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Post by That Latvian Guy on Oct 23, 2006 12:05:42 GMT -5
Well, I just remembered - in August I experimented with playing music backwards - and the first thing I was playing backwards was "I Am The Walrus"! Actually, it even sounds better when played backwards ;D But when I listened to the chorus - I heard something that sounded like "Something wrong with my eye". I think, that it was the reversal of phrase "I Am The Walrus". Yes, something might get TERRIBLY wrong, when you are not wearing contact lenses
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Post by lili on Oct 23, 2006 12:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 24, 2006 7:33:46 GMT -5
Yes, something might get TERRIBLY wrong, when you are not wearing contact lenses Well sure, but what does Viv have to do with it? I think bringing Viv Stanshall into the mix is a mistake.
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Post by That Latvian Guy on Oct 24, 2006 8:04:28 GMT -5
Well, theoretically if that's a Faux Vivian, then that could also be Faux Paul. Ah, well, I just changed the picture.
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Post by lili on Oct 24, 2006 13:50:08 GMT -5
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 24, 2006 17:58:36 GMT -5
Oh OK, I see the point now. Carry on buckaroo
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Post by JoJo on Oct 24, 2006 18:26:27 GMT -5
The blond guy in the MMT still is Magic Alex, the guy who oversold his technical abilities to create wizardry in the studio. JMO, but I don't have any trouble reconciling the MMT Vivian with the later and earlier versions. If it's any help, a Youtube account with all the Bonzo videos you could want.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Oct 24, 2006 21:01:16 GMT -5
Well, wasn't it the 60IF epic that "Bill" was dressed as Vivian in MMT doing that performance with the Bonzo Dog Band? That was my impression from the entire Viv and Let Die theme. The deal that "Bill" had blue eyes and that "Viv" had blue eyes....
I don't know but that entire Viv and Let Die was just as strange as the Don Knotts as Brian...
Viv was one peculiar fellow.
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Post by lili on Oct 25, 2006 9:21:50 GMT -5
I in no way believe that Bill took over as Viv at any point in time. I believe that Bill is Bill & Viv is Viv. What I see in MMT is someone other than Viv pretending to be Viv. Why someone would want to do that, is anyone's guess [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"] The photo in which JoJo says that it's Magic Alex with Bill during MMT: A photo taken during the creation of Apple Corp: According to the above photo, Magic Alex is standing inbetween Mal Evans & Ron Kass. I don't think that's the same guy who was walking with Bill in the above MMT photo. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by JoJo on Oct 25, 2006 16:59:53 GMT -5
Another one from MMT, and he was on the bus. (can't find a still at the moment)
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Post by lili on Oct 25, 2006 17:03:07 GMT -5
Jo, thank you very much ! It's great to see a close up of the guy. That sure clears it up for me. Magic Alex it was ! That photo is a keeper. I love how animated Bill is in it !
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Post by beatlies on Oct 26, 2006 18:43:22 GMT -5
Sixties Nostalgia: Elementary penguin sings Hare Krishna juggling semolina pilchard pies in the sky for the Walrus as a kicked Edgar Allen Poe looks on: Well here's another clue for you all: the walrus was Chumley.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Oct 27, 2006 19:54:02 GMT -5
Sixties Nostalgia: Elementary penguin sings Hare Krishna juggling semolina pilchard pies in the sky for the Walrus as a kicked Edgar Allen Poe looks on: Well here's another clue for you all: the walrus was Chumley. And the dude with the Semolina Pie on his head looks rather upset and angry. It must have been a "Flaming Pie".
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Oct 27, 2006 20:00:43 GMT -5
[img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"] The Neil becoming Faul theory is blown out of the water in this pic. This is the Neil that they claim became Faul in TKIN. Unless he had an "out of body" replacement! [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by lili on Oct 28, 2006 16:21:53 GMT -5
That isn't the original Neil in that photo. I'm not even sure if that Faul is Bill or not [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Oct 29, 2006 20:15:39 GMT -5
That isn't the original Neil in that photo. I'm not even sure if that Faul is Bill or not [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"] Upon looking at the Faul in that picture, that man is too "pretty" to be Bill. I'm wondering if it's that SFF Faul, whose face shape looked more like JPM than Bill's. Or was "Mountain Man" the Faul that resembled JPM more? But the voice who sang Back In The USSR, Why Don't We Do It In The Road, Lady Madonna doesn't sound like our man "Bill".
