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Post by JoJo on Sept 1, 2006 20:44:55 GMT -5
I think I would have been more believed if I had come up with a new theory about Paul's "replacement" than trying to give you the facts about Bill Shepherd.
Experience has shown... this is probably true.
Anyway, certainly you convey the sentiments of someone who is exasperated by the fact that he knows exactly what he's talking about, and yet you return here and find yet more challenges to your word.
Let me show you what someone in our group got in response to a query to Bill Harry:
Dear *******,
I tried to find information on the group, but was unsuccessful. I know of every band that has ever come out of Liverpool. They are not a Mersey group, and nobody seems to have ever heard of them, otherwise I would have been able to help.
Best wishes,
Bill.
FYI, "Bill Shepherd" was mentioned to him in the question. Strange, no? Do you understand how odd it would be that the repository of all information Beatles/Mersey would have never heard of the Pepperpots? Or your father and his involvement? Even as a amusing historical footnote?
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Post by DarkHorse on Sept 1, 2006 21:21:41 GMT -5
Jojo,
I was just about to bring up the Bill Harry thing. Also, from what I remember, Bill Harry was not the only person she talked to that denied ever hearing of the Pepperpots.
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Post by noodles on Sept 2, 2006 6:10:18 GMT -5
Let me show you what someone in our group got in response to a query to Bill Harry: Dear *******,
I tried to find information on the group, but was unsuccessful. I know of every band that has ever come out of Liverpool. They are not a Mersey group, and nobody seems to have ever heard of them, otherwise I would have been able to help.
Best wishes,
Bill.FYI, "Bill Shepherd" was mentioned to him in the question. Strange, no? Do you understand how odd it would be that the repository of all information Beatles/Mersey would have never heard of the Pepperpots? Or your father and his involvement? Even as a amusing historical footnote? Why is this odd? They weren't a real band. They weren't from Merseyside. It makes perfect sense that he wouldn't have heard of them. Why don't you send him scans of the sleeves and audio for the albums and see what he says?
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Post by noodles on Sept 2, 2006 6:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by guitargaz on Sept 2, 2006 6:37:55 GMT -5
Anyway, certainly you convey the sentiments of someone who is exasperated by the fact that he knows exactly what he's talking about, and yet you return here and find yet more challenges to your word.
Thank you for this - I was trying to help. I think the expert on Liverpool music of this era should also have his words taken more seriously by some.
I knew about the Paul is Dead from an early age when it first started being mentioned. It is interesting and I am not anti anything about a good conspiracy theory such as this. But I do take issue when my late father is the subject of some of the theories and I know the facts.
I wouldn't presume to tell anyone they are wasting their time on this theory about Paul - but I do presume to tell them they are wasting time in relation to my father and this theory. Read the Bee Gees - The Ultimate Biology - my dad is indexed there. That is part of his history - but the Beatles were not.
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 2, 2006 7:57:06 GMT -5
Fact: There was a Billy Shephard who did have a connection to The Beatles early on... we have the articles he wrote. Maybe there are 2 Billy Shepherds (common name) & the other one is the guy we're interested in.... we don't know. That's why ya call it an "investigation"
Yer story sounds good, for the most part, but there's nothin' to back it up (so far). Forgive us if we don't completely drop this part of the "investigation" on the word of one person out there somewhere. This IS the internet ya know.
It doesn't make sense to me that there's this big black mysterious hole where The Pepperpots should be. As beatlies pointed out earlier, if they were just a joke band, the history should be available like it is for The Buggs. And the experts wouldn't go silent at the very mention of Billy Pepper. This doesn't add up, & we'd be crazy to drop it.
You criticised us in a previous post for maintaining that JPM was definately replaced... well... look for yourself. That's a seperate issue from PID. All of my old friends grew up on & practically worship the Beatles, & they sure don't want to believe Paul died in 66, but when I show them enough pictures & videos, at least they're honest enough to admit that ya... something weird is definately goin' on here... at the very least, he had a temporary replacement... it's obvious. I can only think of one little group who refuse to see any of this even after lookin' a tons of pics; The Macca Funhouse.... & I'm starting to wonder.
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Post by JoJo on Sept 2, 2006 10:10:45 GMT -5
Well he should have heard of Bill Shepherd, (either the Bee Gees version or the prolific writer for the Beatles magazine) and it would seem.. he carefully avoided that issue. Yes I know "seem" is a loaded word, perhaps he just figured he had better ways to spend his time, who knows. Probably would have a sudden flash of memory, and recall it was the Billy Shepherd of Bee Gees fame...
