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Post by carman on Feb 24, 2009 20:58:53 GMT -5
If anyone is interested, I've recorded a podcast to be aired this weekend. The website is www.bertone-beatle-bonanza.net click on the podcast button, it should be there by Sat.. I'll explain how I came to write the book. Also, I'm sending JoJo my latest version.
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Post by B on Feb 24, 2009 21:02:52 GMT -5
Thanks! I am looking forward to it.
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Post by JoJo on Feb 25, 2009 18:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Feb 25, 2009 18:43:51 GMT -5
thanks Carman and JoJo
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Post by puzzled on Feb 25, 2009 19:00:17 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks for setting us hippies straight.
In the forty plus years since the Beatles arrived on our shores, fans have analyzed their music, deciphering every word of every song. Attempts to prove Paul is dead or who was the Walrus or what they meant by “yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dogs eye” really meant. The WEB is packed full of Beatle forums where past and current fans discuss every aspect of the Beatle phenomenon. Beatlemania is alive and well. Most of what I read makes no coherent sense and lacks any real insight into the Beatles mystical genius. Their music is on a level too deep and spiritually inspired to be even vaguely understood by pop idle worshiping neo groupie Beatlemaniacs. Since the 1960’s, I always knew the Beatles were trying to do one thing only; start a new world.
When I posted my ideas in the Beatle forums I was amazed at the responses from the current Beatle fans, everything from ridicule to indignation. They were not open to any other perspective on the Beatles. They believed they knew all there was to know and were the Beatle experts. Except for one fact, they never saw The Real Secret Message and refused to acknowledge it in spite of many indications of where to look and explanations of what the Beatles were really trying to do. I say trying to do because I believe they were actually trying to do something phenomenal and it went generally unnoticed then and now.
I consider this quote just as inane as you do 'most' of everyone else's insights.
"Since the 1960’s, I always knew the Beatles were trying to do one thing only; start a new world."
Well if you have known that the Beatles were building a New World since the 60's, look around. What an awesome job they did.
Divorce, drugs, illegitimate children denied, friends left penniless and taken advantage of - these are definitely the signs I look for in a prophet and savior.
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Post by plastic paul on Feb 25, 2009 19:06:26 GMT -5
Yeah that's the problem puzzled, whatever carman appears to say always sounds incredibly aloof and hypocritical, but I probably think that because I make no coherent sense, nor do I have any insight to Beatles' mystical genius....
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Post by puzzled on Feb 25, 2009 19:12:24 GMT -5
And if the Beatles are so anti-establishment and hiding all this information away from those in power, why has the queen knighted JPM and most of the R&R stars from Britain? How stupid do you think these people are?
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Post by carman on Feb 25, 2009 22:58:58 GMT -5
I quess I'd better respond to some of this; I said I understood what they tried to do in the 1960's. They realized by 1970 the world was not going to change that easily. They continued to try and make things better but when they saw it wasn't going to be as they hoped, Paul wrote 'Let It Be'. I don't mean to insult anyone, I'm saying that we still have many people who only think of them as a 'cool rock group' and nothing more, I think that's missing what was really significant about them. They could very well have basked in the fortune of their incredible fame and popularity, but instead they decided to try and save us from a self destructing world. The 1960's Beatles were a part of the times. There were two worlds, the establishment and the subculture. The establishment prevailed. The subculture died and most of them were absorbed into the mainstream, including myself. The whole thing was just a passing phenomenon. But, I personally think we need their message now more than ever. As you point out the world did not get any better and that was not their fault, this is not what they wanted. Also, during this time they nearly were broke from giving money away to anyone who asked. (except to people with minds that hate). They didn't care about money or fame or celebrity, they cared about us.
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Post by B on Feb 28, 2009 8:47:50 GMT -5
Just a reminder, Carman's podcast will be available today.
update: Can anybody find it? I am having no luck.
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Post by carman on Mar 2, 2009 11:27:28 GMT -5
The podcast is also on my website www.beatlestherealsecretmessage.comWhile I'm here, I thought I would apologize to the members of this forum for anything I've said that was condescending. I had a line in my book that read "no intelligent person would believe that Paul is dead". I've altered that line to what I really think; the people on this forum are more open minded and accepting of new ideas than any other I've been on. We may differ in our conclusion, but we both agree that something interesting was going on, so we start with he same premise but come to different conclusions. You've allowed me to express my ideas and that 's the quality of thinking intelligent people.
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Post by B on Mar 2, 2009 11:59:33 GMT -5
Thank you for the link and the kind words, carman. I will give it a listen tonight.
