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Post by lili on Jan 23, 2006 10:13:20 GMT -5
I don't think so, Rita. 1st off, John sings it. The person singing the song was usually the one who contributed most to it. Secondly, it's more John's style. Paul just wasn't the type to be violently jealous. He was more likely to be loud & vocal, like he was to Janie on the set of Alfie. Paul was definitely more the type to use his mouth rather than his fists, to get his point across. Here's a link to Sylvie & The Beatles: www.sylvievartanshow.com/Olympia1964-galerie.htmlCheck out these three links: Pascalini Dessin de 1965 Dessin de 1966 Dessin de 1972 I found them on this page: www.aplmusique.com/vartan/vartancr.htmAll I can say about those 3 links is - WEIRD. In each portrait, her face has grown LONGER !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 23, 2006 21:57:29 GMT -5
Acccording to another forum, the last Fylvie was a drag queen referred to as Poly Vartan. Which would make for the inspiration of Polythene Pam.
THink about those lyrics.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 23, 2006 22:32:20 GMT -5
From what I've been able to tell, she was killed sometime after August 1965. She was replaced soon after with the 1st Fylvie, Marisa Sannai ( am I spelling that right ? ). I have seen photos from a Sylvie photo session taken in late 1965, that are NOT Sylvie. They are Marisa, but are being touted as Sylvie. JPM found out about DORIS DAY in August 65. I think JPM and Sylvie decided to use a Sylvie double at about that time -- (especially if Sylvie was getting quite pregnant w/ little nicholas.) Please. Something like this likely happened w/in hours/days of JPM's death.
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Post by beatlies on Jan 24, 2006 2:33:58 GMT -5
Acccording to another forum, the last Fylvie was a drag queen referred to as Poly Vartan. Which would make for the inspiration of Polythene Pam. THink about those lyrics. This Fylvie does look like a transsexual, not just a transvestite --- as well as the obviously wrong physical aspect, you would think the listening public would notice the vocal differences with Sylvie, Fylvie1 and Fylvie2? Are people actually this stupid ??! As far as an alleged JPM-Sylvie relationship, Nicholas, date of the replacement of Sylvie-Fylvie1, there is just so little information available, and what there is has not been clearly organized by any researcher on the web. One should be careful of building castles in the air and jumping to conclusions, unfounded speculations etc. I think both JPM and Sylvie were under close government watch and control and had little independence to start their own faking games, even if either of them dared to think of attempting that.
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Post by lili on Jan 24, 2006 13:18:49 GMT -5
I may not agree with Beatlies about everything. However, I think that he might be onto something here. I don't think that Paul was controlled by the govt. as far as him being a spy of some sort. I think he might've been used by the record company & HATED the way that things had turned out. It appears that the record company IS controlled by the govt. So, I guess that gives what he says merit.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 24, 2006 13:32:06 GMT -5
As far as an alleged JPM-Sylvie relationship, Nicholas, date of the replacement of Sylvie-Fylvie1, there is just so little information available, and what there is has not been clearly organized by any researcher on the web.
That's why I asked the poster lili to post some of her SYLVIE VARTAN pics w/ dates. The pregnancy mention was a parenthetical; the larger point is that just because someone (Sannia?) was imitiating VARTAN in 65-66 it does not necessarily mean Sylvie was dead already. A double could have been used for any number of reasons.
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Post by lili on Jan 25, 2006 11:55:40 GMT -5
T.I, yesterday, I tried finding the site that had Fylvie pics dated 1965. I had no luck finding it. I will look through my favorites, in case I had saved it when I 1st saw it. I have posted Sylvie's wedding photo in which, IMO, she looks very pregnant. As soon as I find photos of Sylvie & the 1st Fylvie with accurate dates, I will post them here. What I find odd are the photos from 1966 of Marisa & her son. It's her son, not Sylvie's son. So, where did Sylvie go ? Did she live long enough to actually bear her child ?
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Post by lili on Jan 25, 2006 13:48:53 GMT -5
Here's another link to an interesting Sylvie Vartan site. You have to translate it from the French. It has photos from a tour of Japan that she did in 1965. It doesn't give the date though. She definitely does NOT look pregnant in any of the photos from that show. www.sylvievartanshow.com/Taken from this site: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvie_VartanIf she WAS pregnant during her wedding to Johnny H., David can't be the same child. He was born August of the following year. Again, Sylvie's wedding photo: Here are some photos of Sylvie, 1965 & earlier:
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 25, 2006 22:27:34 GMT -5
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Post by lili on Jan 26, 2006 7:46:17 GMT -5
Don't be sorry. That is great ! It totally reinforces my theory that Johnny was seeing Marisa BEFORE he killed Sylvie. That places Sylvie's death prior to Sept., 1965. The photo shoot that I was looking for of Marisa as Sylvie was done later in 1965. In fact, I think it might've been dated September. As you can see, I try not to post things that I don't have sufficient evidence about. That article is a goldmine. And yes, that is NOT Sylvie in that photo with Johnny H. !
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 26, 2006 22:04:21 GMT -5
In these two, although it does seem to be about 1965-6, that is Fylvie/Marissa, not Sylvie, her face is a little longer and she isn't quite as pretty as Sylvie. Great pics.
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Post by lili on Jan 27, 2006 11:59:07 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not sure if that is Sylvie or Fylvie. I think that the difference between Sylvie & Marisa wasn't as great as that between Sylvie & the second replacement Fylvie. I found those three portraits that I posted the links to fascinating. They show how Sylvie's face has grown longer over a three year period ! It's kind of amusing how the artist has painters standing on a platform suspended in the air. They're working on the face of Sylvie/Fylvie, which is a huge billboard. Just as a plastic surgeon would work on the face of a woman !
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