Are you doing this research on the internet, or is an entire wing of your house a library?
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Post by B on Jan 3, 2009 9:56:33 GMT -5
I see a "T" ..... puzzled wrote: "The Ordeal x, therefore, is the Ordeal wherein the candidate for initiation realizes within himself the identity of Shaitan and Osiris. This explains why, in the ancient Mysteries, Osiris was known as the Black God. Set, or Shaitan, means the 'black' or 'burnt' one. This Ordeal was undergone in secret because of the sexual nature of the crossing, which was enacted between the Beast and the Scarlet Woman. They were typified - in this Ordeal - by an actual beast in congress with a woman. An example of this rite was mentioned by Herodotus....The purpose of the crossing was to produce a non-human being with supernormal powers and intelligence.
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In the Mysteries, the colour black is synonymous with death, represented by Osiris, and with sex, typified by the ithyphallic Khem (with the Tau erect)."I suspect, then, that the burned post in the rotten apple videos may represent an effort that was made to perform this ritual. I have always felt that the song "Light My Fire" by The Doors was a bit peculiar. "Our love become a funeral pyre". Paul disappears... Faul shows up. All too awful to contemplate, but on the alternate White album cover Paul is shown in a boat, as if crossing the river Styx. Paul in red on "boat", wormhole opening, ufo: Paul's soul becomes the "blackbird" (outlined in white) of Osiris: He wants us to fly (as he alledgedly did): Paul McCartney - I Want You To Flywww.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKJaVZDU38
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 10:12:20 GMT -5
Fortunately pdf's don't take up much space. The internet has given me access to books that I would never be able to read in the real world, as my local library doesn't have a section on goat sex. I hope someone appreciates my sacrifice, as feces eating, menstruation and beastiality aren't my favorite topics, but I don't see any other way of understanding why this group does the things they do. It is impossible to examine their behaviors by using typical human parameters. And to Man of Few Words: ??
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 10:39:09 GMT -5
Thanks Mr. B for adding a few more words.
What if Paul McCartney became an Initiate in 1966, and therefore was "dead" to his old self, but not physically dead?
I hope to find out more information about the initiation process, if possible. I understand there probably isn't much written as the 'secrets' tend to be passed orally, but I am intrigued in the possibility. There are quotes from Crowley who concluded that the fake acted-out initiation process of Masons wasn't impacting enough to make an initiate make a real life-changing commitment. Apparently based on that understanding, the "Blue Pill or Red Pill" scenario was devised. An on-the-spot decision had to be made by the Initiate without the normal information needed to make such a decision. This ability to let go of normal ideas of security and jump off that cliff like 'The Fool' is required to walk this path.
Upon consideration I'm afraid that I won't be joining any secret societies. My own experiences have made me very cautious of trusting others, and if someone came to me with a crazy 'Now or Never' scenario, I'm afraid I would knee them in the groin and run. ;D
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 10:54:53 GMT -5
Hey B: You posted that this Beatles logo is reminiscent of a wormhole: That reminded me of a geometric image that was created by another member at HiddenMission who came up with this graphic based on the hyperdimensional physics model of the Stargate: I'm thinking they may not be quite this colorful, but then the 2001 Space Odysey version was pretty colorful. Another concept I found very interesting was an author stating that the reason they discuss the idea of immortality is not to maintain a longer physical life necessarily. If any of you have spent time meditating, sometimes you can have an experience of feeling that the cells of your body go shooting off into all directions, leaving you feeling very L..A..R..G..E - and lacking boundaries. The idea of practice and training is so that when you die and this experience happens where your bodily cells are no longer held together by your physical body, that an Adept learns how to maintain their cells together so that when they reincarnate into another body, their entire self is maintained and not reshuffled after death. Having had this experience once unexpectedly and for a very short duration, I can see the necessity to maintain a sense of self in that kind of situation - it aint easy.
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Post by B on Jan 3, 2009 13:21:20 GMT -5
Fascinating material, puzzled. You have found the exact image, apparently. Nice work! puzzled wrote: "I hope someone appreciates my sacrifice, as feces eating, menstruation and beastiality aren't my favorite topics, but I don't see any other way of understanding why this group does the things they do. It is impossible to examine their behaviors by using typical human parameters."Well it's a disgusting job, and I'm glad you're doing it! ;D Never cared much for Crowley myself. Neither, evidentally, did the Golden Dawn. He is described fictionally in one of the stories of "The Secrets of Dr. Traverner" by Dion Fortune (Violet Firth). about Dion Fortune: www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3404708018.htmlThis part: "Other historians speculate that she turned in a new direction and had sought the help of Aleister Crowley in her efforts."is unfortunate, if true, imo. "During World War II, Fortune continued the work of the Fraternity of the Inner Light during Nazi bombing of London. She attempted to apply magic against Great Britain's enemies in a project she eventually published as The Magical Battle of Britain. She died in 1946, one week after being diagnosed with leukemia. The Society of the Inner Light continued..."
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 18:51:49 GMT -5
I've also come to the conclusion that much of the seemingly nonsensical words that end up in songs are in fact magickal chanting. For instance, "Ob La De, Ob La Da" are definitely words in the Crowley system. The 'Ob' and the 'Od' are the two sides of the energy pole, the vulture and the snake, the yin and the yang, and LA means understanding or wisdom. It is important to examine the words phonetically, and not by the spelling.
Another thing I noticed after viewing a few Manson interviews is the machinations he goes through with his body. I am certain that most people see these things and just dismiss it as he is "crazy," but he is casting spells right in front of his interviewers and directly at the camera.
