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Post by B on Apr 3, 2019 20:30:49 GMT -5
kaleidoquake wrote: Nat King Cole - Nature Boywww.youtube.com/watch?v=D5IzRYyv5q0SpadecallerPublished on Sep 9, 2008 "Nature Boy was written by Eden Ahbez, one of the strangest songwriters of the pre-Hippie era. He was a beatnik poet, a proto-Hippie with long hair , a full beard, and routinely dressed in long, white, flowing garments. He lived in Griffith Park in Los Angeles, ate fruit, vegetables and nuts. Ahbez was born in Brooklyn in 1908 and died, March 4, 1995. This Spadecaller music video features the paintings of Bouguereau, Chagall, Da Vinci, Lenbach, Mesdag, Rembrandt, and Sargent. " ---------------------He handed the song to Nat King Cole after one of his appearances, and said something along the lines of: "Hey! I wrote a song I think you might like; could you check it out?" Nat recorded the song, and it was a huge hit for him in about 1954. Now you'd think that a song with a name like that would be about a kid who liked to walk through the woods, but there's nothing like that in the lyrics. Instead 'they' "spoke of FOOLs and kings; many things", and Nature Boy's message was that learning to LOVE was the 'greatest thing you'll ever learn". How curious. McCartney would have been about 12 or 13 at the time.
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Post by ramone on Apr 4, 2019 10:05:21 GMT -5
"In 1964, eden’s wife Anna died, at the age of 32, from cancer. Filmed silent footage from her funeral shows family members and friends looking on as eden sits crossed-legged by her graveside, playing a gong and reciting poetry. He took her death hard, and slipped into seclusion, often spending time out near the Palm Desert area. When he was in town, for an infrequent music gig, he’d often drop in to visit friends, including the time he was photographed, on January 5, 1967, sitting beside Brian Wilson in a recording studio (probably Western Recorders) when Wilson was tracking a “Heroes & Villains” session for the planned Beach Boys’ Smile album." nightflight.com/meet-nature-boy-eden-ahbez-the-first-california-hippie/There's a pic of him and Brian, and another with him and Blue eyes. Real pics I guess.
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Post by ramone on Apr 4, 2019 10:16:09 GMT -5
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Post by B on Apr 4, 2019 10:54:46 GMT -5
Yeah. That looked spontaneous as hell. Don't know what became of the jeep or the second kid. more pics of Nat and "ahbe" in this video: youtu.be/SXFxOucUd8Q?t=56\ If Nature Boy came out in 1948, McCartney would have been 5 or 6, but 'Mother Nature's Son' would have been 10 or 11. In any case, thanks for posting that great article, ramone! That was more than I'd seen on him before. I wonder what he thought about The Beatles! "I hear the sandbox calling!"
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Post by ramone on Apr 4, 2019 11:16:31 GMT -5
"One of the most heartfelt and intimate tracks on the Beatles’ White Album, “Mother Nature’s Son” draws its inspiration from three primary sources: Paul McCartney’s childhood, the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s teachings, and the standard “Nature Boy.” McCartney thoroughly discussed these origins in Barry Miles’ biography Many Years from Now. Childhood days spent in the countryside partially inspired the song, what he called his “child of nature-leanings.” Years later, McCartney’s time studying with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi further encouraged him to explore the wonders of nature. Incidentally, John Lennon would write a song called “Child of Nature” also inspired by the retreat, but later transformed it into “Jealous Guy.” As McCartney told Miles, he wrote the song after stopping by his father’s home in Liverpool. “Visiting my family I’d feel in a good mood, so it was often a good occasion to write songs,” he said. He also recalled loving the song “Nature Boy,” a tale of a young man’s enchantment with nature; apparently feeling a connection with that character, Paul McCartney composed his own version of the tune. A demo version was recorded during the “Esher” sessions at George Harrison’s Kinfauns home in May 1968; the final version deviated little from this initial attempt (except for extended double-tracked vocal harmonies in the coda). After completing the demo, McCartney would not lay down the final version for more than two months." somethingelsereviews.com/2018/06/28/beatles-mother-natures-son/
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 4, 2019 18:06:00 GMT -5
In the context of ACV - for accuracy (as part of a quote): "One last thing, in the world scene that exist on this forum, most fail to see what happens to a person when one they love passes. There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not. Apollo" Gay represents IMHO...straight homosexual only. But many who are bi-sexual do not consider themselves to be "gay" or homosexual. So, technically...Apollo is making an accurate statement here about Paul and Taras sexuality and relationship IMHO. That is...if we accept my theory that they were closeted bi-sexual lovers.
