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Post by guitargaz on Aug 31, 2006 17:27:46 GMT -5
If that's true, could you present us with photos of the "real" Pepperpots then, and the actual Bill Shepherd, along with the Pepperpots' names and manager's name?
As said previously (and look at the other thread mentioned) the Pepperpots were not a real group with a manager - they were just a made up quick cash in by the record company and done for a bit of a laugh by my Dad Bill Shepherd and Jimmy Fraser - probably just for session fees. The photo from the Bee Gees website is my Dad much later on - and I agree with some posters that the singing is not that good ! But it wasn't to be taken seriously and I do not think posterity was in their minds when they did it - certainly it was never mentioned by either of them when they were both living in Florida and when I visited. I came on to this website by chance, found it amusing that my Dad was being considered as a possible replacement for Paul, and felt I had to at least correct this one particular blind alley. As I've also said before, I don't need to prove anything and find it amusing that a website with such a theme should ask me for proof of my identity in relation to Bill Shepherd. I may post some pictures of my Dad sometime - I just wanted to set the record straight. Read the other thread on Bill Shepherd.
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Post by beatlies on Aug 31, 2006 18:44:31 GMT -5
If that's true, could you present us with photos of the "real" Pepperpots then, and the actual Bill Shepherd, along with the Pepperpots' names and manager's name?As said previously (and look at the other thread mentioned) the Pepperpots were not a real group with a manager - they were just a made up quick cash in by the record company and done for a bit of a laugh by my Dad Bill Shepherd and Jimmy Fraser - probably just for session fees. The photo from the Bee Gees website is my Dad much later on - and I agree with some posters that the singing is not that good ! But it wasn't to be taken seriously and I do not think posterity was in their minds when they did it - certainly it was never mentioned by either of them when they were both living in Florida and when I visited. I came on to this website by chance, found it amusing that my Dad was being considered as a possible replacement for Paul, and felt I had to at least correct this one particular blind alley. As I've also said before, I don't need to prove anything and find it amusing that a website with such a theme should ask me for proof of my identity in relation to Bill Shepherd. I may post some pictures of my Dad sometime - I just wanted to set the record straight. Read the other thread on Bill Shepherd. Okay, for starters: who is Jimmy Fraser and can he or his friends/associates be contacted now? A lot of work must have gone into those two albums of Billy (whom you inform us is your father) Pepper and the Pepperpots; the band's playing is adequate, at least, and since your father Bill "Pepper" Shepherd wrote those original songs on the two albums like "don't tell me you don't know," there should be some copyright attribution record, right? Did he continue to write songs? If so for what bands? The Bee Gees? Also, please provide us with a photo(s) of Bill Shepherd at the time of the Pepperpots releases, or the mid-late 1960s/60s era. Also, why did he choose the name "Pepper" and "Pepperpots?" What did Billy "Pepper "Shepherd say/do when the Beatles released in 1967 the most acclaimed album Sgt. Pepper with the character Billy Shears and the whole Pepper/Billy persona and theme? And what are the names of the musicians and singers on the two Pepperpots albums? Don't tell me you don't know. See THE BUGGS information for what an actual mere cash-in group profile should resemble ...... i.e. not a mysterious black hole in history.
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Post by JoJo on Aug 31, 2006 18:59:23 GMT -5
The Buggs: Found it the same way I found the Pepperpots, in the Beatle bin. (probably due to its "Mersey category" more than anything else) I should mention that the Pepperpots weren't labeled as such, and there was no "Billy Shepherd" listed as composer either. It was simply called "Merseymania", with the group not even named. (this was the US release)
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Post by beatlies on Aug 31, 2006 19:17:15 GMT -5
Another backward track clue I just heard mentioned (twice) on the 1969 WABC show link I just posted in a new thread, is the audio speech "services for Billy."
