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Post by whammo on May 28, 2011 12:45:00 GMT -5
What I see happening whether it is intentional or not is that the beatles have trained us by "hiding in plain sight" things that are not quite right. Then when questioned about them they give glib answers. Two quick examples off the top of my head:
1) Why the black carnation? Paul says: "They ran out of red ones".
There is no such thing in nature as a black carnation as far as I know, they must be painted this color on purpose. I don't suspect there is a huge market for black carnations, do you? So they could not manage to find 4 identical carnations, really?
2) Why the sandals on Abbey Road? "It was hot."
What? Anyone here ever walk barefoot on hot black asphalt? It burns like Hell!
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Post by B on May 28, 2011 13:59:08 GMT -5
Yep. "Paul" after 1966 was a liar.
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Post by Valis on May 28, 2011 14:08:32 GMT -5
"Sign O"The Times, Mess With Your Minds"
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on May 28, 2011 16:09:53 GMT -5
If you stick a white carnations in black food coloring dye, it'll suck up all the dye and turn black.
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Post by whammo on May 28, 2011 16:28:32 GMT -5
If you stick a white carnations in black food coloring dye, it'll suck up all the dye and turn black. Seems like an allegory, doesn't it?
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Post by jarvitronics on May 28, 2011 16:46:38 GMT -5
If you stick a white carnations in black food coloring dye, it'll suck up all the dye and turn black. Seems like an allegory, doesn't it? -j
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Post by whammo on May 28, 2011 18:49:36 GMT -5
Seems like an allegory, doesn't it? -j He painted his hair black around this time too, didn't he? Then there's the old "hand over the head" nonsense. Here is an interesting pic I found of that one, not very subtle!
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Post by Valis on May 28, 2011 19:12:56 GMT -5
that pic is looking like so many of the band those days, George and Ringo look sad/fake happy, John like he totally lost his mind PTS and Bill like a naive kid who thinks he won the lottery.
Alls so clear IMO
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Post by JoJo on May 29, 2011 23:12:05 GMT -5
I bought a 16MM print of Mystery Tour a while back.. Watching the 'carnation scene', I saw red peeking out from behind the black on the carnation. Never mentioned it before because trying to take pictures and/or record with a video camera I couldn't reproduce it so.. But you can see it when projected.
Maybe we'll have a screening during the 2012 Valis tour. ;D
"They were out of red carnations" is not necessarily a lie if he was the last to get a carnation and the only one left was the one dyed black.. That statement addresses why he wore it, but not why a black one was there in the first place of course. (but no one asked that question did they?)
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Post by ipuffin on May 29, 2011 23:33:15 GMT -5
I bought a 16MM print of Mystery Tour a while back.. Watching the 'carnation scene', I saw red peeking out from behind the black on the carnation. Never mentioned it before because trying to take pictures and/or record with a video camera I couldn't reproduce it so.. But you can see it when projected. Maybe we'll have a screening during the 2012 Valis tour. ;D "They were out of red carnations" is not necessarily a lie if he was the last to get a carnation and the only one left was the one dyed black.. That statement addresses why he wore it, but not why a black one was there in the first place of course. (but no one asked that question did they?) Yes, that's true, but for once I'd like to hear someone admit that it MAY have been because Paul was trying to get all the attention, and practically "be" the Beatles (in the Louis XIV sense). And he succeeded! - as a child I was under the clear impression that Paul was the groups main vocalist and leader, that was the logical conclusion. But he was supposed to be first mate! How did Starbuck take command? ;D
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Post by iameye on May 30, 2011 5:25:07 GMT -5
I bought a 16MM print of Mystery Tour a while back.. Watching the 'carnation scene', I saw red peeking out from behind the black on the carnation. Never mentioned it before because trying to take pictures and/or record with a video camera I couldn't reproduce it so.. But you can see it when projected. Maybe we'll have a screening during the 2012 Valis tour. ;D "They were out of red carnations" is not necessarily a lie if he was the last to get a carnation and the only one left was the one dyed black.. That statement addresses why he wore it, but not why a black one was there in the first place of course. (but no one asked that question did they?) Yes, that's true, but for once I'd like to hear someone admit that it MAY have been because Paul was trying to get all the attention, and practically "be" the Beatles (in the Louis XIV sense). And he succeeded! - as a child I was under the clear impression that Paul was the groups main vocalist and leader, that was the logical conclusion. But he was supposed to be first mate! How did Starbuck take command? ;D he one m'Joe filter ;D www.starbucks.com/blog/so-who-is-the-sirenlol Mr Morning Joe rising! you want some peace and understanding? It's coming up! we're nearly there!! ;D
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Post by lilyknows on May 30, 2011 7:27:07 GMT -5
2) Why the sandals on Abbey Road? "It was hot." What? Anyone here ever walk barefoot on hot black asphalt? It burns like Hell! I always understood it this way: It was a warm/hot day so Paul wore sandals. (U can see that in some of the shots). Finally he dropped the sandals because having ugly sandals on your feet while shooting your album cover is not very cool. Probably the photographer told him to drop them. But the thing why he had no shoes on was: "because it was a hot day". no prob there
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Post by 65if2007 on May 30, 2011 14:31:07 GMT -5
2) Why the sandals on Abbey Road? "It was hot." What? Anyone here ever walk barefoot on hot black asphalt? It burns like Hell! I always understood it this way: It was a warm/hot day so Paul wore sandals. (U can see that in some of the shots). Finally he dropped the sandals because having ugly sandals on your feet while shooting your album cover is not very cool. Probably the photographer told him to drop them. But the thing why he had no shoes on was: "because it was a hot day". no prob there You're still missing the point. If it was a hot day, how and why would anyone attempt to walk on asphalt with bare feet? If walking around barefoot on hot pavement is such a natural reaction to the weather, why aren't the others doing that? Not wanting to have uncool ugly sandals on one's feet isn't an explanation. The Beatles set trends, and the scene on Abbey Road is a surrealistic one anyway, as was the scene on Sgt. Pepper. Anyway, Ian McMillain's story was that McCartney had come in originally barefooted -- not that he'd worn sandals and kicked them off.