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 4, 2019 18:14:50 GMT -5
OK, so who is Vulcan in our story? ‘John’? He clearly suffered from poor impulse control and blinding jealousy that often led to violence and vituperation. Maybe that’s who ‘Paul’ wanted to be forced to see his chipped tooth? My original instinct was that ‘Chipped Tooth Paul’ took the maiming as an opportunity to be ‘The Only Paul’ for a while and was quickly out maneuvered when three others were given matching cuts to their upper lips. We have many books and statements from friends of John who have stated that John was not adverse to occassionally having oral and anal sex with men. Plus,John does seem to have not liked "that Guieness heir". Is this a clue thst John was jealous of JPM and Taras relationship? Was this some kind of "love triangle"? And was this part of the reason for JPM leaving? Makes a lot of sense to me!
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 4, 2019 18:33:01 GMT -5
Hi K, no, it's not from your link. A PM to someone. Some more of it: "One last thing, in the world scene that exist on this forum, most fail to see what happens to a person when one they love passes. There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not. Yet, back in the day, these types of relationships were not that uncommon. The Royal's took care of themselves. Always keen to stay out of the commoners mind thought. Tara was, in so many words, quite the playboy. And jolly got what he wanted. When trouble occurs, damage control becomes the story. Wife? Yeah, sorta. Kids? Well, this makes things a trifle more difficult. See above for clarification. We do as we're told, we believe what is told. Ask no questions, and sweep it under the rug. Still, his passing has had a profound effect on Paul. It is a scar that he shows now with pride. Nothing to hide, and no regrets. A better man from the experience. Let's leave it at that. If the story that surrounds this forum was as "cut and dried" as they would like it to be, then it would be time to turn off the lights and go home. Case solved! Nothing to see here, move along folks. He's dead, set you down father, rest you. Here's the dirty little secret, they haven't a clue. They have yet to scratch the surface. So, the comedy of errors continue. Much to my delight. I did not start this, and damn if I will finish it. I alluded where to look, how to look, and how to listen. If they ignore me, then so be it. I have nothing at stake. Nor, am I dead..................yet. Apollo" This all just keeps implying a bi-sexual relationship to me. Many people during the 60's were experimenting with sexuality...many of the norms of society (commoners) were being rejected and tested through sexual liberation. Terms such as gay,straight,bi,transgender,queer,etc...were no longer being seen as relevant with this new open minded generation who were open to experimentation on multiple social,sexual and cultural issues. However, "The Royals" would not want the public to know about the sexual activities and relationships of Playboy Tara. Nor would "The Royals" want anything to besmirch the image and popularity of their cash cow The Beatles". Somehow...Brian Epsteins "suicide" or "overdose" plays into this whole JPM and Tara thing IMHO. The timing of it all (Tara and Brians death) is just too coincidental for me.
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 4, 2019 18:46:38 GMT -5
Of course if you use a regular pack of cards for divination, the Ace of Spades represents Death, so what may be missing is the actual dead person in this instance. The diamonds, of course, are in the sky!
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 4, 2019 18:53:51 GMT -5
From K's source - "In fact that was why I started to grow a moustache. It was pretty embarrassing, because around that time you knew your pictures would get winged off to teeny-boppery magazines like 16, and it was pretty difficult to have a new picture taken with a big fat lip. So I started to grow a moustache - a sort of Sancho Panza - mainly to cover where my lip had been sewn. The quote above was taken from the Beatles Bible website which dates the incident as Sunday 26 December 1965. So therein lies problem number one. Paul claims there was an “incredible full moon”, only if one checks that statement out [HERE] it will reveal that the moon was actually in a new moon phase on this date, ergo, no moon would have been visible." I'm not really buying the 'this is where the mustache thing started' explanation. Could be, but it reminds me of the 'this is where the sgt pepper idea came from' explanation. BULL Billy! JPM czn be seen in the "Rain" video with a chipped tooth after the moped accident...but yet no sign he was attempting to grow a mustache. Mustache growth should be seen if he was trying to grow one after this accident...but there is none! It doesn't take very long to see mustache growth!