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Post by noodles on Sept 1, 2006 5:11:19 GMT -5
If there's a cover-up regarding Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots then why was the first JPM-less album named in direct reference to the band?
from allmusic.com reviews of
The Buggs - Beetle Beat
"The Beetle Beat is representative of the flood of imitation Beatles records that went on the market when Beatlemania hit it big in 1964. These albums usually feature a few Lennon-McCartney covers, some R&B and early rock & roll covers, and are filled out with inane originals incorporating token British catch phrases, like "Big Ben Hop" or "Liverpool Drag." The music was rendered by disinterested session musicians and marketed with a photograph on the cover of four or five mop-topped models in a Beatlesque pose. Some lucky consumers may have picked up an album of this type with The Beatles actually performing, albeit as backing musicians for Tony Sheridan. If nothing else, these records illustrate the magnitude of the Beatlemania phenomenon in its heyday. Nowadays, they can be found at the flea market for a cheap laugh."
and Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots - Merseymania
"Rumored to include contributions from a pre-Velvet Underground Lou Reed and John Cale during their respective stints on the Pickwick assembly line, Merseymania is thus the most infamous of the myriad exploito records issued at the apex of Beatlemania. While the Knickerbockers' expert forgery "Lies" proved the public would embrace faux-Beatles done right, Billy Pepper & the Pepperpots' leaden melodies and tuneless harmonies are anything but fab. For the most part, the songs merely ape the sound and sensibility of the Lennon/McCartney catalog, but even the two genuine covers ("I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "I Saw Here Standing There") are laughably bad, rendered with all the limited enthusiasm and verve you'd expect from anonymous studio hacks. It's worth noting that Billy Pepper was supposedly the alias of Billy Shepherd, who Beatles conspiracists know as the man who reportedly replaced Paul McCartney following his 1966 death. What? You didn't know McCartney died? Google "Billy Pepper" and "McCartney" and prepare to be blown away -- or not."
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 1, 2006 7:08:29 GMT -5
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 1, 2006 7:44:37 GMT -5
and Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots - Merseymania "Rumored to include contributions from a pre-Velvet Underground Lou Reed and John Cale during their respective stints on the Pickwick assembly line, Merseymania is thus the most infamous of the myriad exploito records issued at the apex of Beatlemania. While the Knickerbockers' expert forgery "Lies" proved the public would embrace faux-Beatles done right, Billy Pepper & the Pepperpots' leaden melodies and tuneless harmonies are anything but fab. For the most part, the songs merely ape the sound and sensibility of the Lennon/McCartney catalog, but even the two genuine covers ("I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "I Saw Here Standing There") are laughably bad, rendered with all the limited enthusiasm and verve you'd expect from anonymous studio hacks. It's worth noting that Billy Pepper was supposedly the alias of Billy Shepherd, who Beatles conspiracists know as the man who reportedly replaced Paul McCartney following his 1966 death. What? You didn't know McCartney died? Google "Billy Pepper" and "McCartney" and prepare to be blown away -- or not." Wow... how'bout that.... a little nuggett found in the big black hole that is Billy Pepper & The Pepperpots!
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Post by beatlies on Sept 1, 2006 10:08:04 GMT -5
and Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots - Merseymania "Rumored to include contributions from a pre-Velvet Underground Lou Reed and John Cale during their respective stints on the Pickwick assembly line, Merseymania is thus the most infamous of the myriad exploito records issued at the apex of Beatlemania. While the Knickerbockers' expert forgery "Lies" proved the public would embrace faux-Beatles done right, Billy Pepper & the Pepperpots' leaden melodies and tuneless harmonies are anything but fab. For the most part, the songs merely ape the sound and sensibility of the Lennon/McCartney catalog, but even the two genuine covers ("I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "I Saw Here Standing There") are laughably bad, rendered with all the limited enthusiasm and verve you'd expect from anonymous studio hacks. It's worth noting that Billy Pepper was supposedly the alias of Billy Shepherd, who Beatles conspiracists know as the man who reportedly replaced Paul McCartney following his 1966 death. What? You didn't know McCartney died? Google "Billy Pepper" and "McCartney" and prepare to be blown away -- or not." Wow... how'bout that.... a little nuggett found in the big black hole that is Billy Pepper & The Pepperpots! JOHN CALE, hmmm I believe we have just found a 1964 YOKO ONO connection to BILLY PEPPER AND THE PEPPERPOTS over two years before John Lennon and Yoko Ono supposedly first met on Nov 9 "9-11" 1966, and while he was working on the SGT. PEPPER/BILLY SHEARS album. In the early-mid 1960s Yoko Ono was a close friend and artistic cohort of NYC avant garde artists LaMonte Young and John Cage, who were friends with John Cale, who had been their student. They were all part of the same tight professional circle. See here, from the "wired UK website: "On the riotous "Why", Ono's voice seems to transcend the limits of her body, searing and soaring over the Bo Diddley-esque beat and Lennon's sulphurous guitar; on its sequel, "Why Not", Ono gargles strangled syllables over a bluesy groove, sounding like a child that's been skinned alive. Consider the John Cale-LaMonte Young-Yoko Ono nexus, and you realise that Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band and Fly - in their exploration of noise and the mantric powers of repetition - are an unacknowledged parallel to The Velvet Underground's White Light/White Heat." Yoko Pepper and the Pepperpots Further exploration needed into Yoko Ono's association and contacts with John "Pickwick" Cale. The Pickwick papers warrant an investigation .......
