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Post by cayetana on Aug 27, 2023 13:06:49 GMT -5
But why all the mystery? How’s it different from, say, the story of Jimi Hendrix who allegedly was killed for money? Jimi was and still is an iconic figure in his own right but no one talks in riddles about him or asks us to look for answers on an album cover (not trying to be captain obvious here, I know these questions have been asked for ages, just thinking aloud). I can’t help thinking there’s a whole different dimension to it when I revisit Apollo’s post such as these: “I say, the truth is hidden in plain sight. Every piece of the puzzle, in one box. To understand that is to understand the length, width, and depth of what you wish to uncover. Eschew obsfucation! “ “ The story unfolds before your eyes and ears for those that connect the dots. Many of you see things that are not there. Much energy spent on ghosts that fail to materialize. Questions asked that lay unanswered which will add a crucial piece of the puzzle. Too many people doing too many things to notice the key that lies at your feet. Get back to the basics. Tread old ground, for there are truly Flowers In The Dirt. “ He kept hinting it’s in plain sight. He said “many have actually hit the mark” so this shows it’s perfectly solvable (thought I’d like to see at least one of these “many”). More so, Liam Steen has said that “Paul’s fate is simpler than a lot of people think but the clues are way more deeply developed”. Does it imply that Paul’s fate is just the starting point of this magical mystery tour? That’s it’s something bigger than that? I guess so. I just don’t get what we’re missing (again, just thinking aloud). “ Too many people doing too many things to notice the key that lies at your feet.” I mean… yeah 🥵 I agree that Paul’s fate was simpler than most think… And the clues way more complex than they needed to be… Perhaps that’s the only way they could do it… I remember Apollo saying “you’ve been jacked off since day one“… Lol But what was this fate exactly? And why are the clues so elaborate? I wonder if they thought of it as an art project of sorts dedicated to JPM and we were supposed to find out which parts of it were based on the real events and which were just artistic imagination? Like when you read a novel or study a painting you discover that certain characters are based on people that existed and some are there just for arts sake? Or maybe their message was more than just Paul? Didn’t John say something about reporting on the state they were in? Maybe they wanted to give us some idea of what was happening to them and that’s why the clues are complex? Just mulling it over really …
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Post by joseph on Aug 27, 2023 19:26:49 GMT -5
I agree that Paul’s fate was simpler than most think… And the clues way more complex than they needed to be… Perhaps that’s the only way they could do it… I remember Apollo saying “you’ve been jacked off since day one“… Lol But what was this fate exactly? And why are the clues so elaborate? I wonder if they thought of it as an art project of sorts dedicated to JPM and we were supposed to find out which parts of it were based on the real events and which were just artistic imagination? Like when you read a novel or study a painting you discover that certain characters are based on people that existed and some are there just for arts sake? Or maybe their message was more than just Paul? Didn’t John say something about reporting on the state they were in? Maybe they wanted to give us some idea of what was happening to them and that’s why the clues are complex? Just mulling it over really … Maybe it's you - have you thought about that? Have you asked yourself, "Why can I not go anywhere other than square one?" "Why am I stuck in a timewarp where nothing has changed since 1969?" Why did you even make this post? You will be saying the same thing in 2033 if you don't change yourself. You can't even describe anything but your own cluelessness, though what constitutes a "clue" I need to ask you what your opinion on that is? I'll tell you what I think imposter replacements have in common - their intelligence is artificial. So if you're talking about anything "John Lennon" said after the middle of 1964, you are getting your understanding from an AI. Artificial intelligences for artificial understanding. There's loads of questions I can't ask you because the response would be artificial.
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Post by cayetana on Aug 28, 2023 6:07:16 GMT -5
But what was this fate exactly? And why are the clues so elaborate? I wonder if they thought of it as an art project of sorts dedicated to JPM and we were supposed to find out which parts of it were based on the real events and which were just artistic imagination? Like when you read a novel or study a painting you discover that certain characters are based on people that existed and some are there just for arts sake? Or maybe their message was more than just Paul? Didn’t John say something about reporting on the state they were in? Maybe they wanted to give us some idea of what was happening to them and that’s why the clues are complex? Just mulling it over really … Maybe it's you - have you thought about that? Have you asked yourself, "Why can I not go anywhere other than square one?" "Why am I stuck in a timewarp where nothing has changed since 1969?" Why did you even make this post? You will be saying the same thing in 2033 if you don't change yourself. You can't even describe anything but your own cluelessness, though what constitutes a "clue" I need to ask you what your opinion on that is? I'll tell you what I think imposter replacements have in common - their intelligence is artificial. So if you're talking about anything "John Lennon" said after the middle of 1964, you are getting your understanding from an AI. Artificial intelligences for artificial understanding. There's loads of questions I can't ask you because the response would be artificial. I respectfully disagree — I do have my ideas about what happened so I’m not exactly clueless. I know I might never get any definite answers but I love asking questions and I enjoy the journey. Adds another dimension to my Beatle experience, if nothing else. I understand Apollo’s take on things isn’t for everyone however it worked for me and a few others. I love reading your posts, they’re very thought provoking but it’s not how I see this particular story. I think it’s a very human story (for lack of a better word) of someone who very likely became disillusioned with the industry and decided to “play dead”, something his band mates were trying to tell us about but not only that: I believe they were also trying to tell us what was happening to them at certain stages of their life in the industry. I may very well be wrong but as I said at least I’ve enjoyed the journey.