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 4, 2019 19:02:18 GMT -5
I just realized they were “Four Suits”, four guys in suits, a pack of cards. Card a person regarded as odd or amusing. "He laughed, “You're a card, you know.”"
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Post by hotman637 on Apr 4, 2019 21:53:35 GMT -5
OK, so who is Vulcan in our story? ‘John’? He clearly suffered from poor impulse control and blinding jealousy that often led to violence and vituperation. Maybe that’s who ‘Paul’ wanted to be forced to see his chipped tooth? My original instinct was that ‘Chipped Tooth Paul’ took the maiming as an opportunity to be ‘The Only Paul’ for a while and was quickly out maneuvered when three others were given matching cuts to their upper lips. We have many books and statements from friends of John who have stated that John was not adverse to occassionally having oral and anal sex with men. Plus,John does seem to have not liked "that Guieness heir". Is this a clue thst John was jealous of JPM and Taras relationship? Was this some kind of "love triangle"? And was this part of the reason for JPM leaving? Makes a lot of sense to me! I have posted about the "Gay Conspiracy" before but here goes again! There is PLENTY of circumstantial evidence but not sure how deep it really goes! For one thing MANY of the rock star managers were gay including the Who and the Beatles and many others (article below)! For another there are tons of rumors that many rock stars were Gay or bisexual ( Freddy Mercury Robert Plant Bon Scott (AC/DC) John Lennon etc. etc. etc.)! Of course the question is WHICH "rock star" are we talking about the "original" or the "fake"! David Bowie for example! The early "Bowie" sure seemed Gay but the replacement insists he is straight! The reason I call it a "Gay Conspiracy" is that it seems many rock stars got to be where they are either because they were Gay or they went along with it! And they were killed or replaced because they lost favor with the managers or refused to go along with the game anymore! www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/style/the-gay-architects-of-classic-rock.htmlwww.datalounge.com/thread/12939535-rock-stars-who-seem-gay
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 9, 2019 3:02:38 GMT -5
We have many books and statements from friends of John who have stated that John was not adverse to occassionally having oral and anal sex with men. Plus,John does seem to have not liked "that Guieness heir". Is this a clue thst John was jealous of JPM and Taras relationship? Was this some kind of "love triangle"? And was this part of the reason for JPM leaving? Makes a lot of sense to me! I have posted about the "Gay Conspiracy" before but here goes again! There is PLENTY of circumstantial evidence but not sure how deep it really goes! For one thing MANY of the rock star managers were gay including the Who and the Beatles and many others (article below)! For another there are tons of rumors that many rock stars were Gay or bisexual ( Freddy Mercury Robert Plant Bon Scott (AC/DC) John Lennon etc. etc. etc.)! Of course the question is WHICH "rock star" are we talking about the "original" or the "fake"! David Bowie for example! The early "Bowie" sure seemed Gay but the replacement insists he is straight! The reason I call it a "Gay Conspiracy" is that it seems many rock stars got to be where they are either because they were Gay or they went along with it! And they were killed or replaced because they lost favor with the managers or refused to go along with the game anymore! www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/style/the-gay-architects-of-classic-rock.htmlwww.datalounge.com/thread/12939535-rock-stars-who-seem-gayPersonally, I think this all revolved around the real JPM and John Lennon.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 9, 2019 8:14:52 GMT -5
I didn't want to rile additional homophobic tendencies on this site, but have wanted to say for a while that it's a bit naive to think Brian picked 'The Beatles' of all the middling Merseyside bands just because he saw exceptional promise in them. Really look at some of those pix of post-Hurricane, early-Beatle pocket twink Fingo...
