Did Faul drive this man crazy/suicidal?

[mindgames]

Star tenor in apparent suicide attempt -- Jerry Hadley on life support
July 12, 2007 -- Updated 1411 GMT (2211 HKT)

Police: Hadley found at home with head wound; Singer sang lead in Paul McCartney's "Liverpool Oratorio"

POUGHKEEPSIE, New York (AP) -- Celebrated tenor Jerry Hadley remained hospitalized Thursday for a gunshot wound police said was self-inflicted. Jerry Hadley was being treated for depression, according to a police statement.

Hadley created the title role in composer John Harbison's "The Great Gatsby" at the Metropolitan Opera, as well as the lead in Paul McCartney's "Liverpool Oratorio."

Leonard Bernstein chose him to sing the main part in a 1989 production of Bernstein's musical "Candide."

A hospital employee declined to provide an update on his condition Thursday, citing confidentiality laws. Hadley was on life support Wednesday.

On Tuesday just after 7 a.m., the 55-year-old singer shot himself with an air rifle at his Clinton Corners home, several miles outside Poughkeepsie, said Robert Rochler, a senior investigator with the New York State Police.

State troopers found Hadley on the floor of his bedroom, unconscious from a self-inflicted head wound, Rochler said in a statement. An ambulance took Hadley to St. Francis Hospital in Poughkeepsie, where doctors determined that he had a severe brain injury.

Medical staff will evaluate his condition Thursday to determine whether he is to remain on life support, according to the statement. The statement also said that Hadley was filing for bankruptcy and being treated by a doctor for depression.

Hadley was arrested last year in Manhattan -- while at the wheel of his parked car -- on a charge of driving while intoxicated. Prosecutors later dropped the case.

A native of Manlius, Illinois, Hadley started his career in regional companies, singing everything from Mozart to Broadway. His agile romantic tenor was noticed in the late 1970s by the late Beverly Sills, then general director of the New York City Opera, which hired him. He then performed at Milan's La Scala, the Royal Opera House at Covent Garden, the Deutsche Oper in Berlin, the Lyric Opera of Chicago, the San Francisco Opera, the San Diego Opera and the festivals in Glyndebourne, England, Aix-en-Provence, France and Salzburg, Austria.

In 1996, Hadley commissioned composer Daniel Steven Crafts to write music for poems by Carl Sandburg. The work, "The Song and the Slogan," was made into a PBS video that won an Emmy.

Hadley was featured in the 2004 Grammy-winning recording of Leos Janacek's opera "Jenufa." He also excelled in more popular music, including a best-selling recording of "Show Boat."



POUGHKEEPSIE, New York (AP) -- Jerry Hadley, the world-class tenor known for his agile and lyric voice, died Wednesday, a week after he shot himself in an apparent suicide attempt. Jerry Hadley sang lead in Paul McCartney's "Liverpool Oratorio," among many other works.
The 55-year-old singer died two days after doctors at St. Francis Hospital in Poughkeepsie took him off life support, said family friend and spokeswoman Celia Novo.

Hadley, who had been battling personal problems, shot himself with an air rifle July 10 at his home in Clinton Corners, 80 miles north of New York City.

State police said he was found unconscious on his bedroom floor.

The Illinois-born Hadley sang everything from Mozart to show tunes, including appearing on a recording of "Show Boat" that was a best-seller.

He built his reputation tackling demanding work, including the title role in composer John Harbison's 1999 "The Great Gatsby" at the Metropolitan Opera. Leonard Bernstein chose Hadley to sing the title role in a 1989 production of his musical "Candide," and he sang the lead in Paul McCartney's "Liverpool Oratorio" in 1991.

Hadley was featured in the Leos Janacek's opera "Jenufa," which won a Grammy in 2004. "I particularly admired the strength and sweetness of his voice in the lyric Mozart parts and the imagination and commitment he brought to contemporary works," James Levine, music director of the Metropolitan Opera, said in a statement. "He was also a warm, generous colleague with a great sense of humor, who always gave his very best. ... We will miss him enormously."

Hadley started his career in regional companies. He was noticed in the late 1970s by Beverly Sills, then general director of the New York City Opera, which hired him. She died earlier this month.