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Post by joseph on Aug 29, 2023 0:16:08 GMT -5
Maybe it's you - have you thought about that? Have you asked yourself, "Why can I not go anywhere other than square one?" "Why am I stuck in a timewarp where nothing has changed since 1969?" Why did you even make this post? You will be saying the same thing in 2033 if you don't change yourself. You can't even describe anything but your own cluelessness, though what constitutes a "clue" I need to ask you what your opinion on that is? I'll tell you what I think imposter replacements have in common - their intelligence is artificial. So if you're talking about anything "John Lennon" said after the middle of 1964, you are getting your understanding from an AI. Artificial intelligences for artificial understanding. There's loads of questions I can't ask you because the response would be artificial. I respectfully disagree — I do have my ideas about what happened so I’m not exactly clueless. I know I might never get any definite answers but I love asking questions and I enjoy the journey. Adds another dimension to my Beatle experience, if nothing else. I understand Apollo’s take on things isn’t for everyone however it worked for me and a few others. I love reading your posts, they’re very thought provoking but it’s not how I see this particular story. I think it’s a very human story (for lack of a better word) of someone who very likely became disillusioned with the industry and decided to “play dead”, something his band mates were trying to tell us about but not only that: I believe they were also trying to tell us what was happening to them at certain stages of their life in the industry. I may very well be wrong but as I said at least I’ve enjoyed the journey. Well have you got any evidence of him playing dead other than someone on the Internet said something? When was he supposed to be playing dead? When he went to bed at night? Because I've got - just like everybody else - pictures of the same guy in 1965 appearing in media in 1968 and the rest so he's only playing dead part time, the rest of the time he's playing alive. This means that if there's any fake moustaches or prosthetic noses or even other Paul McCartney lookalikes it doesn't matter, because we've got images of the same guy before and after the alleged incident. Now this is where it gets serious because there is a Paul McCartney who I don't see again after June 1964 and he's with a John, George and Ringo that I don't see again after June 1964. Do you know what that feels like? Have you ever watched that film Theatre of Blood where Vincent Price's character is killing off critics who panned his show? The critic played by Robert Morley gets his beloved pet poodles fed to him and then told, and then killed! This is what the whole of The Fetals ouvre from half of A Hard Day's Night through Beatles For Sale up to today's appreciation of them by the culture we live in means to me now. It's worse than the movie by several orders of magnitude, because it's happening and it's like being fed your own children. The way I've overcome that is by confessing and repenting. Confessing that they disappeared and repenting the works, lives and influences of the imposters. That clears my conscience so I can move on. That's the trouble I have with people who cannot move on from the 1969 PID narrative that is basically a cottage industry now - I am forced to ask if they can't move on because they haven't got a clear conscience? The consequence of clearing your conscience is it leaves space for someone else who suffered the same fate to get in there. After The Beatles in 2018 I discovered Michael Jackson and all his family were replaced. I've not done what I can for them, because there is nothing I can do for them. I can only confess and repent to get myself out of this. You see even though I've got nothing to do with this I still have to confess and repent my ignorance and inattentiveness.
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Post by cayetana on Aug 29, 2023 8:01:30 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree — I do have my ideas about what happened so I’m not exactly clueless. I know I might never get any definite answers but I love asking questions and I enjoy the journey. Adds another dimension to my Beatle experience, if nothing else. I understand Apollo’s take on things isn’t for everyone however it worked for me and a few others. I love reading your posts, they’re very thought provoking but it’s not how I see this particular story. I think it’s a very human story (for lack of a better word) of someone who very likely became disillusioned with the industry and decided to “play dead”, something his band mates were trying to tell us about but not only that: I believe they were also trying to tell us what was happening to them at certain stages of their life in the industry. I may very well be wrong but as I said at least I’ve enjoyed the journey. Well have you got any evidence of him playing dead other than someone on the Internet said something? When was he supposed to be playing dead? When he went to bed at night? Because I've got - just like everybody else - pictures of the same guy in 1965 appearing in media in 1968 and the rest so he's only playing dead part time, the rest of the time he's playing alive. This means that if there's any fake moustaches or prosthetic noses or even other Paul McCartney lookalikes it doesn't matter, because we've got images of the same guy before and after the alleged incident. Now this is where it gets serious because there is a Paul McCartney who I don't see again after June 1964 and he's with a John, George and Ringo that I don't see again after June 1964. Do you know what that feels like? Have you ever watched that film Theatre of Blood where Vincent Price's character is killing off critics who panned his show? The critic played by Robert Morley gets his beloved pet poodles fed to him and then told, and then killed! This is what the whole of The Fetals ouvre from half of A Hard Day's Night through Beatles For Sale up to today's appreciation of them by the culture we live in means to me now. It's worse than the movie by several orders of magnitude, because it's happening and it's like being fed your own children. The way I've overcome that is by confessing and repenting. Confessing that they disappeared and repenting the works, lives and influences of the imposters. That clears my conscience so I can move on. That's the trouble I have with people who cannot move on from the 1969 PID narrative that is basically a cottage industry now - I am forced to ask if they can't move on because they haven't got a clear conscience? The consequence of clearing your conscience is it leaves space for someone else who suffered the same fate to get in there. After The Beatles in 2018 I discovered Michael Jackson and all his family were replaced. I've not done what I can for them, because there is nothing I can do for them. I can only confess and repent to get myself out of this. You see even though I've got nothing to do with this I still have to confess and repent my ignorance and inattentiveness. Like I said, it’s your journey and I appreciate it very much and love learning about it but I have mine and while I’m well aware it might lead me to a dead end it’s been rewarding so far so I’m sticking to it. And anyway, why is it so important what I believe? It’s not likely to affect the Beatle mystery one way or another. I say, let us follow our respective paths and see where it brings us. Maybe that’s the whole point of it after all: as Letter B once said, what you find at the end of the road is you (above other things). I love that. Peace.
