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Post by paulumbo on May 24, 2008 16:04:06 GMT -5
I looked in slang book after slang book. I looked on slang websites. I looked in the Oxford dictionary. I couldn't find anything that remotely came close to John's "glass onion." Then I started thinking about visual images: what would look like a glass onion? And I thought of something: a helicopter. The old Bell helicopter's windshield looks just like a glass onion. These helicopters were introduced in 1960 and used by the police, the military, and for medical transport. I also found that the Bell47J2A was nicknamed the "Blue Jay" [!] I think it's something to look into.
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Post by iameye on May 24, 2008 16:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by plastic paul on May 24, 2008 16:40:48 GMT -5
I looked in slang book after slang book. I looked on slang websites. I looked in the Oxford dictionary. I couldn't find anything that remotely came close to John's "glass onion." Then I started thinking about visual images: what would look like a glass onion? And I thought of something: a helicopter. The old Bell helicopter's windshield looks just like a glass onion. These helicopters were introduced in 1960 and used by the police, the military, and for medical transport. I also found that the Bell47J2A was nicknamed the "Blue Jay" [!] I think it's something to look into. Cool, that certainly sounds plausible to me due to the "Blue Jay" link too, so it was a helicopter crash at sea or on the coast or something perhaps?
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Post by MikeNL on May 24, 2008 16:46:57 GMT -5
I looked in slang book after slang book. I looked on slang websites. I looked in the Oxford dictionary. I couldn't find anything that remotely came close to John's "glass onion." Then I started thinking about visual images: what would look like a glass onion? And I thought of something: a helicopter. The old Bell helicopter's windshield looks just like a glass onion. These helicopters were introduced in 1960 and used by the police, the military, and for medical transport. I also found that the Bell47J2A was nicknamed the "Blue Jay" [!] I think it's something to look into. Cool, that certainly sounds plausible to me due to the "Blue Jay" link too, so it was a helicopter crash at sea or on the coast or something perhaps? PM PP...!!!!!!!!!
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Post by thespacebetween on May 24, 2008 18:16:20 GMT -5
Glass Onion-Song-WikipediaGlass onion-Definition-WikipediaQuote- In England, a monocle is also referred to as a "glass onion". Quote- "Glass onion" is British slang for a monocle.Ringo's Rotogravure.Ringo is holding the magnifying glass to his eye as a monocle. Rotogravure is a process of printing large runs of color images usually in roll form. Album covers, I believe, would have been printed using the rotogravure process. I understand that , according to this page, the covers were laminated, that is, separately printed "slicks" were glued to the blank cardboard sleeves. The slicks were probably mass printed on roll stock using the rotogravure process and then cut and affixed to the sleeves. The back cover of Rotogravure, was the door of #3 Savile Row and has been discussed on this thread. In the song Glass Onion, I believe John is telling us to look closer at the cover(s) of Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour using a magnifying glass and to 'look' closer at the lyrics of the songs referenced in Glass Onion. Ringo seems to be clarifying this with Rotogravure. Remember, Pepper was supposed to come with 'extras' similar to the magnifying glass 'extra' that came with Rotogravure. From a press conference in Amsterdam, 1976: Question: There is a photo of the front door of Apple on the back of the cover, where did you get it?
Ringo: Neil Aspinall took it and sent us one each an I thought, "I'm gonna put it on the back of the album." It's a front door, but it's a back door too. It's got all these names scrawled on it from Finland. That's why you're getting a magnifying glass with the album, so you can read it all. And I thought it would be a nice bit of fun, especially for those who actually wrote on it. It used to be so smart, with a doorman and a pretty letterbox, and now it's just...yeah!
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Post by plastic paul on May 24, 2008 18:56:51 GMT -5
Glass Onion-Song-WikipediaGlass onion-Definition-WikipediaQuote- In England, a monocle is also referred to as a "glass onion". Quote- "Glass onion" is British slang for a monocle.Ringo's Rotogravure.Ringo is holding the magnifying glass to his eye as a monocle. Rotogravure is a process of printing large runs of color images usually in roll form. Album covers, I believe, would have been printed using the rotogravure process. I understand that , according to this page, the covers were laminated, that is, separately printed "slicks" were glued to the blank cardboard sleeves. The slicks were probably mass printed on roll stock using the rotogravure process and then cut and affixed to the sleeves. The back cover of Rotogravure, was the door of #3 Savile Row and has been discussed on this thread. In the song Glass Onion, I believe John is telling us to look closer at the cover(s) of Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour using a magnifying glass and to 'look' closer at the lyrics of the songs referenced in Glass Onion. Ringo seems to be clarifying this with Rotogravure. Remember, Pepper was supposed to come with 'extras' similar to the magnifying glass 'extra' that came with Rotogravure. From a press conference in Amsterdam, 1976: Question: There is a photo of the front door of Apple on the back of the cover, where did you get it?