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Post by lili on Sept 1, 2006 10:55:27 GMT -5
It is strange how everyone is connected. It reminds me of a mobius strip !
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Post by beatlies on Sept 1, 2006 11:31:45 GMT -5
It is strange how everyone is connected. It reminds me of a mobius strip ! Not so much a mobius strip lilli as more like a weed in a garden that at first you think is two separate plants, but when pulling one up by the roots the other starts tugging and jostling as well. So you realize that within the (velvet) underground they are really "plants" of the same underlying Bush (intelligence agency) infesting your very infested and sick garden. "The members of the Velvet Underground couldn't have been more disparate. John Cale (bass, viola, organ) studied classical music and composition with such avant-garde figures as John Cage and LaMont Young; whereas Lou Reed (lead vocals, rhythm guitar) dashed out songs for Pickwick Records, a songwriting company that made B-grade quality rock music to be sold on compilation albums at supermarkets. Conversely, Reed studied writing under the poet Delmore Schwartz. Held together with the soaring guitar work of Sterling Morrison and the pounding of Maureen Tucker's mallets, The Velvet Underground created a sound that would set the stage for hundreds of bands to follow from Rocket from the Tombs to Television to Sonic Youth and on and on " Pick(wick) a Peck (MMT comics pecking bird) of Pickeled Pepperpots
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Post by beatlies on Sept 1, 2006 12:26:30 GMT -5
Ono-Cale-Pepperpot-Pickwick Lou Reed's Many pre-Velvet Underground Songs:
Pre-Velvet Underground Records
LP's Soundsville! Design, DLP 187, Mono, USA, 1965 Design, SDLP 187, Stereo, USA, 1965
Side 1: 1. Don't Turn My World Upside Down / 2. Soul City / 3. Teardrop In The Sand / 4. Wonderful World Of Love / 5. You're Driving Me Insane Side 2: 1. First Impression / 2. I'm Gonna Fight / 3. I've Got A Tiger In My Hand / 4. Cycle Annie / 5. Johnny Won't Surf No More / 6. It's Hard For A Girl In A World Full Of Man
All titles composed by Reed/Philips/Vance/Sims, except "I've Got A Tiger In My Hand" by Reed/Philips/Vance/Sims/Motta
Lou sings and play guitar on side 1, track 5, and side 2, track 4, and (problably) plays guitar and backing vocals on the rest.
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Out Of Sight! Design, DLP 269, Mono, Usa, 1967
Includes "Cycle Annie" by "The Beachnuts. Lou Reed co-writes, sing and play guitar on this song.
