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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 17, 2023 9:17:02 GMT -5
Sixteen years ago I started a thread called "Pervert Video" on another board frequented by Apollo C. Vermouth: The next day, Apollo posted in that thread: I sent him a private message, wherein I asked: Apollo replied to my PM thusly: Given the sexual nature of the "Pervert Video", and Apollo saying that it had "...struck a chord," it may be worth noting that the name Paul means small, or little, therefore a "Paul death" may be interpreted as "a little death", or as the French say, La Petite Mort. (This interpretation has been pointed out elsewhere on this board). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort-j
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Post by ramone on Jul 17, 2023 11:44:51 GMT -5
The inner Beatle band stuff might be a bit more complicated than this but ACV seemed to stay with the theme that JPM wanted out.
So, if that desire was building up over time I guess we could say La Petite Mort would certainly be a 'release' in his case. (esp considering the out front PID clues and the behind the scenes stuff leading to the pivotal '66)
It might be a bit of a stretch but maybe ACV was pointing to this in his own cryptic way. Who knows.
I don't recall any of ACV's posts saying directly Paul's death was an actual death - but more in the vein that he was departed (but not gone).
I see the clues as clues of departure AND a safety net - in case any one caught on as to what was actually happening.
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Post by cayetana on Jul 18, 2023 13:09:23 GMT -5
The inner Beatle band stuff might be a bit more complicated than this but ACV seemed to stay with the theme that JPM wanted out. So, if that desire was building up over time I guess we could say La Petite Mort would certainly be a 'release' in his case. (esp considering the out front PID clues and the behind the scenes stuff leading to the pivotal '66) It might be a bit of a stretch but maybe ACV was pointing to this in his own cryptic way. Who knows. I don't recall any of ACV's posts saying directly Paul's death was an actual death - but more in the vein that he was departed (but not gone). I see the clues as clues of departure AND a safety net - in case any one caught on as to what was actually happening. “Needless to say there have been, and continue to be, flights of fancy that are beyond the beyond, and beyond. It serves to muddy the waters, but also to seek out those smart enough not to be fooled. As badly as everyone wants the “answer”, those that have found it walk away in disbelief. Seems the picture doesn’t quite fit the frame.” (ACV). The “ those that have found it walk away in disbelief” bit has always bothered me. True, Apollo seemed to insist that the replacement was the alpha and omega of the mystery (I think there was an old post by Red Lion which stated precisely that) but if so, why would it provoke that strong a reaction? The replacement scenario is pretty shocking — yes, especially when you hear about it for the first time, but not THAT implausible. Most of the people on these forums know about the switch already, no matter what they believe (PID or simply retired), so why “walk away in disbelief”? Surely ACV was hinting at something more than the retirement/ replacement itself?
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 18, 2023 22:12:20 GMT -5
I received my first-ever PM from Apollo in September of 2007 after making several posts in this thread: invanddis.proboards.com/thread/1924/letters-acv(The thread is worth a re-read if you've been there, and if you haven't been there, I recommend you take a look). In that thread, I said: The next day, Apollo posted in that thread: I replied, still in-thread: Later that day the PM arrived: I responded to his PM: His reply? I will post more of my private conversation with Apollo in the coming days. -j
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Post by cayetana on Jul 19, 2023 13:59:21 GMT -5
>>> Given the sexual nature of the "Pervert Video", and Apollo saying that it had "...struck a chord," it may be worth noting that the name Paul means small, or little, therefore a "Paul death" may be interpreted as "a little death", or as the French say, La Petite Mort. (This interpretation has been pointed out elsewhere on this board). That’s a very interesting take on it, especially since, as Ramone mentioned above, ACV stressed that Paul didn’t literally die but rather wanted out, so he became “dead” to the industry. “A small death”. Or maybe he just wanted to say that the concept of the Pepper cover has much in common with the ambiguous images shown in the video (“obscene” or not) in that both show a number of things but what (or how much of what is shown) you see is really up to you. Like in a classic example below, you either see an old woman’s or a young woman’s head (“Some see Paul, others Faul” — ACV), or maybe you see both — and they both ARE there. Anything you see you’re “meant” to see. “There’s nothing you can see that isn’t shown”. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguous_imageLike ACV said: “The beauty of the album is in the details. If one was to see a catchy cover, and nothing else, that will be his lasting impression. If, on the other hand, one was to see a possible riddle to solve, he would venture to gain as much insight as possible to ferret an answer. Both see what is being shown, but differ in the conclusions. Nor, will either convince the other of what does or does not exist. Some see Paul, others "Faul." What a luverly conumdrum. If you seek a riddle, rest assured that one exists. If you are that "other" person, go home and put on the pot. Nothing gained, nothing lost.”
