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Post by ramone on Mar 23, 2019 22:37:56 GMT -5
He said they had a love. I don't recall ACV stating "quite clearly that Tara and Paul were romantically and sexually infatuated with one another". Again, it wasn't a gay relationship.
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Post by B on Mar 23, 2019 23:21:23 GMT -5
I always thought the comparison to the Hyacinthus and Apollo story was meant to be an explanation of what happened with Paul in the Beatles. Hyacinthus was killed by a head wound, but Apollo promised to tell his story in song, and keep his memory alive, just as (the story goes) Paul suffered a head wound and died, but 'Sir Paul' has kept his memory alive in song. www.commonlit.org/en/texts/apollo-and-hyacinthusSun King at TKIN published some pictures of "Ringo" that looked an awful lot like Tara. They are here too, somewhere. He seems to have been involved. I don't recall ACV stating "quite clearly that Tara and Paul were romantically and sexually infatuated with one another" either. In fact, he was so obtuse about it that I never quite got what he was suggesting - at any level.
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 24, 2019 2:18:56 GMT -5
A PLAY on words and music. Ritual Magick as Performance Art? wildhunt.org/2012/12/ritual-magick-as-performance-art.html"My second question is, if this is simply theater, a performance in tribute to Crowley and the mystique of magic(k), does this event signify a new resurgence of ritual as performance art? " Rotten Apple videos...a new form of this expressive art as ritual for the modern day? The Eleusinian Mysteries: The Rites of Demeter www.ancient.eu/article/32/the-eleusinian-mysteries-the-rites-of-demeter/"The Rites of Eleusis, or the Eleusinian Mysteries, were the secret rituals of the mystery school of Eleusis and were observed regularly from c. 1600 BCE - 392 CE. Exactly what this mystic ritual was no one knows; but why the ancient Greeks participated in it can be understood by the testimonials of the initiated." Death and Resurrection...common themes repeated in Beatle clues. The Beatles were engaged in ritual performance expressed through their musical and visual art on the global stage...for ALL to SEE. In Crowley's honor! Adding to the above comments: B mentioned how The "young"Beatles are looking down at the grave they are buried in...but they are not dead. Rather than being physically dead...the old young mop top Beatles have been put to rest (RIP), and have now been transformed into something NEW! Adding to this PLAY...I came across this in my studies. The Meaning of Masonry by W.L.Wilmhurst page 184; "The Ancient Mysteries, then, involved much more than philosophy. They also required a philosophic method of living - or rather - of dying. For as Socrates said (in Plato's Phaedo)..."the whole study of the philosopher (or wisdom seeker) is nothing else then to die and be dead; an assertion repeated by Plutarch, "to be initiated is to die"; and by the Christian apostle, "I die daily".
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 24, 2019 2:26:26 GMT -5
Apollo's posts always seemed to suggest a secret love affair between JPM and Tara...and that when Tara died in his car accident so did a large part of Paul. Thus, JPM leaving The Beatles to deal with his sadness and depression at this time created the need for Billy...but it was not meant to be permanent, but temporary. But...by the time JPM wanted to come back...the situation with Billy had become a little bit more complex? It reminds me of when Sid Barrett left Pink Floyd and tried to come back later...but by that time the group no longer needed him because they had found a new sound and voice with Roger Waters and David Gilmour. That would seem to be pretty much exactly what ACV was pointing at - except that it wasn't a love affair - as in they were gay - but a close bond between two people. But, it's obvious, to me anyway, that the replacement thing was in the works well before. It could be JPM was really ready to get out with the stress of being a Beatle. Some of us might relate. We might have a job that aspects of we don't like. If we thought there was no way out for a long time - that could be depressing. But, if we knew here was a way to get out sooner we could probably keep our chin up seeing light at the end of the tunnel. We might even be able to resume the job at some point if we had a breather. In JPM's case that didn't happen for whatever reasons. (resuming) Whatever he was going thru it seems that the news Of Tara was a bomb. It can be hard to function , at least for some time, when we get some 'blow us out of the water' news. Add to this JPM's decision to agree with the others to quit touring in 66 and how they were getting death threats while also undergoing some very violent situations on that last tour. After Tara's death...then there was Brian's to deal with soon thereafter! Imagine the stress of it all! JPM broke! No...I can't say I blame him at all.