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Post by guitargaz on Sept 2, 2006 10:32:13 GMT -5
Yer story sounds good, for the most part, but there's nothin' to back it up (so far). Forgive us if we don't completely drop this part of the "investigation" on the word of one person out there somewhere. This IS the internet ya know.
It doesn't make sense to me that there's this big black mysterious hole where The Pepperpots should be. As beatlies pointed out earlier, if they were just a joke band, the history should be available like it is for The Buggs. And the experts wouldn't go silent at the very mention of Billy Pepper. This doesn't add up, & we'd be crazy to drop it.
I give up ! There is no history for them because they sold few records and turned into a bargain bin very quickly. There is a black hole because no-one took it seriously and there was little interest. They go silent at the name Billy Pepper because they have never heard the name before (and he didn't exist). There is no connection with Sgt Pepper which came later (and the name is coincidental). I know thats hard for you to believe as in "conspiracy world" there is no such thing as coincidence.
Don't drop it - waste your time - who cares. Whatever I say you won't believe as you are convinced about your theory. Probably "experts" go quiet because they realise that people like you can't be helped with facts.
Good luck with the rest of your lives - I have wasted enough time trying to clear up this blind alley for you - you don't believe me or trust my motives. You'll find out......
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 2, 2006 12:12:10 GMT -5
Whatever I say you won't believe as you are convinced about your theory. .. That is just wrong. The only thing I'm certain of... without a doubt... is that JPM had a replacement. Period.... that's all
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Post by beatlies on Sept 2, 2006 14:38:48 GMT -5
Stirring the pepperpot has brought forth some valuable new directions of research, like the John Cale/Lou Reed -Pickwick associations.
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Post by lili on Sept 2, 2006 15:23:25 GMT -5
Four, I believe that Paul's body was initially buried in " Strawberry Fields". Of course that was done SURREPTIOUSLY. After the hoo haa in 1969 they dug him up, put him in a crate, & dropped him in the ocean. Just an opinion that I've formed from everything that I've put together over the past few years.
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Post by lili on Sept 2, 2006 15:38:24 GMT -5
GG, please don't get upset with us. We have dealt with other people who claimed to have "inside knowledge" . They stirred the sh*t & disappeared into the night. They gave us no proof of what they said. This has led us to be wary of newcomers being "gifts". We're grateful for whatever proof you can furnish for us concerning this. That would allow us to mark this as a dead end & move onto other things.
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Post by guitargaz on Sept 2, 2006 21:18:34 GMT -5
GG, please don't get upset with us. We have dealt with other people who claimed to have "inside knowledge" . They stirred the sh*t & disappeared into the night. They gave us no proof of what they said. This has led us to be wary of newcomers being "gifts". Okay - but I'm not sure what else I can add - my father and Jimmy Fraser are both dead so I can't ask them - and no-one else Will really know - its a long time ago and many of the protagonists will be dead - I only know from speaking to my father briefly about this many years ago - it was one of many topics that came up. I know he wasn't involved in any part of the Beatle story - and in fact though he worked with Brian Chalmers, the Paul is dead story was told to my father (and others) by Brian in the studio and over dinner sometime in 1974/75 while I was working at IBC studios. If I show photos of my dad with me that doesn't prove anything (as you don't know me anyway) and I could have got them somewhere rather than being my own photos. I am not a troll, I have no motive other than to remove my father's name from this thread as he had nothing to do with this story other than to make albums under the name of Billy Pepper and the Pepperpots. If people don't believe me fine - not much I can do - I think I have provided quite a lot of detail that should clarify this particular Bill Shepherd. Yes there was another Bill Shepherd who seems to have been a writer - and although my dad was originally a journalist, the person who wrote about the Beatles was not him - it was the other one (who incidentally we had not heard of). I guess its frustrating when you know the truth and no-one believes you - especially given the flimsy nature of some of the "proof" on this website. I know this particular truth about Bill Shepherd better than anyone - I can't prove it over the internet but I am definitely his son which many others could corroborate. If people want to take this further in a legal sense then bring it on - I have been friendly up till now but one or two of the posters seem to be bordering on spreading untruths that malign my father as being party to a conspiracy which is fraudulent and involves a suspicious "death". I have tried to clear this up with little success in some posters eyes. How far should we take this? How far do some of you want to go?