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The Four Seasons Design, DLP 185, Mono, USA, 1964
Includes "Ya Runnin' But I'll Get You", written by Reed and other colaborators from Pickwick
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Ronnie Dove / Terry Philips Swingin' Teen Sounds Of Design, DLP 186, Mono, USA, 1965
Side 1 : Ronnie Dove : I'll Be Around / No Greater Love / Terry Philips : This Rose (Sims, Vance, Philips, Reed) / Flowers For The Lady (Irby, Philips, Vance, Reed, Sims) / This I Promise You (Guiffre, Philips, Sims, Vance) Side 2 : Ronnie Dove : Saddest Song / Party Doll / Wild One (Reed, Philips, Vance, Sims) / Everybody's Sweetheart (Baron, Philips, Irby) / You (Philips, Vance, Sims)
Lou problably plays guitar in some of the songs, particularly the ones he co-writes
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Irma Thomas, Maxine Brown & Ronnie Dickinson Grand Prix, KS-426, Mono, USA, 1965
Pickwick tracks: "Maybe Tomorrow" (Reed/Philips/Vance/Sims) and "Love Can Make You Cry" (Reed/Philips/Vance/Sims) both interpreted by Ronnie Dickerson
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Rockin' On Broadway ยท The Time, Brent, Shad Story Ace Records, CDCHD 758, UK, 2000
Includes: The Jades: So Blue (Lou Reed / Phil Harris) / Leave Her For Me (Lou Reed) Recorded in 1958 Lewis (Lou) Reed: Your Love (Lou Reed) / Merry Go 'Round (Lou Reed) Recorded in 1962 - First Lou Reed solo recordings 45's
The Jades Leave Her For Me (Lewis Reed) / So Blue (Phil Harris/Lewis Reed) Time 1002, Mono, USA, 28/11/1958
Two different versions:
White label sample copy, with So Blue credited to Phil Harris. Dark blue label stock copy with So Blue credited to Lewis Reed and Phil Harris.
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The Primitives The Ostrich / Sneaky Pete Pickwick City, PC-1001, Mono, USA, 1964
All titles composed by Reed/Sims/Vance/Philips
After the relative success of "The Ostrich", Pickwick formed a band for playing live and promote the songs in different shows. This band included John Cale.
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The Intimates I've Got A Tiger In My Tank (Motta/Philips/Reed/Sims/Vance) / Smart Too Late (Soloway/Glaser) Epic, 5-9743, Mono, USA, 1965
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Roberta Williams Tell Mama Not To Cry (Vance/Sims/Reed/Phillips) / Maybe Tomorrow (Vance/Sims/Reed/Phillips) Uptown, 707, Mono, USA, 1965
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The All Night Workers Don't Put All Your Eggs In One Basket (Bill Alniger) / Why Don't You Smile Now? (Reed/Cale/Philips/Vance), Mono, USA, 1965 Round Sound, RS-1, Mono, USA, 1965
"Why Don't You Smile Now?" is the first known colaboration between Lou Reed and JohnCale
Three different editions:
Red/Orange DJ copy Red Orange stock copy White copy
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Donnie Burks Why Don't You Smile Now (Reed/Cale/Philips/Vance) / Satisfaction Guaranteed Decca, 32134, Mono, USA, 1965
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Lewis Reed / The Jades All Tomorrow's Dance Parties Norton Records, EP-097, US, 2000
Side A: Lewis (Lou) Reed: Your Love (Lou Reed) / Merry Go 'Round (Lou Reed) Recorded in 1962 - First Lou Reed solo recordings
Side B: The Jades: So Blue (Lou Reed / Phil Harris) / Leave Her For Me (Lou Reed) Recorded in 1958
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 1, 2006 13:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 1, 2006 13:54:28 GMT -5
A comparison, for what it's worth: and
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 1, 2006 13:54:46 GMT -5
FYI Rocket from the Tombs is headed by one of my 3 fave musicians of all time... David Thomas, who's best known for his main band Pere Ubu, an avant-rock band that started around 76 & is still goin' strong. RFTT's was the pre-Ubu band, made up of members who would form Pere Ubu & The Dead Boys. David Thomas just resurrected RFTT's about 4-5 yrs ago. I've got a framed RFTT's concert T that he signed to me with the only legible word among the scribbles being "eyesbleed" YEA ;D (David Thomas knows me from the Ubu group online where he's a regular poster)
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Post by guitargaz on Sept 1, 2006 14:05:03 GMT -5
JOHN CALE, hmmm I believe we have just found a 1964 YOKO ONO connection to BILLY PEPPER AND THE PEPPERPOTS over two years before John Lennon and Yoko Ono supposedly first met on Nov 9 "9-11" 1966, and while he was working on the SGT. PEPPER/BILLY SHEARS album.