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Post by ramone on Jul 19, 2023 20:26:00 GMT -5
"There was a deep love between the man known as Paul, and Tara Browne. We assume they were "gay". They were not."
the man known as Paul
Wondered about that one for a long time.
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Post by cayetana on Jul 20, 2023 13:42:02 GMT -5
>>> I received my first-ever PM from Apollo in September of 2007 after making several posts in this thread: invanddis.proboards.com/thread/1924/letters-acv(The thread is worth a re-read if you've been there, and if you haven't been there, I recommend you take a look). Started re-reading, all very interesting. Right on the first page: “ Many have actually hit the mark, but refused to accept the conclusions.” ACV says basically the same in the quote I posted above: “ As badly as everyone wants the “answer”, those that have found it walk away in disbelief. Seems the picture doesn’t quite fit the frame.” Who are these “many”? What “answer” exactly have they “found”? What “conclusions”? Why “disbelief”? Apollo himself dismissed all those “Paul was an alien”/Don Knotts/ MI5 etc theories as rubbish, so what could possibly be THAT shocking/confusing/ overwhelming? Most people on these forums know about the replacement so is it something about the identity of that other “Paul”? Or do the clues go beyond JPM’s story? Maybe they were trying to tell us something else about what was happening to them? Maybe Paul’s fate, however important, was still just a symbol for something yet bigger/ deeper?
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 20, 2023 21:57:05 GMT -5
>>> I received my first-ever PM from Apollo in September of 2007 after making several posts in this thread: invanddis.proboards.com/thread/1924/letters-acv(The thread is worth a re-read if you've been there, and if you haven't been there, I recommend you take a look). Started re-reading, all very interesting. Right on the first page: “ Many have actually hit the mark, but refused to accept the conclusions.” ACV says basically the same in the quote I posted above: “ As badly as everyone wants the “answer”, those that have found it walk away in disbelief. Seems the picture doesn’t quite fit the frame.” Who are these “many”? What “answer” exactly have they “found”? What “conclusions”? Why “disbelief”? Apollo himself dismissed all those “Paul was an alien”/Don Knotts/ MI5 etc theories as rubbish, so what could possibly be THAT shocking/confusing/ overwhelming? Most people on these forums know about the replacement so is it something about the identity of that other “Paul”? Or do the clues go beyond JPM’s story? Maybe they were trying to tell us something else about what was happening to them? Maybe Paul’s fate, however important, was still just a symbol for something yet bigger/ deeper? While you are over there reading you will encounter this: It doesn't mean anything. It's just me goofing off writing verse where every line is an anagram of "Apollo C Vermouth". I wondered if anyone would notice...no one did. Lol. I have the same questions as you, cayetana. Who are these many who have hit the mark but refused to accept the conclusions? Who has found "the answer" and walked away in disbelief? Did anything really happen to Paul besides losing Tara? I'm probably in the minority here because I'm not convinced JPM was ever replaced. When I listen to She's Leaving Home I hear the same voice that I hear when I listen to Yesterday. I have always thought of Sgt. Pepper as being some kind of pictorial/wordplay puzzle with a definite solution, one that when found is unambiguous and hopefully humorous. Paul's "death" being but one piece of that puzzle. Of course, I could be wrong about that. -j
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 20, 2023 21:58:35 GMT -5
My earlier post on Jul 18 contains the only PMs I had with Apollo on this board. My conversation with him continued on a different board that we both frequented. He initiated over there by sending me this PM:
I replied:
Apollo replied:
More to come...