Ringo: Neil Aspinall took it and sent us one each an I thought, "I'm gonna put it on the back of the album." It's a front door, but it's a back door too. It's got all these names scrawled on it from Finland. That's why you're getting a magnifying glass with the album, so you can read it all. And I thought it would be a nice bit of fun, especially for those who actually wrote on it. It used to be so smart, with a doorman and a pretty letterbox, and now it's just...yeah! Great post, I don't think this is a wild goose chase, it all seems to be too deliberate to be mere coincidence that this all appears to back up and link things together in to place.
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Post by MikeNL on May 24, 2008 19:03:14 GMT -5
Glass Onion-Song-WikipediaGlass onion-Definition-WikipediaQuote- In England, a monocle is also referred to as a "glass onion". Quote- "Glass onion" is British slang for a monocle.Ringo's Rotogravure.Ringo is holding the magnifying glass to his eye as a monocle. Rotogravure is a process of printing large runs of color images usually in roll form. Album covers, I believe, would have been printed using the rotogravure process. I understand that , according to this page, the covers were laminated, that is, separately printed "slicks" were glued to the blank cardboard sleeves. The slicks were probably mass printed on roll stock using the rotogravure process and then cut and affixed to the sleeves. The back cover of Rotogravure, was the door of #3 Savile Row and has been discussed on this thread. In the song Glass Onion, I believe John is telling us to look closer at the cover(s) of Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour using a magnifying glass and to 'look' closer at the lyrics of the songs referenced in Glass Onion. Ringo seems to be clarifying this with Rotogravure. Remember, Pepper was supposed to come with 'extras' similar to the magnifying glass 'extra' that came with Rotogravure. Great post, I don't think this is a wild goose chase, it all seems to be too deliberate to be mere coincidence that this all appears to back up and link things together in to place. can you reply to the PM ,please
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Post by iameye on May 24, 2008 19:38:39 GMT -5
nothing to do w/ a helicopter crash, though
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Post by iameye on May 24, 2008 20:51:47 GMT -5
Glass Onion-Song-WikipediaGlass onion-Definition-WikipediaQuote- In England, a monocle is also referred to as a "glass onion". Quote- "Glass onion" is British slang for a monocle.Ringo's Rotogravure.Ringo is holding the magnifying glass to his eye as a monocle. Rotogravure is a process of printing large runs of color images usually in roll form.Album covers, I believe, would have been printed using the rotogravure process. I understand that , according to this page, the covers were laminated, that is, separately printed "slicks" were glued to the blank cardboard sleeves. The slicks were probably mass printed on roll stock using the rotogravure process and then cut and affixed to the sleeves. The back cover of Rotogravure, was the door of #3 Savile Row and has been discussed on this thread. In the song Glass Onion, I believe John is telling us to look closer at the cover(s) of Sgt Pepper and Magical Mystery Tour using a magnifying glass and to 'look' closer at the lyrics of the songs referenced in Glass Onion. Ringo seems to be clarifying this with Rotogravure. Remember, Pepper was supposed to come with 'extras' similar to the magnifying glass 'extra' that came with Rotogravure. From a press conference in Amsterdam, 1976: Question: There is a photo of the front door of Apple on the back of the cover, where did you get it?
Ringo: Neil Aspinall took it and sent us one each an I thought, "I'm gonna put it on the back of the album." It's a front door, but it's a back door too. It's got all these names scrawled on it from Finland. That's why you're getting a magnifying glass with the album, so you can read it all. And I thought it would be a nice bit of fun, especially for those who actually wrote on it. It used to be so smart, with a doorman and a pretty letterbox, and now it's just...yeah! I knew a man who actually wore a monocle, and I personally saw this several times. At no time was a hand involved. LoL. you need two eyes to sea. did you know ancient artifacts include "glass lenses" that predate modern history of the current concepts (and not widley accredited) the telescopic lens?
