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Post by joseph on Jan 2, 2022 9:36:33 GMT -5
I found this audio of a "destroyed-by-the-BBC" appearance of The Beatles on Juke Box Jury in 1963 while investigating the replacement of Elvis Presley. Anyone who knows me, knows what I think of The Beatles and when I think they got replaced, so it was just a matter of me putting 'beatles+interview+audio+1965' into the youtube search engine and listening to the results.
Now people can reply to this with, "It's the same guys" or "they sound the same to me." You're perfectly entitled to do so. I'm not going to argue with you, not going to debate it. What I will say is It's crystal clear to me.
It's also possible to tell in the second clip that they are impersonating the characteristics of the real Beatles. This playing to character is even reinforced by Eamonn Andrews when he asks a member of the audience ,"Which one has the glamour; which one has the command etc." This had been imprinted on the public in Epstein's book "A Cellarful Of Noise."
Apart from the voices and characters, compare the tone of the 63 Beatles to 1965. Wolf Mankowitz has been brought on because he'd written an article saying The Beatles had contempt for their audience. Listen to that 1963 show - do they have contempt for their audience? Absolutely not. Conversely there is nothing but contempt in 1965 - it just oozes out with everything they say.
This is all part of the masterplan. What else have they got for an audience when they killed four guys and replaced them with four others other than contempt? Every member of The Featles cannot be serious for a second - even when playing to character. Even Ringo in the first video where he says, "[Elvis] the past couple of years he's gone down the nick" has more gravitas than anything The Featles say in the second
Another thing I wanted to say, which pertains to what I've been saying about doppelgängers not being able to retire from gigging, is that the personality that Faul presents to the public today has not changed one iota since he assumed the identity of Paul McCartney. There's been no growth or development in his charisma since 1964.
This other clip from 1965 might have been talked about before, I don't know. They get asked how they got the name The Beatles and they all say, "John thought of it." Including John! This could be dismissed as clownery, but for the blushing cringe reflex he's clearly experiencing when he says, "Who said that?" shortly after.
What you have to accept when you accept my explanation of history, is that The Beatles are not around for the release and premiere of A Hard Day’s Night (album and film) - just like Sean Connery's not around for the premiere of Goldfinger. Their ouvre - their offering to the music of truth - ends around the time of Can't Buy Me Love/You Can't Do That. All those "classics" that came after those - Sgt Pepper's, Hey Jude, All You Need Is Love etc. - are coming from, and returning to, the pit of despair. Thank you.
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Post by joseph on Jan 5, 2022 7:42:56 GMT -5
Found a couple of videos that are an even clearer comparison of Beatles vs Featles than the two NME gigs from May 64 and March 65. These two are even closer together in time being from June 15th 1964 and October 1965. Once upon a time I thought this first concert could have been performed by The Featles, but it's definitely the same guys who did The NME show earlier in the year. It's the one where the John Lennon lookalike crashes the stage and shakes his hand.
This clip is from the show Shindig, which is an American show but was recorded in London. Faul is the Faul of Wings and his solo career and his duets with Michael Jackson's and Stevie Wonder's imposter replacements. What's noticeable is the contempt I spoke about earlier. That impression of a brain damaged handicapped person the John Lennon impersonator does while singing is about as contemptuous as it can get.
There's a sub genre to this Paul is Dead conspiracy theory that says The Beatles never existed. The greatest likelihood is that four guys were being led to the slaughter before they released their first record, and that they owed their fame and popularity to the media machine that was leading them to the slaughter. It's Worth bearing in mind that those four guys don't know they are being led to the slaughter. To them they are genuine and it shows in their performance. It was the Featles whose live performances were stopped in 1966 and it was they who sang "nothing is real" in Strawberry Fields.