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Post by ramone on Sept 1, 2023 11:06:53 GMT -5
I'm no expert but I've found sometimes we don't feel guilty about things we should and feel guilty about things we shouldn't.
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Liam Steen
Sept 5, 2023 10:24:11 GMT -5
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Post by cayetana on Sept 5, 2023 10:24:11 GMT -5
Thx cay…. I read the first two chapters, which was all I could find… It’s interesting… Kind of reminds me of a fleshed out version of the 60 if “document” with some things changed around… he probably has at least some of the story, correct… Funny that he mentions ACV is actually Neil… biggest difference is obviously that Liam says JPM died, while ACV was pretty adamant about JPM living on and that the rest of the band was not quite amused with his “holiday“… Well, for what it’s worth… Turns out someone actually asked LS about JPM’s death and how they thought it wasn’t meant to be taken literally and LS replied, “You’ve got it” 🤷🏻♀️ Like it was meant simply to provoke people into asking more questions about what had happened? Or, if JPM is still alive, he just doesn’t want to have his cover blown? Not yet? I wonder if he has any online presence. I’d expect him to at this day and age.
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Post by Red Lion on Sept 5, 2023 15:50:08 GMT -5
So LS is contradicting himself… the October 5th dying in the bathroom thing sounded too weird anyways…
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Post by cayetana on Sept 6, 2023 7:00:20 GMT -5
So LS is contradicting himself… the October 5th dying in the bathroom thing sounded too weird anyways… It is very weird. People who talked to him say he sounds legit but I don’t get why he had to invent this story (because it seems very much like a made up story to me, maybe intentionally so). When I first saw it my initial reaction was, is it yet another riddle? They never say what happened to JPM, they always seem to talk around it but still imply he’s “dead”. The bass drum clue, the OPD, the black carnation, the skull in the Magical Mystery booklet, “Number 49 here lie buried”, now this… Or maybe the sheer absurdity of this new narrative is a not so subtle hint urging us to revisit the story without taking the “death “ literally? Because lots of people in the PID circles understand JPM was replaced but how many of them move on from the literal death scenario? LS insisted the clues are more of an art project thing. If so, maybe what he’s saying is, it doesn’t matter if it’s “Paul died in a car accident “ or “Paul died in his bathroom “ , the specifics isn’t important, we should go beyond that level because it’s just a symbol that, if we pay enough attention, will lead us to the real story. In other words, a lot of what’s written is down to interpretation. EDIT: RL, is it ok with you if I PM you? There’s something I’d like your opinion on.
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Post by ramone on Sept 12, 2023 15:42:31 GMT -5
To me, it's pretty hard to deny a replacement.
But yes, the whole death scenario can be up for grabs as far as exactly what's meant.
If we look at flowers in the dirt (Sgt P) it seems to be telling us A Beatles exists but THE Beatles don't anymore.
But, even that is an 'out front - what people see' thing - if in fact JPM was still behind the scenes contributing.
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Liam Steen
Sept 15, 2023 0:07:53 GMT -5
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Post by joseph on Sept 15, 2023 0:07:53 GMT -5
To me, it's pretty hard to deny a replacement. But yes, the whole death scenario can be up for grabs as far as exactly what's meant. If we look at flowers in the dirt (Sgt P) it seems to be telling us A Beatles exists but THE Beatles don't anymore. But, even that is an 'out front - what people see' thing - if in fact JPM was still behind the scenes contributing. Where's the evidence for him working behind the scenes? Also you can't have The Beatles and A Beatles. The is the definitive article and you're not being definitive. Who made Sgt Pepper's was it The Beatles or A Beatles? If there's more than one Beatles all the albums are made by A Beatles, aren't they?
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Liam Steen
Sept 20, 2023 15:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by maclen on Sept 20, 2023 15:39:42 GMT -5
"Liam" is a stupid committee
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