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Post by thespacebetween on May 24, 2008 22:34:17 GMT -5
I knew a man who actually wore a monocle, and I personally saw this several times. At no time was a hand involved. LoL. you need two eyes to sea. did you know ancient artifacts include "glass lenses" that predate modern history of the current concepts (and not widley accredited) the telescopic lens? Of course, I've known for some time...I've had this book since it was published... www.robert-temple.com/crystalSunMain.htmlRead it and you'll understand why I'm TheSpaceBetween and I'm in The Tiny Gap. Quote- The quizzing glass is a sort of monocle held to one's eye with a long handle, in a similar fashion to a lorgnette. Lenses magnify detail... When was the Sgt Pepper cover index first published?
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Post by iameye on May 26, 2008 20:50:00 GMT -5
www.globemakers.com/facsimile/globe_alice.html Alice's Globe - where the characters of 'Alice in Wonderland' and 'Through the Looking Glass' match a known constellation in the heavens. "the term 'Looking Glass' is an old fashioned way of describing a telescope, curiouser t hat an astronomical telescope inverts/reverses the image being viewed in the same way that a mirror does. Curiouser still, because of this reversion, celestial globes are published depicting the stars in reverse, enabling the celestial globe to be used in conjunction with the telescope eliminating confusion. I believe that this is why Dodgson settled for 'Looking Glass' in his title. I also think it more than coincidence that so many celestial matches are to be found in Looking Glass."
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Post by B on May 26, 2008 22:59:08 GMT -5
I don't think it is fair to readers for you to post pictures in series, so that I have to shift to firefox, instead of running Internet Explorer, to get them to fit on the screen, Iameye. I know Jojo says there's supposed to be an automatic picture-size reducing feature on this site, but it appears to only work on individual pictures, not pictures strung together, side by side, that cause the screen presentation to widen to impracticality. This fits: More than that, side by side, don't. (And my screen DPI is on the standard setting.)
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Post by skyward on May 26, 2008 23:20:32 GMT -5
I don't think it is fair to readers for you to post pictures in series, so that I have to shift to firefox, instead of running Internet Explorer, to get them to fit on the screen, Iameye. I know Jojo says there's supposed to be an automatic picture-size reducing feature on this site, but it appears to only work on individual pictures, not pictures strung together, side by side, that cause the screen presentation to widen to impracticality. The Kramer picture works as it should, the problem is the 5 contiguous pictures beneath the Kramer picture. They are typed {img}a{/img}{img}b{/b} etc. with no space or carraige return between the two images, like this {img}a{/img} {img}b{/b} versus this: {img}a{/img}{img}b{/b}
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Post by B on May 26, 2008 23:25:25 GMT -5
Yes, I see now, and have modified my post accordingly. I hope Iameye (and Jojo) will take note. Evidently they use firefox, and don't see the problem, or have their screen settings on some insanely high number.
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Post by thespacebetween on May 27, 2008 1:03:44 GMT -5
www.globemakers.com/facsimile/globe_alice.html Alice's Globe - where the characters of 'Alice in Wonderland' and 'Through the Looking Glass' match a known constellation in the heavens. "the term 'Looking Glass' is an old fashioned way of describing a telescope, curiouser t hat an astronomical telescope inverts/reverses the image being viewed in the same way that a mirror does. Curiouser still, because of this reversion, celestial globes are published depicting the stars in reverse, enabling the celestial globe to be used in conjunction with the telescope eliminating confusion. I believe that this is why Dodgson settled for 'Looking Glass' in his title. I also think it more than coincidence that so many celestial matches are to be found in Looking Glass." Sitting in the stand of the sports arena (Sitting in an English Garden) Waiting for the show to begin (Waiting for the Sun) Red lights, green lights, strawberry wine,(Strawberry Fields Forever) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Browne He blew his mind out in a car, He didn't notice that the lights had changed, A crowd of people stood and stared, They'd seen his face before, Nobody was really sure If he was from the House of Lords. A good friend of mine, follows the stars, The stars behind the Band in Funny Suits. Stars in the sky, stars of entertainment, flowers in the dirt, flowers on the wizards cloaks, lenses in telescopes, cameras, spectacles.. Venus and Mars Are alright tonight. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_and_Mars_(Botticelli)Quote- Botticelli's theme is that the power of love can defeat the warrior's strength. www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=ng915Quote- Mars, god of war, was one of the lovers of Venus, goddess of love. Here Mars is asleep and unarmed, while Venus is awake and alert. The meaning of the picture is that love conquers war, or love conquers all. Love is all you need..and peace with flowers. www.getty.edu/art/gettyguide/artObjectDetails?artobj=140176Quote- In the 1600s, the subject of Venus disarming her lover Mars was understood as an allegory of Peace en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VenusQuote- Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it is often called the Morning Star or the Evening Star. It is the brightest natural object in the night sky, except for the Moon Star light, star bright, The first star I see tonight, I wish I may, I wish I might, Have the wish I wish tonight As an aside...The Walrus eats oysters, Oysters make Pearls. Margaret means Pearl. Maggie is a form of Margaret. Rita is a form of Margaret. Lovely Maggie, Lovely Rita.... The Walrus was Paul.