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Post by puzzled on Mar 2, 2009 13:18:46 GMT -5
The podcast is also on my website www.beatlestherealsecretmessage.comWhile I'm here, I thought I would apologize to the members of this forum for anything I've said that was condescending. I had a line in my book that read "no intelligent person would believe that Paul is dead". I've altered that line to what I really think; the people on this forum are more open minded and accepting of new ideas than any other I've been on. We may differ in our conclusion, but we both agree that something interesting was going on, so we start with he same premise but come to different conclusions. You've allowed me to express my ideas and that 's the quality of thinking intelligent people. The PID story is so big that utilizing different "clues" will render slightly different outcomes. For example, if one person believes that Pink Floyd were part of the conspiracy, then their lyrics get added to the equation. If you believe there was a Manson Family connection, then those facts get added in. If you don't believe that, then your conclusions will have used different information and evidence. It is all about which particular clues you think have validity and can be factored-in. That is the final deciding factor on what conclusions you will reach at the end - which clues you factor in to the equation.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 2, 2009 19:41:36 GMT -5
The podcast is also on my website www.beatlestherealsecretmessage.comWhile I'm here, I thought I would apologize to the members of this forum for anything I've said that was condescending. I had a line in my book that read "no intelligent person would believe that Paul is dead". I've altered that line to what I really think; the people on this forum are more open minded and accepting of new ideas than any other I've been on. We may differ in our conclusion, but we both agree that something interesting was going on, so we start with he same premise but come to different conclusions. You've allowed me to express my ideas and that 's the quality of thinking intelligent people. I think that I must use this opportunity to say that I think that the above is the best post you have made on this forum, and fair play for saying it. As long as you keep the same reasoning in mind all the way then, although we may all disagree, it will be well received!
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Post by JoJo on Mar 2, 2009 21:38:25 GMT -5
Hey Carman, thanks for that, you 'dig it'. Peace and Love.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 25, 2009 16:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by jarvitronics on Mar 26, 2009 10:41:38 GMT -5
When it comes to Utopian peace and love the one question I never hear asked is: "How do we get food?" So I ask: How do we get food in Utopia? -j
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Post by carman on Mar 26, 2009 11:28:19 GMT -5
I have an idea. Take our millions of acres of cancer causing chemical soaked suburban lawns, clean them up and grow organic food on them.
I realize this is not the subject of this forum, but I felt the need to answer the last comment. We have choices other the insane world we now accept and the Beatles tried to tell us the same thing.
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Post by B on Mar 26, 2009 16:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by carman on Mar 26, 2009 17:21:06 GMT -5
This is amazing and scary. I guess John was right when he said "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives"
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Post by jarvitronics on Mar 27, 2009 8:00:04 GMT -5
Who is going to grow this organic food? Who is going to plow, plant, weed, and harvest? Why will they do this? What will their motivation be? How will this food get to our tables?
What about clothing? Shelter? Roads? Hospitals? Who will dig the ditches and clean the toilets?
Who decides all of this?
Civilization requires leaders. Leaders create hierarchies. Hierarchy creates inequality. Inequality creates envy. Envy creates a desire for Utopia.
And in Utopia we all starve because there are no leaders.
Fuck.
-j
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Post by carman on Mar 27, 2009 8:36:29 GMT -5
Why can't we accomplish all this while making our love for each other the reason why we exist? Most of the war, crime and hatred is caused by greed for things we don't need to be happy. Greed reduces us to our lowest level where it becomes every man for himself.
No Utopia? Start with getting better.
By the way, it's not that hard to grow a small garden that provides healthy food for your family and neighbors. A little canning will carry you through the winter and nothing tastes better than the food you grow yourself.
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Post by B on Mar 27, 2009 9:24:33 GMT -5
Of course, now that chemtrailing is done on virtually a daily basis, raising the magnesium, barium, and other metals to toxic levels in the soil in some places, it is advisable to grow things in a green house to protect your plants from the toxic onslaught.
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Post by jarvitronics on Mar 27, 2009 9:34:39 GMT -5
Gardens are great. I love gardening. There is nothing more delicious than fresh ripe food that you grow yourself.
But nobody can realistically grow all of their own food.
Plus to grow a garden I need a tiller or plow. I need a hoe and a spade and gloves. I need jars and lids for canning. I need pots and pans, dishes and silverware. All of this has to come from somewhere. Who will do all the shit jobs of making these things for me?
People do shit jobs because they have to do them to get money to live. Bosses tell workers what to do and the workers can do the work or they can starve. The work gets done.
If everyone had the freedom to decide for themselves what to do and when to do it then civilization would fall to pieces in spite of our love for each other. Nobody would agree on what needed doing, how to prioritize the work, or who should do which jobs, so the shit jobs would not get done.
Back to the stone age.
We may bitch about our selfish asshole leaders, and I understand why we do it, but the fact is that these assholes have lead us through the greatest technological and economic expansion in human history, current economic woes notwithstanding.
The quality of life in our current Itopia, even for the so-called "poor," is unsurpassed compared to the quality of life of past generations.
-j
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Post by carman on Mar 27, 2009 11:07:46 GMT -5
How do you define quality of life? I define it according to how we treat and care about each other. It's not that we stop working, producing and conducting life's business, but are war, greed, crime, destruction and cruelty necessary for us to prosper?
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Post by jarvitronics on Mar 27, 2009 14:36:18 GMT -5
How do you define quality of life? I define it according to how we treat and care about each other. I will guess you already agree that individuals can choose to live like this without waiting for the rest of society. -j
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