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Post by TotalInformation on Sept 2, 2006 21:38:24 GMT -5
I think there are a few things that need to be cleared up here.
It was widely understood that this was a studio project and the "band" on the covers were likely models. The top researchers here were aware of the Bill Shepherd who was a Bee Gees producer, but there was no evidence to say he was involved with the Pepperpots record. Now his son is on this board and says that he was.
That's fine -- I actually do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. But there are still some outstanding questions that your answers, Mr. Shepherd, could help clear things up as we decode all thigns Beatle. Such as, what is the etymology of "Pepper and the Pepperpots"? Do you know anything about the songs themselves? And, what other (non-Pepperpot) records feature your father singing? In the spirit of honest inquiry, I don't think it's too much to ask these questions.
If some of the messages on this board have seemed less than impressed in your position as Shepherd fils, I would hope you that you realize folks are only human. Overall I would say it your input here has been treated with more deference than you seem to give to the opinion of JPM's cousin (itself another interesting factoid which we must thank you bringing us).
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Post by Doc on Sept 3, 2006 1:05:10 GMT -5
Yer story sounds good, for the most part, but there's nothin' to back it up (so far). Forgive us if we don't completely drop this part of the "investigation" on the word of one person out there somewhere. This IS the internet ya know.
It doesn't make sense to me that there's this big black mysterious hole where The Pepperpots should be. As beatlies pointed out earlier, if they were just a joke band, the history should be available like it is for The Buggs. And the experts wouldn't go silent at the very mention of Billy Pepper. This doesn't add up, & we'd be crazy to drop it.I give up ! There is no history for them because they sold few records and turned into a bargain bin very quickly. There is a black hole because no-one took it seriously and there was little interest. They go silent at the name Billy Pepper because they have never heard the name before (and he didn't exist). There is no connection with Sgt Pepper which came later (and the name is coincidental). I know thats hard for you to believe as in "conspiracy world" there is no such thing as coincidence. Don't drop it - waste your time - who cares. Whatever I say you won't believe as you are convinced about your theory. Probably "experts" go quiet because they realise that people like you can't be helped with facts. Good luck with the rest of your lives - I have wasted enough time trying to clear up this blind alley for you - you don't believe me or trust my motives. You'll find out...... This man is right. The event of a "knock off" band that appears on the scene for a brief instant to cash in on a giant music craze, and then drop into nearly unreported obscurity---makes perfect sense (no offense to your dad, but he knew as well as we all do that it's all part of the music game). So, he is 100% on the money. But wait--this makes further sense, if you think about John Lennon and his word games for a minute. John had a penchant for continuously whipping forth with nicknames, puns, and syllogisms. Whether he was making clues or not, he couldn't seem to refrain from his "stand-up comic" resorts. After all, John morphed the name "Paul"into "Faul", we have heard it alleged. I heard an interview, or read one, somewhere, where John talked about how the Beatles were being imitated, he remarked about the "take-off's" on the Mersey sound, and yes, the Beatles themselves. He well knew the "inside" of the industry and must have known about the Buggs. et al., as well as the Pepperpots. It may have struck his fancy. Imagine---you are John Lennon, and you have gone to the top and you see the imitators fall into line; then the day comes when your own band is, in a way, making an imitation of itself -----he associated the name "Pepperpots" with imitators of his own band, now his own band is becoming it's OWN "pepperpot" imitator! And, Billy Shepherd was the Pepperpot's leader, and John probably remembered them and that they were performing a "sound-a-like" band to the Beatles. Perhaps Wiliam HAD been a Sargeant at some time in his life, like we see portrayed in the MagicalMysteryTour movie...... There it is. A "Johnism"used as an alias for his own band. They were a "Sargent Pepper(pot)" band." With a singer they "introduce to us" as Billy (Shears) Shepherd......which I suspect could have a Ringo origin. If John ultimately came up with this title, then he was parodying the parody itself........naming the Beatles on the "cover" for a band who had "covered" the Beatles before. Also, referencing the idea of "covered" or "covert". We are now a "covert" band...... So totally John. So, there IS no formal connection here to the Pepperpots, save Lennon creating one of his whimsical references. The connection, the meaning behind it, is only a reference to the "act of imitating another act, who formally imitated YOUR VERY OWN ACT!!!!!!" Do you get it? It's a ironic paradox reversal, the very kind of literary concept John recognized and utilized in several of his songs. The irony of being bitten back; the irony and life coming back at you in terms that you yourself were part of in the first place. I.E. "The act you've known for all these years (the Beatles) Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band (we are now ourselves a sort of "knock off") This is not to minimize William's ultimately huge contributions. ANOTHER SIDE TOPIC HITS ME: About the Sgt. Pepper Album, think of this. We have 3 of the four suits of cards here, Hearts, Club(s), Diamonds (Lucy in the Sky). Where ARE the Spades? What is a Spade used for? Dig it?
