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Post by revolver on Mar 1, 2004 18:24:55 GMT -5
Back at 60if they always claimed that George sang FOTH, rather than Faul or another impersonator. I've listened to the final and the anthology versions and they all sound like Faul to me. Some parts do sound a little like George, but not the entire song. I guess a voice-print would be the only way to tell for sure.
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 1, 2004 21:54:49 GMT -5
I justed watched MMT last night, it sounds like someone who's inbetween them to me.
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Post by Fun King on Mar 2, 2004 3:13:49 GMT -5
For me it's Paul (Or Faul).
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Post by -Wings- on Mar 2, 2004 3:41:18 GMT -5
Well, here's my impression of the two takes on Anthology 2, and the final one on MMT:
The Fool on the Hill Demo sounds rather like who we've been calling Faul. Since this is a rough version, it's not as "sing-songy" as the other two, and is slightly more spoken, and the voice sounds like the one I hear on December 20th, 1966, as well as during the "LSD interview." However, it doesn't sound like Paul McCartney pre-Sgt. Pepper.
The Fool on the Hill (Take 4) is closer to the final version, and some parts sound vaguely like George Harrison, but it actually resembles Neil Aspinall's voice a lot more. Personally, I don't hear the same man I heard in the demo, but this is most probably the same voice heard in the final version.
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Post by AcrosticUnicorn on Mar 2, 2004 9:19:30 GMT -5
Where do we have actual evidence of Neil Aspinall singing anything? I've been collecting Beatle bootlegs and Beatle-related recordings for over twenty years and I've never come across anything that was supposed to be Neil singing.
I've also spent countless hours over the past quarter century analyzing each Beatle's vocals for imitation purposes (for various Beatle tribute bands, taking on different vocal roles depending on what was needed). "Fool On The Hill" is definitely not George. George pronounces his vowels differently, he sings from a different place in his throat, and his regional Liverpudlian accent's different and more pronounced.
It's Paul.
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Post by Ian777 on Mar 2, 2004 13:00:38 GMT -5
i have to chorus Unicorn's deduction; George had such a distinctive voice, as all four had, that I hear no ambiguous room for misinterpretation. To my ears, it's Paul.
BUT, as anyone who ever saw the production of BEATLEMANIA can attest, there are talented vocalists in this world who are blessed with the tone and timbre of voice who can (and do) make a living singing like Mcca.
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Post by lj on Mar 2, 2004 13:44:09 GMT -5
first let me say that i admit i have a pretty bad ear ;D. i can't tell one note from the other, LOL. but FOTH sounds a little like george at some points. i agree it's not the whole song. and maybe what they did was to overdub one's voice over the other's. is that possible? i mean, it could be. maybe we're listening to two people singing the same song, and that's why it may sound like george at some points, and like "faul" or paul at some others.
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Post by AcrosticUnicorn on Mar 2, 2004 14:10:43 GMT -5
Well, yes, it's certainly possible -- and the perfect example of this is the classic argument of who sings "She loves you, yeah yeah yeah, we love you, yeah yeah yeah" in "All You Need Is Love" -- I've seen this debated a number of times on the internet. "Is it Paul? Is it John?"
I just watched the video a couple of nights ago. It's both. It's another example of how well both men's voices blended when they were singing in unison.
When I get home tonight, I'll consult the Recording Sessions book (not vintage documents, no legal proof) and see what I can learn about the recording of "Fool on the Hill." I didn't have access to posting on the 60IF boards and this was being discussed, but I did look up what I could on it, and I gotta say that the Anthology tracks and all the bootlegs I've collected from this session still bear out that it's Paul and only Paul singing on the track, and that the final release has, like so many of the tracks released in '67, been slightly sped up, which accounts for why the song is not exactly in tune and why Paul sounds "younger," and partly why his voice sounds like it's more in George's register and range.
I still defy anyone to produce a recording of Neil Apsinall singing.
[edit: It also occurs to me that it would be economically unfeasible to have lots of people overdubbing to try to make a "false Paul" sound like the real one -- particularly in 1967 where EMI was pretty stingy with their studio equipment... and the song's not double-tracked by any stretch. There's only one voice with maybe a touch of ADR to give it some depth.]
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Post by FlamingPie on Mar 2, 2004 14:56:00 GMT -5
first let me say that i admit i have a pretty bad ear ;D. i can't tell one note from the other, LOL. but FOTH sounds a little like george at some points. i agree it's not the whole song. and maybe what they did was to overdub one's voice over the other's. is that possible? i mean, it could be. maybe we're listening to two people singing the same song, and that's why it may sound like george at some points, and like "faul" or paul at some others. Yeah, it does sound a bit like a duet. But Paul's voice sounds very different in this song, compared to the voice on Yesterday.
