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Post by FlamingPie on Apr 1, 2004 21:45:02 GMT -5
The same question has been asked on 60if.
I belive he does, because who else would? Faul's songs are one of the biggest reasons why I belive they are the same person. I just think We Can Work It Out, and With A Little Luck, sound too similar to be written by different people.
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Post by revolver on Apr 1, 2004 22:02:08 GMT -5
Some argue Faul was even more talented than Paul. His quality appeared to go down after the Beatles, but that could be said of the other ex-Beatles as well. Perhaps they were greater than the sum of their parts, which is true for a lot of bands.
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Post by Doc on Apr 1, 2004 23:28:41 GMT -5
Well, also, the transition into the 70's must be considered. Styles changed. Pop tastes kept evolving. To get radio play, to get a single to chart (in order to promnote your album) you had to keep up with the prevailing trends. McCartney's 70's music has infusions of a lot of things 70's. He wasn't redoing the Beatles; he was moving on.
There are some 70's things that just cause a cringe in me: remember (sorry England Dan and John Ford Coley) "I Really Wanna See Ya Tonight?"
They couldn't help it. It fit the times, etc, it was very popular.
or "Moonlight, Feels Right?" (recorded in my home town........)
or "Thank You for Being a Friend?"(sorry, Mr. Gold, its a great sentiment, with a pure lyric, though)
and then there was: "You Make Me Feel Like Dancin', Wanna Dance the Night Away" (sorry Leo, but it WAS so catchy back then)
or lastly: "The Year of the Cat."
These are someone elses favorite songs, so I get the Bad Taste Grinch Award today for meanness.
But then, again, I liked "Car Wash", "Don't Rock the Boat", "Have You Never Been Mellow", and "Eres Tu."
My point is, the 70's was a whole new ball game for everybody. Choices were made. Bacharach wouldn't change (like others), and McCartney and the BeeGees, and many others, did. In the framework of what the STREAM of the 70's was, McCartney music is as important to that decade as the earlier songs were to the 60's.
Regarding a switch in '66--same deal. There are probably songs on the White Album and LIB and maybe Abbey Road, that ARE Bill's. Once again, just my best guess.
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Post by Harb on Apr 2, 2004 8:58:12 GMT -5
There's an interesting line in the song 'Glass Onion' which has relevance to this, where John sings "I told you about the fool on the hill".... I thought this was a McCartney composition?
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 2, 2004 9:10:42 GMT -5
The same question has been asked on 60if. I belive he does, because who else would? Faul's songs are one of the biggest reasons why I belive they are the same person. I just think We Can Work It Out, and With A Little Luck, sound too similar to be written by different people. I have nothing to base this on, but my impression is that he probably has written a few songs over the years, but I think over half of them were commissioned & ghost-written. Ditto with Let It Be & Hey Jude. Either he or the ghost writers could simply listen to lots of early Beatles during the proccess to help influence the writing. Besides.... most of his solo output has been nothing more than bland radio-fluff that fills up time... that's all. If I had written any of it, I wouldn't want my name on it! Unfortunatly, it's all got Paul's name on it & he's not here to defend himself against such mediocrity.
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 2, 2004 9:18:38 GMT -5
and then there was: "You Make Me Feel Like Dancin', Wanna Dance the Night Away" (sorry Leo, but it WAS so catchy back then) or lastly: "The Year of the Cat." These are someone elses favorite songs, so I get the Bad Taste Grinch Award today for meanness. But then, again, I liked "Car Wash", "Don't Rock the Boat", "Have You Never Been Mellow", and "Eres Tu." OH MAN....... Maybe we should schedule in an exorcism to cleanse yer soul of this diabolical 70's poison~! Lets see... 70's. During the mid 70's I was big on the whole glam thing. Sparks, Bowie, Todd Rundgren, Steve Harley, & Marc Bolan. Then BAM...78 everything went out the window (literally) & it was all punk for a few years.
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Post by scatman on Apr 2, 2004 11:06:49 GMT -5
As a songwriter I am blown away by such statement. It's one thing to say you don't care for McCartney's solo work but to flippantly write off his solo catalog as mediocre is unfair. Mediocre by what or who's standards? Certainly not sales...and if you're comparing his solo work to that of the Beatles than 99% of the music world is mediocre as well (including the solo works of Lennon and Harrison).
