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Post by eyesbleed on Feb 13, 2009 8:50:09 GMT -5
Good points... And I see ya caught me before I edited my post. ;D
I suspect that a lot of the negativity towards Carmen has as much to do with his under estimating this forum & it's members vast knowledge of this subject, as it does with money.
I doubt that there's anything that hasn't already been brought up here & discussed at length at one time or another.
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Post by plastic paul on Feb 13, 2009 9:50:26 GMT -5
That's the feeling I get from the "Well, actually Paul did die but not how you think he did." comment.
I'm thinking that, due to all the talk of world peace, that carman is suggesting something to do with the usual spiritual enlightenment, old soul dying, being reborn etc. stuff which certainly has been discussed here a lot. Though I might be wrong of course.
I usually am...
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 12:25:14 GMT -5
OK, I was hoping I wouldn't have to do this. You see, I like JoJo. He didn't ban me from his forum like others have. But, you're taking his word about my book and he's not really telling you anything about it. You see, if you read the book he may as well shut down the forum all together, because you will no longer believe for a second that Paul McCartney really died (not in body anyway.) JoJo, maybe we can redirect the focus of the forum from myth to truth. But, the truth is scary, especially once we acknowledge it then we need to do what the "fool on the hill" wants us to do. You see we don't like him because "we can see what he wants to do".
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Post by JS2 on Feb 13, 2009 12:51:28 GMT -5
You were banned because The End and KHAN are less tolerant of outlandish crap. But this being a PID forum...
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Post by B on Feb 13, 2009 13:28:38 GMT -5
Carman wrote: "You see, if you read the book he may as well shut down the forum all together, because you will no longer believe for a second that Paul McCartney really died (not in body anyway.)"
Well I read the book, and I don't concur with that statement. I fully understand your take on it, Carman, but there still is a possibility that Paul may have really died, and that you aren't aware of it. Or he may have simply left the group: "He bag production." (He said "Screw this; I'm out of here!")
I do not agree with your assessment that Paul "looks the same today as he ever did." I'll give you a challenge, Carman. You wrote about the lyrics for "Blue Jay Way" in your book. You didn't, however, address why George was worried that he "might be asleep" in the song. You see, he was still fairly young when the song came out. Why would he be worried about being "asleep" (dead)? I would suggest that perhaps the time element of his expectation exceeded just a few short years. (starts singing) "There's more to the picture, than meets the eye..."[/color]
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Post by pauliedied on Feb 13, 2009 13:31:35 GMT -5
Hey Jojo, hey letter b
it would be appreciated if you would share the book.
thanks in advance
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Post by B on Feb 13, 2009 13:44:39 GMT -5
I didn't download it; sorry.
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 13:57:31 GMT -5
If you read the book(as you said you did) by now you know that I'm substantiating that the Beatles were trying to do something very, very, dangerous. George may have been afraid for his life. You probably already agree with this, but have you discussed on your site as I have in my book in specific detail exactly what they were trying to do, what made them want to do it and where it was to happen? I have never read anywhere on the web, in books or heard on talk shows about the Beatles, the premise I've put forward in my book. I think you started going in the right direction but you missed the target.
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Post by B on Feb 13, 2009 14:15:38 GMT -5
Actually the poster Total Information at this sight has spoken about the songs "Good Day Sunshine", and "Sunshine Superman". He has expressed the idea that the "Sunshine" in the songs was in praise of "Orange Sunshine" LSD, and that the "Sunshine Superman" was Paul, so some of your idea, Carman, has come up for discussion, but I would say your book is the most systematic presentation of the idea that I have seen. (But there's more to it! ;D Have you looked at some of the Iamaphoney/the Rotten Apple material? )
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 14:47:30 GMT -5
Ok, you simply cannot understand the Beatles unless you have an in depth understandiong of LSD. I'm not talking about the stuff out on street today, much of what passes as LSD is actually something else or a diluted subsatnce. I'm talking about the original stuff produced by highly skilled chemist. It was pure and powerful and you will never be the same after tripping on it. As Bob Dylan said "it is strong medicine". By the way, in case you're wondering, I've never done it, too risky unless under very controlled conditions, but I've done a lot of research on it and you will get a good eduction on it if you read my book. The Beatles all got hit on the head with "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" and that's where it all began.
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Post by B on Feb 13, 2009 15:10:04 GMT -5
Carman wrote: "The Beatles all got hit on the head with 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' and that's where it all began."That is basically the premise of the book; that The Beatles felt that the use of LSD enabled them to get past their egos, and to perceive love that could change the world, if everyone were to have the same experience. They became advocates for the use of LSD as a transformative agent. Then, "with our love, we (all) could change the world" to one where greed, evil, etc. wouldn't exist. Their songs, from Pepper on, were meant to encourage that course of action. Even so, they were disappointed when we didn't accept the invitation to join them. So now ya know. That is the gist of the book.
