Apollo Revisited

[jarvitronics]

Sixteen years ago I started a thread called "Pervert Video" on another board frequented by Apollo C. Vermouth:

This guy draws dirty pictures then keeps adding to them to turn them into clean pictures.

The video is germaine to what we are trying to accomplish here because it shows us how to look at things differently. (And it is pretty funny too.)



-j

The next day, Apollo posted in that thread:

THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN

Apollo

I sent him a private message, wherein I asked:

I do wish I knew how to interpret your meaning when you drop a post that says, in all caps, "THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN."

Does that mean, "keep digging in this spot!" Or does it mean, "you people are so blind I can't believe you are wasting your time on this topic!"

??

-j

Apollo replied to my PM thusly:

Jarv

In this case, as related to the "pervert" video, you have struck a chord...

...you have already tapped into the rabbit hole. There are two points of entry. You have chosen wisely. So, once again...there is nothing you can see that isn't shown. What did you see while you were there? Nothing that doesn't show.

Apollo

Given the sexual nature of the "Pervert Video", and Apollo saying that it had "...struck a chord," it may be worth noting that the name Paul means small, or little, therefore a "Paul death" may be interpreted as "a little death", or as the French say, La Petite Mort. (This interpretation has been pointed out elsewhere on this board).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort

-j

[ramone]

The inner Beatle band stuff might be a bit more complicated than this but
ACV seemed to stay with the theme that JPM wanted out.

So, if that desire was building up over time
I guess we could say La Petite Mort
would certainly be a 'release' in his case.
(esp considering the out front PID clues and the behind the scenes stuff leading to the pivotal '66)

It might be a bit of a stretch but maybe ACV was pointing to this in his own cryptic way. Who knows.

I don't recall any of ACV's posts saying directly Paul's death was an actual death -
but more in the vein that he was departed (but not gone).

I see the clues as clues of departure AND a safety net - in case any one caught on as to what was actually happening.

[cayetana]

Jul 17, 2023 11:44:51 GMT -5 ramone said:

The inner Beatle band stuff might be a bit more complicated than this but
ACV seemed to stay with the theme that JPM wanted out.

So, if that desire was building up over time
I guess we could say La Petite Mort
would certainly be a 'release' in his case.
(esp considering the out front PID clues and the behind the scenes stuff leading to the pivotal '66)

It might be a bit of a stretch but maybe ACV was pointing to this in his own cryptic way. Who knows.

I don't recall any of ACV's posts saying directly Paul's death was an actual death -
but more in the vein that he was departed (but not gone).

I see the clues as clues of departure AND a safety net - in case any one caught on as to what was actually happening.

“Needless to say there have been, and continue to be, flights of fancy that are beyond the beyond, and beyond. It serves to muddy the waters, but also to seek out those smart enough not to be fooled. As badly as everyone wants the “answer”, those that have found it walk away in disbelief. Seems the picture doesn’t quite fit the frame.” (ACV).

The “ those that have found it walk away in disbelief” bit has always bothered me. True, Apollo seemed to insist that the replacement was the alpha and omega of the mystery (I think there was an old post by Red Lion which stated precisely that) but if so, why would it provoke that strong a reaction? The replacement scenario is pretty shocking — yes, especially when you hear about it for the first time, but not THAT implausible. Most of the people on these forums know about the switch already, no matter what they believe (PID or simply retired), so why “walk away in disbelief”? Surely ACV was hinting at something more than the retirement/ replacement itself?

[jarvitronics]

I received my first-ever PM from Apollo in September of 2007 after making several posts in this thread:
invanddis.proboards.com/thread/1924/letters-acv
(The thread is worth a re-read if you've been there, and if you haven't been there, I recommend you take a look).

In that thread, I said:

Apollo C. Vermouth wrote:

Pardon the intrusion...

<snip>
Tara was never married, nor had he any children.


Sorry Apollo. The wife Tara never had is named Noreen MacSherry, and the children they didn't have are named Dorian Clifford Browne and Julian Dominick Browne, and they are inconveniently still with us.

www.thepeerage.com/p5790.htm

The next day, Apollo posted in that thread:

Pardon the intrusion...Look what the cat drug in! My, My, it has been a loooong time, hasn't it? I feels the need to answer some of me critics. Jarv, with all due respect, get your head out of your arse. Nice digs though, mate. Had it been actually based on some quip I supposedly made, I might consider some of your "findings" quite amusing. Being not the case, it comes across as rather thick and pointless. No offense, lad. You got the ball, and ran with it. C'mon, mate. Use that recipe and come up with something tasty. As for my comments regarding Tara, I stand solid. Take that brother, may it serve you well. Look back at EVERYTHING I wrote, and put the puzzle together. My mesages to both Lucy (Hi, luv) and RedLion were sent to those that took a modicum (don't start, Jarv) of interest in what was being said. My comments were not met with replies demanding "THE ANSWERS." They were keen to absorb what was given them, and then applied that to what they already knew. Might be a good game plan for the rest of you as well. Finally, I want to thank JoJo for the magic wand, much to most our your chagrin. BTW. Dylan was NOT replaced. Go figure.

Apollo

I replied, still in-thread:

Heh. I am rather surprised to hear you call me a critic of yours, Mister Vermouth. I tend to not take sides here, instead choosing to simply point out what I observe and leave the conclusions to others. You made a serious factual gaffe regarding Tara Browne, so I pointed it out.

Such a basic error is strange coming from one who claims to have inside information. (Which gaffe does not necessarily mean you are full of shit. Hell I forget my own age from time to time and I'm only, uhh, let's see, 45!)

Over a period of just just two days, I found and posted more "evidence" to support your ideas than what has been reported in the entire history of PID. I found more Paul is Gay clues than I have ever seen Paul is Dead clues, (and I've seen all the PID clues and all the PID stupidity as well.)

You have been dropping hints for years and nobody has run with your balls like I did. You should be thrilled, but apparently not.

Your game is boring. You have said that NOBODY (emphasis yours) will come forward to either confirm or deny, so what is the point of playing?