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Post by lilyknows on May 30, 2011 14:43:21 GMT -5
no, no, he did wear sandals at first. you can see that on quite a few photos. and they look stupid.
my point is, how would you know if it was so hot that you couldn't walk on the asphalt? It's london not california...
fact is: he did not were shoes. fact is: he wore sandals and kicked them of. fact is: abbey road was recorded during the summer.
everything else is just speculation.
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Post by JoJo on May 30, 2011 20:21:16 GMT -5
everything else is just speculation. That's kinda what we do here.. (that's an observation)
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Post by ipuffin on May 30, 2011 20:42:29 GMT -5
my point is, how would you know if it was so hot that you couldn't walk on the asphalt? It's london not california... you've hit the coffin-nail on it's head there. Bravo! What's more, let's not forget the times. At the summer of 1969, a lot of people were going barefoot in all sorts of places... ;D (but not on MA prop'ty they wont, fucken' hippies!) lol BTW speaking of coffin nails, what ever happened of this horrible rumor that they were going to shoop-out the cigarette from future pressing of the CD?
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Post by jarvitronics on May 30, 2011 20:58:30 GMT -5
lol ;D ;D ;D -j
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Post by 65if2007 on May 30, 2011 22:19:06 GMT -5
no, no, he did wear sandals at first. you can see that on quite a few photos. and they look stupid. my point is, how would you know if it was so hot that you couldn't walk on the asphalt? It's london not california... fact is: he did not were shoes. fact is: he wore sandals and kicked them of. fact is: abbey road was recorded during the summer. everything else is just speculation. No, pay attention! This is not rocket science! Of COURSE, everything concerning this subject matter is speculation. That goes without saying. People who claim to KNOW or who claim to be SURE of anything are fooling themselves. Sandals do not look any more "stupid" than severed dolls heads covered with blood. Wearing sandals isn't any more "stupid" than taking LSD and discussing it publicly. The Beatles, as I said before, for better or worse, were trend-setters, and it makes no sense to suppose that none of them would wear a pair of sandals just because some viewers might find them to be "stupid". But even if he wore sandals to begin with, he wasn't photographed wearing them in the final cover shot. He was photographed in bare feet. Hot weather will lead to hot asphalt whether the asphalt is in London or California. That's just a law of nature. You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth. You say, "It's hot. That's why he took his shoes off, to feel more comfortable." Then when you're asked why he would feel more comfortable walking on hot asphalt in his bare feet. you turn around and argue, "Why shouldn't he? It wasn't hot." If walking around in bare feet was the best way to ESCAPE the effects of the heat -- rather than EXPOSING oneself to them -- then why aren't the others also walking around in bare feet?
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Post by ipuffin on May 30, 2011 22:42:47 GMT -5
personally, I would find it a bit stupid if he wore flip-flops on the cover.