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Post by iameye on May 27, 2008 6:19:26 GMT -5
Pardon the intrusion... There is more here than meets the kaleidoscope eyes. Is there a need to mention the "looking glass ties" to "Wool and Water"? Is it a waste of time to compare "rocking horse people" to the "Magical Mystery Boy" in MMT? The connections are there. The Walrus, and the egg. The challenge, "Let the fuckers figure this one out."
Apollo ties to the looking glass a reflection, back-wards and for-wards, endless....... wool and water, time running back-wards, but the queen is aware of this.....wool could be the means to conduct a current, water ....` Can you row?' the Sheep asked, handing her a pair of knitting-needles as she spoke.
"Water potential is the potential energy of water relative to pure water in reference conditions. It quantifies the tendency of water to move from one area to another due to osmosis, gravity, mechanical pressure, or matrix effects including surface tension. Water potential is measured in units of pressure and is commonly represented by the Greek letter (Psi)."
Make your mother sigh She's old enough to know better
the walrus deceives in plain sight, and has done so in a blink of an eye..... rocking horse people travel back-wards and for-wards, moving at a pace but not moving an inch....the magical mystery boy has lost his head............ the egg is forever out of reach, moving up a shelf and through the ceiling as Alice reaches out for it `I should like to buy an egg, please,' she said timidly.
`How do you sell them?'
`Fivepence farthing for one -- twopence for two,' the Sheep replied.
`Then two are cheaper than one?' Alice said in a surprised tone, taking out her purse.
`Only you must eat them both, if you buy two,' said the Sheep.
`Then I'll have one, please,' said Alice, as she put the money down on the counter. For she thought to herself, `They mightn't be at all nice, you know.'
The Sheep took the money, and put it away in a box: then she said `I never put things into people's hands -- that would never do -- you must get it for yourself.' And so saying, she went off to the other end of the shop, and set the egg upright on a shelf.
`I wonder why it wouldn't do?' thought Alice, as she groped her way among the tables and chairs, for the shop was very dark towards the end. `The egg seems to get further away the more I walk towards it. Let me see, is this a chair? Why, it's got branches, I declare! How very odd to find trees growing here! And actually here's a little brook! Well, this is the very queerest shop I ever saw!'Sea Of Time o-u-t spells out universal time UT0 is Universal Time determined at an observatory by observing the diurnal motion of stars or extragalactic radio sources, and also from ranging observations of the Moon and artificial Earth satellites. It is uncorrected for the displacement of Earth's geographic pole from its rotational pole. This displacement, called polar motion, causes the geographic position of any place on Earth to vary by several metres, and different observatories will find a different value for UT0 at the same moment. It is thus not, strictly speaking, Universal. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Timereally love to watch them roll Look for the girl with the SUN in her eyes and she's gone
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Post by iameye on May 27, 2008 9:06:37 GMT -5
two columns, one black, one white with the space between, another glass onion? where's the bus? open heart surgery
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Post by iameye on May 27, 2008 15:57:14 GMT -5
Wendy Winters, Venus the winter solstice of 2012 we 'n d(a)y winters where's the bus? it can be seen through the "magic telescope".
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Post by paulumbo on May 27, 2008 17:25:13 GMT -5
I looked on the internet for listings of "onion" bottles and I found some. It's possible the reference could be a liquor bottle if you go with the idea that Paul turned into a drunk, but I think the helicopter idea may be valid, too. I think the monocle idea is too farfetched because it would be listed in some slang book and I didn't find it listed anywhere. Remember, Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable.
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Post by iameye on May 27, 2008 17:39:21 GMT -5
science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/07sep_lookingglass.htmHERO's optics, designed and built in Huntsville, include 96 tube-like "grazing incidence" mirrors nested like the layers of an onion.