Later that day the PM arrived:

Jarv

My "game" is boring? Sorry you feel that way. Truth be told, this whole fucking mess is quite the bore as well. Remember one thing, lad. It was NOT I launched this ship of fools. For the longest time, I read this pap with much glee. What will these silly wankers come up with next? And, it never ceased to amaze. But lurking in the shadows, were those that wanted seriously to understand what had been said and done. Still, with the bright blare of "60IF" blinding the reality of the subject, I entered the fray. Almost from day one, I was met by ridicule. Imagine that. The very ones that fell hook, line and sinker, for a fabricated piece of shite, had the audacity to question my intent to bring them back to the "real" world. Save for a few, most went on with their blend of "myth-making" ignorance. So, you must understand, I feel a target on me back. I open up to few. I have a hard time understanding your intentions. Same as you having a hard time with mine. There are valid reasons I am not MORE forthcoming. I am not the one seeking answers. I have although supplied the questions.
Understand? One last thing, in the world scene that exist on this forum, most fail to see what happens to a person when one they love passes. There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not. Yet, back in the day, these types of relationships were not that uncommon. The Royal's took care of themselves. Always keen to stay out of the commoners mind thought. Tara was, in so many words, quite the playboy. And jolly got what he wanted. When trouble occurs, damage control becomes the story. Wife? Yeah, sorta. Kids? Well, this makes things a trifle more difficult. See above for clarification. We do as we're told, we believe what is told. Ask no questions, and sweep it under the rug. Still, his passing has had a profound effect on Paul. It is a scar that he shows now with pride. Nothing to hide, and no regrets. A better man from the experience. Let's leave it at that. If the story that surrounds this forum was as "cut and dried" as they would like it to be, then it would be time to turn off the lights and go home. Case solved! Nothing to see here, move along folks. He's dead, set you down father, rest you. Here's the dirty little secret, they haven't a clue. They have yet to scratch the surface. So, the comedy of errors continue. Much to my delight. I did not start this, and damn if I will finish it. I alluded where to look, how to look, and how to listen. If they ignore me, then so be it. I have nothing at stake. Nor, am I dead..................yet.

Apollo

I responded to his PM:

My friend Lucy has suggested that I should communicate with you further. She hopes you will reveal stuff to me.

When I first read your posts back in June, my BS filter kicked in. Then I read the post where you pointed folks to a web site containing an interpretation of "Sing a Song of Sixpence," and my opinion of you shifted dramatically. It became clear to me that you were a deep and thoughtful person. This is what prompted me to write you a poem, in the hope that perhaps you have the something for which I am searching.

With respect to my comment, "Your game is boring," I simply meant that if no one will ever confirm or deny then there isn't much point in playing. The truth is irrelevant when it comes to finding meaning in art, so unless the artist is willing to share his thoughts on a work, there is no definitive piecing together of any puzzle. I can make anything mean anything. Tell me the meaning you want me to find in a work of art, and I can find it. Then I can find the exact opposite meaning in the same work. It requires little effort. Art is all smoke and mirrors.

For example:

A walrus is a seal. THE walrus is Lewis Carroll's seal.

Carroll
Lewis
Seal

Carol Lucille, the Carol of Lucy, or the Song of Lucy, which is mentioned in Walrus. My mother's name is Carol Lucille and her mother is Alice. My father is John Le...., my youngest son is Maxwell Sterling [Sliver].

Now there is some fine art for you.

My friend Lucy's hopes aside, I have but one question for you, Mr. Vermouth. You made the allusion in your PM to me that you are in fact Paul McCartney. Why would you do that?

-j

His reply?

Jarv

No offense. I had not known of any "poem" directed at me. I will seek it out. Lucy and I have had great exchanges in the past. I look forward to continued conversations with her in the future, as well as yourself. You must admit, the "BS filter" must of gone off waaaaaay before I entered the fray. Some of the theories presented here go beyond the beyond. And, though my style of presentation may seem a tad "cryptic", I offered a more grounded look at the topic at hand. For that, I became somewhat of a pariah. Go figure. There is a REAL mystery. It was placed on purpose. But people will see what they wish, regardless of the true intent. The basis being, a parody of a satire involving a "band" that never existed. In a word...mimesis. Mythology and poetry. Past, present, and future.
Narration, imitation, or a collection of the two. An assimilation of himself to another, by use of voice and gesture is an imitation of the person whose character he assumes.
Think, Lewis Carroll. Edgar Allen Poe. Where does poetry stop, and narration begin? Some "art" is designed to be read, not by the artist, but by the onlooker. Where meaningless forms meaning. Never a chance to come to terms with the intent. Left to others to decypher. The "artist" hidden in the shadows to be amused at the attempt. Your deductions being quite true in the broad sense as well. But, only when allowed. In THIS case, what is meant to be seen, is clearly shown. On the surface, or in the depths of perception. To answer your last question....because I can.

Apollo

I will post more of my private conversation with Apollo in the coming days.

-j

[cayetana]

>>> Given the sexual nature of the "Pervert Video", and Apollo saying that it had "...struck a chord," it may be worth noting that the name Paul means small, or little, therefore a "Paul death" may be interpreted as "a little death", or as the French say, La Petite Mort. (This interpretation has been pointed out elsewhere on this board).

That’s a very interesting take on it, especially since, as Ramone mentioned above, ACV stressed that Paul didn’t literally die but rather wanted out, so he became “dead” to the industry. “A small death”.

Or maybe he just wanted to say that the concept of the Pepper cover has much in common with the ambiguous images shown in the video (“obscene” or not) in that both show a number of things but what (or how much of what is shown) you see is really up to you. Like in a classic example below, you either see an old woman’s or a young woman’s head (“Some see Paul, others Faul” — ACV), or maybe you see both — and they both ARE there. Anything you see you’re “meant” to see. “There’s nothing you can see that isn’t shown”.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguous_image

Like ACV said:

“The beauty of the album is in the details. If one was to see a catchy cover, and nothing else, that will be his lasting impression. If, on the other hand, one was to see a possible riddle to solve, he would venture to gain as much insight as possible to ferret an answer. Both see what is being shown, but differ in the conclusions. Nor, will either convince the other of what does or does not exist. Some see Paul, others "Faul." What a luverly conumdrum. If you seek a riddle, rest assured that one exists. If you are that "other" person, go home and put on the pot. Nothing gained, nothing lost.”

[ramone]

"There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not."

the man known as Paul

Wondered about that one for a long time.

[cayetana]

>>> I received my first-ever PM from Apollo in September of 2007 after making several posts in this thread:
invanddis.proboards.com/thread/1924/letters-acv
(The thread is worth a re-read if you've been there, and if you haven't been there, I recommend you take a look).

Started re-reading, all very interesting.

Right on the first page:

“ Many have actually hit the mark, but refused to accept the conclusions.”

ACV says basically the same in the quote I posted above:

“ As badly as everyone wants the “answer”, those that have found it walk away in disbelief. Seems the picture doesn’t quite fit the frame.”