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 24, 2019 2:33:38 GMT -5
That would seem to be pretty much exactly what ACV was pointing at - except that it wasn't a love affair - as in they were gay - but a close bond between two people. No, timmy's right, Apollo stated quite clearly that Tara and Paul were romantically and sexually infatuated with one another, if not completely in love. His comparisons of their relationship to that of Hyacinthus and Apollo leaves no ambiguity about the nature of their relationship. And, frankly, in context, that "moped accident with Tara" could have likely been a cover story for a gay bashing. Yes...that is exactly how I basically read and understood Apollo's posts K! A lot of this is starting to make a ton of sense and also unifies a lot of contradictions and misunderstandings as it pertains to PID theory. For me...the puzzle pieces are all falling together and creating a cohesive and logical sequence of events. Way more than the stupid Memoirs fantasy ever could!
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 24, 2019 2:38:36 GMT -5
I always thought the comparison to the Hyacinthus and Apollo story was meant to be an explanation of what happened with Paul in the Beatles. Hyacinthus was killed by a head wound, but Apollo promised to tell his story in song, and keep his memory alive, just as (the story goes) Paul suffered a head wound and died, but 'Sir Paul' has kept his memory alive in song. www.commonlit.org/en/texts/apollo-and-hyacinthusSun King at TKIN published some pictures of "Ringo" that looked an awful lot like Tara. They are here too, somewhere. He seems to have been involved. I don't recall ACV stating "quite clearly that Tara and Paul were romantically and sexually infatuated with one another" either. In fact, he was so obtuse about it that I never quite got what he was suggesting - at any level. I interpreted it (and still believe) as representing Paul and Tara...and that JPM would keep his memory alive in song...and that they were secret lovers. Not straight homosexuals...but closet bi-sexuals.
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 24, 2019 2:43:43 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for all your deep insight and intelligent comments! Much love!
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Post by ekauqodielak on Mar 29, 2019 1:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by timmyb52 on Mar 30, 2019 2:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by ekauqodielak on Mar 30, 2019 6:15:14 GMT -5
OK, so who is Vulcan in our story? ‘John’? He clearly suffered from poor impulse control and blinding jealousy that often led to violence and vituperation. Maybe that’s who ‘Paul’ wanted to be forced to see his chipped tooth? My original instinct was that ‘Chipped Tooth Paul’ took the maiming as an opportunity to be ‘The Only Paul’ for a while and was quickly out maneuvered when three others were given matching cuts to their upper lips.
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Post by ramone on Mar 30, 2019 10:30:52 GMT -5
From K's source - "In fact that was why I started to grow a moustache. It was pretty embarrassing, because around that time you knew your pictures would get winged off to teeny-boppery magazines like 16, and it was pretty difficult to have a new picture taken with a big fat lip. So I started to grow a moustache - a sort of Sancho Panza - mainly to cover where my lip had been sewn. The quote above was taken from the Beatles Bible website which dates the incident as Sunday 26 December 1965. So therein lies problem number one. Paul claims there was an “incredible full moon”, only if one checks that statement out [HERE] it will reveal that the moon was actually in a new moon phase on this date, ergo, no moon would have been visible." I'm not really buying the 'this is where the mustache thing started' explanation. Could be, but it reminds me of the 'this is where the sgt pepper idea came from' explanation.
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Post by ramone on Mar 30, 2019 10:35:42 GMT -5
In the context of ACV - for accuracy (as part of a quote):
"One last thing, in the world scene that exist on this forum, most fail to see what happens to a person when one they love passes. There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not.
Apollo"
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Post by ekauqodielak on Mar 30, 2019 19:48:10 GMT -5
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Post by ramone on Mar 30, 2019 22:45:37 GMT -5
Hi K, no, it's not from your link. A PM to someone. Some more of it:
"One last thing, in the world scene that exist on this forum, most fail to see what happens to a person when one they love passes. There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not.
Yet, back in the day, these types of relationships were not that uncommon. The Royal's took care of themselves. Always keen to stay out of the commoners mind thought. Tara was, in so many words, quite the playboy. And jolly got what he wanted. When trouble occurs, damage control becomes the story. Wife? Yeah, sorta. Kids? Well, this makes things a trifle more difficult. See above for clarification. We do as we're told, we believe what is told. Ask no questions, and sweep it under the rug.
Still, his passing has had a profound effect on Paul. It is a scar that he shows now with pride. Nothing to hide, and no regrets. A better man from the experience. Let's leave it at that.