Hadley also performed at Milan's La Scala, the Royal Opera House at Covent Garden, the Deutsche Oper in Berlin, the Lyric Opera of Chicago, the San Francisco Opera, the San Diego Opera and the festivals in Glyndebourne, England, Aix-en-Provence, France, and Salzburg, Austria.

Hadley in recent years had been dealing with financial problems and was being treated for depression, police said after the shooting. He had been arrested in Manhattan last year in a parked car on a charge of driving while intoxicated. His lawyer said the singer never intended to drive because he realized he was tipsy, and the case was eventually dropped

[mindgames]

Paul McCartney's Liverpool Oratorio is Paul McCartney's first official foray into classical music and was released in 1991. Composed in collaboration with Carl Davis to commemorate The Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra's 150th anniversary, the project received a large amount of media attention upon its unveiling in June 1991.

Broken up into eight separate movements, the story of the oratorio loosely follows McCartney's own lifeline, with the main character, Shanty, who is born in 1942 in Liverpool, raised to believe that "being born where you are born carries with it certain responsibilities". After his school days where he often "sagged off" (Liverpool slang for skipping class), Shanty began working and meets his future bride, Mary Dee. Following the death of his father, Shanty and Mary Dee are married and are forced to deal with the rigors of balancing a happy marriage and their careers. Amid a quarrel, Mary Dee reveals that she is pregnant and after surviving a nearly fatal accident, gives birth to their son. Thus, the cycle of life in Liverpool carries on.

This recording was captured at the oratorio's premiere at the Liverpool Cathedral with McCartney in attendance and features noted professional classical singers Kiri Te Kanawa, Jerry Hadley, Sally Burgess and Willard White re-enacting the roles in the oratorio.

Paul McCartney's Liverpool Oratorio was generally well-received, though a sampling of traditionalist critics took exception to a "pop star" composing classical music. The commercial reaction, predictably, was strong, with the oratorio spending many weeks atop the classical charts worldwide, and even charting at #177 in regular album chart in the US.

Contents [hide]
1 Track listing
1.1 Movement I: WAR
1.2 Movement II: SCHOOL
1.3 Movement III: CRYPT
1.4 Movement IV: FATHER
1.5 Movement V: WEDDING
1.6 Movement VI: WORK
1.7 Movement VII: CRISES
1.8 Movement VIII: PEACE
2 Personnel

[TotalInformation]

doubtful. the FAUL thing drove Brian Wilson insane & probably Syd Barrett. this poor bastard was probably just eating too much prozac.

[B]

Really. Do you blame Faul for the weather too, mindgames?

[JoJo]

I don't know if Mindgames just likes an attention grabbing headline, because nothing in the material quoted supports that premise. Sometimes people make their own choices, and this was a very sad and tragic one.

[mindgames]

jojo said:

I don't know if Mindgames just likes an attention grabbing headline, because nothing in the material quoted supports that premise. Sometimes people make their own choices, and this was a very sad and tragic one.

LOL! Well, seriously though, I read obits everyday, but when I read this a few months ago I did not know there was a Faul connection. I thought I would give it a ridiculous headline/premise, because sometimes the angles explored amongst PID sound this ridiculous. But perhaps by some wierd chance maybe someone has proof to support the premise?

[TotalInformation]

letterb1 said:

Really. Do you blame Faul for the weather too, mindgames?

Can Paul McCartney control the weather?
Jun 24

Source: The Guardian


Updated: Jun.25,2004 10:56

by Ian Sample

Good Day Sunshine was never meant to be a statement of fact, but this weekend, Macca meant it. When his 3,000th concert in St Petersburg's Palace Square was threatened by poor weather, his concert promoters promised that the sun would be shining by the time McCartney took to the stage.

A Moscow company, SAV Entertainments, arranged for three jets to streak over the pregnant skies, dumping vast quantities of dry ice, or frozen carbon dioxide, as they went. By doing so, they hoped to "lock" the rain into the clouds, ensuring a dry spell over the city.

[MikeNL]

totalinformation said:

letterb1 said:

Really. Do you blame Faul for the weather too, mindgames?