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Post by lilyknows on May 31, 2011 2:06:57 GMT -5
no, no, he did wear sandals at first. you can see that on quite a few photos. and they look stupid. my point is, how would you know if it was so hot that you couldn't walk on the asphalt? It's london not california... fact is: he did not were shoes. fact is: he wore sandals and kicked them of. fact is: abbey road was recorded during the summer. everything else is just speculation. No, pay attention! This is not rocket science! Of COURSE, everything concerning this subject matter is speculation. That goes without saying. People who claim to KNOW or who claim to be SURE of anything are fooling themselves. Sandals do not look any more "stupid" than severed dolls heads covered with blood. Wearing sandals isn't any more "stupid" than taking LSD and discussing it publicly. The Beatles, as I said before, for better or worse, were trend-setters, and it makes no sense to suppose that none of them would wear a pair of sandals just because some viewers might find them to be "stupid". But even if he wore sandals to begin with, he wasn't photographed wearing them in the final cover shot. He was photographed in bare feet. Hot weather will lead to hot asphalt whether the asphalt is in London or California. That's just a law of nature. You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth. You say, "It's hot. That's why he took his shoes off, to feel more comfortable." Then when you're asked why he would feel more comfortable walking on hot asphalt in his bare feet. you turn around and argue, "Why shouldn't he? It wasn't hot." If walking around in bare feet was the best way to ESCAPE the effects of the heat -- rather than EXPOSING oneself to them -- then why aren't the others also walking around in bare feet? you are twisting my argumentation: i said that because it was a "hot" day, he was wearing no shoes - but sandals! (fact). And he kicked them of (for whatever reason). My SPECULATION (thats what we do here, right?) is, that he kicked them of because they looked ugly ass stupid. go and take a look at the outtakes, this is not trendsetting. It would be WAY cooler to walk barefoot..(and it was) as for the "hot asphalt"- i live in europe and on a "hot" day (like today it is) i can easily walk on every asphalt barefooded, even during midday. You would need a very, very hot day for the asphalt to heat up. Not a day on which you were wearing suits and denim like the Beatles did on the cover. what is your point anyway? that the ciggy is a death-clue?
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Post by iameye on May 31, 2011 4:54:14 GMT -5
what is your point anyway? that the ciggy is a death-clue? The Fireman's Pentecost on Abbey Road? It was a Hot Day! You don't know how lucky you are, boy!
back in the USSR! www.abbeyroad.com/visit/Goethe records an old peasant proverb relating to Pentecost in his "Sankt-Rochus-Fest zu Bingen" - Ripe strawberries at Pentecost mean a good wine crop. lol paperback bag, honey, on my knee Man, I had a dreadful flight
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Post by lilyknows on May 31, 2011 5:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on May 31, 2011 5:55:49 GMT -5
Nothing is Real
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Post by lilyknows on May 31, 2011 9:23:30 GMT -5
this would make an equally useful contribution: AÖÄDJASÄÖDKASÄÖLKDAÄSÖK;LDÖ:S-;KDÄLÖY;KDÄÖSLKDÄ'Ö sdsd-öl<kansdökamsöfdmaöslfmdöalmfaöldsmfa S-DMS-DMKS-LÖDK;MS AS'DÄLaökdäöoASJDFÖASJFÖDSJFDFJKDHFKksjdsd But i guess that would count as spam?
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Post by 65if2007 on May 31, 2011 23:54:34 GMT -5
No, pay attention! This is not rocket science! Of COURSE, everything concerning this subject matter is speculation. That goes without saying. People who claim to KNOW or who claim to be SURE of anything are fooling themselves. Sandals do not look any more "stupid" than severed dolls heads covered with blood. Wearing sandals isn't any more "stupid" than taking LSD and discussing it publicly. The Beatles, as I said before, for better or worse, were trend-setters, and it makes no sense to suppose that none of them would wear a pair of sandals just because some viewers might find them to be "stupid". But even if he wore sandals to begin with, he wasn't photographed wearing them in the final cover shot. He was photographed in bare feet. Hot weather will lead to hot asphalt whether the asphalt is in London or California. That's just a law of nature. You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth. You say, "It's hot. That's why he took his shoes off, to feel more comfortable." Then when you're asked why he would feel more comfortable walking on hot asphalt in his bare feet. you turn around and argue, "Why shouldn't he? It wasn't hot." If walking around in bare feet was the best way to ESCAPE the effects of the heat -- rather than EXPOSING oneself to them -- then why aren't the others also walking around in bare feet? you are twisting my argumentation: Oh no, I'm sure that I'm not doing anything terrible like that. Whatever it is that you just said that I'm doing, I'm sure that I'm not doing it. And my DECLARATION -- because no speculation is needed -- is that ugly ass stupid is more applicable to certain people than it is to inamimate objects. As far as inanimate objects go, severed doll's heads are much more stupid than sandals. The idea that any of the Beatles would have refused to wear sandals because some viewers would disapprove of their fashion sense has to be just plain wrong. Then why aren't the other three Beatles walking barefoot if walking barefoot is both more comfortable and trendsetting? I think that this is the third time that I've put this question to you. I don't know what a "ciggy" is. Is it European for "I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth and pretending that it's the result of a language barrier"? If one is dressing for comfort and it's a hot day, one strips off suits and denim before one takes off one's shoes. No one ever says, "Boy, it's hot here! I'm going to take off my shoes!"
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