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Post by pepper on Jun 2, 2013 14:06:04 GMT -5
the song was released in january 1967, after jpm 'disappeared'. could it be that he was 'coming and going' on his own accord to work with the band? i know that 'ruby' is allegedly about Linda Keith, but. m. faithful says brian jones actually wrote the song, so tara browne pops to mind, and another theory that was already proposed in this forum - that tara and paul were lovers, and paul was somehow responsible for his death and retired from the band... first thing i associate with ruby is blood, and tuesday was 'the day of mars' for romans. from wikipedia:
Etymology [edit] The name Tuesday derives from the Old English "Tiwesdæg" and literally means "Tiw's Day".[1] Tiw is the Old English form of the Proto-Germanic god *Tîwaz, or Týr in Norse, a god of war and law.[2][3] *Tîwaz derives from the Proto-Indo-European base *dei-, *deyā-, *dīdyā-, meaning 'to shine', whence comes also such words as "deity".[4] The Latin name dies Martis ("day of Mars") is equivalent to the Greek ἡμέρα Ἄρεως. In most languages with Latin origins (French, Spanish, Catalan, Italian, Romanian, Galician, Sardinian, Corsican, but not Portuguese), the day is named after Mars, the Roman god of war.
In some Slavic languages the word Tuesday originated from Old Church Slavonic word въторъ meaning "the second" (Serbian: уторак (utorak)). Bulgarian and Russian "Вторник" (Vtornik) is derived from the Bulgarian and Russian adjective for 'Second' - "Втори" (Vtori) or "Второй" (Vtoroi)
In Japanese, the word Tuesday is 火曜日(ka youbi), meaning 'fire day' and is associated with 火星 (kasei): Mars (the planet), literally meaning "fire star". Similarly, in Korean the word Tuesday is 화요일 (hwa yo il), also meaning fire day.
In the Indo-Aryan languages Pali and Sanskrit, as well as in Thailand, the name of the day is taken from Angaraka ('one who is red in colour')[5] a style (manner of address) for Mangal, the god of war, and for Mars, the red planet. In the Nahuatl language, Tuesday is Huītzilōpōchtōnal (Nahuatl pronunciation: [wiːt͡siloːpoːt͡ʃˈtoːnaɬ]) meaning "day of Huitzilopochtli". Religious observances [edit]
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, Tuesdays are dedicated to Saint John the Baptist. The Octoechos contains hymns on this theme, arranged in an eight-week cycle, that are chanted on Tuesdays throughout the year. At the end of Divine Services on Tuesday, the dismissal begins with the words: "May Christ our True God, through the intercessions of his most-pure Mother, of the honorable and glorious Prophet, Forerunner and Baptist John…" Cultural references [edit]
In the Greek world, Tuesday (the day of the week of the Fall of Constantinople) is considered an unlucky day. The same is true in the Spanish-speaking world. For both Greeks and Spanish-speakers, the 13th of the month is considered unlucky if it falls on Tuesday, instead of Friday. In Judaism, on the other hand, Tuesday is considered a particularly lucky day, because in the first chapter of Genesis the paragraph about this day contains the phrase "it was good" twice. In the Thai solar calendar, the day is named for the Pali word for the planet Mars, which also means "Ashes of the Dead";[6] the color associated with Tuesday is pink. In the folk rhyme Monday's Child, "Tuesday's child is full of grace".
so, with tuesday we have mars, the god of war, the shining/deity, the second, (the second paul?) john the baptist (beheaded in a crash?) tuesday's child full of grace (honourable tara browne?)
also: ruby is a variety of corundum. wordplay - 'ruby' is a conundrum? and, according to great revelations from jarface, perhaps could fit in somehow on the pepper cover invanddis.proboards.com/thread/5758,
She would never say where she came from Yesterday don't matter when it's gone While the sun is bright Or in the darkest night No one knows She comes and goes Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday Who could hang a name on you? When you smile with every new day Still I'm gonna miss you... Don't question why she needs to be so free She'll tell you it's the only way to be She just can't be chained To a life where nothing's gained And nothing's lost At such a cost There's no time to lose, I heard her say Catch your dreams before they slip away Dying all the time Lose your dreams And you will lose your mind. Ain't life unkind? Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday Who could hang a name on you? When you smile with every new day Still I'm gonna miss you...
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Post by pepper on Jun 2, 2013 14:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by linus on Jun 2, 2013 15:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by pepper on Jun 2, 2013 15:37:08 GMT -5
thanks, linus. still so much stuff to read here. sorry for repeats.
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Post by linus on Jun 2, 2013 15:53:14 GMT -5
No problem. It does take months to read through this forum. Sometimes a trick is to go to Google and type invanddis, then Ruby Tuesday, for example. That will pop up all the threads here which mention Ruby Tuesday. The search function here at the forum is not very reliable.