McCartney's "problem" (for lack of a better word) is he releases everything he writes. He has no filter like he did in the days working with Lennon to weed out the good, the bad, and the ugly. As a result songs like "Simply Having A Wonderful Xmas" get equal time with classics like "Band On The Run" "Live And Let Die" and "Maybe I'm Amazed". Yes he wrote plenty of solo songs I do not care for (like the aforementioned "Xmas"), but I would never be so presumptuous to call most of his solo work mediocre.
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 2, 2004 13:09:11 GMT -5
As a songwriter I am blown away by such statement. It's one thing to say you don't care for McCartney's solo work but to flippantly write off his solo catalog as mediocre is unfair. Mediocre by what or who's standards? Certainly not sales...and if you're comparing his solo work to that of the Beatles than 99% of the music world is mediocre as well (including the solo works of Lennon and Harrison). Well, sure... to each his own. It's just a personal opinion, but most of my music-freak friends would agree with me on this. But none of us ever listen to "commercial" music.... at least not most of the time. Most of the quality music is not on the radio or the top 100. So, to me about 85% of the music world is mediocre. The other 15% is plenty to keep me busy & I spend WAY too much on music.! At this point my cd collection is worth more than my house. The Beatles were a very rare exception to this rule. They were at the top of the charts AND they also produced the highest quality stuff. That is SO rare!
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Post by scatman on Apr 2, 2004 13:17:12 GMT -5
Fair 'nuff. Thanks for explaining.
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Post by jerriwillmore on Apr 3, 2004 18:17:24 GMT -5
Moonlight and Year of the Cat are among my favorite songs. I've always thought Paul wrote his own songs, and if he were a double you'd expect them to be more incisive. (Bip Bop anyone?)
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Post by Doc on Apr 4, 2004 2:48:55 GMT -5
Is that a cross between, Be-Bop and Hip-Hop? Bip-Bop?
I think the song "Hit 'em Up Style" by Blu Cantrell, then, IS Bip-Bop. I mean, I liked it when it was big on the radio. Her vocals evidence an ear for Ella Fitzgerald et al, and the background production by Dallas Austin, coll and trendy, is a pastiche of hip-hop and a fun swing.
Swing is NOT bad music. (OK I am flaming again............) It feels good to bounce!!!!!!
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Post by Doc on Apr 4, 2004 2:53:18 GMT -5
Well, I really think he wrote "No More Lonely Nights", it has a very nice melody, very 70s chords (lots of C11 or Vsus4,sus2,7) chords, that certain harmonic tension so prevalent in the 70's, that is, and its just a good song. Also, the arc-ing, reaching intervals have the flow of the earlier McCartney songs.
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Post by eyesbleed on Apr 4, 2004 8:36:11 GMT -5
Is that a cross between, Be-Bop and Hip-Hop? Bip-Bop? Bip Bop is a rather idiotic song on Wings-" Wild Life".
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Post by Doc on Apr 4, 2004 22:41:08 GMT -5
Ahh, thank you, eyesbleed.........
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Post by B on Sept 17, 2007 9:29:10 GMT -5
Over at the Rotten Apple thread, Nothingthatdoesn'tshow posted this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYdLJRTktNYwhich includes the Faul song "Oh Woman, Oh Why?" It's a peculiar song, and given Faul's tendency to do songs that were clues about Paul, I have to wonder where this fits in. (I have some ideas ;D..which I may post in a bit.) Here are the lyrics: Oh Woman, Oh Why? McCartney (Not originally from the "RAM", btw, as reported on some lyric sites - see note below)Oh woman, oh why, why, why, why What have I done Oh woman, oh where, where, where, where, where Did you get that gun Oh what have I done What have I done Well I met her at the bottom of a well (of a well) Well I told here I was tryin' to break a spell (break a spell) But I can't get by, my hands are tied don't know why I ever got her to try myself cause I can't get by, my hands are tied Oh woman, oh why, why, why, why What have I done Oh woman, oh where, where, where, where, where Did you get that gun Oh what have you done Woman what have you done Well I am fed up with you lying cheating ways (cheating ways) But I get up every morning and every day (every day) But I can't get by , my hands are tied Don't know why I want her to try myself Cause I can't get by, my hands are tied Oh woman, oh why, why, why, why What have I done Oh woman, oh where, where, where, where, where Did you get that gun Woman, what have I done What have you done ------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Woman,_Oh_Why Note: "Oh Woman, Oh Why is a song by musician Paul McCartney. It was first released on the Apple Records label in February 1971 as the B-side to Another Day. The release achieved top-5 status on both sides of the Atlantic, reaching U.S. #5 and U.K. #2 in April 1971. The song has been praised for McCartney's impressive range of pitch. Although Another Day and Oh Woman, Oh Why were not originally released as part of a Paul McCartney album, the latter was released as a bonus track on later editions of the Ram Album."