Can Paul McCartney control the weather?
Jun 24

Source: The Guardian


Updated: Jun.25,2004 10:56

by Ian Sample

Good Day Sunshine was never meant to be a statement of fact, but this weekend, Macca meant it. When his 3,000th concert in St Petersburg's Palace Square was threatened by poor weather, his concert promoters promised that the sun would be shining by the time McCartney took to the stage.

A Moscow company, SAV Entertainments, arranged for three jets to streak over the pregnant skies, dumping vast quantities of dry ice, or frozen carbon dioxide, as they went. By doing so, they hoped to "lock" the rain into the clouds, ensuring a dry spell over the city.

DUDE!! that's insane..

[mindgames]

Like I always say, what is so special about Paul McCartney that they would have to clone him? Turns out Paul/Faul does have his hand in everybodies cookie jar/weather forcast. He must have some kind of social signifigance/purpose that transends mankind other than just being a popular singer! I bet if I look I'll find some ancient god that equates to him. lil mop top statue or something.

[TotalInformation]

It's a fair question. You can't deny that several people involved in the FAUL saga wound up "batty" and/or dead.

jojo said:

I don't know if Mindgames just likes an attention grabbing headline, because nothing in the material quoted supports that premise. Sometimes people make their own choices, and this was a very sad and tragic one.

[B]

Mindgames wrote:
"(Paul/Faul) must have some kind of social signifigance/purpose that transcends
mankind other than just being a popular singer!
I bet if I look I'll find some ancient god that equates to him.
lil mop top statue or something."

Egg Zacktly!

Long-time secretive advisor to this board, "Apollo C Vermouth" told us early-on that the
PID/PWR mystery could be understood somewhat in the context of the mythical story of
Apollo and Hyacinthus:

ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_bullfinch_8.htm#_ednApollo%20and%20Hyacinthus

Apollo and Hyacinthus.
Apollo was passionately fond of a youth named Hyacinthus. He accompanied him in his sports,
carried the nets when he went fishing, led the dogs when he went to hunt, followed him
in his excursions in the mountains, and neglected for him his lyre and his arrows.
One day they played a game of quoits together, and Apollo, heaving aloft the discus,
with strength mingled with skill, sent it high and far. Hyacinthus watched it as it flew, and excited
with the sport ran forward to seize it, eager to make his throw, when the quoit bounded
from the earth and struck him in the forehead. He fainted and fell.
The god (Apollo), as pale as himself (Hyacinthis), raised him and tried all his art to stanch
the wound and retain the flitting life, but all in vain; the hurt was past the power of medicine.
As when one has broken the stem of a lily in the garden it hangs its head and turns its flowers
to the Earth, so the head of the dying boy, as if too heavy for his neck, fell over on his shoulder.
"Thou diest, Hyacinth," so spoke Phoebus (Apollo), "robbed of
thy youth by me. Thine is the suffering, mine the crime. Would that I could die for thee!
But since that may not be, thou shalt live with me in memory and in song.
My lyre shall celebrate thee, my song shall tell thy fate, and thou shalt become a flower
inscribed with my regrets." While Apollo spoke, behold the blood which had flowed on the ground
and stained the herbage ceased to be blood; but a flower of hue more beautiful than the Tyrian
sprang up, resembling the lily, if it were not that this is purple and that silvery white.*
And this was not enough for Phoebus (Apollo); but to confer still
greater honour, he marked the petals with his sorrow, and inscribed "Ah! ah!" upon them,
as we see to this day. The flower bears the name of Hyacinthus, and with every returning Spring
revives the memory of his fate.

* It is evidently not our modern hyacinth that is here described. It is perhaps some species of iris, or perhaps of larkspur or pansy.

It was said that Zephyrus (the West wind), who was also fond of Hyacinthus, and jealous of
his preference of Apollo, blew the quoit out of its course to make it strike Hyacinthus.
Keats alludes to this in his "Endymion," where he describes the lookers-on at the game of quoits:
"Or they might watch the quoit-pitchers, intent
On either side, pitying the sad death
Of Hyacinthus, when the cruel breath
Of Zephyr slew him; Zephyr (now)penitent,
Who now ere Phoebus mounts the firmament,
Fondles the flower amid the sobbing rain."

An allusion to Hyacinthus will also be recognized in Milton's "Lycidas":

"Like to that sanguine flower inscribed with woe."