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Post by pepper on Jun 2, 2013 17:48:20 GMT -5
will do, thanks again. there is more on rubies if someone is interested: The ruby is the most commonly mentioned stone in the Bible. It is said the ruby was the most precious of the twelve stones made by God when He created the world. According to the Old Testament's Book of Exodus, God commanded a ruby be the first stone placed on Aaron’s breastplate. The Book of Job implies rubies were held in high esteem when Job declares “the price of wisdom is above rubies”. This thinking is repeated in Proverbs 31, which states: “A virtuous wife is worth more than rubies”. The Power of the Ruby Such was the esteem and respect for rubies that anyone wearing one was said to be blessed with wisdom, health, wealth and great success in love. Those fortunate enough to acquire a ruby gained the ability to live in peace and harmony among enemies, and were assured of a lifetime of spiritual health and well-being. Some cultures believe the stone bestowed invulnerability upon their owners. As the stone of prophecy rubies are said to darken to warn of imminent danger. The gemstone is said to act as an antidote to poison and possess the ability to heal the blood. Royalty and the Ruby For these reasons the ruby has become the gemstone most allied with royalty. Sovereign heads would wear rubies or keep them close at hand for protection, and to warn them of impending danger. Their gift of prophecy was thought to give rulers the ability to make wise decisions on behalf of their state and its citizens. The word for ruby in the ancient Indian Sanskrit language translates to “king of precious stones”. In Asia rubies were revered, and used to decorate nobles’ armour, sword scabbards and harness. Warriors sometimes wore rubies for their protective abilities during battle. Rubies were placed underneath a building’s foundations to bless the structure with good fortune. The Ruby in Medicine Ancient cultures used rubies to treat digestive, blood and heart ailments. When rubbed on the skin a ruby is said to restore youth and vitality. A ruby can aid the early formation and development of a foetus in pregnancy, and is effective against stimulants like coffee and drugs. Rubies represent passion, desire and devotion, and are supposed to heal heartbreak. Naturally its wonderful colour make fire and blood the elements most affiliated with the ruby. It was believed all rubies contained a fire that could never be concealed, not even when the stone was worn under clothing. This energy could be transferred into water, so a ruby placed in water would cause the liquid to boil. The word “ruby” is derived from the Latin “ruber”, meaning “red”. Ancient Indian Vedic Astrology associates the ruby with the sun.As Hindu people belong to different sects according to their respective gods, so they classfied rubies into four separate sects These ranged from the most valued and darkest red stones to the less popular, lighter coloured ones. During medieval times rubies were segregated, with the darker coloured stones being classed as “male” over the lighter “female” stones. Ruby Traditions The ruby is the traditional gift for fifteenth and fortieth wedding anniversaries. It is the gemstone associated with July, and represents the astrological sign Cancer. The ruby’s day is Tuesday, and its season is summer. (Release Date: 4 July 1966, movie 'the wrong box' was released: Storyline: A tontine is established for a dozen children, a tontine being a kind of bet/insurance, money is put in for each to grow with interest and the last survivor is to get the lot. We watch the group dwindle until only two brothers are left. One brother is watched by his nephews who will keep him alive at all costs, the other lives in ill health and poverty as the only support of his fairly stupid grandson. Statues and bodies are switched, in the wrong boxes until everyone is sure someone has died. Now if they can only make it seem as if the other brother died first, hundreds of thousands of pounds (in Victorian England when a pound was a pound) will be theirs. Taglines: Virtuous maidens...cunning cousins...dastardly deeds...bodies in barrels...and boxes and boxes of boxes! Quotes: Queen Victoria: In recognition of your many and varied services to the crown, I dub thee... [the sword descends too fast] Queen Victoria: Oh. We are frightfully sorry, Sir Robert. Morris Finsbury: Now what we need is a venal doctor. John Finsbury: But - Uncle Joseph's dead! It's too late! Morris Finsbury: Not for him, for us! Now, you remember that chambermaid you got into... um... John Finsbury: ...thing. Morris Finsbury: Thing. Who was the doctor who did the, um... John Finsbury: ...thing. Uh, Pratt, Dr. Pratt. Morris Finsbury: Was he venal? John Finsbury: I - I didn't like to ask. Morris Finsbury: Well, did he do the... John Finsbury: ...thing. Yes. Morris Finsbury: Good. John Finsbury: But... what's he got to do with it? Morris Finsbury: He's part of the plan. Now you and I are the only two people in the world who *know* that Uncle Joseph is, uh... John Finsbury: ...thing. Morris Finsbury: ...dead. Detective: Young man, did you know there was a body in the piano? Peacock: I did it. Detective: Who is he? Michael Finsbury: He is the butler, sir. Detective: The butler did it? Michael Finsbury: No, sir. I put the body there. Detective: Is this true? Michael Finsbury: Yes sir. Detective: In that case, you are entitled to a reward of £1,000. You are responsible for bringing the Bournemouth Strangler to his just end. Michael Finsbury: A, a thousand pounds? Oh, but I-I-I don't, I don't deserve it. The body just arrived in a barrel. John Finsbury: I sent it. Detective: And who are you, sir? Morris Finsbury: He is of diminished responsibility, officer. It was all my doing. If there's any justice in this naughty world, the reward is mine. Detective: And WHO are YOU? Morris Finsbury: I was wondering - do you by any chance happen to have any - uh - death certificates? Doctor Pratt: Do I happen to have any death certificates? What a monstrous thing, sir - what a monstrous thing to say to a member of the medical profession! Do you realize the enormity of what you have just said? Morris Finsbury: Yes. Do you have any death certificates? Doctor Pratt: How many do you want? credits: "Cast [beginning with] Members of the Tontine who came to untimely ends in order of disappearance" from www.imdb.com/title/tt0061204/Although sometimes associated with Saint Peter, it is the stone of Saint Matthew. Anyone fortunate enough to own a ruby should ensure the stone is always appreciated. When neglected or overlooked a ruby will become lacklustre and dull. A ruby is said to be very symbolic of its owner, and its value is important in the relationship between the owner and the gem. This belief reflects attitudes towards those loved ones, because a nurturing, loving relationship is strong, healthy and vibrant - all the qualities to be expected from the King of Gemstones. (from here: suite101.com/article/the-mythology-of-the-ruby-a144103)st matthew from wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_the_ApostleHis feast day is celebrated on 21 September in the West (21/9/1966 'all or nothing' by the small faces was uk no1 single, due to a change in the TOTP chart that week, shared the spot with The Beatles song "Yellow Submarine" - from wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_or_Nothing_(Small_Faces_song)(21/9/1966 batman episode 'the minstrel's shakedown is aired; summary: The Minstrel, a villain with both musical talent and electronic ingenuity, is wrecking havoc with the Gotham City Exchange in an attempt to blackmail the exchange members. When he soon realizes Batman and Robin are equally skilled with electronics, he deems them a threat to his plan and sets a trap for their demise. (from www.imdb.com/title/tt0519539/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl)a quote from the episode: [singing to the tune of "Rock-a-bye Baby"] The Minstrel: Batman and Robin rotate and revolve / As the heat grows, your bodies dissolve / When it's still hotter, then you will melt / Nothing left but your utility belt.) (21/9/1966 bbc aires 'sinfonia tragica' by havergal brian) (21/9/1966 would be 100th birthday of h.g. wells) Like the other evangelists, Matthew is often depicted in Christian art with one of the four living creatures of Revelation 4:7. The one that accompanies him is in the form of a winged man.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 21:14:36 GMT -5
john the baptist
tuesday's child full of grace
She would never say where she came from Yesterday don't matter when it's gone While the sun is bright Or in the darkest night No one knows She comes and goes Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday Who could hang a name on you? When you smile with every new day Still I'm gonna miss you... Don't question why she needs to be so free She'll tell you it's the only way to be She just can't be chained To a life where nothing's gained And nothing's lost At such a cost There's no time to lose, I heard her say Catch your dreams before they slip away Dying all the time Lose your dreams And you will lose your mind. Ain't life unkind? Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday Who could hang a name on you? When you smile with every new day Still I'm gonna miss you... Stating point of view.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jun 2, 2013 22:46:14 GMT -5
Wasn't there something going around to the effect that is when he actually died...on a Tuesday?