If the story that surrounds this forum was as "cut and dried" as they would like it to be, then it would be time to turn off the lights and go home. Case solved! Nothing to see here, move along folks. He's dead, set you down father, rest you. Here's the dirty little secret, they haven't a clue. They have yet to scratch the surface. So, the comedy of errors continue. Much to my delight. I did not start this, and damn if I will finish it. I alluded where to look, how to look, and how to listen. If they ignore me, then so be it. I have nothing at stake. Nor, am I dead..................yet.
Apollo"
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Post by ekauqodielak on Mar 31, 2019 0:03:38 GMT -5
Hi K, no, it's not from your link. A PM to someone. Some more of it: "One last thing, in the world scene that exist on this forum, most fail to see what happens to a person when one they love passes. There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not.
Yet, back in the day, these types of relationships were not that uncommon. The Royal's took care of themselves. Always keen to stay out of the commoners mind thought. Tara was, in so many words, quite the playboy. And jolly got what he wanted. When trouble occurs, damage control becomes the story. Wife? Yeah, sorta. Kids? Well, this makes things a trifle more difficult. See above for clarification. We do as we're told, we believe what is told. Ask no questions, and sweep it under the rug.
Still, his passing has had a profound effect on Paul. It is a scar that he shows now with pride. Nothing to hide, and no regrets. A better man from the experience. Let's leave it at that.
If the story that surrounds this forum was as "cut and dried" as they would like it to be, then it would be time to turn off the lights and go home. Case solved! Nothing to see here, move along folks. He's dead, set you down father, rest you. Here's the dirty little secret, they haven't a clue. They have yet to scratch the surface. So, the comedy of errors continue.Much to my delight. I did not start this, and damn if I will finish it. I alluded where to look, how to look, and how to listen. If they ignore me, then so be it. I have nothing at stake. Nor, am I dead..................yet.
Apollo"
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Post by IWILL on Mar 31, 2019 8:06:05 GMT -5
invanddis.proboards.com/thread/5636/follow-apollo Follow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows he's the greatest benefactor of mankindFollow Mr. Apollo Everybody knows that a healthy body makes a healthy mind
You know! You know! He's the strongest man The world has ever seen And if you take his courses He'll make you big and rough And... And you can kick the sand Right back in their faces! Kick! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! lol
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Post by B on Mar 31, 2019 20:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 1, 2019 2:51:36 GMT -5
Sounds like Mr. Apollo should be in the Guinness Book of World Records!
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Post by lucy on Apr 1, 2019 6:58:27 GMT -5
Sounds like Mr. Apollo should be in the Guinness Book of World Records!
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Post by ramone on Apr 1, 2019 15:55:14 GMT -5
"regarding clues found in the MMT booklet, you [unknown] show the pic of John and George during the “Death Cab for Cutie” sequence, and state that no clues were found on that page.
But, the clue IS the picture!
It shows (memory lapse) either John or George wearing an item with a HEART on it, while sitting in a CLUB, watching a BAND.
It’s as though they chose to draw attention back to Pepper.
WHY?
And all this years before any of the PID rumours came to the surface.
What are we missing?
Apollo"
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 1, 2019 20:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by B on Apr 2, 2019 9:39:17 GMT -5
Of course if you use a regular pack of cards for divination, the Ace of Spades represents Death, so what may be missing is the actual dead person in this instance. The diamonds, of course, are in the sky!
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Post by B on Apr 2, 2019 16:23:13 GMT -5
"...If they ignore me, then so be it. I have nothing at stake. Nor, am I dead..................yet. Apollo" What a curious thing to say. It's not as if the yellow flowers on the Sgt Pepper cover spelled out "Neil?" Not to be callous, but why would we care if Neil Aspinall was dead? At the time this was written, we didn't know who 'Apollo' was, so he could have been Paul. I mean, we might have thought that that's who wrote this. And maybe that's how it is to be taken, given that the name "Apollo C Vermouth" was a McCartney alias to begin with.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 2, 2019 19:15:40 GMT -5
"...If they ignore me, then so be it. I have nothing at stake. Nor, am I dead..................yet. Apollo" What a curious thing to say. It's not as if the yellow flowers on the Sgt Pepper cover spelled out "Neil?" Not to be callous, but why would we care if Neil Aspinall was dead? lol
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 2, 2019 19:18:32 GMT -5
I just realized they were “Four Suits”, four guys in suits, a pack of cards.
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