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So it would seem that in this account, Apollo could be in the role of John, telling of Paul's (Hyacinthis's)
fate in his music. Faul is the repentent Zephyrus, also telling the story in his material.

But overall the character "Paul" might be better understood as a human incarnation of Apollo:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo
"Apollo has been variously recognized as a god of light and the sun; truth and prophecy;
archery; medicine and healing; music, poetry, and the arts; and more.
Apollo is son of Zeus and Leto, and has a twin sister[/u], the chaste huntress Artemis...."

"...As the patron of Delphi (Pythian Apollo), Apollo was an oracular god - the prophetic
deity of the Delphic Oracle. (Please notice this little bit of info. LB)
Medicine and healing were associated with Apollo, whether through the god himself
or mediated through his son Asclepius. Apollo was also seen as a god who could bring ill-health
and deadly plague as well as one who had the ability to cure.
Amongst the god's custodial charges, Apollo became associated with dominion over colonists,
and as the patron defender of herds and flocks.
As the leader of the Muses (Apollon Musagetes) and director of their choir, Apollo functioned
as the patron god of music and poetry. Hermes created the lyre (think guitar!) for him,
and the instrument became a common attribute of Apollo..."

In Hellenistic times, especially during the third century BCE, as Apollo Helios he became identified among Greeks with Helios, god of the sun, and his sister Artemis similarly equated with Selene, goddess of the moon[/b]...."

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There are other significant aspects to Apollo in the wikipedia article:

Apollo was born "on an island", but one not of Earth:

"When Hera discovered that Leto (Apollo's mother) was pregnant and that
Zeus was the father, she banned Leto from giving birth on "terra firma", or the mainland, or any island.
In her wanderings, Leto found the newly created floating island of Delos, which was neither
mainland nor a real island, and she gave birth there. The island was surrounded by swans.
Afterwards, Zeus secured Delos to the bottom of the ocean. This island later became sacred to Apollo."

"Be at Leso" (Leto), perhaps? An "Octopus's Garden" in any event.

The part about Admetus in the wikipedia article about Apollo is worth looking at with regard to
the meaning of a lightning bolt, and: "Marsyas was a satyr who challenged Apollo to a contest
of music" who found that nobody else was in his tree.

Also notable:

"It was also said that Apollo rode on the back of a swan to the land of the Hyperboreans
during the winter months, a swan that he also lent to his beloved Hyacinthus to ride."




So we've covered the Apollo connections, and I haven't even mentioned the Egyptian deities
that Iamaphoney and others allude to; particularly Osiris and Set, and the avenging Horus.
I think the "mop top statue" shows up in one of the Iaap videos.
"Spirits of Ancient Egypt" fer sure:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qupKSFN70kc

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And last but not least, there's a rivalry of Faul and Paul connection as well, with Faul
being the "evil twin" who later 'came around' due to his loving (but now deceased) wife, only
to be revisisted by Heather 'Lilith' Mills or something.

So, yeah. You're kinda in the ball park with that one. Shea stadium to be exact. ;D
With a bases loaded home run.

Hyacinthis


sadly, in the dirt


"evil" twin / Zephyr

[jarvitronics]

letterb1 said:

...As the patron of Delphi (Pythian Apollo), Apollo was an oracular god - the prophetic deity of the Delphic Oracle. (Please notice this little bit of info. LB)

Python and Delphi are the two programming languages I use more than any others. If Apollo kills Python I will be none too happy about that.

-j

P.S. Oracle is a database, but I eschew it in favor of MySQL. If the day ever comes when I am asked to write code in Delphi and Python for an Oracle database, then it means the end of the world is nigh.

[fireman]

LB, great post.

[B]

Thank you, fireman! The check is in the mail. ;D

[LOVELYRITA]

At a glance, this looks like an aged James Paul...with different hair....

Yikes I better be careful, someone may think I'm saying James Paul is a tenor with the opera...

[LOVELYRITA]

totalinformation said:

letterb1 said:

Really. Do you blame Faul for the weather too, mindgames?

Can Paul McCartney control the weather?
Jun 24

Source: The Guardian


Updated: Jun.25,2004 10:56

by Ian Sample

Good Day Sunshine was never meant to be a statement of fact, but this weekend, Macca meant it. When his 3,000th concert in St Petersburg's Palace Square was threatened by poor weather, his concert promoters promised that the sun would be shining by the time McCartney took to the stage.