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Post by pepper on Jun 2, 2013 23:00:14 GMT -5
john the baptist is the prophet who proclaimed the arrival of messiah - jesus. but at first, they didn't recognize him. "Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist". — Matthew 17:11-13 though: "Now this was John's testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, "I am not the Christ." They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" He answered, "No." — John 1:19-21 (i'm sure this reminds you of another john & paul?) john the baptist's day is 24th june. 24/6/1966 the cover of time magazine: img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1966/1101660624_400.jpgsome of the titles: Trustee for Tomorrow: Republican Jacob Javits A Pro for CIA Division Lesson Britain: How Long? Building Like the Caesars NATO: Winging Toward Change Fun on the Run Red Reverse A Vote in Peace Semper Fidelis? Where the Action Is Revolution from the Throne Composers: Goodbye to All That Year of the Mechanical Rabbit Aces Wild In Love with Nullity A Terribly Normal Country Success & Salvation People Who Live in the Shade Peeling the Army Onion Memory Pills Problems of Protecting a Source Morality for Managers Jews: Pulling Toward Unity Rowing: Yes, That Good Essay: ON THE DIFFICULTY OF BEING A CONTEMPORARY HERO www.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601660624,00.html munich, germany 24/6/1966: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpfjCukd1xU yesterday and today
She would never say where she came from
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away/ Yesterday don't matter when it's gone
Now it looks as though they're here to stay/ No one knows
Oh, I believe in yesterday/ She comes and goes Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday
Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be/ Who could hang a name on you?
There's a shadow hanging over me/ When you smile with every new day
Oh, yesterday came suddenly/ Still I'm gonna miss you...
Why she had to go I don't know, she wouldn't say/ Don't question why she needs to be so free
I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday/ She just can't be chained
To a life where nothing's gained
Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play/ And nothing's lost at such a cost
Now I need a place to hide away/ There's no time to lose, I heard her say
Oh, I believe in yesterday/ Catch your dreams before they slip away
Dying all the time
Why she had to go I don't know she wouldn't say/ And you will lose your mind
I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday/ Ain't life unkind?
Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play/ Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday
Now I need a place to hide away Oh, I believe in yesterday Mm mm mm mm mm mm mm
you will lose your mind:
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Post by pepper on Jun 2, 2013 23:08:03 GMT -5
Wasn't there something going around to the effect that is when he actually died...on a Tuesday? yes, tuesday is everywhere, but 1 1 9 HE DIE 11th sept 1966 was sunday 13th sept was tuesday there are 9+1 days from 11th sept to 21st sept (st matthew's day) there are 101 days from 21/9 to the end of the year
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Post by pepper on Jun 3, 2013 1:04:28 GMT -5
from wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_baptistJohn argued that Jesus "must become greater," while he (John) "must become less"[43] (Vulgate: illum oportet crescere me autem minui).[John 3:30] Later, the Gospel relates that Jesus regarded John as "a burning and shining lamp, and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light" (John 5:35) In the Gospel accounts of John's death, Herod has John imprisoned for denouncing his incestuous marriage, and later executes John by beheading. John condemned Herod for marrying Herodias (who was not only his brother Philip's former wife but also Herod's niece) in violation of Old Testament Law. Later Herodias's daughter Salome (who was both Herod's grand-niece and stepdaughter) dances before Herod, who offers her a favour in return. Herodias tells her to ask for the head of John the Baptist, which is delivered to her on a plate (Mark 6:14-29). The 1st-century Jewish historian Josephus gives a slightly different account in his Antiquities of the Jews. Josephus writes that Herod had John arrested because John had so many followers that Herod feared they might begin a rebellion. Herod later had him executed (Ant. 18.116-118). Biblical scholar John Dominic Crossan differentiates between Josephus's account of John and Jesus like this: "John had a monopoly, but Jesus had a franchise." To get baptized, Crossan writes, you went only to John; to stop the movement one only needed to stop John (therefore his movement ended with his death). Jesus invited all to come and see how he and his companions had already accepted the Government of God, entered it and were living it. Such a communal praxis was not just for himself, but could survive without him, unlike John's movement. An obscure and surprising claim relates to the town of Halifax in West Yorkshire, United Kingdom, where the Baptist's head appears on the official coat-of-arms. A legend first recorded in the late 16th century and reported in William Camden's Britannia accounts for the town's place-name, as 'halig' (holy) and 'fax' (face), by stating that the first religious settlers of the district brought the 'face' of John the Baptist with them. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Halifax_Coat_of_Arms.jpgJOHN AND RINGO SLEPT IN MY BED IT may be almost half a century since the Fab Four checked in at a Calderdale country house hotel but the event remains just as memorable today as back then. Between 1963 and 1965, The Beatles undertook six amazing UK tours and along the way met many fans whose memories of these encounters tell the real story of what actually happened when John, Paul, George and Ringo hit the road. It was as loud, chaotic and as exciting as anything Britain had ever seen. It was Beatlemania. Among the fans was Gail Moss, who along with sister Kim Wynn, owns Holdsworth House. The day the Beatles came to stay is an occasion that Gail and Kim will never forget. The beautiful old house at Holmfield on the outskirts of Halifax was owned in the ’60s by the girls’ late parents Freddie and Rita Pearson and was formerly known as The Cavalier Country Club. The Pearsons’ good family friend just happened to be Stanley Corbett, the Beatles’ road manager. “They