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Post by noodles on Oct 30, 2006 11:04:42 GMT -5
1968's a tricky year but I think that's Let It Be Paul aka Mountain Man. I think they switched between LSD and LIB Paul throughout the first half of 68 at least. It certainly seems to be LSD Paul 'singing' Hey Jude on the David Frost Show whereas the flat faced bug-eyed Hey Bulldog/Lady Madonna video Paul seems to be closer in appearance to LIB Paul. It's all very confusing but then it's supposed to be I guess.
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Post by beatlies on Oct 30, 2006 18:13:57 GMT -5
Sixties Nostalgia: Elementary penguin sings Hare Krishna juggling semolina pilchard pies in the sky for the Walrus as a kicked Edgar Allen Poe looks on: Well here's another clue for you all: the walrus was Chumley. And the dude with the Semolina Pie on his head looks rather upset and angry. It must have been a "Flaming Pie". That's Edgar Allen Poe. I thought about putting "flaming" pie but they just don't appear flaming so I didn't. A walrus might enjoy eating semolina if there were pilchards in it.
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Post by beatlies on Oct 30, 2006 19:45:04 GMT -5
Some interesting details on a website about the MMT film:
Magical Mystery Tour
The Beatles' television film was conceived before Brian Epstein's death, discussed with him and became the group's first solo venture after Brian died.
The concept was Paul McCartney's and he had planned the venture on a flight back to England from America where he'd been visiting Jane Asher during her theatre tour. While there he'd been reading about the adventures of Ken Kesey ([CIA media employee and friend of CIA Timothy Leary] author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) and his Merry Pranksters who had been travelling cross-country by bus.
Paul's idea was for the Beatles to produce their own television spectacular, writing and producing it themselves, using the knowledge they had gleaned from Dick Lester and Walter Shenson while making their first two feature films. The Beatles reckoned that if "Magical Mystery Tour" proved a success on television, they would go on to produce their third feature film themselves.
Press officer Tony Barrow has said that Paul was originally hoping that Magical Mystery Tour?would be suitable for cinema release and was disappointed to be told that this was out of the question.
The 55-minute special, edited down from ten hours of filming, featured six numbers: Magical Mystery Tour, Your Mother Should Know, I Am The Walrus, Fool On The Hill, Flying and Blue Jay Way. Two other songs they wrote for the project were never issued ---Jessie's Dream and Shirley's Wild Accordion. [Shirley Evans, but reminiscent of Shirley Temple]
The idea was a surrealistic mystery trip on a gaily-painted yellow and blue coach. The coach left London on Monday11 September 1967 and filming of the actual trip was completed on Friday 15 September. Paul McCartney met up with the various Mystery Tour passengers at Allsop Place, near the London Planetarium, which the group had often established as a meeting place prior to some of their British tours. Painting still hadn?t been completed on the bus and it arrived two hours later than its appointed 10.45am departure time. Once they set off they headed for Virginia Water, Surrey, to pick up John, Ringo and George as it was close to Weybridge where two of them lived. They then set off for the West Country and Hampshire, Devon, Cornwall and Somerset.
In all there were 43 passengers. Apart from the Beatles and film crew (Ringo was billed as Director of Photography), they included four fan club secretaries: Frieda Kelly, Barbara King, Sylvia Nightingale and Jeni Crowley. There were Neil Aspinall and Mal Evans, plus a small party of dwarfs. One of the dwarfs was Rayston Smith, who died in mysterious circumstances in 1989. His biography, Little Legs, revealed that he was a hit man who had killed several people and had served seven years in jail for manslaughter.
Neil was now the headman at Apple and was later to comment, ?We went out to make a film and nobody had the vaguest idea of what it was all about. What we should have been filming, if anything, was all the confusion, because that was the real mystery tour.?
Also on board were Luke Kelly, the coach driver Alf Manders, Bill Wall, Linda Lawson, Pamela and Nicola Hale, Elizabeth and Arthur Kelly, Liz Harvey and Michael Gladden. There were also a number of actors and actresses for whom basic parts had been outlined on which they could improvise. They included Scottish actor/poet/comedian Ivor Cutler, who portrayed Buster Bloodvessel, a passenger who travelled on all the mystery tours and who developed a passion for Ringo?s Aunt Jessie, played by Jessie Robins. Paul had first spotted Cutler on the television show ?Late Night Line Up? and remembered him when casting for the special. One sunny morning, while John and George filmed a sequence at the Atlantic Hotel, Paul and Ringo set off for Tregurrian Beach where they filmed a romantic interlude between Cutler and Robins. The BBC cut this scene when the special was televised, however, they reinstated it when they re-screened ?Magical Mystery Tour? in 1979.
