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Post by pennylane on Jun 15, 2005 5:50:22 GMT -5
Why are there PID clues prior to 67?
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 15, 2005 7:34:10 GMT -5
Who knows! No... really, I think Harb's OPD site probably has the most complete colletion of clues... including those pre-67. Personally I've not given the pre-67 clues much thought or attention.... I think there's a chance that some of those are more coincidence than anything. I haven't seen anything that's as deliberate as having a record say "turn me on deadman" when ya play it backwards. But then again.......... like anything around this mystery that doesn't add up; I figure there could be a lot more to this than what we've concluded so far. So, as it is..... I usually discount the pre-67 clues, they seem kinda weak anyway. But ya just never know do ya! Harb's OPD site- mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/opd/index.html |
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Post by pennylane on Jun 15, 2005 8:37:47 GMT -5
wow.. Thanks for the link eyesbleed.. I'd only read a few, but there are heaps on that site. I'm a little confused now.. really they have as much relevance as all the post 66 clues.. This is just weird!  |
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Post by JoJo on Jun 15, 2005 10:20:56 GMT -5
If something completely unexpected and out of the blue happened in 1966, then it wouldn't make sense. On the other hand, if this was the end result of events that lead up to it.. Who knows.
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Post by pennylane on Jun 15, 2005 22:53:02 GMT -5
Well to quite honest.. after seeing this, and what I've said before about seeing Bill pre 66.. I'm beginning to wonder if it really was just an elaborate hoax after all *shrug*
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Post by JoJo on Jun 16, 2005 5:35:08 GMT -5
Problem for me is always gonna be Bill's bizarre look before the second round of plastic surgery kicked in. (I won't post a barrage of stills here) There are those who say all is fine, move along, nothing to see, but you know what I mean.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Jun 16, 2005 7:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by -Wings- on Jun 18, 2005 4:04:14 GMT -5
I think the only pre-'67 lyrical "clue song" that holds as much relevance as the other ones is I'm Looking Through You. The rest are just occasional references to something being dead or death, nothing like songs such as Strawberry Fields Forever, Hello Goodbye, or All You Need is Love. To me, it's not so much clues as it is the actual meaning behind the songs themselves... the story the music is telling.
I still see the same Paul McCartney up to early September of '66. Following that, we get somebody who looks radically different, and then very slowly begins to look like Paul again, although he never quite gets there.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 18, 2005 14:34:14 GMT -5
I think the only pre-'67 lyrical "clue song" that holds as much relevance as the other ones is I'm Looking Through You.
That's a "Doris is dead" clue...
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 18, 2005 15:02:15 GMT -5
I think the only pre-'67 lyrical "clue song" that holds as much relevance as the other ones is I'm Looking Through You.That's a "Doris is dead" clue... Really?  Please explain. |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jun 19, 2005 12:34:09 GMT -5
I think the only pre-'67 lyrical "clue song" that holds as much relevance as the other ones is I'm Looking Through You.That's a "Doris is dead" clue... ...or Sylvie Vartan. |
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Post by Doc on Jun 21, 2005 21:19:52 GMT -5
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Post by xpt626 on Jun 21, 2005 21:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Jun 21, 2005 21:49:56 GMT -5
Where did that come from? Mining holes is interesting, hmmm. But, he was still in Africa then, or just returned, have to check that. Been over that period with a fine tooth comb, no moped accident, just a big black hole of practically NO information.
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Post by Doc on Jun 21, 2005 21:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Jun 21, 2005 22:02:21 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Jun 21, 2005 22:10:56 GMT -5
Has that album been released yet? Love to hear that. |
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Post by Doc on Jun 21, 2005 22:22:49 GMT -5
It is now generally accepted that McCartney was the main motivator for much of The Beatles' later work. After they retired from touring in mid-1966, Lennon and Harrison retreated to secure country estates in the so-called 'stockbroker belt', well outside London. But McCartney continued to live in the city, first in a house in the center of town, then at a larger property in St John's Wood, a short distance from Abbey Road Studios. He was often seen at major cultural events such as the International Times launch party at The Roundhouse (which he attended in disguise). He also avidly delved into the visual arts, becoming a close friend of leading art dealer and gallery owner; also explored experimental film and regularly attended movie, theatrical and classical music performances. Although he was not the first in the group to take LSD, McCartney was the first British pop star to openly admit to using it, and his frank revelation during a newspaper interview in early summer 1967 made headlines around the world. In a famous BBC TV interview broadcast nationally on 19 June 1967, McCartney was again asked about his LSD use and his answer was impressive for its clarity: "I was asked a question by a newspaper, and the decision was whether to tell a lie or tell him the truth. I decided to tell him the truth ... but I really didn't want to say anything, you know, because if I had my way I wouldn't have told anyone. I'm not trying to spread the word about this. But the man from the newspaper is the man from the mass medium. I'll keep it a personal thing if he does too you know ... if he keeps it quiet. But he wanted to spread it so it's his responsibility, you know, for spreading it, not mine." Interestingly, in spite of his statements then, and later admission that he also used cocaine regularly at that time, McCartney was