had been playing at the Gaumont Theatre in Bradford and they needed a place to stay,” recalls Gail, who was 14 at the time – and very much a fan. “My father told me a couple of days before they arrived that they were coming and I think it was probably the hardest secret I have ever had to keep. I didn’t tell anyone though, not a soul and I remember when it had all happened and I went back to school, hardly anyone was talking to me,” she laughs. The night in question was Friday, October 9, 1964 – John Lennon’s 24th birthday – and Gail recalls how it was around 11pm when the four Liverpool lads arrived after a bit of a diversion and the help of a police escort to keep their destination a secret – a plan that worked. The original restaurant bill reveals that they tucked into prawn cocktail, melon, smoked trout and turtle soup, followed by steaks and duckling. Including the chauffeur’s dinner, the entire bill came to £17 6s (£17.30) – more than a week’s wages at the time. The bar bill, including whiskies, stouts and pints of Whitbread, came to £2 15s (£2.75) but it was only Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr who unwound in the bar until 1am – John Lennon had a toothache and went to bed early. Because the business was just a country club and not a hotel, the Pearsons had to find beds for their visitors. “They actually ended up using ours. Can you imagine that?” says Gail. “John and Ringo slept in what was mine and my sister’s room (room 20, now an office) and Paul and George slept in my parents’ bedroom. They borrowed twin beds especially. “I remember we had set up for them to have breakfast the following morning and they didn’t come down. I was walking up and down the corridor waiting. Eventually my mother grabbed me by the hand, knocked on the bedroom door where Paul and George were sleeping and thrust me inside. ‘My daughter has been waiting all morning to see you’ she said and left me there. I don’t know how she dared.” Gail adds that George offered her a cigarette “which I refused” and asked if the old house was haunted. We’d been to Ibiza on holiday and I was chatting to Paul about that. Kim, just eight at the time, admits the visit was “a little over my head”. “I was very shy and remember not wanting to meet them so I hid in the ladies’ cloakroom under a dressing table. All of a sudden this hand came through the curtains, a hand with rings on practically every finger. It was Ringo and he just said ‘come out and meet the lads’.” The girls had their photos taken each sitting on McCartney’s knee. “Kim’s came out but unfortunately mine didn’t,” says Gail. Because it had been Lennon’s birthday the girls gave him a Cavalier Country Club tie. “I don’t know if he ever wore it but he did remember the visit because he sent us a copy of his book In His Own Write. Once news of the visit became public, the Pearson family was inundated with requests for souvenirs. “We still have the brass bedsteads which were on the beds they slept in and at one time the little gold knobs on the top used to disappear from time to time,” says Gail. “Guests at Holdsworth House today are still intrigued by the visit. We’ve had lots of famous people and celebrities stay with us over the years but The Beatles – well they were huge weren’t they?” www.holdsworthhouse.co.uk/index.php/about-us/events/Several different locations claim to possess the severed head of John the Baptist. Among them: the Residenz Museum in Munich, GermanyThe Eastern Orthodox Church remembers Saint John the Forerunner on six separate feast days, listed here in order in which they occur during the church year (which begins on September 1): September 23 — Conception of St. John the Forerunner[66] January 7 — The Synaxis of St. John the Forerunner. This is his main feast day, immediately after Theophany on January 6 (January 7 also commemorates the transfer of the relic of the right hand of John the Baptist from Antioch to Constantinople in 956) February 24 — First and Second Finding of the Head of St. John the Forerunner May 25 — Third Finding of the Head of St. John the Forerunner June 24 — Nativity of St. John the Forerunner August 29 — The Beheading of St. John the Forerunner (THE LAST BEATLES CONCERT AT CANDLESTICK PARK in 1966)the last song from that concert was 'long tall sally':I'm gonna tell Aunt Mary 'bout Uncle JohnHe said he had the misery but he got a lot of fun Baby, yeah now baby Woo baby, some fun tonight I saw Uncle John with Long Tall SallyHe saw Aunt Mary comin' and he ducked back in the alley Oh, baby, yeah now baby Woo baby, some fun tonight Well Long Tall Sally's built pretty sweet She got everything that Uncle John needs Baby, yeah now baby Woo baby, some fun tonight Well, we're gonna have some fun tonight Have some fun tonight Everything's all right Have some fun tonight Have some fun Yeah, yeah, yeah, We're gonna have some fun tonight Have some fun tonight Everything's all right Have some fun tonight Yeah, we'll have some fun Some fun tonight sally = salome? Herodias's daughter Salome (who was both Herod's grand-niece and stepdaughter) dances before Herod, who offers her a favour in return. Herodias tells her to ask for the head of John the Baptist, which is delivered to her on a plate (Mark 6:14-29). The Roman Catholic Church commemorates St. John the Baptist on two feast days: June 24 – Nativity of St. John the Baptist August 29 – Beheading of St. John the Baptist Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich mentioned in her mystical visions that Saint John the Baptist was pure, innocent and spotless from the womb of Saint Elizabeth and has never uttered a single lie in his earthy life. In Islam it is said that Muhammad met John and Jesus in the second heaven, where Muhammad greeted his two 'brothers' before ascending with archangel Gabriel to the third heaven. The Qur'an accords the significance of John's name to the fact that it was a new name for mankind, in that no one previously had been named "John".[86] Other scholars hold that John's name, which they state connects with the meaning of "He shall live", referred to his legacy, in that his memory will remain in the mind of the faithful for the generations to come. John the Baptist plays a large part in some Mandaean writings, especially those dating from the Islamic period. They view John as the only true Messiah. The Mandaean scriptures state: "If the carpenter [Jesus] has joined together the god, who then has joined together the carpenter?"in christian art john is depicted as an ascetic wearing camel hair, with a staff and scroll inscribed Ecce Agnus Dei.