Who are these “many”? What “answer” exactly have they “found”? What “conclusions”? Why “disbelief”? Apollo himself dismissed all those “Paul was an alien”/Don Knotts/ MI5 etc theories as rubbish, so what could possibly be THAT shocking/confusing/ overwhelming? Most people on these forums know about the replacement so is it something about the identity of that other “Paul”? Or do the clues go beyond JPM’s story? Maybe they were trying to tell us something else about what was happening to them? Maybe Paul’s fate, however important, was still just a symbol for something yet bigger/ deeper?

[jarvitronics]

Jul 20, 2023 13:42:02 GMT -5 cayetana said:

>>> I received my first-ever PM from Apollo in September of 2007 after making several posts in this thread:
invanddis.proboards.com/thread/1924/letters-acv
(The thread is worth a re-read if you've been there, and if you haven't been there, I recommend you take a look).

Started re-reading, all very interesting.

Right on the first page:

“ Many have actually hit the mark, but refused to accept the conclusions.”

ACV says basically the same in the quote I posted above:

“ As badly as everyone wants the “answer”, those that have found it walk away in disbelief. Seems the picture doesn’t quite fit the frame.”

Who are these “many”? What “answer” exactly have they “found”? What “conclusions”? Why “disbelief”? Apollo himself dismissed all those “Paul was an alien”/Don Knotts/ MI5 etc theories as rubbish, so what could possibly be THAT shocking/confusing/ overwhelming? Most people on these forums know about the replacement so is it something about the identity of that other “Paul”? Or do the clues go beyond JPM’s story? Maybe they were trying to tell us something else about what was happening to them? Maybe Paul’s fate, however important, was still just a symbol for something yet bigger/ deeper?

While you are over there reading you will encounter this:

O Plato! Chum! Lover!
Cool Earth Lou, MVP!
Co-lover hump a lot?

O clover moth Paul!
Loverpool hum act!
Covet plural homo?

O Ram! Luv! Cloth Poe!
Chloe ovum portal!
Love? Or hot cum pal?

It doesn't mean anything. It's just me goofing off writing verse where every line is an anagram of "Apollo C Vermouth". I wondered if anyone would notice...no one did. Lol.

I have the same questions as you, cayetana. Who are these many who have hit the mark but refused to accept the conclusions? Who has found "the answer" and walked away in disbelief?

Did anything really happen to Paul besides losing Tara? I'm probably in the minority here because I'm not convinced JPM was ever replaced. When I listen to She's Leaving Home I hear the same voice that I hear when I listen to Yesterday. I have always thought of Sgt. Pepper as being some kind of pictorial/wordplay puzzle with a definite solution, one that when found is unambiguous and hopefully humorous. Paul's "death" being but one piece of that puzzle. Of course, I could be wrong about that.

-j

[jarvitronics]

My earlier post on Jul 18 contains the only PMs I had with Apollo on this board. My conversation with him continued on a different board that we both frequented. He initiated over there by sending me this PM:

Pardon the intrusion... I have not been able to login at NIR, and was curious as to your response to my last PM. It's amazing the many forms one can make from playdough. There are many "layers" to what you are discussing. Start at the surface, and work backwards. Much redirection in subsequent releases ALL point you back to Pepper. Those mentioned hold special places. Key points of interest, if you will. Not saying that the whole of the "concept" I mentioned to you were red herrings. Blake admitted that some of the "myth" added to the "concept" led to dead-ends. But, still worth the trip.
A trip of a lifetime. Looking forward to future dialouge. Hope the feeling in mutual.

Apollo

I replied:

By saying work backward I assume you mean some or all of the cipher text we seek will be written in reverse? Frankly I would be surprised if it weren't. I expect to see more devilish trickery than that.

Based on the PMs that RedLion has shared with this intimate little cabal, you are either James Paul or you are a brilliant jerkoff. Not that it matters much to me because I have an affinity for intelligent people, and I am not qualified to be judgmental. You are the only person I have encountered who says consistently with words what I have come to understand intuitively: It's either all on Pepper or there isn't anything to see.

You say The Beatles' subsequent work points back to Pepper? Indeed! Beyond the obvious lyrical references (and a whole cartoon movie) are subtle things like MMT John with a heart on his hat sitting in a club watching a band.

Since you are unable to log in at NIR, here is my response to your last PM:

Because you can? Very slippery, old boy. I can say I am the Antichrist, but just because I can say it doesn't mean I am. Maybe.

Yes my BS filter first went off back in 1969, when I was just a kid. Then it went off again and again and again over at TKIN. I finally settled on NIR as the forum having the most speculative activity for the least amount of bullshit - though as you know there is a still a giant puddle of it here.

You are an enigma. Everything about your posture as the mysterious insider says bullshitter, (surely you must understand that). Yet your content reeks of deep thinking.

If what is meant to be seen is clearly shown, then perhaps you will share your thoughts on a few things that are clearly shown:

1) Albert Hall on the cover of Sgt Pepper, in the person of Max Miller, (who is shown separated from a boxer by a petty girl, just like what happens in that 1937 film that has two different names: Transatlantic Trouble, or Take It From Me, where Miller plays Albert Hall.)

2) Mary Magdalene having the ear of the R-A-O-B, who is veiled behind Temple Dors.

3) Biblical Genesis: The serpent near Snow White. The introduction of the apple. Cast out of the garden. (The entire cast of stars is out of the garden.) A pubic covering in the person of Richard Merkin. Babaji begat Lahiri, and Lahiri begat Yukteswar, and Yukteswar begat Yagananda. Then The Beatles follow up with Exodus in the form of a Mystery Tour. Then they put Numbers on the white album, and release Jude backed by Revolution, i.e. the last two books of the New Testament.

If this stuff is integral to the mystery then I guess I am off to a roaring start.

If this stuff is just me wanking off, then my point about being able to make anything mean anything stands true, because the imagery I listed above is awful damn loud.

-j

I also sent you a subsequent PM:

You once wrote:

Bill exists.

To this very day.

He finds this all very amusing.

He KNOWS he cannot be fingered.

There are many fingers used to make a human hand.

One hand...many fingers.

Bill is the hand.

If you consider a hand apart from the fingers, you are left with a palm. If a palm cannot be fingered, it remains forever just a palm.

Sort of like PaulM.

If Bill is the hand, or palm, then Bill is just a pseudonym, like Apollo or Ramon.

-j

Being the narcissist that I am, I will share some of my background with you, as it will help you in taking less for granted in your dealings with me.