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Post by hotman637 on Apr 9, 2019 11:55:03 GMT -5
I didn't want to rile additional homophobic tendencies on this site, but have wanted to say for a while that it's a bit naive to think Brian picked 'The Beatles' of all the middling Merseyside bands just because he saw exceptional promise in them. Really look at some of those pix of post-Hurricane, early-Beatle pocket twink Fingo... I am NOT homophobic! It is simply that they main driving forces in ANY human endeavor is SEX MONEY and KIDS!! It is NOT "clues" on album covers or fake ears or pictures and videos! It is OBVIOUS that MANY people have been replaced and they lie about it! So a major question is why? In one way or another it is about sex money and kids! The "Gay Conspiracy" ties those ALL together! We have GAY managers wanting to make MONEY and have SEX with young KIDS! So they start ROCK and ROLL bands that sing about sex money and kids! See a trend here? I realized all this when I saw a video that showed JACKIE KENNEDY killed JFK and it was about (you guessed it) sex money and kids! MacFake is just another Lee Harvey Oswald! www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kJsJ2vLfWs
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 9, 2019 12:24:28 GMT -5
I didn't want to rile additional homophobic tendencies on this site, but have wanted to say for a while that it's a bit naive to think Brian picked 'The Beatles' of all the middling Merseyside bands just because he saw exceptional promise in them. Really look at some of those pix of post-Hurricane, early-Beatle pocket twink Fingo... I am NOT homophobic! It is simply that they main driving forces in ANY human endeavor is SEX MONEY and KIDS!! It is NOT "clues" on album covers or fake ears or pictures and videos! It is OBVIOUS that MANY people have been replaced and they lie about it! So a major question is why? In one way or another it is about sex money and kids! The "Gay Conspiracy" ties those ALL together! We have GAY managers wanting to make MONEY and have SEX with young KIDS! So they start ROCK and ROLL bands that sing about sex money and kids! See a trend here? I realized all this when I saw a video that showed JACKIE KENNEDY killed JFK and it was about (you guessed it) sex money and kids! MacFake is just another Lee Harvey Oswald! www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kJsJ2vLfWsDude, it's not gay-specific. It's abuse of power-specific. And it's been endemic to the biz of show since its inception. People forget that it's only within the last hundred years or so that entertainers replaced gods and kings in the public fantasy land. Prior to this actors and musicians were generally treated like scum because they were thought to all be whores, which many of them were. And I like whores. I get along well with whores. But when you add those 'artistic tendencies' into a dynamic which has increasingly formidable gate keepers making unilateral calls over who gets to put their angst into something productive and who is going to be stuck drowning their sorrows by doing key bumps and blowing strangers in bar bathrooms, the things people are willing to do to fill the abyss where their parents' love never was gets pretty fucking extreme.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 9, 2019 12:30:08 GMT -5
Also, I'm pretty sure both Lee and Harvey Oswald had hands.
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Post by hotman637 on Apr 9, 2019 15:18:30 GMT -5
I am NOT homophobic! It is simply that they main driving forces in ANY human endeavor is SEX MONEY and KIDS!! It is NOT "clues" on album covers or fake ears or pictures and videos! It is OBVIOUS that MANY people have been replaced and they lie about it! So a major question is why? In one way or another it is about sex money and kids! The "Gay Conspiracy" ties those ALL together! We have GAY managers wanting to make MONEY and have SEX with young KIDS! So they start ROCK and ROLL bands that sing about sex money and kids! See a trend here? I realized all this when I saw a video that showed JACKIE KENNEDY killed JFK and it was about (you guessed it) sex money and kids! MacFake is just another Lee Harvey Oswald! www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kJsJ2vLfWsDude, it's not gay-specific. It's abuse of power-specific. And it's been endemic to the biz of show since its inception. People forget that it's only within the last hundred years or so that entertainers replaced gods and kings in the public fantasy land. Prior to this actors and musicians were generally treated like scum because they were thought to all be whores, which many of them were. And I like whores. I get along well with whores. But when you add those 'artistic tendencies' into a dynamic which has increasingly formidable gate keepers making unilateral calls over who gets to put their angst into something productive and who is going to be stuck drowning their sorrows by doing key bumps and blowing strangers in bar bathrooms, the things people are willing to do to fill the abyss where their parents' love never was gets pretty fucking extreme. It WAS "Gay specific" in the 60's rock scene because so many of the managers were men and so were the rock stars and the gay scene was so much more underground! In Hollywood there were a lot more women involved in the "casting couch"! So it has applied to both sexes since the beginning of time but since PID started in the 60's when being Gay was illegal and rock and roll was "new" the "Gay Conspiracy" seems like a major factor in rock star replacements!