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Post by beatlas231 on Jan 6, 2022 14:53:32 GMT -5
I found this audio of a "destroyed-by-the-BBC" appearance of The Beatles on Juke Box Jury in 1963 while investigating the replacement of Elvis Presley. Anyone who knows me, knows what I think of The Beatles and when I think they got replaced, so it was just a matter of me putting 'beatles+interview+audio+1965' into the youtube search engine and listening to the results. Now people can reply to this with, "It's the same guys" or "they sound the same to me." You're perfectly entitled to do so. I'm not going to argue with you, not going to debate it. What I will say is It's crystal clear to me. It's also possible to tell in the second clip that they are impersonating the characteristics of the real Beatles. This playing to character is even reinforced by Eamonn Andrews when he asks a member of the audience ,"Which one has the glamour; which one has the command etc." This had been imprinted on the public in Epstein's book "A Cellarful Of Noise." Apart from the voices and characters, compare the tone of the 63 Beatles to 1965. Wolf Mankowitz has been brought on because he'd written an article saying The Beatles had contempt for their audience. Listen to that 1963 show - do they have contempt for their audience? Absolutely not. Conversely there is nothing but contempt in 1965 - it just oozes out with everything they say. This is all part of the masterplan. What else have they got for an audience when they killed four guys and replaced them with four others other than contempt? Every member of The Featles cannot be serious for a second - even when playing to character. Even Ringo in the first video where he says, "[Elvis] the past couple of years he's gone down the nick" has more gravitas than anything The Featles say in the second Another thing I wanted to say, which pertains to what I've been saying about doppelgängers not being able to retire from gigging, is that the personality that Faul presents to the public today has not changed one iota since he assumed the identity of Paul McCartney. There's been no growth or development in his charisma since 1964. This other clip from 1965 might have been talked about before, I don't know. They get asked how they got the name The Beatles and they all say, "John thought of it." Including John! This could be dismissed as clownery, but for the blushing cringe reflex he's clearly experiencing when he says, "Who said that?" shortly after. What you have to accept when you accept my explanation of history, is that The Beatles are not around for the release and premiere of A Hard Day’s Night (album and film) - just like Sean Connery's not around for the premiere of Goldfinger. Their ouvre - their offering to the music of truth - ends around the time of Can't Buy Me Love/You Can't Do That. All those "classics" that came after those - Sgt Pepper's, Hey Jude, All You Need Is Love etc. - are coming from, and returning to, the pit of despair. Thank you. you act like the comeback in the works isn’t fitting your business model when in reality you should be happy to witness actual change in real time ”all of our messages were subliminal” |
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Post by joseph on Jan 15, 2022 5:27:33 GMT -5
I'll post this thought here, because I don't think it warrants a new thread and it's around the same time as Candlestick Park.
I've been looking through the setlists for Beatles concerts, and found it strange how little variety there was in their choice of material in the couple of years before they stopped playing live. Then I compared those with their studio album release dates, and I find the setlists extremely anomalous to the songs they are releasing.
The album Revolver was released on August 5th 1966. They last concert prior to that release was in Manila, Philippines on July 4th and they played this set:
Then they release Revolver which contains these songs:
The next concert they give is in Chicago, USA on August 12th and it has this setlist:
Where's the show? We are talking about Revolver here - the last album before Sgt Pepper's. It's not just the Revolver songs that are missing - there's all the other albums they've released since A Hard Day’s Night in June 1964: Beatles For Sale, Help! and Rubber Soul.
They are still doing mediocre numbers like She's A Woman and Baby's in Black that they were doing at the NME awards show on April 11th 1965. Here's the setlist for that:
What's missing here? It is not the expected behaviour of performing artists who write pop and rock & roll songs for an audience of their fans. A setlist should evolve as old songs are dropped and new ones added. Fan favourites should remain and perhaps be given new twists. Most importantly they should be showcasing the new Revolver songs immediately after it's release.
What this tells me is that they are not a real band of artists at this point. It's worth relistening to how they criticise Elvis (by that point Felvis) in 1963 for releasing an old song and not making progress with his music. They're not hypocrites - they are just not the real Beatles by the time Revolver is released and haven't been for a couple of years.
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Post by joseph on Jan 17, 2022 4:56:01 GMT -5
Let's do that same analysis for the albums and concerts between AHDN and Revolver. Beatles For Sale was released on December 5th 1964. From the wiki: The last "proper" concert they give before the release of BFS is in Bristol on November 10th and has this setlist: They then do a TV show on Nov 14th with this setlist Then it's a show recorded for radio at the Playhouse Theatre in London with this setlist: I've found a write up for this gig beatlesinlondon.com/november-17th-1964-the-beatles-on-top-gear/Then it's another TV show - Ready Steady Go on Nov 23rd playing these songs Then BFS is released on December 5th and that contains these songs: After the release of BFS they do a stint at the Hammersmith Odeon called "Another Beatles Christmas Show" which runs from Dec 23rd to Jan 15th 1965 where they play the same set every show Now it's not as bad as around the release of Revolver, but already the greatest band of all time has the artistic integrity of a covers band - and when I say artistic integrity I mean in its most basic meaning - playing the songs you're selling to your public. |
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Post by joseph on Jan 18, 2022 6:25:45 GMT -5
After those Hammersmith Odeon gigs, they start on the album and movie Help! I'll get to that but I've been knocked for six by this bit of info I found on wiki:
So they say, "John, the movie's gonna be called Help!" and he just whips up the song that night? I don't believe it. He's already said they were struggling to find new songs at Beatles For Sale in the post above. I think they've gone, "This is the movie title, here's the song." No wonder they struggled getting royalties, it's looking less and less likely that they even wrote most of the song's.