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Post by Doc on Sept 3, 2006 1:13:29 GMT -5
I promised a couple of useless, dud pictures. Here is one of them. Paul's profile has not been seen like this before, in our postings. John's face is altogether someone else, like Chekov on Star Trek or someone Slavic. George is too distorted, and Ringo too far away but his head looks very tiny. Where is this performance? Altogether, it's too distorted for use.
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 3, 2006 8:20:02 GMT -5
If people want to take this further in a legal sense then bring it on - I have been friendly up till now but one or two of the posters seem to be bordering on spreading untruths that malign my father as being party to a conspiracy which is fraudulent and involves a suspicious "death". I have tried to clear this up with little success in some posters eyes. How far should we take this? How far do some of you want to go? Now isn't this takin' a nasty little turn. Did you really think that we're loony enough to just blindly accept the word of any stranger that comes along? It doesn't seem you had a very high opinion of us from the beginning if you expected us to completely drop part of this investigation on yer word alone. We've been down this road before & bein' played isn't one of our favorite pasttimes. I think beatlies & TI have asked some reasonable questions that might help clear this up, but most of them haven't been answered. What has been slanderous against yer supposed father? Nobody has stated that the Pepperpots Shephard IS Sir Paul. This is a possibility... not a fact. Which Bill Shephard are we dealin' with? We don't know. Until we get something other that one strangers word to clear this up, we can theorise all we want & your lawyers can't do a thing.
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 3, 2006 10:49:28 GMT -5
It doesn't seem that the Bee Gee's Bill Shepherd is the guy we're interested in.... I don't think he'd have the time to do all the work I've been reading about this mornin' & be a JPM replacement. If yer really the son of the Bee Gee's Bill Shepherd, I'm certain yer dad wasn't the guy we're lookin' for. Bruce Eder, All Music Guide...... As a recording artist, Bill Shepherd has released such successful albums as the pop instrumental LP Shepherd and His Flock in 1959 and, in 1968, the Aurora LP. It is as an engineer, and later a producer/arranger, however, that he had a major impact on popular music by virtue of his association with the Bee Gees. The British-born Shepherd had first achieved notice in the pop world in 1959 with his work as producer/composer on a film called Idle on Parade, which attempted to put Anthony Newley into a kind of rock & roll comedy vehicle. He also worked with legendary producer Joe Meek during the early '60s and cut a song with Gene Vincent, conducting the orchestral accompaniment for the American rock legend in 1963 before emigrating to Australia in 1964. Shepherd joined Festival Records and first began working with Barry, Robin, and Maurice Gibb in 1965 on their recording of Arthur Alexander's "Every Day I Have to Cry" and the Barry Gibb-authored B-side, "You Wouldn't Know." Shepherd departed Australia for England in 1966, and by 1967 was back working with the Bee Gees, this time under the auspices of manager/producer Robert Stigwood. He was responsible for many of the arrangements and the conducting of many accompaniments on their '60s recordings, from small string ensembles to 30-piece orchestras, in effect serving the same function with this group that George Martin had with the Beatles. Shepherd's good professional relationship with the group in those years, along with his musical range, allowed him to work in any of the idioms in which they chose to record, from psychedelia to pop ballads, and he was, at least as much as guitarist Vince Melouney or drummer Colin Petersen, a full-time member of the group in everything but name. Indeed, in those years the group often toured England and performed on-stage with an orchestra in tow, and Shepherd was very much the architect of their sound. In 1968, Shepherd also released an album entitled Aurora on which he conducted a soft pop chorus in performances of songs composed by the Gibb brothers. He remained closely involved with all of the group's work up to and including To Whom It May Concern, which was their last album done in England. Only on the rather more ambitious double-LP Odessa did he cede any of the arranging chores, in that instance to Paul Buckmaster. Although his relationship with the group ended in 1972, Shepherd's arrangements and conducting for the group are still spoken of highly by all concerned. ~ OUR Bill was a bit busy in 68 bein' Paul. He didn't have time to do anything like this. (along with The Bee Gee's work) www.answers.com/topic/aurora-1968-album-by-bill-shepherdBut there's that big black hole again.... WHY IS THERE NO MENTION OF THE PEPPERPOTS IN THE ABOVE BIO? ? It seems to me that the Bee Gees Bill can be put to rest, but The Pepperpots Bill is still a big black hole. There seems to be lots of Bill Shepherd musicians..... The William Shepherd whose name appears on songwriting credits for fiddle tunes such as "Miss Gordon of Park" is not the same William Shepherd who played trombone with Dizzy Gillespie, nor is it the Bill Shepherd who has recorded Appalachian fiddle music on several anthologies. ~ Eugene Chadbourne, All Music Guide
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Post by JoJo on Sept 3, 2006 10:51:11 GMT -5
I missed the part about an implied "legal challenge", either on our part or yours.