In Orthodox icons, he often has angel's wings, since Mark 1:2 describes him as a messenger.
leonardo da vinci: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/St_John_the_baptist_-_Leonardo_Da_Vinci.jpg/220px-St_John_the_baptist_-_Leonardo_Da_Vinci.jpgLeonardo da Vinci's versions of the Virgin of the Rocks were influential in establishing a Renaissance fashion for variations on the Madonna and Child that included John, probably intended to depict the cousin's reunion in Egypt, when after Jesus' Flight to Egypt John was believed to have been carried to join him by an angel. salome, by oscar wilde, illustrated by aubrey beardsleyupload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Aubrey_Beardsley_-_The_Stomach_Dance.jpg/437px-Aubrey_Beardsley_-_The_Stomach_Dance.jpgupload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Beardsley-peacockskirt.PNG/438px-Beardsley-peacockskirt.PNGwww.lordprice.co.uk/mm5/graphics/00000001/PSAB1029,-Aubrey-Beardsley,.jpg The Love-Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
By T.S. EliotPrufrock elaborates the extent of his renunciation of the romantic notion of "poet as prophet": Prufrock is no prophet--neither a John the Baptist, nor a Lazarus, nor is he even a hero.
But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed, Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) brought in upon a platter, I am no prophet--and here's no great matter... (81-83) The reference is not only to Matthew 14:3-11, but also to Oscar Wilde's Salome, the play upon which Richard Strauss based his opera Salome. In the biblical account, no motivation is ascribed to Salome for wanting John the Baptist killed. In the versions by Wilde and Strauss, however, Salome is passionately in love with the imprisoned John the Baptist, who, because he will not let the temptations of the flesh corrupt his pure love of God, rejects her advances. Wilde's Salome, determined that if she cannot have John no one will have John, asks Herod for the Baptist's head on a platter. John the Baptist spurned Salome's affections while he lived; now that he is dead, Salome lavishes her kisses upon the cold lips of the bloody corpse-head.Prufrock knows that he is subject to the same temptations of the flesh, knows that he ultimately will succumb to the same death at the hands of evil; but Prufrock, if he makes claim to privileged, poetic knowledge, feels no imperative to share that knowledge with a society rooted in unbelief. The martyrdom of prophecy is untenable in a modernity in which "God is dead." from www.mrbauld.com/exeliopru.htmlLet us go then, you and I, When the evening is spread out against the sky Like a patient etherized upon a table; Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets, The muttering retreats Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells: Streets that follow like a tedious argument Of insidious intent To lead you to an overwhelming question. . . Oh, do not ask, "What is it?" Let us go and make our visit. . . . There will be time to murder and create, And time for all the works and days of hands That lift and drop a question on your plate; Time for you and time for me, And time yet for a hundred indecisions And for a hundred visions and revisions Before the taking of a toast and tea. . . . And indeed there will be time To wonder, "Do I dare?" and, "Do I dare?" Time to turn back and descend the stair, With a bald spot in the middle of my hair— [They will say: "How his hair is growing thin!"] My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin, My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin— [They will say: "But how his arms and legs are thin!"] Do I dare Disturb the universe? In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.
For I have known them all already, known them all; Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, I have measured out my life with coffee spoons; I know the voices dying with a dying fall Beneath the music from a farther room. So how should I presume?
And I have known the eyes already, known them all— The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase, And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin, When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall, Then how should I begin To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways? And how should I presume? . . . But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed, Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) brought in upon a platter, I am no prophet–and here's no great matter; I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker, And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker, And in short, I was afraid.
And would it have been worth it, after all, After the cups, the marmalade, the tea, Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me, Would it have been worth while, To have bitten off the matter with a smile, To have squeezed the universe into a ball To roll it toward some overwhelming question, To say: "I am Lazarus, come from the dead, Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all" If one, settling a pillow by her head, Should say, "That is not what I meant at all. That is not it, at all."
And would it have been worth it, after all, Would it have been worth while, After the sunsets and the dooryards and the sprinkled streets, After the novels, after the teacups, after the skirts that trail along the floor— And this, and so much more?— It is impossible to say just what I mean! But as if a magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen: Would it have been worth while If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl, And turning toward the window, should say: "That is not it at all, That is not what I meant, at all." . . . . .
No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be; Am an attendant lord, one that will do To swell a progress, start a scene or two Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool, Deferential, glad to be of use, Politic, cautious, and meticulous; Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; At times, indeed, almost ridiculous— Almost, at times, the Fool.
I grow old . . . I grow old . . . I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach? I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach. I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think they will sing to me.
I have seen them riding seaward on the waves Combing the white hair of the waves blown back When the wind blows the water white and black.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 4:53:25 GMT -5
But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed, Though I have seen my head brought in upon a platter, I am no prophet–and here's no great matter; I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker, And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker
Would it have been worth while? To have bitten off the matter with a smile To have squeezed the universe into a ball To roll it toward some overwhelming question To say: "I am Lazarus, come from the dead, Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all"
If one, settling a pillow by her head, Should say, "That is not what I meant at all. That is not it, at all." matter (n.) c.1200, materie, "subject of thought, speech, or expression," from Anglo-French matere, Old French matere "subject, theme, topic; substance, content, material; character, education" (12c., Modern French matière), from Latin materia "substance from which something is made," also "hard inner wood of a tree" (cf. Portuguese madeira "wood"), from mater "origin, source, mother" (see mother (n.1)). Or, on another theory, it represents *dmateria, from PIE root *dem-/*dom- (cf. Latin domus "house," English timber). With sense development in Latin influenced by Greek hyle, of which it was the equivalent in philosophy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_materia Meaning "physical substance generally, matter, material" is early 14c.; that of "substance of which some specific object is made or consists of" is attested from late 14c. That of "piece of business, affair, activity, situation, circumstance" is from late 14c. From mid-14c. as "subject of a literary work, content of what is written, main theme." Also in Middle English as "cause, reasons, ground; essential character; field of investigation." Matter of course "something expected" attested from 1739. For that matter attested from 1670s. What is the matter "what concerns (someone), the cause of the difficulty" is attested from mid-15c. To make no matter "be no difference to" also is mid-15c. matter (v.) "to be of importance or consequence," 1580s, from matter (n.). Related: Mattered; mattering.