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Post by joseph on Jan 23, 2022 9:06:37 GMT -5
Let's look at the album released prior to Revolver, because as you will see The Fetals have learned how to play a couple more songs live during its production.
Rubber Soul was released on December 3rd 1965, and that same night they played the first concert of their 1965 tour of Great Britain in Glasgow. They had been given more time to produce that album, with the last live performance before going into the studio being Daly City, California on August 31st 1965. Their setlist for that concert was the same as all the others they gave on the 1965 North American Tour:
During the production of Rubber Soul they also recorded We Can Work It Out and Day Tripper. These two songs would have promo videos made for them at Twickenham Studios and they would also be performed at Granada Studios on November 2nd 1965. These are the the songs that were on Rubber Soul:
The setlist for the 1965 Tour of Great Britain - like the previous North American Tour- does not change. I will put an asterisk next to each song recorded during the Rubber Soul sessions and the source of the others in brackets
The tour runs for nine days with two shows per day at each venue. There is no available footage of these shows. The next gig they do is in May 1966 at the NME poll winners show where the cameras are switched off for their set.
Where are Michelle, In My Life and Drive My Car? Why do mediocre songs from Beatles For Sale like She's A Woman and Baby's in Black take precedence over them?
There's stories about them not getting royalties until the mid-70s or something (I'll have to look into that) but considering they are not the real John Lennon or Paul McCartney I don't think they have ever owned the Lennon-McCartney publishing and performing rights. I will leave you with some bloody awful Fetals performance from earlier in 1965 at Milan, Italy. World's greatest band My arsenal- they are the world's fakest band
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Post by joseph on Feb 5, 2022 13:58:36 GMT -5
Ladies and Gentlemen... The fackin Sex Pistols Better quality version at vimeo. The concert starts at 3:00 minutes vimeo.com/244758056I'll do Help! at another time, but it's the same story as with Revolver and Rubber Soul. Let's look at a different story- when the real Beatles took America by storm in February 1964. The album Meet The Beatles was released in the US on January 20th and on that day the Beatles were in the middle of their L'Olympia residency in Paris. They did the same set for each show during the residency The track listing on Meet The Beatles is The Paris residency finishes on February 4th. The Beatles then fly to America and after the two appearances on the Ed Sullivan Show on February 9th their next live performance is the Washington Coliseum concert on February 11th Twist and Shout and Please Please Me were on the album Introducing The Beatles which was released around the same time and in the US charts. I found this fact about the song She Loves You very interesting. It pretty much ties The Beatlemania media hype to the assassination of President Kennedy. The shows opening and closing songs would be released in the US on EPs in March and June. What you've got is The Beatles playing the songs they have recorded and released. This is what I mean by integrity. Not only that, the performance of these songs and the confident manner they possess is remarkably different to any performances after July 1964. |
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Post by joseph on Feb 7, 2022 2:08:03 GMT -5
Here we go. I'm gonna blow your mind now. A Hard Day's Night is an album I've been putting off listening to for ages, but I've finally done it. The problem is the real Beatles were disappeared before the release of the film and album, but were seen performing live after production and recording were completed. That puts a big dubious question mark on the contents.
The story of the album is that the songs on side one are from the movie and the songs on side two were recorded for, but not used in the film. I listened to the songs on side one and was wondering if it was the real Beatles until I listened to the opening track on side two and heard the distinctive voices of Faul and Fohn taking it in turns to sing the line "any time at all"
A Hard Day's Night sung by the real Beatles
Any Time At All sung by The Fetals
You can really hear Faul straining to reach the pitch and Fohn's scratchy vocals on Any Time At All. There's also slower numbers by Paul on side one and Faul on side two.
And I Love Her sung by Paul McCartney
Things We Said Today sung by Faul McFetal
Faul's voice is dreary as fuck I hope he's reading this. This next comparison is a lesson in holding a note. Listen to how John holds the "Wo wo IIIIIIIII..." in the opening line of I Should Have Known Better and also listen for the "oh" after he sings "and when I tell you that I love you
This side two song also has a "Wo wo IIIIII" the "home" in When I Get Home is the same note as the "oh" in the previous video. Fohn's voice is recognisable as that of his solo career and distinctly different to that of John Lennon
The last two songs on side two You Can't Do That and I'll Be Back are sung by the real Beatles.