You gotta be kidding, right?
We've been told that we should "bring this to the newspapers", and now it's time to go to court? Did you miss this on the front page?
All contents of this discussion board are conjectural, opinion, and exploration of a well-known folk legend, and not intended to be taken as established or proven.
It should be self evident..
You should probably take a cue from Sir Paul and ignore us, he's been doing that for three years now, almost forty really, if you count when the rumors first started.
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 3, 2006 11:44:46 GMT -5
Jerri titled this thread "Pepperpots Billy- probably not with Bee Gees" & I've posted that it seems to me that he's definately not the one we're interested in. Anybody who spends an hour researching this online will come to the same conclusion.
Now you or your lawyers are gonna have to show evidence that the Bee Gee's B.S. is indeed the same guy as The Pepperpots B.S. in order to stop this part of our inquiry.
This oughtta be good.
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Post by revolver on Sept 3, 2006 13:00:48 GMT -5
GS, this certainly isn't the first time this board has received information from an insider that supports the theory that Paul died and was replaced. This time it's from a relative of Paul, which should give it an additional degree of credibility. Not everyone here thinks Paul died in 1966, but to me its the most likely explanation based on the available evidence. Thanks again for the inside information, even if you don't find it convincing yourself.
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Post by guitargaz on Sept 3, 2006 16:23:00 GMT -5
Now isn't this takin' a nasty little turn. Did you really think that we're loony enough to just blindly accept the word of any stranger that comes along? It doesn't seem you had a very high opinion of us from the beginning if you expected us to completely drop part of this investigation on yer word alone. We've been down this road before & bein' played isn't one of our favorite pasttimes.
I think beatlies & TI have asked some reasonable questions that might help clear this up, but most of them haven't been answered.
What has been slanderous against yer supposed father? Nobody has stated that the Pepperpots Shephard IS Sir Paul. This is a possibility... not a fact. Which Bill Shephard are we dealin' with? We don't know. Until we get something other that one strangers word to clear this up, we can theorise all we want & your lawyers can't do a thing. I think this post of yours sums you up neatly. I have views but that in no way means I don't have a high opinion of you (the website if not you personally) - read all my posts properly and you'll see I'm mostly supportive - the fact that I'm skeptical and don't agree with much of the "theory" is translated by you into paranoia. I was trying to clear up this blind alley - you accuse me of playing you? You're not doing your credibility much good - who are you? Part of some inner cabal with the ownership of this theory? Presumably more valid than me? Also you continually spell my father's name wrongly. Draw your conclusions re: the rest of your "research" which may be just as sloppy. Who has mentioned slander? Oh you did - not me. But just think that my family might find this sort of theory concerning my father a little upsetting now that the amusement has worn off having tried to clear this up - with facts. I point out that what you are saying is that a fraud has been perpetrated - and you are linking my father with this. Is this disputed? To replace one person with another (for commercial reasons) and pretend they are the original - sounds like fraud to me. Saying my father may be involved - sounds like you are linking him to a fraud to me. As for lawyers - those have not been mentioned by me - but if you are making the sort of allegations that you are that there was a fraudulent cover up and my father was involved - well, when does a theory become a legal matter? You tell me - you are the expert obviously. I have stuck my head above the parapet and said this thread is no longer valid and I can prove it. What then? You are paranoid - but don't kid yourself that lawyers could do nothing if the other family members should decide enough is enough and the joke isn't funny anymore. But I haven't threatened that - just asked how far do you want this to go? I have been friendly and tried to clear up one blind alley - not the whole theory. You appear to want to persist with what some others on this site appear to be accepting having looked at other corroborative evidence. There is