A Moscow company, SAV Entertainments, arranged for three jets to streak over the pregnant skies, dumping vast quantities of dry ice, or frozen carbon dioxide, as they went. By doing so, they hoped to "lock" the rain into the clouds, ensuring a dry spell over the city.

With a little help from his friends at HAARP!

[mindgames]

Actually, this man has deep dimples that are apparant when he smiles they go all the way down to his jaw, can't rule him out as a possible temp for Faul, but I was just thinking more on the lines that working with Faul closely on an opera about Faul's life would drive anybody crazy.

On another note, I saw a target commercial that featured Hello Goodbye I was just wondering if Micheal Jackson still owns the Beatles songs, or if Faul bought them back and is now selling them ie selling out as he stated when Niked used Revolution. I add this here because I know there has been talk about Macca driving MJ crazy or somthing.


Thanks for the post LB! I not confinced (edit: "I not confinced " I like that, I'll keep it) that's the signifigance though, I somewhat think there is a cloning factory but easier than replacing the person would be to groom someone else to be the new star, like the Monkees for example of a failed attempt.

Also a lot of times we only look at it as seeing people in power orchestrating all this, which might be virtually impossible, I think unseen powers, supernatural powers are assisting. Call me crazy.

lovelyrita said:

At a glance, this looks like an aged James Paul...with different hair....

Yikes I better be careful, someone may think I'm saying James Paul is a tenor with the opera...

[LOVELYRITA]

What powers does Bill possess that drives people crazy?

Perfectionist? Powers of persuasion? Persistent? People in high places with a great deal of influence are very particular about their work and from those around them.

[TotalInformation]

Being right in the middle of the PID/FAUL business would drive *many* people off the edge.

[LOVELYRITA]

Ain't that the truth? It may drive him off the edge knowing he's an imposter...and living someone else's identity...

[mindgames]

Joe Orton and Kenneth Halliwell

With big recognition going to John Lahr, author of the biography, Prick Up Your Ears.

I met Lahr, briefly, last year. I work presently as a bartender at the Royal Court Theatre, in Sloane Square, London. In the restaurant, we have a bookshop, and recently they sponsored John Lahr to come and do a chat about a new book he has out. I spoke to him about Orton, and his notorious escapades in the London public toilets, and the fact they were torn down. I grabbed a glass tile from the site, and asked John Lahr to autograph it for me, with an appropriate sentiment. With a grin on his face, he signed it, proving that he is indeed a good guy. And he looks just like his dad, Bert, the cowardly lion in The Wizard of Oz.

Kenneth met Joe in 1951, and they were together for 16 years. Joe was a very successful playwright, and Kenneth wanted to be. Joe got very famous, and Kenneth wanted to be. Joe was horribly abusive and rubbed it in Kenneth’s face. Joe was attractive and Kenneth looked more like this, with a bad toupee. Kenneth was not emotionally equipped to deal with Joe.

Joe wrote such plays as Loot, Entertaining Mr. Sloane, and What the Butler Saw. He was hot hot hot.

Joe and Kenneth lived together in Noel Road, in Islington, north London. I live there too. Not that road, but near enough. Their house was located at number 25, and here is the front door. They shared the top floor flat. This plaque now adorns the wall in remembrance of Joe. But I’m getting ahead of myself.

Updated September 2003 - Thanks to findadeath.com friend Darren Boakes who is a big admirer of Joe, he sends us this amazing information: "I met the guy who owns the flat now, and his wife. Their maid lives at 25 Noel Road now, and they live in the next street. It felt so eerie going up the stairs to the flat, and then going in. They were really helpful and told me bits of info that they knew. For instance, when they bought the place that Kenneth's signature is on the deeds for the property. Also nearly all of the place has been refurbished but they lifted the carpet tiles in kitchen to show me the original floor. Also went up to the roof terrace where Joe used to
sunbake." Here is the toilet.

It was so exciting to go, to know that Joe lived and died there. It was special for me. Hard to explain but I will always cherish.

Darren

Thank YOU Darren. Top stuff!