fortunate to be one of the few leading British pop stars who did not fall foul of the Drug Squad, as did Lennon, Harrison and many other friends including The Rolling Stones and Donovan. On the musical side, Paul was the first Beatle to record an outside project, composing (with George Martin) a fine score for the 1966 feature film The Family Way, for which he won a prestigious award. He also wrote and produced several successful recordings for other artists and on some of these outside productions he worked under a pseudonym, reflecting his enduring fascination with disguises and aliases. McCartney devised many of their most important late Sixties projects including the Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band concept, the Magical Mystery Tour film and record, and the suite of songs that closes the Abbey Road LP. In 1969, despite obvious signs that the band was falling apart, he attempted to convince The Beatles to return to the stage, suggesting the Get Back project, which evolved into their valedictory film and album Let It Be. Although McCartney hoped it might revive them, the film made it obvious that the band was done as a creative force and that bickering, jealousy and the pressures of being The Beatles had driven the four musicians apart irrevocably. Regardless of the internal strife, the band retained their popularity, and the public's interest in them was only intensified in late 1969 when an urban legend was started that McCartney died and was secretly replaced in 1966. Although Ringo Starr had briefly quit in 1968 and George had done likewise in 1969 it was Lennon who was the first to leave and not return in Aug/Sep 69. However it was McCartney who finalized the end of the group by announcing it publicly when he released his own solo album (and legally dissolved the band after filing a lawsuit to break up their partnership on 31 December 1970). By this time, Lennon and McCartney's friendship had been eroded by years of friction and rivalry, and it was only a short time before Lennon's death that they were reconciled at least partly. !!!!!!! from: www.topsynergy.com/famous/Paul_McCartney.aspI have not done the "relationship analization" that is offered at this site. But, why should I? We seem to get along pretty well, you know, hehe..........OK, OK, we've never met or anything like that, I mean, let's be real. But the vibes are, well, cosmically conscious. And, I hear that's a good thing. |
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 21, 2005 22:24:11 GMT -5
I guess they've been friends from the beginning. Bill & Linda went to Brians '67 B-day party & he's on the original recording of Vegetables. Since you brought up Smile.... the live dvd was just released. Doc.... you GOTTA get this! It's absolutely amazing. It was surprising enough that Brian would be able to face the music & record a finished "Smile".... It was another huge struggle to actually get thru a live debut performance, but once he did, it's like he conquered all his demons. The dvd is a later LA show & I don't think I've ever seen brian smiling & enjoying himself as much as is evident here. This also comes with a bonus dvd that's a 2 hr documentary about Smile & Brian. EVERYBODY SHOULD GET THIS DVD! |
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Post by Doc on Jun 21, 2005 22:31:04 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Jun 21, 2005 22:43:59 GMT -5
I guess they've been friends from the beginning. Bill & Linda went to Brians '67 B-day party & he's on the original recording of Vegetables. Since you brought up Smile.... the live dvd was just released. Doc.... you GOTTA get this! It's absolutely amazing. It was surprising enough that Brian would be able to face the music & record a finished "Smile".... It was another huge struggle to actually get thru a live debut performance, but once he did, it's like he conquered all his demons. The dvd is a later LA show & I don't think I've ever seen brian smiling & enjoying himself as much as is evident here. This also comes with a bonus dvd that's a 2 hr documentary about Smile & Brian. EVERYBODY SHOULD GET THIS DVD! I will, eyesbleed. I think this is important, kind of monumental. Here is a man with this history, as you can read from the links I posted. And then, here is this amazing work he has produced now. And, it is recorded for all to enjoy. You really never know what things are going to happen with people. Maybe "Smile" was never meant to exist in this form until now, after all. 37+ years is a long time to hold a vision. |
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 21, 2005 23:16:47 GMT -5
37+ years is a long time to hold a vision. The bonus documentary does a good job of telling the story of how & why this happened. The studio cd is also out & excellent, but this live dvd is excellent beyond words. |
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Post by TotalInformation on Jun 26, 2005 22:02:23 GMT -5
Rubber Soul was the dead Doris album for all intents and purposes. It was recorded right after their stay in the Melcher properties at the end of the 65 US tour.
Brian Wilson called it the first concept album. Maybe he was one of the few who got the concept, he also knowing Doris is dead at the timne.
Brian W answered with Pet Sounds, then JPM with Revolver.
Wilson was almost done with his answer to Revolver, SMiLE, when Mal introduced him to Sir Golem and the Pepper tapes. JPM had bested Wilson from the grave and it sent him over the edge, leaving the album incomplete for nearly 40 yrs.
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Post by Doc on Jun 26, 2005 23:33:40 GMT -5
Total--thanks for pointing that out. Chilling.......Wilson has had to carry a lot of his own unspoken emotional baggage all these years, too.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jun 27, 2005 7:38:34 GMT -5
Wilson was almost done with his answer to Revolver, SMiLE, when Mal introduced him to Sir Golem and the Pepper tapes. JPM had bested Wilson from the grave and it sent him over the edge, leaving the album incomplete for nearly 40 yrs. It's unfortunate that there was so much negativety around him at that time. (IMO) Smile is a better album than Sgt.P. If he coulda just gotten by everybody's negative crap & finished the album, he could've topped The Beatles once again. |
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Please explain.
??Leading to rumors of death by decapitation???