only so much I can do - others in my family may well object strongly to this thread. Yes this is a nasty little turn in your eyes because having tried to clear this up and been friendly, you in particular appear aggressive against anyone with a counter view - and you have a disregard for facts and common sense in this particular thread with regards to my father. Luckily most others on this forum are sensible - I do take exception to posters like you - but most have been friendly and interested. The facts are there about Bill Shepherd the musician(note the spelling) - other Bill Shepherd's I can't answer for. Other than photos - and my Dad and Jimmy are both dead and did not document their lives - what other proof can I provide? The facts don't fit your theory/thread - and that is your problem. In terms of credibility, this blind alley does not threaten your whole house of cards. It will if you persist because the credibility of the rest is undermined by your response (and ignoring) of my credible information. Yes I am one person and its my word at the moment - that may not be the case soon. However, you may be alone on this thread soon as others will realise that this "mystery" is cleared up with regard to this Bill Shepherd at least. Gary Shepherd - son of the late Bill Shepherd (1927-1988).
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Post by guitargaz on Sept 3, 2006 16:36:09 GMT -5
Do you get it? It's a ironic paradox reversal, the very kind of literary concept John recognized and utilized in several of his songs. The irony of being bitten back; the irony and life coming back at you in terms that you yourself were part of in the first place.
I buy this theory pretty much - it is very John like - and I can't believe the Beatles would not be aware of the imitators and those trying to cash in. And the Pepperpots albums are pretty dire really - my Dad admitted as much.
But there was no other connection - other than this possible indirect and intriguing one. My Dad was definitely the Pepperpots Bill Shepherd and the Bee Gees man too - don't think I need "my lawyers" to prove that. Eyesbleed appears to differ.....
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Post by beatlies on Sept 3, 2006 18:13:06 GMT -5
Thank you for your input and opinions, Gary. We'll continue looking at what evidence we can find regarding any and all names Bill Shepherd, Bill Sheppard, Billy Shepherd, Billy Shears,"Beatle Bill," Billy Cheese, Alan Pepper of Ontario Camp X, Billy Pepper, the Pepperpots, Jimmy Fraser, "Beatle Ed," Beatle Brill, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Dr. Pepper, the BeeGee's Sgt. Pepper movie, etc. There are many leads.
If you don't think JPM was replaced, you are certainly entitled to your belief, but really, so much proof contradicts this.
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 3, 2006 19:27:03 GMT -5
1st...GG, yer the 1st to bring up legal (lawyers) & what comes with it...................... YOUR POST WITH THE 1st MENTION OF "LEGAL" & THE 1st CHALLENGE " If people want to take this further in a LEGAL sense then BRING IT ON - I have been friendly up till now but one or two of the posters seem to be bordering on spreading untruths that malign my father as being party to a conspiracy which is fraudulent and involves a suspicious "death". I have tried to clear this up with little success in some posters eyes. How far should we take this? How far do some of you want to go?"
2nd... as I said before... "Did you really think that we're loony enough to just blindly accept the word of any stranger that comes along?" You apparently did indeed think we would just blindly believe ya & IMO that's not a very high opinion of us as a group.
3rd.. thanks for pointin' out my spelling mishap, but I finally got that spelling thing down earlier today, besides, I'M NOT THE ONE WHO'S BEEN DOIN' THE RESEARCH, so it doesn't really matter..... but I got it now... sorry 'bout that.
4th,,, Again.... I did not make the first agressive step... (see #1) I responded that you have no grounds to be threatening us with "bring it on" You wanna challenge us in a legal sense, I'll now refer to you as "you & yer lawyers". That was yer idea... not mine.
5th... we all agree that if yer dad was really the Bee Gee's B.S. then he IS NOT the guy we're interested in. That was the original purpose of Jerri's thread. He's obviously a very talented guy & I'd like to hear that 68 EZ listening LP sometime. Now if there was some way of connecting the Bee Gee's B.S. to the Pepperpots B.S. we could put this mystery to bed; don't ya think?
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