?Rubber Man? Nat Jackley was filmed by John and George at the Atlantic Hotel swimming pool for a comedy dream sequence in which he was joined by several girls in bikinis. This scene was also consigned to the cutting room floor. However, it was included in the cartoon storybook of ?Magical Mystery Tour? that accompanied the film?s soundtrack EP/album, as this was completed before the film was finally edited. Jackley was a British music hall comedian whose gimmick was his ability to twist his neck as if it were rubber. Jackley died at the age of 79 in September 1988.
There was also Little George Claydon, a tiny actor who played the Amateur Photographer; Maggie Wright as Maggie the Lovely Starlet, Paul?s mini-skirted girlfriend; Shirley Evans, a professional accordionist; Derek Royce as Jolly Jimmy Johnson, the Tour courier (he died in January 2000 aged 61) and Mandy Weet as the Tour Hostess.
There were various other friends such as Paul?s hairdresser, Leslie Cavendish, Paul?s brother Mike McGear and the Apple electronics wizard Alexis Mardas.
Travelling through Devon and Cornwall, they picked up a few extra passengers, such as Spencer Davis (leader of the Spencer Davis Group) with his wife Pauline and their children. The family had been on holiday near Newquay. There was a clip of Winwood?s group Traffic performing ?Here We Go Round The Mulberry Bush?, but this ended up on the cutting room floor.
Most of the interior scenes had to be filmed at West Malling RAF Station near Maidstone, Kent, as Apple Films were unable to book Shepperton Studios in time. One of the scenes shot on Monday 18 September was a sequence filmed in Paul Raymond?s Revue Bar in Soho. It featured the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band performing ?Death Cab for Cutie?, while popular stripper Jan Carson performed her act. Despite the fact that her bare breasts had a ?censored? strip covering them, the entire sequence was excised in Japan.
The sequence featuring Paul singing ?Fool On The Hill? was filmed in Nice, France, on Monday 30 and Tuesday 31 October. When Paul flew to France for the filming he forgot both his passport and his wallet ? he was so used to someone else looking after those details! The French authorities wouldn?t allow Paul any credit and filming was delayed while he arranged for money to be sent over from England.
The basic story concerns a coach trip that Ringo and his Aunt Jessie have decided to take. They visit a tour office and are talked into going on the Mystery Tour by a young man (John Lennon) wearing a thick moustache. Meanwhile: ?Away in the sky, beyond the clouds, live four or five magicians. By casting wonderful spells they turn the Most Ordinary Coach Trip into a Magical Mystery Tour.? The magicians, of course, are played by the four Beatles and Mal Evans, dressed in long wizards? robes and pointed hats. We meet them several times during the course of the journey. The coach has started off to the tune of ?Magical Mystery Tour? and the second number we are treated to is ?Fool On The Hill?. At one point, Paul has a chat with five-year-old Nicola Hale, a touching scene that wasn?t planned or rehearsed.
Many of the episodic scenes during the trip are surrealistic, the most visually intriguing being the one set in front of the high, concrete walls of the deserted West Malling Aerodrome (the walls were finally demolished in 1991). There, ?I Am The Walrus? was filmed, with the Beatles in their animal masks and with egg-headed spectators and swaying policemen on top of the wall. The Marathon Race was held on the same set, with Ringo driving the coach followed by a line of egg-heads, four midget wrestlers, racing motor cyclists, a rugby team, a dozen children, five clergymen and as host of passengers scrambling across the airfield.
For ?Blue Jay Way?, the slightly mystical George Harrison song, a host of people find their way inside a tiny tent to watch George perform the number seated amid swirling smoke clouds. In another scene, Paul plays Major McCartney, with Victor Spinetti as the Recruiting Sergeant. Victor couldn?t take up the invitation of accompanying the Beatles on the trip, but took time off from the film he was making to act out this scene, which is a variation of his ?Oh, What A Lovely War? role.
One of the strongest sequences is ?Aunt Jessie?s Nightmare?, in which the overweight Jessie dreams of lashings of spaghetti while a greasy-haired waiter (John Lennon) heaps pasta on to her table by the spade-full.
In the climactic scene, to the tune of ?Your Mother Should Know?, the Beatles descend a grandiose staircase, dressed in white evening wear, to join a spectacular gathering of dancing couples and saluting girl cadets. Two hundred people were involved in this final scene, including 24 young girl cadets from the Women?s Air Force, who were locally based and 160 members of Peggy Spencer?s formation dance groups.