I am not a lifelong Beatles fan in the sense of owning the released works, though I have always loved the music. How could I not? It was literally the soundtrack to my childhood. I knew all the words to Rubber Soul before I could read. The summer of love ushered me into my first year of school and we children were all singing Lucy. The next summer I got my first taste of death when my grandmother and uncle both died in the same week, and there was the refrain of Hey Jude...to make it better. The "white album" came out just days early enough to sing me Happy Birthday for my 7th. By the time I turned eight the Octopus's Garden was in bloom and then it was over.

As a teen in the seventies I was more interested in KISS, Aerosmith, and Ted Nugent. The only "Beatle" vinyl I owned was Speed of Sound.

I finally bought an Abbey Road CD five years ago, and I got Pepper a year ago. For some inexplicable reason I got interested in the "mystery" this past June and have now become a raving lunatic because of it heh.

So there you have it. When it comes to Beatles esoterica I am pretty green, though I do know some things, like the only time they came within fifty miles of me their plane engine burst into flames.

-j

Apollo replied:

Jarv
August 21, 1965. "Beatles and children first!" Reminds me of a joke I heard some years later. An engine went out during an airline flight. One passenger asked the bloke next to him, "I wonder how far we can get missing that engine?" The answer, "All the way to the crash site."
I'll be here all week! Try the veal.
One point I tried in vain to make, it is not important who I am, but who I am not. Leary once said, "This time around, you can be anyone you want." I like that. I am not supposed to be here, but this way I can. As far as my cryptic nature, I make no apologies. "If I don't promise you the answers, would you still go?" Everone wants the quick fix. Problem is, if all was revealed, there would still be the majority looking the other direction. I offer a better veiw. The mystery starts here. Take yourself back to the day you FIRST gazed upon the cover art of Sgt. Pepper. What did you see? Know that the visual concept was not mere happenstance. EVERYTHING was there for a reason. Forget the alternate shots using different poses. Those were never meant to be the finished project. What you SEE, is what is SHOWN. Who are those people? Why, given the fact that anybody could have been on the cover, were these particular people chosen? Everything needed to be as planned. Every picture tells a story. "A crowd of people stood and stared." I have detailed, to some, certain connections between several of our "crowd." Have you had the pleasure? Here's a little "clue" for you. The Pepper drum contains a message. I'm sure you have heard it mentioned ad nauseum. Much the same, the MMT drum offers a similar clue. Don't be fooled by what is written, but HOW it was written. You're gonna "love" this one. It follows my advice to go backwards. Just take it a step further. There's nothing you can sing that can't be sung.

Apollo

More to come...

-j

[cayetana]

>>>O Plato! Chum! Lover!
Cool Earth Lou, MVP!
Co-lover hump a lot?

O clover moth Paul!
Loverpool hum act!
Covet plural homo?

O Ram! Luv! Cloth Poe!
Chloe ovum portal!
Love? Or hot cum pal?

It doesn't mean anything. It's just me goofing off writing verse where every line is an anagram of "Apollo C Vermouth".


Haven’t got that far into the thread but: absolutely brilliant!! Totally enjoyed it

[cayetana]

>>> I'm probably in the minority here because I'm not convinced JPM was ever replaced. When I listen to She's Leaving Home I hear the same voice that I hear when I listen to Yesterday. I have always thought of Sgt. Pepper as being some kind of pictorial/wordplay puzzle with a definite solution, one that when found is unambiguous and hopefully humorous. Paul's "death" being but one piece of that puzzle. Of course, I could be wrong about that.

Thank you for this post. That’s very much how I feel about it.

When I say that most of us know about the replacement I don’t necessarily mean that I believe it myself but rather that it’s not the kind of revelation that would make anyone here “walk away in disbelief” or “refuse to accept the conclusions”.

I’m not sure if there ever was more than one JPM. I’m certainly open to different possibilities but I personally don’t see or hear any differences in either his voice or mannerisms. Maybe I fail to notice something other people easily see. I know ACV himself insisted on the replacement scenario but then, he also said we should learn how to look. Maybe that applies to his own message too (i.e. what he said about Tara’s wife and children), maybe a lot of what was being said wasn’t meant to be taken literally?

“ The story line? In all truth, about 65% of what is written is based on things that actually happened. The remainder, sheer fantasy. Now, to figure what is, and what isn't. It was agreed, BY ALL INVOLVED, that once the "story" is told, not to deviate from any previous statements”.

I too see Pepper as a puzzle with Paul’s story (whether it’s “death” or “doubles”) being just a part of a bigger picture, something that, as you said, has a clear unambiguous solution (“There’s nothing you can see that isn’t shown”). I don’t know if it’s humorous though, I’m sure it could be but I also feel it could have been their way of communicating something that made sense to them which they couldn’t for some reason talk about in a more straightforward manner (didn’t John Lennon say they were “sending postcards” about what was happening to them or something to that effect?). Something that would require us to think outside the box, dig deeper and eventually see the bigger picture.

Just like Apollo put it:

“Nobody was to step outside the dotted lines. The plan, to deny. Keeps things on a level playing ground. "Nope, never happened." But, what about this and that? "Sorry mate, never happened." Dig? The same went for those behind the curtain, as well. We cannot stop those that see beyond the illusion. Kinda falls in line with the game plan. I've stated that there are those things which I must keep close to me chest. If one was to discover these "things" without the help of those that remain silent, a greater truth is to be found. I have, with you, stepped outside and trampled the flowers in the dirt. Slowly, another story comes to light. This is YOUR story. The true story will never be told. It is to be discovered. And when you finally are at peace wth your discovery, expect none to "fess up" and authenticate. It is not in our plans.”

Whether the replacement literally took place or it was meant as some kind of metaphor or even a dead end, a read herring to divert attention , one thing I’m sure of is that the clues themselves are very real. It really struck me when I saw this for the first time:

“ You know, and I know, that there ARE clues to be found on Pepper. Just what those "clues" allude to, has not yet been figured out. But, when asked of John, George, or Ringo, there was always the "total rubbish" response. That is the story line. Deny! I have been accused of "jerking you all off" with my cryptic responses. Truth is, you've been jerked off from day one! THAT was part of the "story line." A little mystery for you to figure out.”

Because it was precisely how I felt about it. That was partly what convinced me that ACV’s posts weren’t to be ignored.

“ Just what those "clues" allude to, has not yet been figured out.”

Again, Apollo was adamant that the replacement was the alpha and omega of it (I’m again quoting the very interesting old post by Red Lion here) but surely he didn't imply that was what the clues alluded to?? and no one here had figured it out ?? (Because frankly those things had been discussed ad nauseum in the PID circles). Ok, Paul wanted out (with Tara’s demise being the last straw apparently) , agreed to be replaced but then came back — it sure is a fascinating story but is it really something they’d keep leaving numerous clues about for half a century?