-j
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Post by cayetana on Jul 21, 2023 8:01:30 GMT -5
>>>O Plato! Chum! Lover! Cool Earth Lou, MVP! Co-lover hump a lot? O clover moth Paul! Loverpool hum act! Covet plural homo? O Ram! Luv! Cloth Poe! Chloe ovum portal! Love? Or hot cum pal? It doesn't mean anything. It's just me goofing off writing verse where every line is an anagram of "Apollo C Vermouth". Haven’t got that far into the thread but: absolutely brilliant!! Totally enjoyed it
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Post by cayetana on Jul 21, 2023 9:59:56 GMT -5
>>> I'm probably in the minority here because I'm not convinced JPM was ever replaced. When I listen to She's Leaving Home I hear the same voice that I hear when I listen to Yesterday. I have always thought of Sgt. Pepper as being some kind of pictorial/wordplay puzzle with a definite solution, one that when found is unambiguous and hopefully humorous. Paul's "death" being but one piece of that puzzle. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
Thank you for this post. That’s very much how I feel about it.
When I say that most of us know about the replacement I don’t necessarily mean that I believe it myself but rather that it’s not the kind of revelation that would make anyone here “walk away in disbelief” or “refuse to accept the conclusions”.
I’m not sure if there ever was more than one JPM. I’m certainly open to different possibilities but I personally don’t see or hear any differences in either his voice or mannerisms. Maybe I fail to notice something other people easily see. I know ACV himself insisted on the replacement scenario but then, he also said we should learn how to look. Maybe that applies to his own message too (i.e. what he said about Tara’s wife and children), maybe a lot of what was being said wasn’t meant to be taken literally?
“ The story line? In all truth, about 65% of what is written is based on things that actually happened. The remainder, sheer fantasy. Now, to figure what is, and what isn't. It was agreed, BY ALL INVOLVED, that once the "story" is told, not to deviate from any previous statements”.
I too see Pepper as a puzzle with Paul’s story (whether it’s “death” or “doubles”) being just a part of a bigger picture, something that, as you said, has a clear unambiguous solution (“There’s nothing you can see that isn’t shown”). I don’t know if it’s humorous though, I’m sure it could be but I also feel it could have been their way of communicating something that made sense to them which they couldn’t for some reason talk about in a more straightforward manner (didn’t John Lennon say they were “sending postcards” about what was happening to them or something to that effect?). Something that would require us to think outside the box, dig deeper and eventually see the bigger picture.
Just like Apollo put it:
“Nobody was to step outside the dotted lines. The plan, to deny. Keeps things on a level playing ground. "Nope, never happened." But, what about this and that? "Sorry mate, never happened." Dig? The same went for those behind the curtain, as well. We cannot stop those that see beyond the illusion. Kinda falls in line with the game plan. I've stated that there are those things which I must keep close to me chest. If one was to discover these "things" without the help of those that remain silent, a greater truth is to be found. I have, with you, stepped outside and trampled the flowers in the dirt. Slowly, another story comes to light. This is YOUR story. The true story will never be told. It is to be discovered. And when you finally are at peace wth your discovery, expect none to "fess up" and authenticate. It is not in our plans.”
Whether the replacement literally took place or it was meant as some kind of metaphor or even a dead end, a read herring to divert attention , one thing I’m sure of is that the clues themselves are very real. It really struck me when I saw this for the first time:
“ You know, and I know, that there ARE clues to be found on Pepper. Just what those "clues" allude to, has not yet been figured out. But, when asked of John, George, or Ringo, there was always the "total rubbish" response. That is the story line. Deny! I have been accused of "jerking you all off" with my cryptic responses. Truth is, you've been jerked off from day one! THAT was part of the "story line." A little mystery for you to figure out.”
Because it was precisely how I felt about it. That was partly what convinced me that ACV’s posts weren’t to be ignored.
“ Just what those "clues" allude to, has not yet been figured out.”
Again, Apollo was adamant that the replacement was the alpha and omega of it (I’m again quoting the very interesting old post by Red Lion here) but surely he didn't imply that was what the clues alluded to?? and no one here had figured it out ?? (Because frankly those things had been discussed ad nauseum in the PID circles). Ok, Paul wanted out (with Tara’s demise being the last straw apparently) , agreed to be replaced but then came back — it sure is a fascinating story but is it really something they’d keep leaving numerous clues about for half a century?