Here is an amusing video where someone has put some of Charlie's movements to music. Amusing and worrisome I should say, as our ignorance of such workings could be a significant oversight in our supposed technological society. Note the little speech he gives first:
In another video Charlie asks one of his keepers "How was your goat?" I saw that none of the commentary regarding this statement actually addressed what was really being communicated in that statement.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 19:22:21 GMT -5
Here is the clip as it was originally without the music. Please note that Manson announces that he is not a "Phoney!"
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Post by B on Jan 3, 2009 19:47:52 GMT -5
You're coming up with all kinds of interesting and hitherto unmentioned material, puzzled, though Charlie really is nuts. If the Beatles were putting spells in their music, they weren't the first to do so: Badass Babaluwww.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuYAnd just to be clear, I think that the "A Day in the Life" recording session was unquestionably a ritual, so yes, there was some of that going on, I suspect. about Babalu Ayeen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalu_Aye"In the religious system of Orisha worship, Babalu Aye (also known as Omolu, Shonponno, Obaluaye and Sakpata) is the spirit of illness and disease.... He is known as the deity associated with illness and disease, but is also the deity that cures same. He is appeased on the earth and cool water is one of the mainstays of his appeasement." ----------------------------------------------- So Ricky's little theme song was "good for what ails you". Perhaps the listeners all felt better after hearing it, and ran out to buy the record.
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Post by iameye on Jan 3, 2009 19:55:21 GMT -5
I've also come to the conclusion that much of the seemingly nonsensical words that end up in songs are in fact magickal chanting. For instance, "Ob La De, Ob La Da" are definitely words in the Crowley system. The 'Ob' and the 'Od' are the two sides of the energy pole, the vulture and the snake, the yin and the yang, and LA means understanding or wisdom. It is important to examine the words phonetically, and not by the spelling. Another thing I noticed after viewing a few Manson interviews is the machinations he goes through with his body. I am certain that most people see these things and just dismiss it as he is "crazy," but he is casting spells right in front of his interviewers and directly at the camera. Here is an amusing video where someone has put some of Charlie's movements to music. Amusing and worrisome I should say, as our ignorance of such workings could be a significant oversight in our supposed technological society. Note the little speech he gives first: In another video Charlie asks one of his keepers "How was your goat?" I saw that none of the commentary regarding this statement actually addressed what was really being communicated in that statement. I agree with the phonetic importance of these words and others, puzzled. That's an oft underplayed aspect of some etymology, imo.... as for words used in the music biz specifically used in "spells" ... I've mentioned earlier somewhere that "former" ( and whereabouts unknown), former "Illuminati" cult member John Todd tells in great detail just such a practice.....so it's less and less far fetched that it may seem........
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Post by B on Jan 3, 2009 20:08:50 GMT -5
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 20:59:27 GMT -5
Mr. B wrote:
"You're coming up with all kinds of interesting and hitherto unmentioned material, puzzled, though Charlie really is nuts."
I'm not too sure I agree with you on that point. I've been listening to his interviews, and although I acknowledge he is in Interview Mode, I don't see insanity there. He purposefully plays with people, obviously feels superior, but you have to listen carefully to the seemingly crazy things he says. He is using words that have different meanings.
I suppose there could be a point made that anyone that is a satanist is automatically crazy. But then I've had the same reaction to christians who claim to follow a god they know nothing about, not even bothering to read the bible they say they have faith in. I guess crazy tends to be subjective.
Iameye - I know you've touched on many of these same topics before. As I mentioned, it gets hard to determine which findings should be parcelled out to which thread. I figure I'm safe throwing all the OTO stuff into a Crowley thread, and if anyone is interested in this topic then they know where to find it.
I'm doing my best to look through different eyes, and try to understand how people can justify these kinds of manipulations. It is difficult for me not to make judgment about, as any form of deceit is personally repulsive to me - but if I look at it with my own eyes, none of it will make any sense. I understand that no one sees themselves as The Bad Guy. We always justify what we do. I suppose the only thing I've been able to identify so far is that they justify their methods because they believe the overall outcome is worthy and important. Based on previous experience, I'd say that is just another mental game that people play to justify doing what they want to do - which in this case involves a lot of manipulation and control of others.
That icky Babalu number is a perfect example - I find that just as offensive as Madonna's ritual with Britney, but the general population sees all this as nonsense. Even if you don't believe in spiritual issues, anyone should be able to recognize how music gets into your brain in a way that nothing else does.
Plop, plop, fizz, fizz...Oh what a relief it is! How many years has it been since that little ditty has been on television, and yet I just think of that line and the whole advertisement is instantly in my head?
God created the world with a WORD - by uttering SOUND from his mouth. That means that God would have had a mental idea of what he wanted to exist, and spoke it into being, by forming the raw materials of the universe into matter, giving it form. This is what the OTO and other Left Hand Path followers are attempting to do as well. If God created us in his image, maybe that was his intention?
I just want to state again that I do not have any specific agenda here, and I am not even anti-Set, any more than I am anti-Jesus. All I want is to understand the truth. I am anti-liars, and they come from all camps, unfortunately.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 3, 2009 21:21:37 GMT -5
At the beginning of the Penny Daniels interview Charlie is negotiating with the film crew about making him a personal tape to mail to his friend Nick Bougas in Hollywood. The interviewer doesn't commit and says she isn't aware of this agreement, but Charlie asks her why would he be doing this interview unless they were going to do something for him?
I am not familiar with this person - does this connect any dots as far as him having personal correspondence with this Nick Bougas in Hollywood?
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