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Post by pepper on Jun 3, 2013 9:38:24 GMT -5
without an enduring factor that persists through change, there is no change but only a succession of unrelated events. The existence of change is hard to deny, and if we have to postulate something unobserved in order to explain what is observed en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyleThey have compared the "prima materia" to everything, to male and female, to the hermaphroditic monster, to heaven and earth, to body and spirit, chaos, microcosm, and the confused mass; it contains in itself all colors and potentially all metals; there is nothing more wonderful in the world, for it begets itself, conceives itself, and gives birth to itself.[6] Comparisons have been made to Hyle, the primal fire, Proteus, Light, and Mercury. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_materia how can one thing in general be many things in particular – was solved by presuming that Form was a distinct singular thing but caused plural representations of itself in particular objects. Matter was considered particular in itself. These Forms are the essences of various objects: they are that without which a thing would not be the kind of thing it is. For example, there are countless tables in the world but the Form of tableness is at the core; it is the essence of all of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Formsrepresentations are always false The objects that are seen, according to Plato, are not real, but literally mimic the real Forms. In the allegory of the cave expressed in Republic, the things that are ordinarily perceived in the world are characterized as shadows of the real things, which are not perceived directly. That which the observer understands when he views the world mimics the archetypes of the many types and properties (that is, of universals) of things observed. Plato's main evidence for the existence of Forms is intuitive only and is as follows. Human perception Perfection en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Formsarchetypes - the collective consciousness Five main archetypes: The Self The Shadow The Anima The Animus The Persona en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypeswaiting for godot, samuel beckett magritte, the son of man nowhere man He's a real nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody. samuel beckett: “I tried to groan, Help! Help! But the tone that came out was that of polite conversation.” “NO MATTER. TRY AGAIN. FAIL AGAIN. FAIL BETTER.” the third policeman, flann o'brien “You mean that because I have no name I cannot die and that you cannot be held answerable for death even if you kill me?" "That is about the size of it," said the Sergeant. “Hell goes round and round. In shape it is circular, and by nature it is interminable, repetitive, and nearly unbearable.” “Who is Fox?", I asked. "Policeman Fox is the third of us," said the Sergeant, "but we never see him or hear, tell of him at all because he is always on his beat and never off it and he signs the book in the middle of the night when even a badger is asleep. He is as mad as a hare, he never interrogates the public and he is always taking notes.” “Always ask any questions that are to be asked and never answer any. Turn everything you hear to your own advantage. Always carry a repair outfit. Take left turns as much as possible. Never apply your front brake first. ‘If you follow them’, said the Sergeant, ‘you will save your soul and never get a fall on a slippery road.” rubber soul, long and winding road
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Post by dolphin on Jun 3, 2013 10:09:00 GMT -5
matter (n.) c.1200, materie, "subject of thought, speech, or expression," from Anglo-French matere, Old French matere "subject, theme, topic; substance, content, material; character, education" (12c., Modern French matière), from Latin materia "substance from which something is made," also "hard inner wood of a tree" (cf. Portuguese madeira "wood"), from mater "origin, source, mother" (see mother (n.1)). Or, on another theory, it represents *dmateria, from PIE root *dem-/*dom- (cf. Latin domus "house," English timber). With sense development in Latin influenced by Greek hyle, of which it was the equivalent in philosophy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_materia Meaning "physical substance generally, matter, material" is early 14c.; that of "substance of which some specific object is made or consists of" is attested from late 14c. That of "piece of business, affair, activity, situation, circumstance" is from late 14c. From mid-14c. as "subject of a literary work, content of what is written, main theme." Also in Middle English as "cause, reasons, ground; essential character; field of investigation." Matter of course "something expected" attested from 1739. For that matter attested from 1670s. What is the matter "what concerns (someone), the cause of the difficulty" is attested from mid-15c. To make no matter "be no difference to" also is mid-15c. matter (v.) "to be of importance or consequence," 1580s, from matter (n.). Related: Mattered; mattering. How do you solve a problem like Amarillo moths? www.newschannel10.com/story/17590820/moths-infesting-the-panhandleAh, Maytag
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Post by pepper on Jun 3, 2013 10:33:56 GMT -5
Symbolic number assigned to TUESDAY (planetary correspondences) is 9. www.symbolic-meanings.com/2008/01/08/days-of-the-week-symbolic-meanings/Tarot Tuesday Like layers on an onion, each aspect of a given tarot card can create a comprehensive picture when you are able to put them all together into a complete picture, like putting together a puzzle. 1.bp.blogspot.com/_aWwG4wOc4Ls/TE44TryIUgI/AAAAAAAAWzo/slD4vwT1coM/s1600/RiderWaiteTarotDeckRegSize.Waite.jpgMardi Gras literally means " Fat Tuesday" in French. Roots of Shrove Tueasday lie in the Christian calendar, as the "last hurrah" before Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. www.americancatholic.org/features/mardigras/september 11, 2001 was tuesdayash wednesdayAsh Wednesday derives it's name from biblical fasting which at times was done in sackcloth and ashes. The significance and symbolism of Ash Wednesday is to focus on the crucifixion of Christ for our sins, and seek God's forgiveness. voices.yahoo.com/the-significance-symbolism-ash-wednesday-11985355.html?cat=34Ash-Wednesday by T S Eliot Because I do not hope to turn again Because I do not hope Because I do not hope to turn Desiring this man's gift and that man's scope I no longer strive to strive towards such things (Why should the aged eagle stretch its wings?) Why should I mourn The vanished power of the usual reign? Because I do not hope to know again The infirm glory of the positive hour Because I do not think Because I know I shall not know The one veritable transitory power Because I cannot drink There, where trees flower, and springs flow, for there is nothing again Because I know that time is always time And place is always and only place And what is actual is actual only for one time And only for one place I rejoice that things are as they are and I renounce the blessed face And renounce the voice Because I cannot hope to turn