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 9, 2019 18:10:47 GMT -5
Dude, it's not gay-specific. It's abuse of power-specific. And it's been endemic to the biz of show since its inception. People forget that it's only within the last hundred years or so that entertainers replaced gods and kings in the public fantasy land. Prior to this actors and musicians were generally treated like scum because they were thought to all be whores, which many of them were. And I like whores. I get along well with whores. But when you add those 'artistic tendencies' into a dynamic which has increasingly formidable gate keepers making unilateral calls over who gets to put their angst into something productive and who is going to be stuck drowning their sorrows by doing key bumps and blowing strangers in bar bathrooms, the things people are willing to do to fill the abyss where their parents' love never was gets pretty fucking extreme. It WAS "Gay specific" in the 60's rock scene because so many of the managers were men and so were the rock stars and the gay scene was so much more underground! In Hollywood there were a lot more women involved in the "casting couch"! So it has applied to both sexes since the beginning of time but since PID started in the 60's when being Gay was illegal and rock and roll was "new" the "Gay Conspiracy" seems like a major factor in rock star replacements! That's simply not factual. You think Jayne Mansfield was passed around as a party doll exclusively by lesbians? Clara Bow? Joan Crawford? [FYI : Crawford was in Dallas the day Kennedy was shot.] Monroe? Farrah Fawcett? Which himbos was Weinstein raping in hotel rooms? Ratner? Also, there are as many professionally closeted gays and lesbians in LA today as there were in the 30s and in the 60s. There are more out musicians, definitely. But even gay-from-space actors are hardline encouraged to "date in Europe" and drag a beard to awards shows. And they're encouraged to do this by their own management, who are more often than not other gay people. It's a repressed, closed door policy, endless party for some of the isolated people on earth. That it's private doesn't make it a nefarious conspiracy. And, while there's certainly mob money involved and mob tactics, that is so across the board and entrenched into the system. And, honestly, I can't think of anyone I know in LA who hasn't used sex transactionally in some way or another, whether that's drugs or connections or literally fucking for work. I have a theory that the smog is a physical manifestation of all the broken dreams and broken hearts and desperation oozing through the sun cracked sprawl. It's a sad, gross town trembling with personality disorders. I lived there for far too long. Think of the boys who were electively in choir and drama class when you were a kid at school. It's really not surprising that there are a higher percentage of gays, than average, who wind up working in the arts. Gay or straight or whatever, it's the same type of personality that goes from being humiliated by the cool kids at school every day to stabbing everyone he knows in the back until he gets to play kingmaker. They're all sick fucks. The Bryan Singer stuff is a different ball of wax. That's not 'gay mafia', that's a pedo clique, it's a fraternity of rapists (redundant?). Those boys travelled in packs, following those creepy twins around West Hollywood like they were the Pied Piper. And I was thinking about this in the context of something else, how people naturally jump to fill in the blanks to find a narrative thread. There's a writer, Steven Millhauser, who I think is, amongst other things, a very generous writer because he leaves so many spaces for the reader to fill in for him/herself. Really allows the experience of reading to be participatory. And I was thinking about how much I like that. And, yet, how much it annoys me when people do the same thing in real life, fabricate intentions out of silences.
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Post by hotman637 on Apr 9, 2019 21:02:18 GMT -5
If you don't believe in the phrase "fabricate intentions out of silences" then what are you doing here!
That is the entire PURPOSE of a "conspiracy theory"!