“I came to show that the truth you seek has been before you all the time. I have demonstrated how to peel away the layers to expose an even greater understanding of the depths one must travel to get to the root of the paradigm.”

The root of the paradigm?

[jarvitronics]

Jul 21, 2023 9:59:56 GMT -5 cayetana said:

<snip>
I know ACV himself insisted on the replacement scenario but then, he also said we should learn how to look. Maybe that applies to his own message too (i.e. what he said about Tara’s wife and children), maybe a lot of what was being said wasn’t meant to be taken literally?

<snip>

Again, Apollo was adamant that the replacement was the alpha and omega of it <snip>

Funny thing, in all of Apollo's communication with me he never mentioned "the replacement" with respect to Paul. Rather, with me, he alluded to the replacement of an entire band.

In my "pervert video" post at the top of this thread I omitted the middle part of Apollo's PM to me because it wasn't germane to the "little death" interpretation. Here is that PM in its entirety:

Jarv

In this case, as related to the "pervert" video, you have struck a chord. It is believed by many that this whole debate is without merit. Didn't happen. Everybody go home. And in a warped sense, they are correct. Problem is, they have failed to see what was REALLY shown. Hidden in plain sight. The Pepper cover illusrates this very point. It tells a story, if you are inclined to look beyond the smiling faces. The man at the piano, another classic example. Not meant to open any secret knowlege, but a tutorial on HOW to look at what is being shown. Remember, Pepper is based on a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed. There were NO Beatles. At this point, in some sort of Twilight Zone manner, the band ceased, replaced by SPLHCB. The story, hidden in plain sight, tells the tale of two bands, actually. One that has come to a funeralistic ending, and another that will carry on. At least, that was the concept.
If you beieve that there is nothing to be gleaned from any additional research, as stated by example mentioned above, nothing will convince you otherwise. Case closed. By doing what you are doing, you have already tapped into the rabbit hole. There are two points of entry. You have chosen wisely. So, once again...there is nothing you can see that isn't shown. What did you see while you were there? Nothing that doesn't show.

Apollo

"...a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed." ??
"There were NO Beatles." ??
"...Twilight Zone..." ??

Very strange.

-j

P.S. With respect to the sexual "little death" interpretation, a rabbit hole was formerly known as a coney hole, which the British latched onto as slang for a specific lady part, as described here: www.etymonline.com/search?q=coney
Rabbit arose 14c. to mean the young of the species, but gradually pushed out the older word 19c., after British slang picked up coney as a punning synonym for cunny "cunt"...

Apollo mentions the rabbit hole and then immediately says, "There are two points of entry," perhaps alluding to "back door love". Diana Dors: moon doors. I'm not suggesting that this is all about sex, but the topic does sync with "All You Need Is Love".

[ekauqodielak]

Jul 21, 2023 17:25:17 GMT -5 jarvitronics said:

Remember, Pepper is based on a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed. There were NO Beatles.

The Beatles Never Existed

web.archive.org/web/20120628002030/http://thebeatlesneverexisted.com/

[jarvitronics]

My next interaction with Apollo came about two weeks after the PM where he asked me to have a look at the Magical Mystery Tour drum. Some of use were discussing the possibility that there was a cipher text hidden somewhere on Pepper. I had mentioned, in that thread, that perhaps the word LOVE was somehow involved. Apollo dropped a post in that thread:

Pardon the intrusion...Jarv, have you considered the last PM sent you?

Apollo

To which I replied, in-thread:

If you mean the PM about the MMT drum, then yes. I have stared at that thing forward and backward and upside down and with and without a mirror and I get nothing.

-j

Apollo then dropped another post in the thread:

Pardon the illusion...

One key point of interest. Note the spelling "style" on the word "LOVE". The "L" appears as a "P", the "O" can be seen a a lower case "A", the "V", although shaped as a "heart" (I wonder if it is lonely...) can also be seen as a "U", and the "E", in it's cut off manner appears as a "L". The back of Pepper makes use, through hand symbols, and the occasional button, the word "LOVE". What might you make of this? Love is all you need...

Apollo

After which I posted:

Oops. No wonder I didn't see anything new. I thought we were looking for something on the MMT drum we didn't already know about.

As for the Pepper back cover, it is quite a stretch to take those hand symbols as letters. I get George's "L," and I sort of get John's "V," but there is nothing about Ringo's jumbled mass of fingers that make an "E," and Paul has three buttons on his coat. So it's more like LoooV*

-j

Apollo then sent me this PM:

Jarv

Nothing new? The reason WE already know about this is because I was the one that pointed it out. Nobody got it then, and it seems to follow through today. To veiw in the abstract seems to be one of your strong points. Yet, you miss the obvious. Don't feel alone, though. What could be considered the spelling of "love" on the "reverse" of Pepper, as fragmented as you may find it, still holds a secret. Same as the MMT drum. EVERYTHING after Pepper, relates to Pepper. Our way of kicking the masses in the asses. The hints at POE and Carroll serves as a template, as well as the others that appear on Pepper. But, I guess that is old news as well.

ollopA

I didn't reply to that PM. A few days later I posted the "pervert video" and Apollo posted "THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN." So I sent him this PM (part of which I already posted at the top of this thread):

You are correct that I frequently miss the obvious. That's okay we have a group here to help with that problem.

Thanks for your contributions.

I do wish I knew how to interpret your meaning when you drop a post that says, in all caps, "THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN."

Does that mean, "keep digging in this spot!" Or does it mean, "you people are so blind I can't believe you are wasting your time on this topic!"

??

-j

He replied with this PM, which I have already posted but will include again here for continuity:

Jarv

In this case, as related to the "pervert" video, you have struck a chord. It is believed by many that this whole debate is without merit. Didn't happen. Everybody go home. And in a warped sense, they are correct. Problem is, they have failed to see what was REALLY shown. Hidden in plain sight. The Pepper cover illusrates this very point. It tells a story, if you are inclined to look beyond the smiling faces. The man at the piano, another classic example. Not meant to open any secret knowlege, but a tutorial on HOW to look at what is being shown. Remember, Pepper is based on a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed. There were NO Beatles. At this point, in some sort of Twilight Zone manner, the band ceased, replaced by SPLHCB. The story, hidden in plain sight, tells the tale of two bands, actually. One that has come to a funeralistic ending, and another that will carry on. At least, that was the concept.
If you beieve that there is nothing to be gleaned from any additional research, as stated by example mentioned above, nothing will convince you otherwise. Case closed. By doing what you are doing, you have already tapped into the rabbit hole. There are two points of entry. You have chosen wisely. So, once again...there is nothing you can see that isn't shown. What did you see while you were there? Nothing that doesn't show.