again Consequently I rejoice, having to construct something Upon which to rejoice And pray to God to have mercy upon us And pray that I may forget These matters that with myself I too much discuss Too much explain Because I do not hope to turn again Let these words answer For what is done, not to be done again May the judgement not be too heavy upon us Because these wings are no longer wings to fly But merely fans to beat the air The air which is now thoroughly small and dry Smaller and dryer than the will Teach us to care and not to care Teach us to sit still. . . . II Lady, three white leopards sat under a juniper-tree In the cool of the day, having fed to satiety On my legs my heart my liver and that which had been contained In the hollow round of my skull. And God said Shall these bones live? shall these Bones live? And that which had been contained In the bones (which were already dry) said chirping: Because of the goodness of this Lady And because of her loveliness, and because She honours the Virgin in meditation, We shine with brightness. And I who am here dissembled Proffer my deeds to oblivion, and my love To the posterity of the desert and the fruit of the gourd. It is this which recovers My guts the strings of my eyes and the indigestible portions Which the leopards reject. The Lady is withdrawn In a white gown, to contemplation, in a white gown. Let the whiteness of bones atone to forgetfulness. There is no life in them. As I am forgotten And would be forgotten, so I would forget Thus devoted, concentrated in purpose. And God said Prophesy to the wind, to the wind only for only The wind will listen. And the bones sang chirping With the burden of the grasshopper, saying Lady of silences Calm and distressed Torn and most whole Rose of memory Rose of forgetfulness Exhausted and life-giving Worried reposeful The single Rose Is now the Garden Where all loves end Terminate torment Of love unsatisfied The greater torment Of love satisfied End of the endless Journey to no end Conclusion of all that Is inconclusible Speech without word and Word of no speech Grace to the Mother For the Garden Where all love ends. Under a juniper-tree the bones sang, scattered and shining We are glad to be scattered, we did little good to each other, Under a tree in the cool of the day, with the blessing of sand, Forgetting themselves and each other, united In the quiet of the desert. This is the land which ye Shall divide by lot. And neither division nor unity Matters. This is the land. We have our inheritance. III At the first turning of the second stair I turned and saw below The same shape twisted on the banister Under the vapour in the fetid air Struggling with the devil of the stairs who wears The deceitul face of hope and of despair. At the second turning of the second stair I left them twisting, turning below; There were no more faces and the stair was dark, Damp, jagged, like an old man's mouth drivelling, beyond repair, Or the toothed gullet of an aged shark. At the first turning of the third stair Was a slotted window bellied like the figs's fruit And beyond the hawthorn blossom and a pasture scene The broadbacked figure drest in blue and green Enchanted the maytime with an antique flute. Blown hair is sweet, brown hair over the mouth blown, Lilac and brown hair; Distraction, music of the flute, stops and steps of the mind over the third stair, Fading, fading; strength beyond hope and despair Climbing the third stair. . . . V If the lost word is lost, if the spent word is spent If the unheard, unspoken Word is unspoken, unheard; Still is the unspoken word, the Word unheard, The Word without a word, the Word within The world and for the world; And the light shone in darkness and Against the Word the unstilled world still whirled About the centre of the silent Word. O my people, what have I done unto thee. Where shall the word be found, where will the word Resound? Not here, there is not enough silence Not on the sea or on the islands, not On the mainland, in the desert or the rain land, For those who walk in darkness Both in the day time and in the night time The right time and the right place are not here No place of grace for those who avoid the face No time to rejoice for those who walk among noise and deny the voice . . . VI Although I do not hope to turn again Although I do not hope Although I do not hope to turn Wavering between the profit and the loss In this brief transit where the dreams cross The dreamcrossed twilight between birth and dying (Bless me father) though I do not wish to wish these things From the wide window towards the granite shore The white sails still fly seaward, seaward flying Unbroken wings And the lost heart stiffens and rejoices In the lost lilac and the lost sea voices And the weak spirit quickens to rebel For the bent golden-rod and the lost sea smell Quickens to recover The cry of quail and the whirling plover And the blind eye creates The empty forms between the ivory gates And smell renews the salt savour of the sandy earth This is the time of tension between dying and birth The place of solitude where three dreams cross Between blue rocks But when the voices shaken from the yew-tree drift away Let the other yew be shaken and reply. turn me on, dead man
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Post by pepper on Jun 3, 2013 10:38:28 GMT -5
maytag, yes
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Post by dolphin on Jun 3, 2013 11:17:28 GMT -5
maytag, yes Well the rain exploded with a mighty crash as we fell into the sun (your wreath rocks)
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Post by pepper on Jun 3, 2013 15:08:54 GMT -5
like moths to a flame moths are ancient symbols of change – new directions – and revealing that which has been hidden. Moths are nocturnal, and much of their symbolism deals with: Intuition Psychic perception Heightened awareness They follow the mother moon as a source of light, and this connects them with some powerful moon associations such as: Knowledge of the Otherworld Second sight Influence Prophesy Clarity In superstition: A white moth is said to embody the soul of a loved one. White being the symbolic color of purity of the soul, and the embodiment comes from an ancient idea that the night (realm of the moth) is a dwelling place for souls (in terms of the Underworld or Otherworld). www.symbolic-meanings.com/2008/04/09/symbolic-meaning-of-the-moth/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 16:12:12 GMT -5
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Post by pepper on Jun 3, 2013 17:12:45 GMT -5