“I came to show that the truth you seek has been before you all the time. I have demonstrated how to peel away the layers to expose an even greater understanding of the depths one must travel to get to the root of the paradigm.”
The root of the paradigm?
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 21, 2023 17:25:17 GMT -5
<snip> I know ACV himself insisted on the replacement scenario but then, he also said we should learn how to look. Maybe that applies to his own message too (i.e. what he said about Tara’s wife and children), maybe a lot of what was being said wasn’t meant to be taken literally? <snip> Again, Apollo was adamant that the replacement was the alpha and omega of it <snip> Funny thing, in all of Apollo's communication with me he never mentioned "the replacement" with respect to Paul. Rather, with me, he alluded to the replacement of an entire band. In my "pervert video" post at the top of this thread I omitted the middle part of Apollo's PM to me because it wasn't germane to the "little death" interpretation. Here is that PM in its entirety: "...a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed." ?? "There were NO Beatles." ?? "...Twilight Zone..." ?? Very strange. -j P.S. With respect to the sexual "little death" interpretation, a rabbit hole was formerly known as a coney hole, which the British latched onto as slang for a specific lady part, as described here: www.etymonline.com/search?q=coneyRabbit arose 14c. to mean the young of the species, but gradually pushed out the older word 19c., after British slang picked up coney as a punning synonym for cunny "cunt"...
Apollo mentions the rabbit hole and then immediately says, "There are two points of entry," perhaps alluding to "back door love". Diana Dors: moon doors. I'm not suggesting that this is all about sex, but the topic does sync with "All You Need Is Love".
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jul 21, 2023 21:28:03 GMT -5
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 22, 2023 7:11:33 GMT -5
My next interaction with Apollo came about two weeks after the PM where he asked me to have a look at the Magical Mystery Tour drum. Some of use were discussing the possibility that there was a cipher text hidden somewhere on Pepper. I had mentioned, in that thread, that perhaps the word LOVE was somehow involved. Apollo dropped a post in that thread:
To which I replied, in-thread:
Apollo then dropped another post in the thread:
After which I posted:
Apollo then sent me this PM:
I didn't reply to that PM. A few days later I posted the "pervert video" and Apollo posted "THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN." So I sent him this PM (part of which I already posted at the top of this thread):
He replied with this PM, which I have already posted but will include again here for continuity:
I did not reply to this. A few weeks would pass before our next interaction. Stay tuned.
-j
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Post by ekauqodielak on Jul 22, 2023 13:31:45 GMT -5
My next interaction with Apollo came about two weeks after the PM where he asked me to have a look at the Magical Mystery Tour drum. Some of use were discussing the possibility that there was a cipher text hidden somewhere on Pepper. I had mentioned, in that thread, that perhaps the word LOVE was somehow involved. Apollo dropped a post in that thread: To which I replied, in-thread: Apollo then dropped another post in the thread: After which I posted: Apollo then sent me this PM: I didn't reply to that PM. A few days later I posted the "pervert video" and Apollo posted "THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SEE THAT ISN'T SHOWN." So I sent him this PM (part of which I already posted at the top of this thread): He replied with this PM, which I have already posted but will include again here for continuity: I did not reply to this. A few weeks would pass before our next interaction. Stay tuned. -j
Thank you for sharing all of this. It's very interesting.
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Post by cayetana on Jul 23, 2023 13:12:43 GMT -5
>>> P.S. With respect to the sexual "little death" interpretation, a rabbit hole was formerly known as a coney hole, which the British latched onto as slang for a specific lady part, as described here: www.etymonline.com/search?q=coneyRabbit arose 14c. to mean the young of the species, but gradually pushed out the older word 19c., after British slang picked up coney as a punning synonym for cunny "cunt"... Apollo mentions the rabbit hole and then immediately says, "There are two points of entry," perhaps alluding to "back door love". Diana Dors: moon doors. I'm not suggesting that this is all about sex, but the topic does sync with "All You Need Is Love". >>> Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay? I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident?