Why the strange shape? Because high-energy X-rays would pass right through the kind of flat mirror we look in each morning over our toothpaste. To keep these high-energy photons from passing through, the mirrors must be angled almost sideways such that X-ray photons glance off the sides. From there, the photons travel down the tubes to detectors that form an image.2.4-meter mirror at the heart of the Hubble Space Telescope. Trying to see how the other half lives
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Post by paulumbo on May 27, 2008 17:53:34 GMT -5
Only problem with the mirror idea is that "Glass Onion" was written in 1968. John Lennon wouldn't have known about a mirror developed in the 21st. century.
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Post by iameye on May 27, 2008 19:30:06 GMT -5
Only problem with the mirror idea is that "Glass Onion" was written in 1968. John Lennon wouldn't have known about a mirror developed in the 21st. century. theoretically, yes A Wolter telescope is a telescope for X-rays using only grazing incidence optics. Visible light telescopes are built with lenses or parabolic mirrors. Neither works well for X-rays. Lenses for visible light are made of a transparent material with an index of refraction substantially different from 1, but there is no equivalent material for x-rays. Conventional mirror telescopes work poorly in the X-rays as well, since the light hits the mirrors at near-normal incidence, where the X-rays are transmitted or absorbed, not reflected. X-rays mirrors can be built, but only if the angle of incidence is very low (typically 10 arc-minutes to 2 degrees)[1]. These are called glancing incidence mirrors. In 1952, Hans Wolter outlined 3 ways a telescope could be built using only this kind of mirror.[2][3]. Not surprisingly, these are called Wolter telescopes of type I, II, and III. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolter_telescope
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Post by iameye on May 27, 2008 22:13:56 GMT -5
Dr. Gerard Kuiper, began airborne astronomy in 1966 Semolina Pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower. Elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna.
lenses are made of "elements" or simply layers (as an onion would be) the "penguin concept" is the housing of telescope machanics inside, and the lens is exposed to weather conditions. In observational astronomy an Einstein ring is the deformation of the light from a source (such as a galaxy or star) into a ring through gravitational deflection of the source's light by a lens (such as another galaxy, or a black hole). This occurs when the source, lens and observer are all aligned. Einstein was only considering the chance of observing Einstein rings produced by stars, which is low; however, the chance of observing those produced by larger lenses such as galaxies or black holes is higher since the angular size of an Einstein ring i ncreases with the mass of the lens.H undreds of gravitational lenses are currently known. About half a dozen of them are partial Einstein rings with diameters up to an arcsecond, although as either the mass distribution of the lenses is not perfectly axially symmetrical, or the source, lens and observer are not perfectly aligned, we have yet to see a perfect Einstein ring. Most rings have been discovered in the radio range.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_ring Since 1994 astronomers have known there is a new dwarf galaxy in the Milky Way's neighborhood. The astronomers found the Sagittarius Dwarf on the far side of the Milky Way. Because it is hidden behind the dust and stars that fill the galaxy's disk, it was difficult for astronomers to see the small galaxy, which is one-hundredth the mass of the Milky Way. It is on the far edge of our galaxy's disk A consortium of researchers from three continents -- called the "Spaghetti Collaboration" -- found new evidence suggesting the existence of three more star streams in the outer galaxy."It is exciting news to know that there are s tar streams in the outer galaxy, and things are messier, more beautiful, and more dynamic than originally thought," says Heather Morrison, an astronomer at Case Western Reserve University. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010515075430.htma light thief, a lens, a dwarf, pasta strands of stars climbing up, ONE lens singing the "great mantra" "Krishna consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind; this consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived ...[]... This chanting of 'Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare' is directly enacted from the spiritual platform, and thus this sound vibration surpasses all lower strata of consciousness - namely sensual, mental, and intellectual .." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Krishnatime stops in a black hole (according to einstein) climbing up einstein's tower en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_Towerwww.youtube.com/watch?v=-oLf15crdbo aunt j's nightmare "It's intake, Jessie, not output." "remember" swinging tower, dwarf and lens everyone in the dining room links arms and circle the tables"Benendello, help me up the stairs" mirror, mirror
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Post by iameye on May 28, 2008 6:15:19 GMT -5
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Post by skyward on May 29, 2008 9:10:31 GMT -5
Dr. Gerard Kuiper, began airborne astronomy in 1966 Semolina Pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower. Elementary penguin singing Hare Krishna.
lenses are made of "elements" or simply layers (as an onion would be) the "penguin concept" is the housing of telescope machanics inside, and the lens is exposed to weather conditions. The MMT, wizard's lab scene, Paul is the black rose - grandfatheraleister shows George with a telescope. When you 'close up' a spyglass or a telescope, you might say it resembles an onion with layers; one end has a smaller diameter than the other end.
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