Apollo

I did not reply to this. A few weeks would pass before our next interaction. Stay tuned.

-j

[ekauqodielak]

Jul 22, 2023 7:11:33 GMT -5 jarvitronics said:

My next interaction with Apollo came about two weeks after the PM where he asked me to have a look at the Magical Mystery Tour drum. Some of use were discussing the possibility that there was a cipher text hidden somewhere on Pepper. I had mentioned, in that thread, that perhaps the word LOVE was somehow involved. Apollo dropped a post in that thread:

Pardon the intrusion...Jarv, have you considered the last PM sent you?

Apollo

To which I replied, in-thread:

If you mean the PM about the MMT drum, then yes. I have stared at that thing forward and backward and upside down and with and without a mirror and I get nothing.

-j

Apollo then dropped another post in the thread:

Pardon the illusion...

One key point of interest. Note the spelling "style" on the word "LOVE". The "L" appears as a "P", the "O" can be seen a a lower case "A", the "V", although shaped as a "heart" (I wonder if it is lonely...) can also be seen as a "U", and the "E", in it's cut off manner appears as a "L". The back of Pepper makes use, through hand symbols, and the occasional button, the word "LOVE". What might you make of this? Love is all you need...

Apollo

After which I posted:

Oops. No wonder I didn't see anything new. I thought we were looking for something on the MMT drum we didn't already know about.

As for the Pepper back cover, it is quite a stretch to take those hand symbols as letters. I get George's "L," and I sort of get John's "V," but there is nothing about Ringo's jumbled mass of fingers that make an "E," and Paul has three buttons on his coat. So it's more like LoooV*

-j

Apollo then sent me this PM:

Jarv

Nothing new? The reason WE already know about this is because I was the one that pointed it out. Nobody got it then, and it seems to follow through today. To veiw in the abstract seems to be one of your strong points. Yet, you miss the obvious. Don't feel alone, though. What could be considered the spelling of "love" on the "reverse" of Pepper, as fragmented as you may find it, still holds a secret. Same as the MMT drum. EVERYTHING after Pepper, relates to Pepper. Our way of kicking the masses in the asses. The hints at POE and Carroll serves as a template, as well as the others that appear on Pepper. But, I guess that is old news as well.

ollopA

I didn't reply to that PM. A few days later I posted the "pervert video" and Apollo posted "THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN." So I sent him this PM (part of which I already posted at the top of this thread):

You are correct that I frequently miss the obvious. That's okay we have a group here to help with that problem.

Thanks for your contributions.

I do wish I knew how to interpret your meaning when you drop a post that says, in all caps, "THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN."

Does that mean, "keep digging in this spot!" Or does it mean, "you people are so blind I can't believe you are wasting your time on this topic!"

??

-j

He replied with this PM, which I have already posted but will include again here for continuity:

Jarv

In this case, as related to the "pervert" video, you have struck a chord. It is believed by many that this whole debate is without merit. Didn't happen. Everybody go home. And in a warped sense, they are correct. Problem is, they have failed to see what was REALLY shown. Hidden in plain sight. The Pepper cover illusrates this very point. It tells a story, if you are inclined to look beyond the smiling faces. The man at the piano, another classic example. Not meant to open any secret knowlege, but a tutorial on HOW to look at what is being shown. Remember, Pepper is based on a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed. There were NO Beatles. At this point, in some sort of Twilight Zone manner, the band ceased, replaced by SPLHCB. The story, hidden in plain sight, tells the tale of two bands, actually. One that has come to a funeralistic ending, and another that will carry on. At least, that was the concept.
If you beieve that there is nothing to be gleaned from any additional research, as stated by example mentioned above, nothing will convince you otherwise. Case closed. By doing what you are doing, you have already tapped into the rabbit hole. There are two points of entry. You have chosen wisely. So, once again...there is nothing you can see that isn't shown. What did you see while you were there? Nothing that doesn't show.

Apollo

I did not reply to this. A few weeks would pass before our next interaction. Stay tuned.

-j

Thank you for sharing all of this. It's very interesting.

[cayetana]

>>> P.S. With respect to the sexual "little death" interpretation, a rabbit hole was formerly known as a coney hole, which the British latched onto as slang for a specific lady part, as described here: www.etymonline.com/search?q=coney
Rabbit arose 14c. to mean the young of the species, but gradually pushed out the older word 19c., after British slang picked up coney as a punning synonym for cunny "cunt"...

Apollo mentions the rabbit hole and then immediately says, "There are two points of entry," perhaps alluding to "back door love". Diana Dors: moon doors. I'm not suggesting that this is all about sex, but the topic does sync with "All You Need Is Love".

>>>

Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay?
I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident?

[cayetana]

>>> Funny thing, in all of Apollo's communication with me he never mentioned "the replacement" with respect to Paul. Rather, with me, he alluded to the replacement of an entire band.

>>>

Hmmm, interesting…
I looked up Red Lion’s message here pid.freeforums.net/thread/124/apollo-vermouth
and it says this:

“ You can find many of the PM's that I and others have had with ACV on various PID websites. To give you the RD version I'll throw out some bullet points of the ACV line of thought.

JPM willfully left at least the limelight portion of the Beatles, he did not die and was very much alive at least through 2007

Billy Shepherd was the "Genesis" of the replacements more heard than seen (he is not the current Sir Paul)

Pepper was a concept (parody) album endeavoring to convey the figurative "death" of JPM, it is the alpha/omega of this mystery

JPM returned in some capacity on the WA and Abbey Rd and stayed involved behind the scenes “

No mention of the band being replaced 🤷🏻‍♀️ Could it be that he gave different bits of information to different people, following the Pepper paradigm where every person and object tells its own story which is a piece of a bigger picture?

>>> Remember, Pepper is based on a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed. There were NO Beatles. At this point, in some sort of Twilight Zone manner, the band ceased, replaced by SPLHCB. The story, hidden in plain sight, tells the tale of two bands, actually. One that has come to a funeralistic ending, and another that will carry on. At least, that was the concept.