On the night of August 8, 1967, Kenneth flipped. There must be something with the planets that date. Two years later on that same night, Helter Skelter happened, a few thousand miles away. But, the similarity doesn’t end there. Sharon Tate had another connection to Islington, literally steps from Orton’s and Halliwell’s front door.

Back to the story: This is taken directly from John Lahr’s book. I hope he doesn’t mind.

"The note was found on top of the red grained leather binder which held Orton’s diary. The words, fastidiously written, had none of the horror that the scene did.

"If you read his diary, all will be explained. KH PS: Especially the latter part."

Halliwell lay nude on his back in the centre of the room, three feet from Orton’s writing desk. The back of his hands, the top of his chest, and his bald head were splattered with blood. Except for his arms, rigor mortis had set in. Halliwell’s gory pyjama top was draped over the desk chair. On the linoleum floor near him was a glass and a can of grapefruit juice which had speeded the twenty-two Nembutals into his blood, killing him within thirty seconds. Halliwell had died sooner than Orton, whose sheets were still warm when the police discovered him in bed, his head cratered like a burnt candle."


Halliwell used a hammer on Joe, and bashed his head in 9 times with it.

Joe was going to work on a screenplay for a new film starring The Beatles. He’d already met the fab four, and got on well with them. On the morning of the 9th, a chauffeur was sent to pick up Joe to take him to the studio for a meeting. At 11:40am, the driver walked up the three flights of stairs, and knocked on the door of the flat. After no answer, he left, and made a call. He was told to try again, and when there was still no answer, he peeked in the letterbox. Whoops.

Joe Ken



They were indeed in a relationship, but Joe was not the monogamous type. He shagged everything that moved. His most notorious stomping ground was the public lavatory located at the Islington Green. He would sit in a café, and watch the guys going in. If there were someone that struck his fancy going in, off he’d go to join the fun. The toilets are now demolished. L This shit drove Ken insane.

Joe Orton’s funeral took place at Golders Green Crematorium, on August 18th. Two dozen people showed up, and they played The Beatles A Day In The Life. Halliwell’s cremation took place at Enfield in Middlesex, on the 17th. Two people showed up. Their ashes were combined, and scattered in the Garden of Remembrance, at Golders Green.

Trivia: Joe and Kenneth were sentenced to six months in prison, for stealing, defacing and then replacing library books. Most of them were taken from this library. The altered versions were usually very funny, and from what I understand now, the books are on display in a local museum. The fact that the council is now using them as a tourist attraction is sort of interesting.

Trivia: British actor Kenneth Williams cracks me up. The dead queen’s diaries are hysterical, and he mentions Ken and Joe on this page. Good stuff, read more of it.




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[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Sept 12, 2008 2:45:40 GMT -5 mindgames said:

Joe Orton and Kenneth Halliwell

With big recognition going to John Lahr, author of the biography, Prick Up Your Ears.

I met Lahr, briefly, last year. I work presently as a bartender at the Royal Court Theatre, in Sloane Square, London. In the restaurant, we have a bookshop, and recently they sponsored John Lahr to come and do a chat about a new book he has out. I spoke to him about Orton, and his notorious escapades in the London public toilets, and the fact they were torn down. I grabbed a glass tile from the site, and asked John Lahr to autograph it for me, with an appropriate sentiment. With a grin on his face, he signed it, proving that he is indeed a good guy. And he looks just like his dad, Bert, the cowardly lion in The Wizard of Oz.

Kenneth met Joe in 1951, and they were together for 16 years. Joe was a very successful playwright, and Kenneth wanted to be. Joe got very famous, and Kenneth wanted to be. Joe was horribly abusive and rubbed it in Kenneth’s face. Joe was attractive and Kenneth looked more like this, with a bad toupee. Kenneth was not emotionally equipped to deal with Joe.

Joe wrote such plays as Loot, Entertaining Mr. Sloane, and What the Butler Saw. He was hot hot hot.

Joe and Kenneth lived together in Noel Road, in Islington, north London. I live there too. Not that road, but near enough. Their house was located at number 25, and here is the front door. They shared the top floor flat. This plaque now adorns the wall in remembrance of Joe. But I’m getting ahead of myself.