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 9, 2019 23:28:01 GMT -5
If you don't believe in the phrase "fabricate intentions out of silences" then what are you doing here! That is the entire PURPOSE of a "conspiracy theory"! Confabulation is NOT how you get to the bottom of *anything* factual. One gathers data and asks questions. You don't invent answers to questions that aren't posed by the data and you don't ignore the data in favor of fantasy. That's just jerking off. Why are you here? Are you interesting in the TRUTH or in amplifying your confirmation biases? The ugly, paranoid fixations of unmedicated schizophrenics vlogging from empty tanked hatchbacks in the Walmart parking lots that they live in are not "Valid Source Material". These people have invented charts of illuminutty color coding for different levels of supposed sleeper agent sex slaves based upon...absolutely fucking nothing, the shapes of the clouds, the number of people they spotted in one afternoon all wearing Adidas, secret code only they can discern from the weather reports. And the abject lack of critical thinking applied to the supposed revelations of lunatics does nothing but drive the discourse away from Truth…or strands Reason in the metaphorical equivalent of the parking lot of a big box superstore. Who needs CoIntelPro when people are feeding themselves shit sandwiches willingly?
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Post by B on Apr 10, 2019 9:14:00 GMT -5
Sage of Quay™ - Mike Williams - Top 20 Paul Is Dead Questionswww.youtube.com/watch?v=4k8sxSD90BMMike Williams' Paul Is Dead Channel Published on Apr 10, 2019 "One of the “to do’s” as I phase out my Paul Is Dead work was to address the most frequently asked questions I have received over time. Enjoy. "
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 10, 2019 14:50:45 GMT -5
I didn't want to rile additional homophobic tendencies on this site, but have wanted to say for a while that it's a bit naive to think Brian picked 'The Beatles' of all the middling Merseyside bands just because he saw exceptional promise in them. Really look at some of those pix of post-Hurricane, early-Beatle pocket twink Fingo... K...I agree...I think all of The Beatles were quite open about sex and sexuality and that this component had a lot to do with Epstein's (and other elites) intetest in the band.
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 10, 2019 14:59:51 GMT -5
I didn't want to rile additional homophobic tendencies on this site, but have wanted to say for a while that it's a bit naive to think Brian picked 'The Beatles' of all the middling Merseyside bands just because he saw exceptional promise in them. Really look at some of those pix of post-Hurricane, early-Beatle pocket twink Fingo... I am NOT homophobic! It is simply that they main driving forces in ANY human endeavor is SEX MONEY and KIDS!! It is NOT "clues" on album covers or fake ears or pictures and videos! It is OBVIOUS that MANY people have been replaced and they lie about it! So a major question is why? In one way or another it is about sex money and kids! The "Gay Conspiracy" ties those ALL together! We have GAY managers wanting to make MONEY and have SEX with young KIDS! So they start ROCK and ROLL bands that sing about sex money and kids! See a trend here? I realized all this when I saw a video that showed JACKIE KENNEDY killed JFK and it was about (you guessed it) sex money and kids! MacFake is just another Lee Harvey Oswald! www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kJsJ2vLfWsAlthough I don't agree with everything you hypothesize and post on these boards hotman...I do think the doubles,weird picture anomalies ,desire for money,stardom and sexual conquest indeed all play into the Beatles mystery. The "doubles" appear to me to be back up plans for the elites in case the originals no longer wish to play "the game" any more. Some of these people are killed,suicided, or forced to dissapear through silent retirement or faked death.
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Post by timmyb52 on Apr 10, 2019 15:04:17 GMT -5
Dude, it's not gay-specific. It's abuse of power-specific. And it's been endemic to the biz of show since its inception. People forget that it's only within the last hundred years or so that entertainers replaced gods and kings in the public fantasy land. Prior to this actors and musicians were generally treated like scum because they were thought to all be whores, which many of them were. And I like whores. I get along well with whores. But when you add those 'artistic tendencies' into a dynamic which has increasingly formidable gate keepers making unilateral calls over who gets to put their angst into something productive and who is going to be stuck drowning their sorrows by doing key bumps and blowing strangers in bar bathrooms, the things people are willing to do to fill the abyss where their parents' love never was gets pretty fucking extreme. It WAS "Gay specific" in the 60's rock scene because so many of the managers were men and so were the rock stars and the gay scene was so much more underground! In Hollywood there were a lot more women involved in the "casting couch"! So it has applied to both sexes since the beginning of time but since PID started in the 60's when being Gay was illegal and rock and roll was "new" the "Gay Conspiracy" seems like a major factor in rock star replacements! During the early 60's I think this may have played a minor factor...but not a major one.
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