>>>

I distinctly remember reading this. I thought he meant it figuratively, implying that the mop tops were never “real” in the first place, such as when George said in an interview, “It was all Beatles until the Beatles just drove us crazy. … 1966 was when I sort of woke up out of my dream. [LSD] changed me a lot. And I went off to India.” I believe Derek Taylor even admitted once that the Pepper cover showed a grave, hence the sad looking “mop top” Beatles standing beside SPLHCB Beatles. The end of one band and the beginning of another, yes, but same 4 people (with the possible exception of Paul?), like the end of an illusion (mop tops , suits, adoring fans at live concerts) and the beginning of the true artists, something like that. Did he imply elsewhere that there were actually more than the original four Beatles (again, with the exception of Paul)?
Or was he hinting at “Paul is dead (replaced)” being just a decoy to divert attention away from the real story?..

[ramone]

Jul 23, 2023 13:12:43 GMT -5 cayetana said:

>>> P.S. With respect to the sexual "little death" interpretation, a rabbit hole was formerly known as a coney hole, which the British latched onto as slang for a specific lady part, as described here: www.etymonline.com/search?q=coney
Rabbit arose 14c. to mean the young of the species, but gradually pushed out the older word 19c., after British slang picked up coney as a punning synonym for cunny "cunt"...

Apollo mentions the rabbit hole and then immediately says, "There are two points of entry," perhaps alluding to "back door love". Diana Dors: moon doors. I'm not suggesting that this is all about sex, but the topic does sync with "All You Need Is Love".

>>>

Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay?
I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident?

Hard to say with ACV but being that the 2 events were about a year apart I would guess he was just referring to the emotional scar the blow left.

[jarvitronics]

Jul 23, 2023 13:12:43 GMT -5 cayetana said:

Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay?
I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident?

S-CAR:



Lol

-j

[jarvitronics]

On September 22, 2007 I made a series of posts on another board that Apollo frequented. In those posts I pointed out several interconnections between various songs. I have consolidated those posts here:

I don't have time to do justice to this - gotta run see a client and do work so I can eat - but this thread needs to be started...

See how they fly like Lucy in the sky
Kicking Edgar Allen Poe
Fixing a hole in the ocean

Please add to this. It's important work. Maybe even great work, but I don't know about humpfs like that.

And why does Glass Onion point to Fool and Walrus. Walrus obviously because it points back to Pepper, but what's in a Fool? Perhaps commentary about "talking perfectly loud" on Pepper, and yet nobody gets it?

"But nobody wants to hear him they can see that he's just a fool."

"I told you 'bout the fool on the hill. I tell you man he living there still."

-----

The Magical Mystery Tour is "waiting to take you away," while in Lucy in the Sky there are newspaper taxis "waiting to take you away."

The obvious newspaper taxi (take/see) on Sgt Pepper is ADITL. So an important question is, "Where does ADITL want to take us, and what does it want us to see?" It would, after all, love to turn us on.

Again from MMT: "Satisfaction Guaranteed." And from Mr. Kite, "A splendid time is guaranteed for all." The latter phrase is printed twice on the Pepper back cover - once in the lyrics and once in the cover credits, lower right.

From I Am The Walrus:
See how they fly like Lucy in the sky
Man you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allen POE

From Glass Onion:
I told you about Strawberry Fields
I told you about the walrus and me
Lady Madonna trying to make ends meet
I told you about the fool on the hill
Fixing a hole in the ocean

Both Lady Madonna and I Am the Walrus use the phrase "see how they run," so Lady Madonna points back to Walrus.

Anybody have any other points of interest? These are pretty concrete references, what about subtler ones?

-----

Fool on the Hill:
"Well on the way, head in a cloud..."

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds:
"Climb in the back with your head in the clouds..."

This makes two songs that point back to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds: Fool and Walrus.

-----

Lady Madonna is on the cover of Sgt Pepper. Here is Madonna and child.



On Sgt Pepper they are made of cloth to drive the point home that it is a parody of a religious reference. They are "of the cloth."

Glass Onion points to Walrus and Lady Madonna, and Lady Madonna is on the cover of Pepper, and the song Lady Madonna goes "see how they run" just like in Walrus, and Walrus names Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

Glass Onion points to Fool, and Fool uses the "head in a cloud" metaphor just like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

There is a tight-knit little set of references between Onion and Madonna and Walrus and Fool and MMT, and they all point to Pepper and Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

Over and over and over.

-j

Later that day, Apollo posted:

Pardon the illusion...The list does not stop there. This is how nature intended. It's a pleasure to be with those that are starting to "get it." Pepper is ground zero. Great work!!!

Apollo

About three weeks later, Apollo posted, in that same thread:

Pardon the illumination...

MMT is Pepper in a more "visual" form. It borrows from, and answers some. The cover design relates to Pepper in many visual clues. The concept was to take a journey. Visual points of interest discerned. Magicians noting the movements. Clues abound. They ALL point to Pepper. What if you wrote a book and nobody read it? I want to be a paperback writer...

Apollo

I didn't have any more private communications with Apollo until February 4th 2008, when I sent him this PM:

Apollo,

You have frequently said something on the order of "those involved MUST follow the story line," with emphasis on the MUST.

I am curious to know how wide that "MUST" net is cast, i.e. how many individuals are locked into the script to which you refer?

Are there metaphysical underpinnings at work here? (Your "birthdate" and other allusions you have made from time to time cast such shadows, so to speak, which is why I ask.)

Hope you are wintering well.

Peace.

-j

His response:

Jarv

Surprised to hear from you. Me? I'm doing quite well, despite the obvious.
The story line? In all truth, about 65% of what is written is based on things that actually happened. The remainder, sheer fantasy. Now, to figure what is, and what isn't. It was agreed, BY ALL INVOLVED, that once the "story" is told, not to deviate from any previous statements. You know, and I know, that there ARE clues to be found on Pepper. Just what those "clues" allude to, has not yet been figured out. But, when asked of John, George, or Ringo, there was always the "total rubbish" response. That is the story line. Deny! I have been accused of "jerking you all off" with my cryptic responses. Truth is, you've been jerked off from day one! THAT was part of the "story line." A little mystery for you to figure out.
When things began to turn a bit "beyond the beyond", I tried to get the loonies back on the right path.
The theories of CIA, KKK, UFO's, Paul in space, Don Knotts....fucking hell!!! I'M JERKING YOU OFF?? Keep it simple, follow the clues, have a spot of fun, That is the "story line" NOW. There is a method to my madness.

Apollo

I followed up with:

So the story line is "deny." I get that. What I don't get is, deny what? Deny that something strange went on circa '67? Deny that there are intentionally planted "clues" floating about?

How many people are involved in this game of denial?

And what is the point of the game? If it was just to have a bit of fun then that is OK, I guess, but it seems like a lot of effort for nothing. Is there a payoff of some kind? A punchline?

Please enlighten me.