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Post by Jude on Sept 17, 2007 17:10:19 GMT -5
Sir Paul does not have any "ghost-written" material. There are simply to many people (Donovan, Yoko Ono, etc.) who he in person performed these songs for, sometimes long before they were even recorded. Any fans of "You Know My Name, Look Up The Number"? He and John made that up on the spot. So, in my opinion, to say he has no musical talent is ludicrous and very disrespectful towards the man who gave us "Hey Jude", "Get Back", and "Baby I'm Amazed".
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Post by B on Sept 17, 2007 17:18:04 GMT -5
The song is actually called "Maybe I'm Amazed" even though he says "baby I'm amazed" a lot in it. The line about how he's amazed that she pulled him "out of time" is rather curious. Interesting implications to that one, perhaps.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Sept 17, 2007 18:30:44 GMT -5
I think the fact that he wrote classics such as "Hey Jude" and "Maybe I'm Amazed" (and Monkberry Moon Delight, imo ;D) is what makes people suspect. How can the guy write such great songs and yet...... write crap like "Freedom," "Temporary Secretary" and even "Let Em In"?
Anyone who wants to take it away..... will have to answer.... So you go fight and die while I kick back in my mansion, k?
Key words: GOD, RIGHT, FIGHT, FREEEEEEEEDOM
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Post by JoJo on Sept 17, 2007 18:51:02 GMT -5
Eh there's no accounting for taste.. I kinda like Temporary Secretary, esp the Twin Freaks version. But when I saw you posted "Freedom" I hit the pause button however.. I like the ones that are probably forgotten by most, like Secret Friend, Waterspout (a bootleg) Backwards Traveler, Little Lamb Dragonfly, and others. Others you have to hit the skip button.. (Say Say Say)
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Post by Jude on Sept 17, 2007 18:51:06 GMT -5
I think the fact that he wrote classics such as "Hey Jude" and "Maybe I'm Amazed" (and Monkberry Moon Delight, imo ;D) is what makes people suspect. How can the guy write such great songs and yet...... write crap like "Freedom," "Temporary Secretary" and even "Let Em In"? Anyone who wants to take it away..... will have to answer.... So you go fight and die while I kick back in my mansion, k? Key words: GOD, RIGHT, FIGHT, FREEEEEEEEDOM Monkberry Moon Delight freaks me out. It's good, but not one of my favorites. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey, on the other hand...
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Sept 17, 2007 18:55:42 GMT -5
I too like Little Lamb Dragonfly, as well as Get On the Right Thing just because his voice is so crazy. I don't like Uncle Albert... but I do like Admiral Halsey for the weirdness. I still consider Ram to be his best solo album.
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Post by ramone on Sept 17, 2007 21:14:40 GMT -5
I used to listen to 'McCartney' alot. Liked quite a few there. Maybe I'm Amazed Junk is pleasant enough Every Night Kreen-Akrore (percussion) Looking at the inside cover photos- thinking back, on some level I probably saw this different look with Paul, but it never really registered. Like the one when he's drinking from a straw-hair combed back. Doesn't look Like JPM . But it just doesn't click. Didn't click with the vast majority either.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Sept 17, 2007 22:19:35 GMT -5
It's true.
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Post by ramone on Sept 17, 2007 23:03:24 GMT -5
Domo, that's exactly the one
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Post by mommybird on Sept 18, 2007 15:06:37 GMT -5
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