Updated September 2003 - Thanks to findadeath.com friend Darren Boakes who is a big admirer of Joe, he sends us this amazing information: "I met the guy who owns the flat now, and his wife. Their maid lives at 25 Noel Road now, and they live in the next street. It felt so eerie going up the stairs to the flat, and then going in. They were really helpful and told me bits of info that they knew. For instance, when they bought the place that Kenneth's signature is on the deeds for the property. Also nearly all of the place has been refurbished but they lifted the carpet tiles in kitchen to show me the original floor. Also went up to the roof terrace where Joe used to
sunbake." Here is the toilet.

It was so exciting to go, to know that Joe lived and died there. It was special for me. Hard to explain but I will always cherish.

Darren

Thank YOU Darren. Top stuff!

On the night of August 8, 1967, Kenneth flipped. There must be something with the planets that date. Two years later on that same night, Helter Skelter happened, a few thousand miles away. But, the similarity doesn’t end there. Sharon Tate had another connection to Islington, literally steps from Orton’s and Halliwell’s front door.

Back to the story: This is taken directly from John Lahr’s book. I hope he doesn’t mind.

"The note was found on top of the red grained leather binder which held Orton’s diary. The words, fastidiously written, had none of the horror that the scene did.

"If you read his diary, all will be explained. KH PS: Especially the latter part."

Halliwell lay nude on his back in the centre of the room, three feet from Orton’s writing desk. The back of his hands, the top of his chest, and his bald head were splattered with blood. Except for his arms, rigor mortis had set in. Halliwell’s gory pyjama top was draped over the desk chair. On the linoleum floor near him was a glass and a can of grapefruit juice which had speeded the twenty-two Nembutals into his blood, killing him within thirty seconds. Halliwell had died sooner than Orton, whose sheets were still warm when the police discovered him in bed, his head cratered like a burnt candle."


Halliwell used a hammer on Joe, and bashed his head in 9 times with it.

Joe was going to work on a screenplay for a new film starring The Beatles. He’d already met the fab four, and got on well with them. On the morning of the 9th, a chauffeur was sent to pick up Joe to take him to the studio for a meeting. At 11:40am, the driver walked up the three flights of stairs, and knocked on the door of the flat. After no answer, he left, and made a call. He was told to try again, and when there was still no answer, he peeked in the letterbox. Whoops.

Joe Ken



They were indeed in a relationship, but Joe was not the monogamous type. He shagged everything that moved. His most notorious stomping ground was the public lavatory located at the Islington Green. He would sit in a café, and watch the guys going in. If there were someone that struck his fancy going in, off he’d go to join the fun. The toilets are now demolished. L This shit drove Ken insane.

Joe Orton’s funeral took place at Golders Green Crematorium, on August 18th. Two dozen people showed up, and they played The Beatles A Day In The Life. Halliwell’s cremation took place at Enfield in Middlesex, on the 17th. Two people showed up. Their ashes were combined, and scattered in the Garden of Remembrance, at Golders Green.

Trivia: Joe and Kenneth were sentenced to six months in prison, for stealing, defacing and then replacing library books. Most of them were taken from this library. The altered versions were usually very funny, and from what I understand now, the books are on display in a local museum. The fact that the council is now using them as a tourist attraction is sort of interesting.

Trivia: British actor Kenneth Williams cracks me up. The dead queen’s diaries are hysterical, and he mentions Ken and Joe on this page. Good stuff, read more of it.




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Wow, Mindgames.

This requires a bit more looking into.

I'd say.

[mindgames]

Another FAUL wizard of Oz scarecrow/Manson connection, very odd, and I can't help but think of "Max" well's hammer. Pepper was released June of 67 and this happened in Aug. and they played Sgt pepper songs at the funeral really wierd if its true.

[mommybird]

Faul does seem to hold a high place in the heirachy. Why else would he be walking side by side ( their arms appear to be touching ) with her royal majesty Queen Elizabeth the second ?
I was told that most peons are expected to walk a few steps behind her ! I know that he was knighted, but still...

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Sept 16, 2008 18:48:41 GMT -5 @mommybird said:

Faul does seem to hold a high place in the heirachy. Why else would he be walking side by side ( their arms appear to be touching ) with her royal majesty Queen Elizabeth the second ?
I was told that most peons are expected to walk a few steps behind her ! I know that he was knighted, but still...

Good gravy!

That is one ill fitting suit.