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Post by cayetana on Jul 23, 2023 13:42:45 GMT -5
>>> Funny thing, in all of Apollo's communication with me he never mentioned "the replacement" with respect to Paul. Rather, with me, he alluded to the replacement of an entire band. >>> Hmmm, interesting… I looked up Red Lion’s message here pid.freeforums.net/thread/124/apollo-vermouthand it says this: “ You can find many of the PM's that I and others have had with ACV on various PID websites. To give you the RD version I'll throw out some bullet points of the ACV line of thought. JPM willfully left at least the limelight portion of the Beatles, he did not die and was very much alive at least through 2007 Billy Shepherd was the "Genesis" of the replacements more heard than seen (he is not the current Sir Paul) Pepper was a concept (parody) album endeavoring to convey the figurative "death" of JPM, it is the alpha/omega of this mystery JPM returned in some capacity on the WA and Abbey Rd and stayed involved behind the scenes “ No mention of the band being replaced 🤷🏻♀️ Could it be that he gave different bits of information to different people, following the Pepper paradigm where every person and object tells its own story which is a piece of a bigger picture? >>> Remember, Pepper is based on a parody of a satire of a band that never REALLY existed. There were NO Beatles. At this point, in some sort of Twilight Zone manner, the band ceased, replaced by SPLHCB. The story, hidden in plain sight, tells the tale of two bands, actually. One that has come to a funeralistic ending, and another that will carry on. At least, that was the concept. >>> I distinctly remember reading this. I thought he meant it figuratively, implying that the mop tops were never “real” in the first place, such as when George said in an interview, “It was all Beatles until the Beatles just drove us crazy. … 1966 was when I sort of woke up out of my dream. [LSD] changed me a lot. And I went off to India.” I believe Derek Taylor even admitted once that the Pepper cover showed a grave, hence the sad looking “mop top” Beatles standing beside SPLHCB Beatles. The end of one band and the beginning of another, yes, but same 4 people (with the possible exception of Paul?), like the end of an illusion (mop tops , suits, adoring fans at live concerts) and the beginning of the true artists, something like that. Did he imply elsewhere that there were actually more than the original four Beatles (again, with the exception of Paul)? Or was he hinting at “Paul is dead (replaced)” being just a decoy to divert attention away from the real story?..
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Post by ramone on Jul 23, 2023 14:01:06 GMT -5
>>> P.S. With respect to the sexual "little death" interpretation, a rabbit hole was formerly known as a coney hole, which the British latched onto as slang for a specific lady part, as described here: www.etymonline.com/search?q=coneyRabbit arose 14c. to mean the young of the species, but gradually pushed out the older word 19c., after British slang picked up coney as a punning synonym for cunny "cunt"... Apollo mentions the rabbit hole and then immediately says, "There are two points of entry," perhaps alluding to "back door love". Diana Dors: moon doors. I'm not suggesting that this is all about sex, but the topic does sync with "All You Need Is Love". >>> Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay? I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident? Hard to say with ACV but being that the 2 events were about a year apart I would guess he was just referring to the emotional scar the blow left.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 23, 2023 21:19:10 GMT -5
Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay? I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident? S-CAR: Lol -j
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 23, 2023 21:22:21 GMT -5
On September 22, 2007 I made a series of posts on another board that Apollo frequented. In those posts I pointed out several interconnections between various songs. I have consolidated those posts here:
Later that day, Apollo posted:
About three weeks later, Apollo posted, in that same thread:
I didn't have any more private communications with Apollo until February 4th 2008, when I sent him this PM:
His response:
I followed up with:
He came back to me with:
So I asked:
He answered:
My final question to him was:
His final response to me was:
This was the last time I ever heard from Apollo. The next month a person calling himself "Mike" logged in using Apollo's account to relay the sad news that Apollo was Neil Aspinall, and that he had died.