It's ironic that the final song released by The Beatles was called I'll Be Back. It's such a shame we never got to see or hear them perform some of those songs from A Hard Day's Night Live. They never came back.
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Post by joseph on Feb 8, 2022 12:09:49 GMT -5
OMG! WTF!! EUREKA!!! Calm down now. I'll put the kettle on and we'll have a nice cup of tea.
As if yesterday's dismantling of A Hard Day's Night UK album release wasn't enough, out of curiosity I had a look to see if there were any differences between that and The US version of the album of the same name.
I was astonished to find that every song I identified as being made by The Fetals on AHDN UK does not appear on AHDN US. Here is the track listing for the US version:
That album was released in the US on June 26th 1964. The UK version with the extra tracks by The Fetals was released on July 10th 1964. The Beatles were permanently replaced sometime in this two week period. For comparison, here's the track listing for the UK version with Fetals tracks in bold
Being the mind changer that I am, I have had another listen to I'll Be Back and I think that's Fohn's vocals, so I have included that in bold. Of course this throws the AHDN version of You Can't Do That into some doubt. I'm trying to find the original b-side of Can't Buy Me Love version to compare. As of right now, that could be a re-recording.
Car crash 66? I love it. Ha Ha Ha Haaa!
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Post by B on Feb 26, 2022 22:08:35 GMT -5
I'm just posting this here because I like it; love it; yes I do!  Los Beatles en vivo desde el Shea Stadium -------------------------------------------------------------- The Bealtes Live At The State Fair Coliseum, Indianapolis, USA (Thursday 3rd September 1964)youtu.be/6yTOvNfUCuM ----- Diego mongelós Oct 21, 2021 |
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Post by joseph on Feb 27, 2022 19:06:28 GMT -5
Thanks for posting those horrific Fetals clips B. How is it "the greatest band of all time" had such bad production of their live performances between 64 & 66? I'll answer that for you. It's because the camera men and sound men were told not to linger on the band members lest anyone notice they were imposters.
There are only two Fetals performances in that time that had some quality in their production. Those were Shindig October 1964 and NME poll winners April 1965. On the Shindig one they are miming their instruments. They are a stark contrast to the real Beatles on Morecambe and Wise December 1963, NME poll winners May 1964 and Melbourne June 1964 where they rock the stage and have the audience in the palm of their hands through sheer verve and talent. Beatles 62-64 are my new favourite band
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Post by B on Feb 27, 2022 20:26:48 GMT -5
Um.... I seem to recall that TV technology of the time was bulky, heavy, not very portable, often operative in 'black and white' mode only, and requiring a place to plug in. What the public had available to it to film concerts was equally pathetic, generally speaking. No one in the US media would even have been looking for imposters at the time. It was hard enough to film and record the 'real' ones. Anyhoo.... The Beatles - Slideshow 1962 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Beatles Live At The NME Poll Winners’ All Star Concert (Sunday 26th April 1964)youtu.be/Pr_h-CfF-CM ------ sirpaulru Jun 8, 2019 |
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Post by joseph on Feb 28, 2022 2:09:47 GMT -5
You don't need technology to point the camera in the right direction. Furthermore not many people who pointed a camera at or stuck a microphone under the noses of The Beatles or Fetals would have been anything other than a spy or fully on board with the operations.
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Post by kvo on Feb 28, 2022 9:50:41 GMT -5
Um.... I seem to recall that TV technology of the time was bulky, heavy, not very portable, often operative in 'black and white' mode only, and requiring a place to plug in. What the public had available to it to film concerts was equally pathetic, generally speaking. No one in the US media would even have been looking for imposters at the time. It was hard enough to film and record the 'real' ones. Anyhoo.... The Beatles - Slideshow 1962 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Beatles Live At The NME Poll Winners’ All Star Concert (Sunday 26th April 1964)youtu.be/Pr_h-CfF-CM ------ sirpaulru Jun 8, 2019 I can only think of a couple of media types who seemed to have caught on to the changing faces of the Beatles and spoke up. One was a reporter in a 1966 interview who point blank asked them if they used doubles. Which, naturally, they immediately denied. Then there was Al Capp at the Montreal Bed In. He insinuated that the "John" he was looking at was an imposter saying something like "Well at least the other three fellas are English". When "John" asked him what he meant, Capp said "You're a smart guy, you figure it out". Can't think of any other instances where they got called out. Though in 1963 Dusty Springfield questioned Paul's peculiar eyebrows. |
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