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Post by JoJo on Feb 13, 2009 15:32:49 GMT -5
You were banned because The End and KHAN are less tolerant of outlandish crap. But this being a PID forum... Gee thanks.. I think.. Nothing he's said or done has come close to being worthy of a ban. Just don't be annoying, that's all I ask.. Carman, here's the deal.. I can hook everyone up with a download, and while you made the comment "you don't care", I don't know if you just said that because you were getting exasperated. If you say it's OK following this post, then I'll do it. I suppose everyone who does download could at least promise to do something unselfish with those three whole dollars, perhaps buy a friend their favorite beverage or something at least.. What do you say?
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 16:24:17 GMT -5
That's fine with me , in fact I hope you do it because that little synopsis misses some of the books originality. I want people to see the entire plan with all the specifics.
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Post by JoJo on Feb 13, 2009 17:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Feb 13, 2009 18:56:25 GMT -5
Carman. Is that your real name?
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 19:34:03 GMT -5
No, just a pen name. Also, please be aware that I've been editing the book every day to correct typos and I may have added some content since JoJo downloaded, please overlook. Everytime I read it, I find something to correct.
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Post by iameye on Feb 13, 2009 19:41:15 GMT -5
No, just a pen name. Also, please be aware that I've been editing the book every day to correct typos and I may have added some content since JoJo downloaded, please overlook. Everytime I read it, I find something to correct. why don't you work on the layout while you are there? it's really a mess.
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Post by FP on Feb 13, 2009 20:32:42 GMT -5
No, just a pen name. Also, please be aware that I've been editing the book every day to correct typos and I may have added some content since JoJo downloaded, please overlook. Ok. Ringo didn't write With A Little Help From My Friends.
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 21:12:19 GMT -5
I agree about the layout. The problem started because I first wrote it in microsoft publisher. It looked pretty good but I tried 'print on demand publishing' and they require a microsoft word format. I converted back to word but for some reason it put everything in text boxes. The only real answer was to retype the entire book. I was too lazy to do that so I worked with what I had. It's been a nightmare to deal with. I'm not a professional and have spent as much time on the technical issues as writng the book. Print on demand requires an exact setup in order to accept your manuscript. Basically they want to just print out what you send them. They give no help unless you're willing to pay them big bucks. All I want at this point is your opinion of the content. If it's worthy of reproduction I can always send it to a regular book publisher. They will turn it into a real book and take care of all the visuals. However, that can be a very disheartening experience as they reject most manuscripts except from established writers ,so before I try I want impressions from the people who are interested in this genre. My question to you is; if you saw this in a book store (and didn't have time to read it there) would you buy it for a resonable price?
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Post by iameye on Feb 13, 2009 21:44:51 GMT -5
it's unreadable. maybe someone will post by chapter?
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Post by JoJo on Feb 13, 2009 21:58:54 GMT -5
The story that the Beatles bought a Greek island was substantiated here: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2502Maybe the name "Leso" is not quite as firm as possible, but.. It would seem they bought an island, but changed their minds and dropped the idea. Bbbchords is correct, Ringo didn't write WALHFMF, that was a Lennon-McCartney (officially) composition. You didn't say he wrote it exactly, just that it's implied Ringo is singing his own words. Dig deeper with Lucy in the Sky.. This argument about "is it or isn't it" has been going on since Pepper went on sale. And perhaps acid inspired the imagery painted in song but.. It's possible John wasn't consciously aware that he was appearing to say "LSD". What he really was aiming for was a retelling of Through The Looking Glass/Alice In Wonderland. His fascination with Lewis Carroll from as far back as childhood was well documented. Comments for the time being..
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 22:38:02 GMT -5
Response to JoJo's comments:
We all love Ringo but know he wasn't the most creative Beatle. Let's give him the credit for "a little help from my friends" anyway, the others got their share.
OK, Lucy in The Sky may not be about LSD? Maybe John wrote it in between one of his thousands of trips he admitted to taking. What a coincidence!
You would think with the vast resources of the internet I would have found something about a Greek island that sounded like leso or rhymed with leso, nothing? And were the Beatles bored or something that they decided to add the o to their name on the album cover? I don't know why we waste our time trying to figure out such silly people.
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Post by B on Feb 13, 2009 22:44:58 GMT -5
Carman wrote: "My question to you is; if you saw this in a book store (and didn't have time to read it there) would you buy it for a resonable price?"
I would; for $2.99. However (gee, have I said this before?) there's more to PID/PWR, and much has been uncovered here.
"I don't know why we waste our time trying to figure out such silly people."
It's one of life's great mysteries. ;D
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Post by iameye on Feb 13, 2009 23:00:59 GMT -5
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Post by carman on Feb 13, 2009 23:56:48 GMT -5
It's unreadable? Wow, you are critical. But, you're entitled to your opinion.
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