-j
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Post by cayetana on Jul 24, 2023 5:02:35 GMT -5
>>>
Hard to say with ACV but being that the 2 events were about a year apart I would guess he was just referring to the emotional scar the blow left.[/quote]
>>>
True, but both events involve Tara and the moped episode is full of interesting details. In Paul’s own words:
“ We were riding along on the mopeds. I was showing Tara the scenery. He was behind me, and it was an incredible full moon; it really was huge. I said something about the moon and he said 'yeah', and I suddenly had a freeze-frame image of myself at that angle to the ground when it's too late to pull back up again: I was still looking at the moon and then I looked at the ground, and it seemed to take a few minutes to think, 'Ah, too bad - I'm going to smack that pavement with my face!' Bang!
So I started to grow a moustache - a sort of Sancho Panza - mainly to cover where my lip had been sewn. It caught on with the guys in the group.
And then it became seen as a kind of revolutionary idea, that young men of our age definitely ought to grow a moustache! And it all fell in with the Sgt Pepper thing, because he had a droopy moustache.“
So there you have it: Tara, full moon (Diana [Dors]?), mustache, Sgt Pepper. Another interesting bit is that Paul says the accident happened on December 26 1965 but there was no full moon on that date…
Brian Epstein’s comment:
“I told him three times he should do something about it. Paul assured me that he would have the tooth capped, but - unfortunately - he has not done so.”
Could it be what ACV referenced when he said Paul wore his scar with pride?
Beacon had a very interesting take on it when he wrote this in his blog:
“ Could also the fact that Paul had the moped mystery photo at Cavendish Avenue and the fact that he made no attempt to hide the lip scar or cap the tooth for a good six months be because he wanted there to be a visual reminder of that night? So that every time a certain person looked at his face they would be transported back to that night and their actions?”
So could it be that Apollo wanted us to take a closer look at the moped accident?
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Post by cayetana on Jul 24, 2023 5:07:00 GMT -5
Very interesting indeed, he did talk a lot about Paul and Tara and how Tara’s death left “a scar” on Paul and all that Apollo and Hyacinth stuff but I think he also said that even though their relationship was “a tad more than platonic” it wasn’t gay? I wonder if, when ACV mentioned the scar Paul wears “with pride” he was actually urging us to look into the moped accident? S-CAR: Lol -j Haha, brilliant, that one! Actually, it never occurred to me that it’s a reference to Lady Madonna (the Shirley doll in old lady’s lap) but it makes perfect sense.
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Post by cayetana on Jul 24, 2023 5:51:16 GMT -5
>>> Funny thing, in all of Apollo's communication with me he never mentioned "the replacement" with respect to Paul. Rather, with me, he alluded to the replacement of an entire band.>>>
When asked about the sounds heard in the beginning of Klaatu’s song Calling Occupants ACV said:
“Do you hear "anything" when you reverse the sounds?
"We quit, we quit."
A simple phrase. Nothing more, nothing less. But, when added to the puzzle, makes perfect sense.”
But who exactly are “we”? Should we take the “there were no Beatles” notion literally (i.e. John, Paul, George and Ringo were just characters played by different actors) or it simply alludes to the band ceasing to exist as “the four mop tops in suits”?
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 24, 2023 14:36:12 GMT -5
“We were riding along on the mopeds. I was showing Tara the scenery. He was behind me, and it was an incredible full moon; it really was huge.”So there you have it: Tara, full moon (Diana [Dors]?), mustache, Sgt Pepper. Another interesting bit is that Paul says the accident happened on December 26 1965 but there was no full moon on that date… Yet another Fab fable. The new moon was just four days prior, on December 22nd, so this is what the "incredible full moon" that "really was huge" would have looked like on December 26th: www.yourdictionary.com/taradiddle -j
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Post by ramone on Jul 24, 2023 15:20:21 GMT -5
Another oddity in Be att EL lore. (Help!) YEAH, A full moon would have been two weeks prior.
What I can't find (yet) is whether the account above is from the Paul that actually took the spill or Sir P just recounting it. (anthology?) (I know SiR P has talked about it - just don't know if it's this account mentioned above )
And then he's sporting a mustache right after his spill? The Rain vid is without. Did he grow it in Jan '66 then shave it before Rain? Then grow it for his Africa trip?
(oh, and if anyone thinks that's JPM in that Africa footage - well, I think you'll believe just about anything. Just IMHO - and not meant to offend but ya just might need medication, lol!)
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