The Beatles spent six weeks editing the film in a small office in Old Compton Street, Soho, London, engaging a professional film editor, Roy Benson, to help them. The 55-minute film was colourful, funny, mystical and musical. Unfortunately, it received almost universal condemnation from the critics after its initial screening in black and white on BBC 2 on Boxing Day, 1867, when a reported viewing audience of between 13 million people watched it, instead of the anticipated 20 million. TAM (Television Audience Measurement) estimated the viewing figures of other shows that evening as The Square Peg, a Norman Wisdom film ? 17 million; Top of the Pops ? 15 million? David Frost Over Christmas ? 14 million and the film Brigadoon ? 13.5 million. In the Christmas ratings, Magical Mystery Tour was placed at No. 25. However, it must be recognised that BBC 2 was, and remains, a minority channel whose programmes don?t generally approach the figures of ITV and BBC 1.
Negotiations had been taking place with CBS, NBC and ABC in America to buy the film for Stateside screening for $1 million (it cost $100,000 to make), but following the harsh criticism in the British press, the US TV networks lost interest.
The American Time magazine was to report: ?Paul directed, Ringo mugged, John did imitations, George danced a bit and, when the show hit the BBC last week, the audience gagged.?
The show was repeated on BBC 2 on 5 January 1968 in full colour. In the meantime, Paul had appeared on TV and radio shows in an attempt to reply to the hostile reaction from the critics.
He was to ask: ?Was the film really so bad compared to the rest of Christmas TV?? He added: You could hardly call the Queen?s speech a gasser! Our problem is that we are prisoners of our own fame. We could put on a moptop show, but we really don?t like that sort of entertainment any more. Sure, we could have sung carols and done a first class Christmassy show starring the Beatles with lots of phoney tinsel like everybody else. It would have been the easiest thing in the world, but we wanted to do something different, we thought we would do a fantasy film without a real plot. We thought the title was explanation enough. There was no plot and it was formless ? deliberately so and those people expecting a plot were probably disappointed.?
In 1968 ?Magical Mystery Tour? was screened by Dutch Television on 10 February and it was sold to Japanese Television in April. In May it was shown at special screenings at selected cinemas in America, mainly in Los Angeles and San Francisco, A few months later it was premiered at the Savoy Theatre, Boston, where it received positive reviews.
In the years since it was first screened, ?Magical Mystery Tour? has been reappraised. Many have now agreed that the virulent criticism at the time of its initial screening was unjust and perhaps biased, affording critics their first opportunity of knocking the Beatles, who had been riding high for so many years.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 31, 2006 8:26:44 GMT -5
Thanks beatlies, I found that most interesting. I always felt that MMT was harshly criticised myself, I thought it was quite inventive and better than most productions by other amateur film-makers!
" The 55-minute special, edited down from ten hours of filming"
What we would give to get hold of that eh?
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Post by lili on Oct 31, 2006 12:47:24 GMT -5
I'm sure that it will be released eventually. Why would they miss out on that gold-mine ? Unless... Maybe there are things in that other 9 hours that might give us the rest of the clues necessary to finally solve this mystery. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Nov 1, 2006 22:18:50 GMT -5
I'm sure that it will be released eventually. Why would they miss out on that gold-mine ? Unless... Maybe there are things in that other 9 hours that might give us the rest of the clues necessary to finally solve this mystery. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"] I can see it now..the exhaustive Magical Mystery Tour Collection.... 10 hours of BEATLE Footage would never be thrown away, even if it was just the Beatles burping and farting....would be valuable to someone.
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Post by lili on Nov 2, 2006 11:48:34 GMT -5
10 hours of them burping & farting. Now THAT I'd pay money to see ( not ! ).
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Nov 5, 2006 0:30:35 GMT -5
10 hours of burping and farting? Hey, let's not give Yoko any ideas--you know how she is with her experimental filming...
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Nov 5, 2006 21:23:22 GMT -5
10 hours of burping and farting? Hey, let's not give Yoko any ideas-- you know how she is with her experimental filming... Maybe she visits this forum once in a while. And if she does release a burping and farting album, it would be her "gas"...it wouldn't be vintage "Beatle gas". This began with backmasking...maybe the "gas" played backwards has a mysterious message...... Yeah, don't inhale..... But then Yoko "gas" may sound better than her actual "singing". Instead of being a "sacred turd", it's "sacred gas"...
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