This is all way off the mark - I've tried to help but some of you just won't believe me will you? In no way were John Cale and Lou Reed involved - sadly its not all part of some conspiracy - my Dad was connected with the Bee Gees but never with the Beatles. And he was part of the fake group Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots which never played live as they didn't exist - they were just a studio/album thing - and the name was always a joke and was before the Paul dying stories ever came to be known about. I have pictures of him of course, and may publish some if people want proof. I don't care if this thread carries on and you don't believe me - I was trying to stop you all wasting so much time and energy. But if you want to believe that Bill Shepherd was Paul's replacement so be it - it is laughable. This is a blind alley - you should move on and investigate who started these stories - including Brian Chalmers who I have mentioned before. But do what you want - as long as you don't mind me correcting you about my Dad so be it.
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Post by beatlies on Sept 1, 2006 14:13:44 GMT -5
JOHN CALE, hmmm I believe we have just found a 1964 YOKO ONO connection to BILLY PEPPER AND THE PEPPERPOTS over two years before John Lennon and Yoko Ono supposedly first met on Nov 9 "9-11" 1966, and while he was working on the SGT. PEPPER/BILLY SHEARS album.This is all way off the mark - I've tried to help but some of you just won't believe me will you? In no way were John Cale and Lou Reed involved - sadly its not all part of some conspiracy - my Dad was connected with the Bee Gees but never with the Beatles. And he was part of the fake group Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots which never played live as they didn't exist - they were just a studio/album thing - and the name was always a joke and was before the Paul dying stories ever came to be known about. I have pictures of him of course, and may publish some if people want proof. I don't care if this thread carries on and you don't believe me - I was trying to stop you all wasting so much time and energy. But if you want to believe that Bill Shepherd was Paul's replacement so be it - it is laughable. This is a blind alley - you should move on and investigate who started these stories - including Brian Chalmers who I have mentioned before. But do what you want - as long as you don't mind me correcting you about my Dad so be it. In no way were John Cale and Lou Reed involvedWas John Cale working for Pickwick, with Lou Reed? Yes he was. So let's look further. fake group Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots which never played live as they didn't exist Fake: yes. Non-existant? Incorrect, they did exist. believe that Bill Shepherd was Paul's replacement so be it - it is laughableWe're still trying to figure out who Bill Shepherd(s) was/were as well as the Fauls and JPM doubles like DINO DANELLI. Still waiting for a 1960s picture of Bill Shepherd; if you have them, as you say, please post them. Wow that would great wouldn't it? Who wrote the "Bill Shepherd"-authored Beatles books? As for JPM being replaced, the proof is in the feet; not just his head, face, body, handsvoice and mind are different, the feet are distinctly; Faul is pigeion toed; JPM is/was not. Therefore, case closed JPM was imposter-replaced.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 1, 2006 14:14:22 GMT -5
Eyesbleed wrote: "Pere Ubu & The Dead Boys. David Thomas just resurrected RFTT's about 4-5 yrs ago. I've got a framed RFTT's concert T that he signed to me with the only legible word among the scribbles being "eyesbleed" YEA (David Thomas knows me[/color] from the Ubu group online where he's a regular poster) "
Yeah, well..(choke, gasp!)...What I thought was interesting about the name for that group, Rocket From The Tomb, was that it kinda sounds like the "Paul was shot into space" idea that was at mentioned at TKIN, but not only there, but hinted at in any number of songs. I heard it as a rumor in1979, as a matter of fact. The point is, the "space cowboy" theme, tied in with a "Paul was shot into space" rumor is surely hinted at by the name of this group, imo. If he knows you well enough, I'd say ask him what he thinks about PID/PWR and see what he has to say! If he knows you're really into it, he might have a lot of interesting comments to make.
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Post by lili on Sept 1, 2006 14:51:10 GMT -5
Four, that is one theory that I believe is a dead end. Paul was not shot into space. His body wound up in the "Octopus's Garden" off of the " cast iron shore". He was weighed down in a box made up with " dove-tailed joints ". I believe that the music at the end of GLASS ONION is the sound of a box slowly sinking to the bottom of the ocean. The best clues are those given to us by John Winston Lennon BEFORE the Paul is Dead conspiracy even existed !