Stuck inside these four walls, sent inside forever birth from cocoon - symbol of change - metamorphoses metamorphoses, franz kafka: “As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a gigantic insect.” BEETLE “His biggest misgiving came from his concern about the loud crash that was bound to occur and would probably create, if not terror, at least anxiety behind all the doors. But that would have to be risked.” also, cocoons - cloning Aldous Huxley's 1932 novel Brave New World envisions a futuristic world in which large numbers of clones are cultivated industrially and conditioned before birth for specific castes. The implications of using clones to replace deceased loved ones are explored in several works of fiction. In Margaret Peterson Haddix's novel Double Identity, the main character discovers that she is a clone of her deceased older sister. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cloningI’d like to be under the sea in an octopus’s garden in the shade We would be warm below the storm in our little hideaway beneath the waves Resting our head on the sea bed in an octopus’s garden near a cave ------------- safe - cocooned - freudian womb fixation octopus - 8 beatles? a few symbolic meanings of the octopus: Complexity Diversity Variability Intelligence Insight Vision Mystery Illusion With eight arms, the octopus shares some symbolic meanings with the spider. Observed these eight arms circle out in motion – calling to mind the concept of spiral - this forms a symbolic bond between the octopus and the meanings of the spiral or whirlpool. Adornments like octopus medallions were worn by sailors to ward off evil. Minoan art depicts the octopus (particularly on bowls or vases) unfurling. This is thought to be symbolic of the creating and the expanding of the universe. As a side-note, the octopus is also associated with the Priestess and Moon card in the Tarot deck. www.symbolic-meanings.com/2008/01/19/symbolism-of-the-octopus/notice the ruby pomegranate
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Post by pepper on Jun 3, 2013 17:19:09 GMT -5
POMEGRANATE SYMBOLISM In almost every religion the pomegranate has been used as a symbol of humanity's most fundamental beliefs and desires, life and death, birth and eternal life, fertility and marriage, abundance and prosperity. Its colour of blood often designated sin. (hence the scarlet letter) The pomegranate is a symbol of the resurrection and the hope of eternal life. Because of its abundance of seeds, it can also symbolize royalty and the church, where the seeds represent the many believers who make up the one universal church. Resurrection of Christ - The seeds bursting forth from the pomegranate are also likened to Christ bursting forth from the tomb. einron.hubpages.com/hub/godsfruitpomegranatesymbolism
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Post by beacon on Jun 4, 2013 5:07:39 GMT -5
POMEGRANATE SYMBOLISM In almost every religion the pomegranate has been used as a symbol of humanity's most fundamental beliefs and desires, life and death, birth and eternal life, fertility and marriage, abundance and prosperity. Its colour of blood often designated sin. (hence the scarlet letter) The pomegranate is a symbol of the resurrection and the hope of eternal life. Because of its abundance of seeds, it can also symbolize royalty and the church, where the seeds represent the many believers who make up the one universal church. Resurrection of Christ - The seeds bursting forth from the pomegranate are also likened to Christ bursting forth from the tomb. einron.hubpages.com/hub/godsfruitpomegranatesymbolismQuote from The Sgt. Pepper Code We should not underestimate the pagan symbolism that is on display here as it is the key to understanding the underlying point that the Sgt Pepper code reveals.
The original pillars in the Temple of Solomon were decorated with two hundred carved pomegranates (highly symbolic fruit believed by some to be the ‘forbidden fruit’ from the Garden of Eden. Maybe the Beatles simply substituted the pomegranate for an apple as the modern bible does. The pomegranate symbol was used by Henry VIII, father of Queen Elizabeth I, and also the Holy Roman Emperor Maximillian I who was a leading Rosicrucian and whose family crest bears the same double headed eagle as Tara Browne’s family). The pillars were wreathed with seven chains and adorned with lilies. It is also possible that they were designed to have flames at the top, possibly as beacons of light.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 5:59:52 GMT -5
POMEGRANATE SYMBOLISM In almost every religion the pomegranate has been used as a symbol of humanity's most fundamental beliefs and desires, life and death, birth and eternal life, fertility and marriage, abundance and prosperity. Its colour of blood often designated sin. (hence the scarlet letter) The pomegranate is a symbol of the resurrection and the hope of eternal life. Because of its abundance of seeds, it can also symbolize royalty and the church, where the seeds represent the many believers who make up the one universal church. Resurrection of Christ - The seeds bursting forth from the pomegranate are also likened to Christ bursting forth from the tomb. einron.hubpages.com/hub/godsfruitpomegranatesymbolismQuote from The Sgt. Pepper Code We should not underestimate the pagan symbolism that is on display here as it is the key to understanding the underlying point that the Sgt Pepper code reveals.
The original pillars in the Temple of Solomon were decorated with two hundred carved pomegranates (highly symbolic fruit believed by some to be the ‘forbidden fruit’ from the Garden of Eden. Maybe the Beatles simply substituted the pomegranate for an apple as the modern bible does. The pomegranate symbol was used by Henry VIII, father of Queen Elizabeth I, and also the Holy Roman Emperor Maximillian I who was a leading Rosicrucian and whose family crest bears the same double headed eagle as Tara Browne’s family). The pillars were wreathed with seven chains and adorned with lilies. It is also possible that they were designed to have flames at the top, possibly as beacons of light.
A sign denoting royalty lol Most frequently the pomegranate is a symbol of fertility, birth and eternal life, owing to its abundance of seeds. Its deep blood red color has led to its interpretation as a symbol of death. It also represents unity, illustrated by the many seeds bound together in a single skin. It is a symbol of royalty, owing to its crown-like terminal atop an orb. St. John of God, whose attribute is the pomegranate, brought additional significance to the fruit. Born in Portugal in late 15th century, John of God (Juan de Dios) moved to Granada where he devoted his life to the service of the poor and sick. San Juan de Dios founded his first hospital in Granada; now there are hospitals dedicated to San Juan de Dios throughout Spain and much of Europe. Owing to his work in Granada, the pomegranate became his attribute, and it, in turn, has become a symbol of healing. It is now incorporated into the emblems of many medical institutions, such as the Royal College of Physicians of London.
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Post by pepper on Jun 4, 2013 6:20:53 GMT -5
again, i apologize if many of the stuff i mentioned were already discussed on the board. i'm only hoping to help deconstruct the unconscious accumulated imagery and meanings beneath the obvious.
i haven't mentioned the shirley temple doll on the sgt pepper cover, because i think everybody knows it's the obvious connection...
i also think one of the obvious 'coincidences' is the anagram of ruby - BURY...
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Post by pepper on Jun 4, 2013 6:38:53 GMT -5
according to diane morgan, author of 'fire and blood: rubies in myth, magic and history', rubies once littered the ground of the garden of eden.
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