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Post by AcrosticUnicorn on Mar 2, 2004 15:51:22 GMT -5
Yeah, it does sound a bit like a duet. That's the ADR -- where they take the vocal track and feed it back onto the tape at a slight delay so that it adds depth. It was a technique developed by the EMI engineers (I believe it was Geoff Emerick) who did it because John hated double-tracking and wanted a way to produce the same effect but only sing it once. It's used primarily in "Fool on the Hill" during the chorus. There's no variation in the vocal performance whatsoever, which is how you can tell it's ADR and not true double-tracking. Really? I just popped the two tunes on back-to-back on iTunes and just played them in random spots, and it certainly sounds like the same guy singing to me. The places I hit randomly were 22 seconds into "Fool" and 40 seconds into "Yesterday."
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Post by Ian777 on Mar 3, 2004 0:02:32 GMT -5
*ADT automatic double tracking...
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Post by AcrosticUnicorn on Mar 3, 2004 7:00:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I realized that yesterday I'd been typing ADR when I meant ADT long after I had no access to a computer. Now it's your turn to be pedantic <grin>
[edit] ...and justifiably so. Although the "A" in this case stands for "Artificial," not "Automatic." [/edit]
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Post by Ian777 on Mar 3, 2004 8:36:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I realized that yesterday I'd been typing ADR when I meant ADT long after I had no access to a computer. Now it's your turn to be pedantic <grin> [edit] ...and justifiably so. Although the "A" in this case stands for "Artificial," not "Automatic." [/edit] well,see ya bested me with the final sentence in the pedantic wars! I think it has been referred to both ways, it was AUTOMATIC double-tracking as they only had to sing it once. I only pointed out the adt so those who might not know what it was referring to could get straight. ;D
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Post by AcrosticUnicorn on Mar 3, 2004 8:49:27 GMT -5
We could just call it "flanging," since that's what John called it...
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Post by Ian777 on Mar 3, 2004 8:51:59 GMT -5
We could just call it "flanging," since that's what John called it... Absolutely correct; He did in fact invent the term 'flanging.' I'm sure John was getting 'flanged' on a regular basis, LOL ;D
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Post by TotalInformation on May 11, 2004 21:55:23 GMT -5
Perhaps it is Faul imitating George.
Faul the fool, the jester, the man of a thousand voices.
Imitating Ringo on "With a Little Help,"
Imitating Viv Stanshall doing "Death Cab for Cutie" in the MMT film.
Imitating Elvis in 'Lady Madonna.'*
Imitating Paul for life.
Imitating George in Fool on the Hill?
Did he imitate Lennon at any point?
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Post by SimMHoward on May 11, 2004 21:58:38 GMT -5
what makes you think he imitated viv and ringo? The viv thing you just got from the "other" site, and I've never heard this ringo imitation theory
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Post by Doc on May 11, 2004 23:02:13 GMT -5
I don't want to seem argumentative, Total, but, to me, Ringo could be the only person singing "With a Little Help from My Friends", the lead part, that is. It can only be Ringo.
And I don't think "Fool" was sung by George.
"perfectly still" is the lyric I am stuck on. The "er" in perfect, the "ll" in still. The slightly "raised" or 'helium' quality to it; the intentional absence of most vibrato; the breathy but pure timbre.
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Post by TotalInformation on May 11, 2004 23:18:12 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by Doc on May 12, 2004 1:06:43 GMT -5
I am trusting my ears on this one. It was Ringo, singing lead to "With a Little Help From My Friends".
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Post by DarkHorse on May 12, 2004 8:25:35 GMT -5
If Paul's voice could be imitated so could Ringo's. But why would they do that? Maybe just for a gag on Sgt. Pepper? It sounds like Ringo although anything is possible.
Although Fool On The Hill sounds like it could be George, to me it's either George along with someone else or another imitator entirely other than Neil Aspinall.
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Post by TotalInformation on May 12, 2004 11:47:33 GMT -5
It was Ringo
Your other posts on vocal impressions are much more detailed. . .
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Post by SimMHoward on May 12, 2004 17:10:25 GMT -5
trust your ears, ringos voice is very different from Pauls, and his accent is different as well, the man singing WALHFMF had Ringos accent, not Paul's Georges, or Faul's
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Post by JoJo on May 12, 2004 17:30:35 GMT -5
From a practical point of view, the task at hand if there was indeed such a need, was to find a way, any way, to provide vocals that sound like Paul's. Why on earth go to all the trouble to make a Ringo imitation, when you have the genuine article? I've heard the argument that it's a "clue" of some sort, an imitation where one wasn't needed. I'm a little fuzzy on the details really. But yes, it's Ringo, the one and only. That it is comes through with no doubtful feelings that something isn't right, it's Ringo...
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Post by JoJo on May 12, 2004 17:34:45 GMT -5
Gotta a big problem with that one. I had a theory that it was a clue, through the song, and when he puts those big fake teeth in his mouth. But Faul?? I just don't see it....
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