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 1, 2006 14:54:22 GMT -5
This is all way off the mark - I've tried to help but some of you just won't believe me will you? In no way were John Cale and Lou Reed involved - sadly its not all part of some conspiracy - my Dad was connected with the Bee Gees but never with the Beatles. And he was part of the fake group Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots which never played live as they didn't exist - they were just a studio/album thing - and the name was always a joke and was before the Paul dying stories ever came to be known about. I have pictures of him of course, and may publish some if people want proof. I don't care if this thread carries on and you don't believe me - I was trying to stop you all wasting so much time and energy. But if you want to believe that Bill Shepherd was Paul's replacement so be it - it is laughable. This is a blind alley - you should move on and investigate who started these stories - including Brian Chalmers who I have mentioned before. But do what you want - as long as you don't mind me correcting you about my Dad so be it. Thanks GG... you've got an intriguing story for sure, but ya have to put yourself in our position. I can't imagine you'd think of us as any more than just a bunch of loons if we all, like a bunch of lemmings, made a drastic change in the direction of this "investigation" on the word of one "unknown" person. If that were the case, we might as well all go back over to TKIN & spend our time lookin' into the Barney Fife thing. We try our best to not get distracted by every new theory that comes along.... but at the same time... we try to stay open to possibilities we haven't considered yet. This is a mystery that gets crazier, the deeper ya look, so we're open to the fact that we might take the wrong road from time to time... sure, but we're not gonna be the sourse of somebody's amusement if we can help it.
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Post by lili on Sept 1, 2006 14:58:45 GMT -5
Brian Chalmers ... I just googled his name under web & image & came up with nothing. Do you have a website for him by any chance, GG
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 1, 2006 15:02:08 GMT -5
Four, that is one theory that I believe is a dead end. Paul was not shot into space. His body wound up in the "Octopus's Garden" off of the " cast iron shore". He was weighed down in a box made up with " dove-tailed joints ". I believe that the music at the end of GLASS ONION is the sound of a box slowly sinking to the bottom of the ocean. The best clues are those given to us by John Winston Lennon BEFORE the Paul is Dead conspiracy even existed ! Yes, but it was one of the rumors out there for a little while. 4k is just wonderin' if the band name came from that rumor. And ya, I'll try to email Mr.Thomas & ask him about the sourse of the name & see what he sez. I've never clogged up any other fan forums with any PID/PWR stuff.... I've always stuck to the topics related to the artist for which the forum was started. No PID "missionary work" for me... I learned my lesson about that early on. (it's the quickest way I know to get banned from a beatles forum!)
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 1, 2006 15:13:31 GMT -5
Exactly. I think that, and the follow-up band being "the dead boys" is just too coincidental. I have to think David Thomas must have looked into PID/PWR to some degree, and may have some interesting things to say about it!
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Post by lili on Sept 1, 2006 15:14:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I came across as heavy handed. I didn't realize that Four meant it that way. I know what you mean about trying to "spread the word" at regular Beatle forums. It gets ugly & FAST !
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Post by fourthousandholes on Sept 1, 2006 15:22:29 GMT -5
Lili, I don't think you were heavy-handed. I agree with what you've said, but I think his body may have been recovered later on.
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Post by guitargaz on Sept 1, 2006 20:08:49 GMT -5
Fake: yes. Non-existant? Incorrect, they did exist.
No they didn't - it was a session thing - they did not exist as a band. For a band to exist they have to do certain things like practise and play together - this was never a band, merely a recording project. Your post comes across as arrogant - please don't try to engage in a war of semantics or philosophical points about what existance means. As a band they did not exist - by any criteria. They were not pictured - that was posed by models as my father and Jimmy did not look at all like pop idols, and there was no real band. This is not a mystery. It is just you have been ignorant of the facts and you have made connections where none exist.
I know its hard to let go of your theory concerning my father but you are really wasting your time. I don't know if I have pictures of my Dad from the 60's - but he never looked anything like Paul. It looks like anyone can come on your website and propound theories of how Paul was "definitely replaced" that to be honest are far fetched and in no way proven by any corroboration of anyone with real inside knowledge - and yet when someone such as myself has come to clear up information about my father which dispels one part of the theory, I am doubted. What would I gain from this ? I think I would have been more believed if I had come up with a new theory about Paul's "replacement" than trying to give you the facts about Bill Shepherd.
You will gather that in trying to be helpful I am now getting a little frustrated that responses like yours appear to doubt what I say and the intention behind me saying it. I daresay now that in trying to give you some information to lead you out of a blind alley concerning Bill Shepherd, in many of your posters eyes I must now be part of the cover up conspiracy. Its a strange world.
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