-j

He came back to me with:

Once upon a time...C'mon, mate! What are you expecting to find? It was all a lark. A well crafted lark, if I may say so myself. Study the crowd on Pepper. What do YOU see. There is a story there. As simple, or as complicated as YOU wish. All depends on which rabbit hole you decide to slide down. This WAS the concept of the album that many found to have no concept at all. The music, as diverse
as it seemed, was truly secondary to what was being shown. And we all know...there's nothing you can see that isn't shown. Living is easy...with eyes closed. At the end of this rainbow, is just a colourful spot on the ground. It is not the destination, but the journey that is the prize. What is that worth to YOU?

Apollo

So I asked:

If the story is mine (or Joel's or Lucy's or whomever's) to choose, based on what I (we) see, then what makes the Sgt Pepper cover different from any other work of art?

Why worry about "keep[ing] the loonies on the path" if there is no predefined path?

-j

He answered:

Jarv

It's the journey!! All roads lead to Rome. Many directions, same destination. Ah, the loonies you ask? I'm sure you have read some of the theories put forth on this and many of the forums out there. Theories put forth as THRUTH. What started this was the introduction of the so called 60IF document. Pure total rubbish. What is even more bothersome, is the mind numb lemmings that latch on to it as if it were missing pages from the Dead Sea Scrolls. It was time for me to make an introduction. A lot of good that did me, but for others, they were able to see beyond the bullshit, and take it to another level. How nature had intended. Read RedLion's take on this. Apply what you read with what you see.

Apollo

My final question to him was:

If all roads lead to Rome, what makes Pepper different from any other work of art? Why is Pepper so special? Why Pepper? Why not Arnold Friberg?

-j

His final response to me was:

Jarv

Can't much speak for Arnold. Last I heard, he was selling Moses action figures at the Wailing Walmart. Doing quite well, I'm told. The beauty of the album is in the details. If one was to see a catchy cover, and nothing else, that will be his lasting impression. If, on the other hand, one was to see a possible riddle to solve, he would venture to gain as much insight as possible to ferret an answer. Both see what is being shown, but differ in the conclusions. Nor, will either convince the other of what does or does not exist. Some see Paul, others "Faul." What a luverly conumdrum. If you seek a riddle, rest assured that one exists. If you are that "other" person, go home and put on the pot. Nothing gained, nothing lost.

Apollo

This was the last time I ever heard from Apollo. The next month a person calling himself "Mike" logged in using Apollo's account to relay the sad news that Apollo was Neil Aspinall, and that he had died.

-j

[cayetana]

>>>

Hard to say with ACV but being that the 2 events were about a year apart I would guess he was just referring to the emotional scar the blow left.[/quote]


>>>


True, but both events involve Tara and the moped episode is full of interesting details. In Paul’s own words:

“ We were riding along on the mopeds. I was showing Tara the scenery. He was behind me, and it was an incredible full moon; it really was huge. I said something about the moon and he said 'yeah', and I suddenly had a freeze-frame image of myself at that angle to the ground when it's too late to pull back up again: I was still looking at the moon and then I looked at the ground, and it seemed to take a few minutes to think, 'Ah, too bad - I'm going to smack that pavement with my face!' Bang!

So I started to grow a moustache - a sort of Sancho Panza - mainly to cover where my lip had been sewn. It caught on with the guys in the group.

And then it became seen as a kind of revolutionary idea, that young men of our age definitely ought to grow a moustache! And it all fell in with the Sgt Pepper thing, because he had a droopy moustache.“

So there you have it: Tara, full moon (Diana [Dors]?), mustache, Sgt Pepper. Another interesting bit is that Paul says the accident happened on December 26 1965 but there was no full moon on that date…

Brian Epstein’s comment:

“I told him three times he should do something about it. Paul assured me that he would have the tooth capped, but - unfortunately - he has not done so.”

Could it be what ACV referenced when he said Paul wore his scar with pride?

Beacon had a very interesting take on it when he wrote this in his blog:

“ Could also the fact that Paul had the moped mystery photo at Cavendish Avenue and the fact that he made no attempt to hide the lip scar or cap the tooth for a good six months be because he wanted there to be a visual reminder of that night? So that every time a certain person looked at his face they would be transported back to that night and their actions?”

So could it be that Apollo wanted us to take a closer look at the moped accident?

[cayetana]

Jul 23, 2023 21:19:10 GMT -5 jarvitronics said:

Jul 23, 2023 13:12:43 GMT -5 cayetana said:

Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay?
I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident?

S-CAR:



Lol

-j

Haha, brilliant, that one!
Actually, it never occurred to me that it’s a reference to Lady Madonna (the Shirley doll in old lady’s lap) but it makes perfect sense.

[cayetana]

>>> Funny thing, in all of Apollo's communication with me he never mentioned "the replacement" with respect to Paul. Rather, with me, he alluded to the replacement of an entire band.>>>

When asked about the sounds heard in the beginning of Klaatu’s song Calling Occupants ACV said:

“Do you hear "anything" when you reverse the sounds?

"We quit, we quit."

A simple phrase. Nothing more, nothing less. But, when added to the puzzle, makes perfect sense.”

But who exactly are “we”? Should we take the “there were no Beatles” notion literally (i.e. John, Paul, George and Ringo were just characters played by different actors) or it simply alludes to the band ceasing to exist as “the four mop tops in suits”?

[jarvitronics]

Jul 24, 2023 5:02:35 GMT -5 cayetana said:

“We were riding along on the mopeds. I was showing Tara the scenery. He was behind me, and it was an incredible full moon; it really was huge.”

So there you have it: Tara, full moon (Diana [Dors]?), mustache, Sgt Pepper. Another interesting bit is that Paul says the accident happened on December 26 1965 but there was no full moon on that date…

Yet another Fab fable. The new moon was just four days prior, on December 22nd, so this is what the "incredible full moon" that "really was huge" would have looked like on December 26th:



www.yourdictionary.com/taradiddle

-j

[ramone]

Another oddity in Be att EL lore. (Help!)
YEAH, A full moon would have been two weeks prior.

What I can't find (yet) is whether the account above is from the Paul that actually took the spill
or Sir P just recounting it. (anthology?)
(I know SiR P has talked about it - just don't know if it's this account mentioned above )

And then he's sporting a mustache right after his spill?
The Rain vid is without.
Did he grow it in Jan '66 then shave it before Rain?
Then grow it for his Africa trip?

(oh, and if anyone thinks that's JPM in that Africa footage -
well, I think you'll believe just about anything. Just IMHO -
and not meant to offend but ya just might need medication, lol!)